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budaatum:
Because its such a complex lesson that it had to be taught in 3 different ways so you get it.

[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+14%3A34-35&version=NIV]See the verse that precedes those parables[/url].

So what did you get from the 3parables?

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



Are you really so stupid, that you missed the fact that there are four different messages in the three Parable?




. LUKE 15:11-32.

11. And he Said,

"A certain man
had two sons:
12. And the younger of them
said to his father,

'FATHER, GIVE ME
THE PORTION OF GOODS
THAT FALLETH TO ME.'

"And he divided unto them
his living.
13. "And not many days
after the younger son
gathered all together,
and took his journey
into a far country,
and there wasted his substance
with riotous living.
14. "And when he
had spent all,
there arose a mighty famine
in that land;
and he began to be in want.
15. "And he went
and joined himself to
a citizen of that country;
and he sent him
into his fields
to feed swine.
16. "And he would fain
have filled his belly
with the husks
that the swine did eat:
and no man gave unto him.
17. "And when he
came to himself,
he said,

'HOW MANY
HIRED SERVANTS
OF MY FATHER'S
HAVE BREAD ENOUGH
AND TO SPARE,
AND I PERISH
WITH HUNGER!
18. 'I WILL ARISE
AND GO TO MY FATHER,
AND WILL SAY UNTO HIM,

"FATHER,
I HAVE SINNED
AGAINST HEAVEN,
AND BEFORE THEE,
19. ' "AND AM NO MORE
WORTHY TO BE CALLED
THY SON:
MAKE ME AS ONE OF
THY HIRED SERVANTS." '

20. "And he arose,
and came to his father.
But when he was yet
a great way off,
his father saw him,
and had compassion,
and ran,
and fell on his neck,
and kissed him.
21. "And the son
said unto him,

'FATHER, I HAVE SINNED
AGAINST HEAVEN,
AND IN THY SIGHT,
AND AM NO MORE WORTHY
TO BE CALLED THY SON.'

22. "But the father said
to his servants,

'BRING FORTH
THE BEST ROBE,
AND PUT IT ON HIM;
AND PUT A RING
ON HIS HAND,
AND SHOES
ON HIS FEET:
23. 'AND BRING HITHER
THE FATTED CALF,
AND KILL IT,
AND LET US EAT,
AND BE MERRY:
24. 'FOR THIS
MY SON WAS DEAD,
AND IS ALIVE AGAIN;
HE WAS LOST,
AND IS FOUND.'

"And they began to be merry.
25. "Now his elder son
was in the field:
and as he came
and drew nigh to the house,
he heard musick and dancing.
26. "And he called
one of the servants,
and asked what
these things meant.
27. "And he said unto him,

'THY BROTHER IS COME;
AND THY FATHER HATH
KILLED THE FATTED CALF,
BECAUSE HE HATH
RECEIVED HIM
SAFE AND SOUND.'

28. "And he was angry,
and would not go in:
therefore came
his father out,
and intreated him.
29. "And he answering
said to his father,

'LO, THESE MANY YEARS
DO I SERVE THEE,
NEITHER TRANSGRESSED
I AT ANY TIME
THY COMMANDMENT:
AND YET THOU NEVER
GAVEST ME A KID,
THAT I MIGHT MAKE MERRY
WITH MY FRIENDS:
30. 'BUT AS SOON AS THIS THY SON WAS COME,
WHICH HATH DEVOURED THY LIVING WITH HARLOTS,
THOU HAST KILLED FOR HIM THE FATTED CALF.'

31. "And he said unto him,

'SON,
THOU ART EVER WITH ME,
AND ALL THAT I HAVE
IS THINE.
32. 'IT WAS MEET
THAT WE SHOULD
MAKE MERRY,
AND BE GLAD:
FOR THIS THY BROTHER
WAS DEAD,
AND IS ALIVE AGAIN;
AND WAS LOST,
AND IS FOUND.' "

Dude the OP weren't meant for Pigs but Sheep.
So stick to your species.

The lost sheep,the lost coin and the lost son.why three parables? Isn't one adequate?

The lost sheep,the lost coin and the lost son.why three parables and not one?

MuttleyLaff:
Just as I previously asked missjo, where in the text did you read that God killed an animal to provide raw material to make coats of skins covering, hmmm? Or that is what you learned isnt it. Right?

I laughed when kkins25 counter asked with "where in the bible did it say that God did not use animal hide?" After they lost their cloth of righteousness, the skin we currently have is what God made in Genesis 3:21 to clothe and cover them up with

Of course, you would know, I'll pull you up on this. You cant just make a passing "LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD" comment just like that, without being ready and prepared to, in details, explain what "LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD" means. Even tell why and how this can be.

I am sorry, I dont see the connection and/or relevance of Galatains 3:20 to any of this.
Also how is "the offender is also God" sic

Verse 20 explains: "But a mediator is not a mediator for one." Have you ever been an intermediary or a go-between? An intermediary acts on behalf of two parties. Why does the law have a mediator? It is because with the law there is the side of God and the side of man. Man has to do certain things for God before God will do certain things for man. When parties A and B draft a contract, the contract states what A must do and what B will do in return and vice versa. A mediator will then serve as a witness between the two parties. The law states what God's responsibility to man is and what man's responsibility to God is. If either side fails, the whole matter falls through.
What follows in verse 20 is wonderful: "But God is one." But God is one! The law implies two sides. If either side has problems, the whole matter falls through. In giving the law, God said that we should do this and that we should do that. If we fail to do them, the whole matter will fall through. But in making the promise, "God is one," regardless of how we are. In promise and in grace, there is no mention of our side, only of God's side. As long as there is no problem on God's side, there will be no problem at all.The question is not how we are. In the promise of Grace,there is nothing that involves us, nothing that depends on how we are.theres only ONE SIDE to the promise if Grace that God gave Abraham and that's Gods side.if there's a mediator He's God and if there's man side,the man is also God.
For God is One.
So Christ must be God in regard Redemption.

MuttleyLaff:
Just as I previously asked missjo, where in the text did you read that God killed an animal to provide raw material to make coats of skins covering, hmmm? Or that is what you learned isnt it. Right?

I laughed when kkins25 counter asked with "where in the bible did it say that God did not use animal hide?" After they lost their cloth of righteousness, the skin we currently have is what God made in Genesis 3:21 to clothe and cover them up with

Of course, you would know, I'll pull you up on this. You cant just make a paasing "LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD" comment just like, without ready and prepared to in details explain what "LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD" means. Even tell why and how this can be.

I am sorry, I dont see the connection and/or relevance of Galatains 3:20 to any of this.
Also how is "the offender is also God" sic

Lol
Bro
Have to go now
Will detail Galatains 3:20 later today hopefully

MuttleyLaff:
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Happy Birthday ichuka!
I pray you have a phenomenal time today.
I also pray you henceforth get all your bread and all the crumbs too.
In fact, 3 John 1:2, "Beloved, I pray you, to prosper concerning all things and to be in good health, just as your soul prospers."

Thanks bro lol.

To answer your question I will jus add to what missjo has said.she spoke about the covering of sin by animal skin in Genesis by God.but let's look at the offense itself.

God’s works issue from God’s throne, God’s throne is established upon authority. All things have been created by the authority of God, and all laws on earth are held together through authority. Hence, the Bible says that God upholds all things by the word, which is of His authority (Heb. 1:3b). It does not say that God upholds all things by His power. God’s authority represents God Himself; God’s power only represents God’s works. It is easy to be forgiven of sin against God’s power, but it is not that easy to be forgiven of sin against God’s authority, because sinning against God’s authority is sinning against God Himself. Sinning/offense against your brother you might be forgiven easily.but an offense against the Queen/Prime minister of London might result to one losing his life.and the bible says that LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD.Leviticus 17:14
Sin against God is a sin against all and what He stands for.and God said that the price for sin against Him is death.

Regarding why Jesus is both God and Man?
I thought I explain that earlier.but let's look at Galatains3:20 DEEPLY.' Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.!!
That's the Mediator,God and man ARE ONE!!
He that's offended is God,if there's a mediator He is God and the offender is also God.
GOD IS ONE!

MuttleyLaff:
I added a number 3

Na jollification be dat hin dey then

Hi bro
Pls let's do these tommorow not today oo,
Still very busy
My bday is even today so most likely I won't be on till tommorow

MuttleyLaff:
Nobi fight ooo nau, abeg.

He' sound like an eckist

BetterChurch:
mmmHhhh Are you?

Lol

MuttleyLaff:
"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge,
and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none
(i.e. I looked for someone who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land.
I searched for someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn’t have to destroy the land, but I found no one.)/i]"
- Ezekiel 22:30

"[i]He saw that there was no man—He was amazed that there was no one—to intercede;
so His own arm brought salvation, and His own righteousness sustained Him."
- Isaiah 59:16

"I was amazed to see that no one intervened to help the oppressed.
So I myself stepped in to save them with my strong arm, and my wrath sustained me
(i.e. I looked, but there was no one to help; I was shocked because there was no one offering support.
So my right arm accomplished deliverance or achieved salvation for me, my raging anger drove me on)"
- Isaiah 63:5

ichuka, you must have quite a lot of times, heard the saying that "If you want something done right, do it yourself", well none, nobody, no angel out of the whole angelic hosts of heaven, nor no man out of the whole world wide, offered to accept the challenge to help man get returned back to man's original status before the fall, so God resorted to DIY

ichuka, you know that Christ, means Saviour, right?. So if you do, how then do suppose God will be able to pull this off this God's redemptive work, if Christ isnt God and man, hmm? Give this some thought ichuka

missjojo/Ihedinobi3, why is blood, at all, necessary in the redemptive work? I think I need to clear the cobwebs in that question and re-ask it all over again.

1/ Without bringing into the equation, animal blood sacrifices temporarily covering up sin, why is blood, at all, necesaary in the redemptive work?
2/ How did God successfully go about the redemptive work for man with the blood of Jesus Christ?

Hi bro
Will come back to these later.
Busy now
Thanks

BetterChurch:
This is the basis of Christianity. But redemption spiritually speaking is Spiritual Freedom which is liberation from Karma and Reincarnation possible only via the Sound Current.

Hmmm,are you a Christain?

Why, in God’s plan of redemption, must Christ be both God and man at the same time?


Suppose there are three persons: missjo,respect80 and ,1stoprudeness.1stoprudeness has sinned, and missjo asks respect80 to die for 1stoprudeness.This would show that missjo has love toward 1stoprudeness and that 1stoprudeness has answered the requirements of the law. however, this is rather unjust to respect80. I sinned, and God caused Christ to die for me. Although this shows God’s love and although I meet the requirements of the law, this is rather unjust to Christ. Only when Christ is both God and man is this just.

First, we need to know what forgiveness is. Forgiveness means that the one who forgives takes the loss upon himself. It means that the forgiver is suffering the loss of the forgiven one. The loss is on the side of the one who forgives. For instance, if someone owes you N100 and you forgive him, we can say that you bore the loss since you suffered the loss of N100.

In God’s plan of redemption, Christ should not be a third party. If Christ is a third party, then God is unrighteous toward Him because He has no sin and does not deserve to die. The Bible tells us that man has sinned and that God is the One whom man has sinned against. The relationship here is a two-party relationship between God and man. Asking a third party to die in a substitutionary way may, perhaps, satisfy God’s righteousness, and it may meet the law’s demand on man, but this is rather unrighteous for the third party. It is righteous only because Christ is both God and man.
In order for Christ to not be a third party, He must be God since He Himself is the One being offended. The work of propitiation for sins is righteous only because Christ is God. Conversely, since the work of propitiation for sins is righteous, Christ must be God because only the one who is offended can forgive the one who offends. Who can say forgiveness is unrighteous? Christ is God; He is the offended One and, therefore, He can forgive men.

Romans 7:10 says, “And the commandment, which was unto life, this very commandment was found to me to be unto death.” Romans 6:23 says, “For the wages of sin is death.” These verses show us that a person has to fully keep the law in order to live; otherwise he must die. In order for the Lord to make us live, He had to suffer the penalty of sin; He had to die. However, 1 Timothy 6:16 says that God alone has immortality. Therefore, Christ must also be a man in order to die for us. He had to take a body upon Himself so that He could die for us. He is God; this makes His salvation of men righteous. He is a man; this makes His salvation of men possible.

respect80:
It is to showcase the possibility of living a sinless life as humans.

Hmmmm
You are right bro
Sinless life is possible.

1StopRudeness:
Man sinned, the wages of sin is eternal death,
A sacrifice in needed to save man from eternal death, a human sacrifice , but it can’t be one with blemish or sin...like all of us...
There is no man holy except Divinity himself..divinity had to synergize with humanity to creat the holy and perfect sacrifice needed for the remission of sins......my view of scriptures though....u might have a contrary view

Your view is brief but correct!
Nice!!

missjo:
This is exactly it, don't diminish the value of the truth by calling it YOUR view.

Indeed, a redemptive sacrifice was required. Blood was required. The covenant of blood is very powerful.

Before then, Israel could only make sacrifices through the Levitical priests. Bull, Sheep, Ox, Goat, even birds (for the poor among them) were used for this. This was the only way to redeem themselves of sin. The high priest would sprinkle the blood of the dead animal on the altar of the tabernacle just outside the holy of holies. This was usually done after the sin of the man or woman had been transferred to the animal by a rite of placing his/her hands on the head of the animal and killing it. The blood was then drained by one of the lower priests.

Ichuka, the above process was not permanent because it had to be done as often as possible.
There were five offerings at that time: The Burnt offering (Blood of a male animal), The meat offering (fine flour with oil to be eaten by the sinner), The sin offering (animal to be eaten by the priest), The Trespass offering (Blood of a female animal), and the Peace offering (The fat of either male or female to be burnt and the blood sprinkled too).

All this would only guarantee sinlessness for as long as the person person keeps himself holy because the blood of animals is lesser than man and can not permanently atone for man. There became a need for a stronger blood covenant, one which would be higher than man. This is why God had to be made flesh through Jesus. God is a spirit being and therefore has no blood, he had to make himself human but at the same time be a completely blameless and sinless human born of a virgin which no man has tainted.
The blood of Jesus encompasses all five offerings and totally redeems sinners for all eternity. In him became a new means of redemption. Instead of going through the priests by making sacrifices in the tabernacle, Jesus became the high priest and the tabernacle in and of itself.

Christ is both God and man to combine the divine nature of the father who seats above all heavens and the least man who walks on the earth, essentially creating a blood link that cannot be broken even by death.

Beautiful!!!
I will add a pinch later to these
Nice one!

Why, in God’s plan of redemption, must Christ be both God and man at the same time?

My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from Me. Yet I want Your will to be done, not Mine. (Matthew 26:39 NLT)

We must face the fact and we must seek help from God always to bear in mind that we are going to have a path of suffering if we are in fellowship with the Lord Jesus.... There has to come a point when we sit down and do some calculating and come to a definite conclusion on this matter – that, although very often we may not be able to see that our suffering is because of our relationship to Him (the sufferings are so manifold and diverse, and very often they look as though they have no relationship at all with our Christian life) at the same time, whether we can discern it or not; the fact remains that the pathway of the child of God, of the fellow of Jesus Christ, is the pathway of suffering. I say, postponement or delay in settling that matter keeps us all the time in that state of hoping and waiting for it to be different, and, because the difference does not come, getting downcast and feeling that all is wrong and that the Lord is against us and all that sort of thing, thus giving all the ground that the enemy wants for destroying our testimony. The very first thing to remember when we take this cup is that while we are taking it as the cup of salvation, while we are remembering the atonement which is in the Blood, and all the wonderful redemption which is ours because of that Blood, the cup does also speak to us of fellowship with His suffering....

Yes, there is something which is going up to His praise and glory as Christ is being formed through the fires of adversity and suffering. It is fellowship with Him in His sufferings, after all, if it is bringing about more Christlikeness. So our first thing is to reckon with this and get it settled. What are you expecting, what are you waiting for, what are you concerned about, what are you pleading and praying for? If you are praying for full and final deliverance from adversity and suffering and difficulty and all that sort of thing, let me tell you your prayer will never be answered. Forms of suffering may change, but in some form or another we are going on to the end in a way of adversity. Satan is not going to become our friend while we are friends of Jesus Christ. The kingdom of Satan is not going to rally to our support while we belong to the kingdom which is opposed to his. Let us settle that. It will get us free, perhaps, from this entanglement.

OP
Great post

Blabbermouth:
One love bro. You seem to know much about ordinances, can you tell me more with bible ref.

Romans13:1Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

The above verses is self explainatory.
Every land or community have a delegate authority.directly or indirectly appointed by God.
Same way there are delegates authority is how they have established laws in the land.
So if you break any law of the land you have have also broken the law of God.because those delegates authurity are His subjects.
Even Jesus was primarily refused passage through Samaria.He didn't to force His will on them.
Once you break the law of a land you must redeem yourself or pay the price.
Many missionaries have died ignorantly regarding these topic.

Job38:33“Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth?
Jer33:25
"Thus says the LORD, 'If My covenant for day and night stand not, and the fixed patterns of heaven and earth I have not established.
Romans13:1..Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
OP
Find out which LAW of your community he has broken,and redeem it.
If rightly done .
He will be sane without much prayers .
You can even pray for him and he will receive instant healing .
No be rocket science.

solite3:
Great post

Amen bro
Happy Sunday

duruZed:
Thanks for the message, very inspiring.

Bless our Lord Jesus Christ bro

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV)

Mental activity, emotional life and the will is exactly that which the New Testament calls the natural man, who as a ‘soulish’ man is incapable of accepting what comes from the Spirit of God. Nearly all so-called revivals have happened on this basis. They were mighty movements for the shaking of emotions: mighty persuasions and argumentations were used to influence the understanding and will. What was the result? The natural man has been maneuvered into Christianity and been made a Christian. We cannot, however, recognize the thoughts of God in this and it has nothing to do with being born again. It may be that ‘rebirths’ have occurred in the revivals mentioned above. But there is a difference between, let us say, a psychological rebirth and a rebirth in the Spirit. The one might temporarily carry all the characteristic features of a real rebirth. And yet all of that does not necessarily have anything to do with the Spirit, and in innumerable cases it has had nothing to do with the Spirit. It is a work of man... Christianity has become a system of human interpretation of the thoughts of God. Spiritual death hovers over it. It is no living testimony for God. God has given us a burden in our hearts concerning His thoughts. We do not speak to criticize. We speak because we have to....

People that stand without reserve for the rights of God will always be considered as enemies by those who reject the thoughts of God.... Wherever a religious system has come to reign, it will always be held against them that it is they who bring the people of God into confusion. This is what makes the ministry so difficult. This is what makes the ministry so costly. Israel was so deceived that it thought it was doing right in its idolatry. This is the highest level of deception, not seeing that everything one does, also that which is sincerely intended, actually serves the devil. The prophet’s disagreement is not in the first place with Israel. His battle is with the whole spiritual system into which Israel is entangled. ‘Religious’ people would not even rebel against the ministry of the prophet, if the enemy did not instigate them. So they become instruments of the devil. But the prophet is ready to encounter this. He is misunderstood, he is slandered and seen as an enemy; he is marked as the one who troubles Israel. But he has a vision. He does not serve himself. He knows that his standpoint leaves no room for personal ambition. But he has seen God. He is connected to God. And in the special standing which he has with God, the difference between the godly and the human has been revealed to him. With this vision he has become prepared to carry the cost that the service of God demands.

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son. (Hebrews 1:1,2 ESV)

It says that in times past God spoke "in many ways," not only in different portions, but in different manners. It would take too long for us to go back to the Old Testament to see all the manners in which God spoke. He spoke by a thousand different means: sometimes by words and sometimes by acts. The manners were indeed "diverse." However, the statement here is that at the end He speaks in one way, one all-inclusive way, and that is in His Son. God's Son is His one inclusive way of speaking at the end. On the one side, no one is going to get anything from God apart from Jesus Christ. God will absolutely refuse to speak other than in His Son. If you want to know what God wants to say to you, you have to come to His Son. On the other side, in Jesus Christ we have all that God ever wants to say....

Yes, we have far more of God's speaking in His Son than we have yet come to understand. We have nothing apart from Jesus Christ, and we need nothing apart from Him. You can read everything that has ever been written on Christian doctrine and still be the same man or woman. God's ways are very practical, and He teaches us by experience. That experience is sometimes very difficult and is called here "the training of sons." May the Lord Jesus just impress our hearts again with these things! God is still speaking in His Son, and His speaking is in order to get companions of His Son. Companions of this heavenly calling and of Christ will go into the hard school and have to learn many hard lessons, but in learning them they will come to understand how great is their inheritance in The Lord Jesus.

Anas09:
Read it again. The Covenant was not with Noah, but with humanity.
But, the one He entered with Abraham was with Abraham personally.

The point of the thread was the personalities/characters of these three men.
Even the covenant God had with Abraham was in form of a promise that was fullfil by Christ.

Anas09:
God does not explain.

He's not just God but also our Father.
No one asks his father for bread and receives something else Mat7:7-8

Thank you Jesus for your Mercy and Grace in Jesus name.

2special:
The best approach is to pray for the holy spirit to interpret whatever l don't understand to me...there are something beyond human comprehension.

Yes the Spirit is our Teacher and the course is Christ.

1Sharon:
You say he is useless. Is Adam not your fada?

Don't mind him