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starlingslimnet:
You know brother I don't have time to be disputing with doctrinated Christains who only believe and teach what Pentecostal doctrines says without seeing what the Scripture really say.

Well that's what you believe only do not force your unscriptural belief on those who are weak in Faith.

I don't speak in tongues as you will call it (I mean shiroboborabomarae) Yet I pray to God and he answers without delay.

My advice to you bro is "Know what the will of the Lord is" and "Test everything and hold on to that which is Truth" . See you in the new heaven and earth.

God bless you for this.

MOUNTAIN OF FIRE NA FAKE CHURCH, GOD GO PURNISH ALL OF UNA

PROPHETmichael:
No sir, i never said "the more supernatural you are" but the more supernatural experience you will have. Having said that, PRAYING IN

TONGUES IS THE HIGHEST ALCHEMY! As you yield your tongue a few minutes each day to the Spirit of the living God, you will find yourself over

time undergoing a mighty transformation at the core level of your soul. Weakness will be displaced by strength, and whining by the spirit of

boldness. An interior upwafting will suck you into the vortex of a euphoric odyssey. And then you'll know the glory of tongues!

All these things are not necessary,
you don't need to be superspiritual
Just be yourself that's what God want.
if you are a sinner just be your sinner

PROPHETmichael:
No sir, i beg to differ with you. Stir up your gifts doesn't mean hold on to your faith.

It is written, "When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied." Acts 19:6;

Hence, the apostle had to remind them that the spirit of God is already inside of them and that they should stir it up by speaking in tongues

"Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of MY hands. 2 Timothy 1:6

no,
you are wrong.
ok, have you bothered to read the whole 2timothy 1 and summarize the chapter?
what is the summary of the whole chapter?
there is something Paul was trying to explain.
If you can get the summary of the chapter certainly you will understand verse 6.
the summary has nothing to do with tongues speaking.
i think this is the mistakes pastors are making.
all pastors.
it is fallacious.
By the way, do you know the meaning of fallacy?

PROPHETmichael:
TONGUES IS THE DOORWAY INTO THE SUPERNATURAL!

The more you pray in tongues, the more supernatural experiences you will have with God.

The less you pray in tongues, the less supernatural experiences you will have with God.

No praying in tongues means no supernatural experiences with God.

It's just that plain and simple.

And that is because God has ordained speaking in tongues to be the very thing that stirs up the power of the Holy Ghost that is within you.

As it is written in the epistles,"Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my

hands" (2 Timothy 1:6).

The power of the Spirit of God that is within you doesn't just automatically come into manifestation.

You have to do something to cause the power of the Holy Spirit to manifest itself in you and through you.

And the primary way you go about doing this is by praying in tongues.

That's how the apostle, Paul, became such a mighty miracle-worker.

It's because Paul spend a lot of time praying in tongues every day.

In fact, Paul spent so many hours praying in tongues each day that he ended up spending more time praying in tongues than any other Christian

in his social circle.

As Paul himself insisted, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all" (1 Corinthians 14:18).

And what of you, saint of the Most High?

How much time do you spend praying in tongues everyday?

op, you comit a serious fallacy here.
2 Timothy 1: 6 did not talk about tongue speaking. stir up your gift means hold on to your faith, not tongues speaking.
therefore, your statement, the more. you pray in tongues the more supernatural you are, is a big lie.
no place in the Bible mentioned anything like that

please you people should leave joke to pastors, na pastors get joke

i think God's reaction towards sinners is liberal.
Even the seemingly righteous christians are envious.
You don't mean it, after all the sin he commited, killing and robbing people, he till make heaven.
This is what they don't want to hear

Now that we are saved we do not have excuses anymore.
we cannot blame anybody for our failures,
we cannot blame juju, witchcraft, family house, etc.
we must take responsibility for everything that happen to us, be it bad or good.
no more church church and die by fire

But some people are saying we are saved by our good behavior and actions?
Your believe in Christ and some good works is required

paxonel:
imagin Jesus calling the Abraham the founder of Judaism a thief, why will the Jews not kill him?
Go to a mosque and call muhammed a thief let's see what will happen.
lol

it is also offensive hearing Muslims saying blasphemy things against Jesus, sometimes i feel like crushing them

Charlesdock:
thanks for reply after so long. I will have to stop arguing with you because u did not fully answer all my stated post. U said we shld not pray about all that let me ask you a question and i want a direct answer what is the essence of Ithess. 5:17.

ehh!
you still dey talk?
You know, your mate in America are developing technology by logical reasoning, they are flying to the moon for research, most of them are not even in the Christian religion.
Una dey Africa dey shout die by fire in this modern world where knowlege and understanding is the key,when Christ has empowered you to go to school,learn and take dominion ?
By the way, what is itess 5:17

paxonel:
imagin Jesus calling the Abraham the founder of Judaism a thief, why will the Jews not kill him?
Go to a mosque and call muhammed a thief let's see what will happen.
lol

ahahaaahaaaa!
lol

@op, now that we know that we are saved we should not be religious people anymore.
religion is the cause of all the trouble in the world. religion is a mess

Charlesdock:
. Then why pray since when u accept christ everything is settled. So the psamist prayers are invalid right u said earlier that christian cannot be posses, cannot be haunted by spiritual attacks then u are contradicting eph 6:12. We are wrestling against flesh and blood but against POWERS, against PRINCIPALITIES, against RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD, and SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES. U said what they shout die! Die! When praying have u ever heard mr **** die! No u only hear powers or evil stuffs. Someone said mfm's philosophy is contradictory. I just laugh because it not, remember John said test all spirits. Pray for the spirit of discernment. Altar call is essential.

Did you read my statement at all?
read first before you comment.
i say Ephesians 6:12 is figurative language and i gave the meaning of principalities and powers,rulers of darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness etc.
that all these things do not talk about spiritual things But they represent unrighteousness and falsehood in the world, just like God told Peter arise, kill unclean fowl things and eat in a dream, that statement was figurative. It represent, preach to gentiles that they should join Christianity and be saved.
Only educated people will understand this thing.
I notice that MFM is a church for illiterate people that's why they can't understand.
that's why they are so vulnerable to modern day deception.
By the way, what do you mean by God says test all spirit?
Do you test spirit by casting out demons from christians who are the holy spirit themselves just like Mfm is doing?
just because most people in mfm didn't go to school and they are suffering do not mean that they are possess with family problem o.
one day, you people will ignorantly attempt to cast out demons from God himself.
very soon, it will happen

Charlesdock:
brother/sister what abt 2corithian 10:4 and eph 6:12

2 Corinthians 10:4 did not refer to spiritual things talkless of deliverance in Christianity.
if you read down to 2 Corinthians 10:5
it says, Casting down IMAGINATIONS(imginations of our hearts, not spirits ) , and every high thing(thoughts of our hearts, not spirits ) that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ( in us );
This is the weapon of our warfare, to purify our hearts and live righteously, loving people, and not to fight spirits which do not exist in the first place.
If you read the whole chapter, you will understand what Paul was trying to say.
Ephesians 6:12, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers...
All these are figurative statements, in literature in English(because the bible uses literal terms a lot that require interpretations), figurative statements are representations of the actual meaning. You will see the interpretation of Ephesians 6:12 when you read
Ephesians 6:14 which says, Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with TRUTH , and having on the breastplate of RIGHTEOUSNESS ;
so we wrestle against principalities and powers by knowing the truth and doing righteousness. That means, the true meaning of principalities and powers or , rulers of high places there.do not refer to spiritual things ,rather it refers to falsehood and unrighteousness in the world (mostly the teaching among the jews that is against the teaching that Jesus is Christ).
I told you Christianity is the holy spirit of God which was confirmed at the day of pentecost with signs and wonders.
nobody in Christianity have evil spirit.
there is nothing like family foundation or spiritual attack. If there was anything like that the power of Christ in you has already neutralized it the day u were born into Christianity , perhaps not in MFM. you did not know.
Don't mind olukoya, he likes Yoruba spiritual tradition and african fictions,and he brought it into Christianity unknowingly, he is ignorant. millions of nigerians are now deceived.

ndcide:
I think we should remove sentiments and stop blind criticism. I may not be a member but i use their prayer points. Now below is a typical MFM prayer session. Kindly Point out what you think is wrong with any of these prayers. I'd like to Know. I will not take any blanket criticism backed with ignorance and emotions or shallow understanding of the word of God. Pls kindly point out what you think is wrong with any of these prayer points.

I'll be waiting.

Those who want to make these prayers, you got them for free now.

Scripture Reading: Psalm 2
1. Praise worship
2. Bring quality repentance unto the Lord
3. O Lord, I thank You for bringing me into this year 2011.
4. O Lord, I bless You for the plan you have for me in this year 2011.
5. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and raise victory voices for me this year, in the name of Jesus.
6. Let the sword of the God of Elijah arise against every occultic power and citadel of darkness assigned
against my life, in the name of Jesus.
7. I shall not die but live to declare the works of God in this season, in the name of Jesus.
8. My Father, redeem me from the powers of the sword in the tribulation of 2011, in the name of Jesus.
9. I receive protection from the strife of tongues, and the power of destruction programmed into this
year, in the name of Jesus.
10. Every beast of the earth assigned to torment me this year, die, in the name of Jesus.
11. My Father, release violent earthquake to destroy every satanic barrier hindering my progress, in
the name of Jesus.
12. Every satanic priest sustaining evil altar in this country, die, in the name of Jesus.
13. I decree that every occultic power troubling this nation will have darkness without divination, in the
name of Jesus.
14. I decree that the sun will go down on all satanic priests and prophets troubling this nation, in the
name of Jesus.
15. I decree that all evil men boasting with satanic powers will grope in the day like blind men in the
dark, in the name of Jesus.
16. We command the heavens not to respond to the voices of spiritualists and occultist on this
strategic day, in the name of Jesus.
17. I take charge of the heavenlies and I declare that it shall be well with me, in the name of Jesus.
18. Every obstacle that hinders my progress in cities and nations, I command them to wither, in the
name of Jesus.
19. Any power prolonging problems, suffering and bondage, die, in the name of Jesus.
20. Every priest of darkness monitoring my destiny, dry up, in the name of Jesus
21. Any power fueling my problems, dry up, in the name of Jesus
22. I break every witchcraft coven with a rod of iron, in the name of Jesus
23. Evil power house assigned against me, scatter, in the name of Jesus.
24. Resources of heaven, arise by fire, promote me, in the name of Jesus.
25. Every area of my life in need of divine restoration and replacement, receive it now, in the name of
Jesus.
26. By the resurrection power of the Lord Jesus Christ, I release myself from the grip of the spirit of
death and hell, in the name of Jesus
27. Every long-standing yoke, be broken by the power in the blood of Jesus.
28. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and let my enemies destroy themselves, in the name of Jesus.
29. Let the earthquake of deliverance be released to throw down every barrier to my moving forward,
in the name of Jesus.
30. Every circle of hardship and temptations, break, in the name of Jesus.
31. Every altar speaking strangeness and backwardness, catch fire, in the name of Jesus.
32. Let the judgement of heaven be written against all satanic kingdoms and his agents sponsoring
wickedness, in the name of Jesus.
33. Fresh glory, fresh power, fresh anointing, fresh favour, fall upon me, in the name of Jesus.

deliverance were not suppose to be conducted to christians in the first place as the bible assures that, the moment you believe in Jesus you are already filled with the holy spirit like that.
that means, it takes someone who is filled with holy spirit to believe that Jesus is Lord.
1 John 4:2 says Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Everybody who go to MfM and all churches have all confessed (agree ) that Jesus is lord, they all know it, they believe it
For the fact that they go to church alone shows that they believe .
Therefore, it is not possible for these people to be tormented with evil spirit or family problem. What they all need is education so that they will be imancipated from primitivity, diabolism and ignorance.
Do you see how this man called olukoya contradicts bible??
He made you people believe you have spiritual problem where as your problem is not spiritual, your problem is lark of quality education

fados4sure:
If there is one minister i respect as far as dis world is concerned is Dr. D K Olukoya the G O MFM. I am not a member but i can tell you that MFM is recomended for way of salvation, deliverance, purity & righteousness..

rubbish!
Olukoya is rubbish man.
i was a member before. The bible is far from his philosophy

wholexy009:
Its obvious most of you talking here know little or nothing about the church you are talking about cos I attend mfm and I will never wish my fellow man to die. Most of those prayer are directed at evil powers ‎​‎​@̤̥̣̈̊̇п̲̣̣̥d̶̲̥̅̊ principalities behind such situation cos our weapon are not canal and we also wrestle not against flesh and blood. Shikenna

how about the testimony that people died in accident and the church shouted hallelujah for what happened?
were these people that died evil powers?

kaytytty:
if truly dis is d way xtians criticize each other's church.then in what direction does xtianity and d bible really points

Paul rebuked churches for their improper conducts, remember?

frosbel:
They deserve to be deceived , many of them love it so.

I once attended a prayer vigil at a Deeperlife branch somewhere in the UK and it was upsetting to say the least.

My intention was to pray for revival, holiness, getting to know more about Jesus.

While there was some aspect that contained a trickle of these elements, the focus was on attacking our enemies that prevented our success.

After 2 hours I was worn out, my heart was not in it, never again did I go for such a meeting.

Our prayers MUST always be in line with the word of GOD.

Many Christians are paying the penalty for following MAN and not GOD.

God bless you for this

EvilBrain1:
I still remember the first time I set foot in an MFM church. It was way back in 1996 or '97, I was dragged to their headquarters in Akoka by my momsi who had heard about them from one of her born-again friends.

One woman gave a very funny testimony. She was in a bus traveling from Lagos to Ibadan when "the holy spirit" told her that the bus was going to have an accident. So she started praying: "Every spirit of motor accident, fall down and die!" From there, she started praying "machine-gun prayer": DIE! DIE!! DIE!!!. The other passengers soon started complaining that who is this person that is shouting "DIE, DIE" in a bus? They all ganged up on her and made her keep quiet.

The bus then had an accident and somersaulted several times. I'll never forget the woman's next words: "We had accident and notin happened to me. But all the people saying I should stop shouting Die, Die, they rushed them to mortuary. PRAAIISE THE LOOORD!!!"

The MFM crowd shouted hallelujah.

True story, I swear.

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ahahaahaaahaaaa!
you are right, that's true.
all the church members are evil people, they want people to die

tolusaliu:
Thank you very much. If am a fool because of Jesus Christ i think is better. But pls give your life to Jesus

Jesus Christ never asked christians to be fools. Infact, he even says be wise as serpent and harmless as dove.
proverb says wisdom is the principal thing, that we should acquire knowledge and understanding.
I understand you need to express yourself, but you are doing it at the detriment of Christianity and those non christians who wishes to join Christianity by believing in Jesus and be saved,thereby depriving people to enter God's kingdom.
After assessing you thoroughly,they will say, if this is what Christianity is turning people into, I'll rather stay in my old faith.
in your mind, you think you are doing the right thing, you don't know you are living in delusion.
meanwhile, Jesus and Paul's teachings in the bible is the most intelligent teachings that worth emulation.
You want to preach without understanding you are not even productive in the first place.
i think your problem is that, you need orientation, or you have deteriorated to some kind of mental disorder called schizophrenia. check the dictionary meaning.
Unfortunately, many Nigerian christians falls into this category especially the fanatically born again conversatives.
Jesus was never conservative, he was very liberal

tolusaliu:
Give your life to Jesus Christ today

You have a mental problem.
This is not what Paul did when he preached Christ.
you will soon get tired
fool

that's true,
the president ,local government chairmen, governors, senators etc were all one time ordinary citizens ,they will come back to become ordinary citizens at the end of their tenure.
if they were not thought rightly from childhood, especially the teachings from the mosque and churches, they will grow up to become corrupt people leading the nation.

Hildalicious:
You are not sharing the same faith with Nigerian christians or you are not their church member automatically you are a stranger.
There is this inherent fear that prevents them from fully interact and trust you.
the same thing goes to Muslims in the north
this explained why there is lark of trust between Muslims and christians

good observation

Empiree:
rubbish! Why then your pastors and other Christians here quote old testament?. truthman2012 quoted Leviticus to suggest that christianity forbids bestiality but the chapter is in Old testament which means Christianity does not forbids bestiality.

Don't mind them, they don't know.
few christians know about the religion they practice.

tola9ja:
THAT MEANS YOU PRACTICE JUDACHRIST ?

lol we have different believes, that is what makes us different

churches conditioned our mindset to restrict our love for God to doing the work of God inside church and to love only our church members, neglecting the people living around our residential areas , especially when they do not share the same faith with us.
some churches even sited the Scripture, do not be equally yoked with unbelievers.
This is why other people's welfare can never be our business

tola9ja:
PROVIDE EVIDENCE

DON'T LET YOUR PASTOR HERE THAT

AND AS FROM TODAY DON'T QUOTE FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT

old testament like other religions of the world have moral lessons.or the 10 commandments that christians should learn and emulate , that's why we do not totally discard old testament.
also, Christianity has it's origin and early history from Judaism

The bottomline is, it is love for fellow Nigerians we need most, than the love for our various religions

them for carry that snake go crime office now. him one thief phone?

By experience, it seems Nigeria is a nation of unteachable people. Both the south and the north.
Muslims are unleashing terror to poor citizens in the north.
In the south,the bible has everything thing to teach this nation right, but because our pastors are greedy people, all of them, they only teach nigerians the aspect of the bible they(nigerians) want to hear ,not the one God is trying to say. all because the majority of church members, 90% of the population, never had access to university education.
For instance, pastors in Nigeria are still quoting old testament to obtain tithes and enrich themselves, at the expense of poor church members , meanwhile Christianity started in the new testament, not old testament.
Pastors are still teaching nigerians to wait for rapture and not to remain on this earth and fight for their right and enjoy their lives but meanwhile,
Jesus says their Christian religion or faith is already the heaven on earth
As a result of this, Nigeria still remain in a state of educational backwardness, poverty remains the prayer mindset of most Nigerian christians.
meanwhile, in the UK, a nation that brought Christianity to Africa,the same religion, they have standard schools affordable for their average children. life is sweet, no rapture, no end time.
The question is, when are we going to open our eyes and stop all these religious non sense of too much churches and mosques, and lead a pure life?