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Alexk2:
no., i dont share that your view @ ol....altar call is very important to keep on inviting new pple to God's kingdom and to welcome backsliders back home....it also serve some other purposes like baptism of the Holy Spirit, anoiting sectn, healing and deliverance depending on what the purpose of the call is. In all, itz a very important part of church service.

I see u keep on going back to ur original view after pointing out what the bible tells us abt it...i wonder why you cant take the bible as it is.....do not forsake the assembly of others..'..church service is a very beneficial to out Chrisitian growth and musnt be excused for any reason whatsoever.. If the bible say so, take it from there...it is only an unbeliever that disagree with the bible and i want to hope you are not. Shalom!

jnrprof:
Bros, abeg na devil send you on errand? why try so hard to dissuade us from going to church? na by force? oya, we say we no go stop attending church because we know the value we get from it, so go knack head for wall

oyinkel:
I think the problem with Nigerians is our unwillingness to take responsibility, we are quick to look for external cause of our problem. If a lady cannot marry, it is a spiritual problem, if a man is unsuccessful it's home problem, should a student be performing poorly in school, there is something wrong with his foundation.
And you wonder why a nation so afflicted politically, economically, religiously even socially, could be said to have the happiest people on earth. We are ready to believe any vogue promise, that place no demand of responsibility on us. Sit at home fast for three days, and you will get a miracle job, take this anointing oil, and anoint yourself and your dream spouse will come to you, pay so much...(irrespective of how you came about it)....and you will enter into your season of financial abundance.
We like to be deceived and it does not matter if what you say come true, just reassure us and we will play the fool, over and again. Thus every key player in our nation who understood this fact, need only to play along, regardless of what office they occupy, religious or political. this therefore is the most product virtue anyone who desire to prosper should posses, " the grace to deceive"
Promise what you cannot make good, in the name of something or someone, whose existence you is only in the world of faith, or simply in times name, tomorrow, in year and very soon you have a bank account that is suffering from obesity, for fattness.
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Proximo73:
it is not everybody who go to church that have faith. some people are bench warmers, they are not Christian by their action, the are only Christian by mouth

Alexk2:
your answer is in a thread i created last yr..enjoy!
www.nairaland.com/2022448/knowing-jesus-vs-knowing-jesus

Anas09:
ICEFLOX. Go get a life. I see u dead. Dead men don't have reasoning faculties.

denisbid:
yes,op need Jesus

denisbid:
op, how can you say church members are not sick?
ok, how about family problem? spiritual problem? don't they need deliverance?
please don't come here to spoil market for people o

Alexk2:
the need to first seek out a church is for a new life in Christ(the healing part) but thereafter we need to continually renew our mind/spirit with th Word of God(both the spoken and written word) and the gathering of God's pple(the church) is the first point of call for that. To be set free and stop going to church is an easy way to Backslidden. When you remain with pple of like-minds, then iron shapen irons and spiritual growth is on course.

blantant lie bro...yes, there may be some fake pastors who are out for the sake of their belly but not all pls. Infact, the fake pastors exist because there are the original once.....btw., part of what our bible teaches us is giving(to the needy among us, ophans, widows, less priviledged and the likes) out of a cheerful heart as lead...nt compulsorily.

I'm talking about identity here, bro...we first identify with each other in our small gathering and take it from there elsewhere. This isnt abt the name of the church but abt the effect of the new life that is commonly found in us. I identify you as a Christian outside church only by the type of life your live.

In summary, it is more of a command to us as a christian in Heb 10:25.."..and not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
That is the bible settling that and to insist on your way is to question the authority of the bible....pls., note the part.."as is the manner of some.." it is not new for pple to find strange excuse.
I will like to end this by asking you if you even know Jesus personally...kbowing Him will settle most of your questions...shalom!

Proximo73:
they say africans used to be afraid of trees such that they worship trees and seek protection from trees during primitive days.
may be that is what they are still doing till now, they worship church instead of God.
they seek money protection from church

jnrprof:
OP, every true Christian understands that going to church is not for its economic value. If you don't go to church, that's fine but don't try to dissuade those of us who value its importance. I for one can't take for granted the role my church brethren played in my life during a difficult period. The words of encouragement, sermons and prayers really helped me to hold on and built up my faith. When my story changed and i shared my testimony, they rejoiced even more than me and. A friend in church even told me that my testimony had increased his own faith as he was waiting on God for his own miracle. Now that's one reason why church is important!

Papist:
Evening....i disagree & the Bible disagrees. You get the spiritual food (the Sacraments) in the House of God. Bless u

Alexk2:
I read your post and i cannot help it than to reply because i see that you misunderstood alot of things.
First, the law/commandments only make us aware of sin instead of keeping us from it. Hence, a pastor who centre his teachings/preaching on the law/comandments is doing a disservice in the long run. Consequently, siting @ home to read those laws wont help in any way.

Secondly, Jesus is the only solution to our deliverance from sin, worldly passion and the flesh....and it only takes you to completely surrender your life to Him and be born again/anew for you to be free indeed. Yes, church, religious, doctrines..e.t.c cannot save anybody in anyway...but you ask where is the position of the church then since all i've said is in the bible.

I define the church as the spiritual healing center for the Christians and the all those who requires true healing....and that is the real/actual healing any1 can get. Btw., you must know that the church is simply the gathering of the Christians. So, one reason why going to church is to have fellowship with my type of pple; pple who reason like me and who can influence me to be more like my Saviour. It is also for me to keep on grow and to help each other in this Christian race.

Hmmm....sadly and unfortunately, most churches arent living up to that purpose but there are still pple within who are still keeping the fire burning....

Jeromejnr:
Actually there is more to the bible than just following a set of rules and reading stories.

In a good church. You don't go to just hear a set of rules but to gain revelations that will give u faith and build it to be able to overcome life's challenges.

If u don't go to church how will u even hear ppls testimony to also give u faith to help u in a similar situation. That why God gave the ministry gifts of Pastors, teachers, apostles, prophets e.t.c. to help to build up the body of Christ.

We can't be wiser than God in this matter.

Note I said a good church o. Maybe that's why some ppl are tired of going to church.

Proximo73:
lol... you are funny

chosen124:
too many frustrated people in nairaland
the church is not the cause of your frustration
leave the church and pastors alone

jnrprof:
Read your Bible again.....its instructed that we should not neglect the fellowship of the brethren! So no matter how much you think you know, fellowshiping with other Christians is still very important.

Proximo73:
what if your pastor pays you monthly salary to work in church? wount you keep going?

Alexis86:
the truth is beyond religious sentiment, you don't know what the kingdom of God is, because the very pastors you seek to protect, didn't tell you what it is

Alexis86:
the truth is beyond religious sentiment, you don't know what the kingdom of God is, because the very pastors you seek to protect, didn't tell you what it is

Alexis86:
I was born and brought up a Christian.
let me ask you a question, what is the kingdom of God?

denisbid:
@iceflox,why. are you talking as if you are not African? we all see these things frequently, or don't you see them manifest in churches?

denisbid:
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witchcraft, sorcery, magic, they are all the same thing, they all exist

paxonel:
how about sorcery? do sorcery exist?
or can you distinguish between witchcraft, magic and sorcery?

musKeeto:
good day,
i just want to find out if any of this is scriptural, the Lord's prayer didnt make any reference to the workings of the enemy, did it?

tpia1:
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okeke00:
the mentality has brought more harm to africans. nigerians and to igbos especially.
They claimed to be christ like but hatered, gossips and wickedness is all what they posses. In igbo land, children are adviced not to collect anything from someone because he/she might initiate him into witchcraft. You hardly see families eating together nowdays. Even the new yam festival get together that use to bring villages to come and share love and eat together, churches have adviced their members not to partake in it. But should eat holy communion and take home the holy water from their so called pastor.
Am proud to be an agnostic atheist. Love matters alot in my life

Alexis86:
hmmm! thanks a lot,
you know, at a time i had considered quitting Christianity because i began to see no sense in religion. thank God there are people like you who had understanding of the religion, i am beginning to see the sense in Christianity. i always know that any religion or thoughts which is not geared towards intellectual development of it's adherents and consequently, towards the development of the nation,is not worth to be practiced.
you have proved to me that, the reason why athiests will remain athiests is because they are yet to hear the other side of Christianity because Nigerian Christians and pastors could not understand and explain.
it's obvious that, Nigerians in general are practising the Christianity blindly.
they turn it into a hunt for social and financial gratification
this conversation has greatly encouraged me to hold firmly to my christian faith, honestly, i intended to quit
thanks

paxonel:
you know,the fire on the ulter in the old covenant symbolizes worship and this fire was commanded that it should be burnt without quenching
Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.
this was a shadow of the true worship that is to come in the new convent
before the manifestion of the true worshipers who are Christians, Jesus, who the true worship is to be towards God came in the flesh and encountered a Samaritan woman, the woman told him in
John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
remember, the temple at Jerusalem was the place of worship for the Jews.
then Jesus told her in
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
meaning, mountain or temple building and all the ordinances in them are vanity,they will not be needed again to worship God when the time comes
and that time has come, that time is now
so, there is no justification for Christians going to church to worship God, church is a mere building,because the building and everything inside and all its ordinances are all vanity before God, they will collapse someday ,
But the building may be useful atleast to house belivers when they gather
gathering is important but it is not mandatory,anybody can choose not to gather, it's not by force.
when the disciples began to admire temple building this is what he told them
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
meaning, it will collapse one day, that implies, we don't need building and it ordinances to worship God
so, what does it mean to worship God in spirit and in truth?
it simply means to believe in Christ and to be in a state of grace.
by believing,, you are already an epitome of worship before God, when God looks at you he sees unquenchable fire burning.
God is everywhere at the same magnitude of his presence,,inside church, in your office, in your toilet, so there is no hiding place.
every micro seconds of our lives is worship, we don't have any worship time
nothing like sabath day
nothing like Sunday Sunday church church
all days are equal before God.
Nigerians know this truth, But it baffles me the way they have become religious people, church this, church that.
they don't have any thing to show for it but corruption.
obviously, God is not happy with such religious nations