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Hi Bawomolo i still dey here o how about you?

And where is our wise one for a rejoinder? 

Oh the wise one, why dont you answer the question first before retorting with puerile and balbative outburst.

Which direction and destination in life do you have in mind wise counsellor?

Which one of them is it Allah, Olodumare, Yeshua ben Pandira aka Jesus Christ or his vengeful violent sadistic violent dad ( Yahweh/Jehovah), Mawu, Chi e.t.c?

Tudór:
Gudmorning. . . .aren't you supposed to be starving yourself in the name of ramadan?

Tudor you no well at all at all

Eriwo ya Eriwo fon Ara mi isoworo ope e ma nle,



IFA OF THE YEAR 2009/2010 CAST AT OKE ITASE ON JUNE 6TH/7TH, 2009.

The Odu of the year revealed for the whole world as it affects all and sundry in the year 2009/2010 is OTURA-ELEFUN-UNDERE (OTURA-OFUN).

In this Odu, Ifa foresees the ire of long life and prosperity for all Ifa devotees all over the world.
Ifa calls on all those born by this Odu either during Ikosedaye or Itelodu to feed their respective Ifa with 16 land snails and two kolanuts with four lobes. If this is done, long life and prosperity is guaranteed.

Ifa however states that the feeding of Ifa must NOT be done by the individual, he/she must invite his/her Awo to come and do the feeding for him/her. It is by so doing that the feeding materials will be accepted by the divinities.

For all other Ifa devotees, there is the need for each and everyone to feed Ifa with two land snails and two kolanuts. Again, Awo must be invited to do this. If an individual or group feeds his/her or the group’s Ifa without inviting a competent Awo to do so for any reason, the offering will not be accepted.

THE MAIN MESSAGES

1. Ifa enjoins all its devotees to ensure that every morning, they prostrate and lie flat for Ifa. While they were in the prostrate positions, they will demand for everything they need from Ifa and their request shall be granted. Ifa equally advises each individual or group to offer ebo with 2 rats, 2 fish, 2 pigeons, 2 hens, 2 guineafowls, 2 roosters and money. If this is done, all encompassing ire is assured.

Ope ja suuru kanle
Dia fun Orunmila
To ji l’owuro kutukutu
Ti nsunkun oju oun o kan’re
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, O ru’bo
Nje aje lo wu mi mo wole Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
Iwo l’Awo ojumo ire o
Aya/Oko ire lo wu mi mo wole Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
Iwo l’Awo ojumo ire o
Omo ire lo wu mi mo wole Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
Iwo l’Awo ojumo ire o
Ire gbogbo lo wu mi mo wole Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
Iwo l’Awo ojumo ire o

Translation:
The palm-frond broke and dived straight to the ground
This was Ifa’s message for Orunmila
When he woke up early in the morning
And was weeping his inability to sight any ire of life
He was advised to offer ebo
He complied
I want wealth and I prostrate myself for Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
You are the Awo of a marvelous dawn
I need a good spouse and I prostrate myself for Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
You are the Awo of a marvelous dawn
I crave for good children and I prostrate myself for Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
You are the Awo of a marvelous dawn
I pray for all ire of life and I lie flat for Ifa
Mariwo Ope ja suuru kanle
You are the Awo of a marvelous dawn



2. Ifa assures all its children that in this year, they shall occupy very important and highly strategic positions. They shall also be elegant and successful.

Each devotee needs to offer ebo with a bundle of white clothe, 8 white pigeons and money. Each person also needs to feed his/her Ori with one white pigeon and honey.

Otura funfun Sese
Dia fun Lekeleke
Ti nraye awure
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, o ru’bo
Nje, Lekeleke gba mi leeekan o
Labalaba gba mi leeekan o

Translation:
Otura funfun Sese, the white immaculate Otura
He cast Ifa for Lekeleke, the cattle Egret
When going on a journey of good luck
He was advised to offer ebo
He complied
Please, Lekeleke infect my fingernails with your whiteness of good luck
Labalaba, please infect my fingernails with your whiteness of good luck.



3. Ifa says that most Ifa devotees have not yet attained their rightful positions in life. Ifa assures them that this year will be the year that they will all take a giant step closer to their rightful positions.

Ifa advises each person to offer ebo with 3 white pigeons, 3 guinea fowls and money. They also need to feed their individual Ori with one catfish, honey and money.

Oturara funfun, Awo Ori
Dia fun Ori
Ori nsunkun alainibudo
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, o ru’bo
Ori je n nibudo
Ori je n nibudo gbayi o

Translation:
Otura funfun, the white Otura, the Awo of Ori
He cast Ifa for Ori
When weeping that he had no stability in life
He was advised to offer ebo
He complied
Ori, please let me have stability
My destiny, let me have stability this time around.


4. Ifa says that even though most Ifa devotees shall be placed in strategic positions this year; they also need to offer ebo so that they will not have eyesight problem, (both literally and figuratively speaking.

Ifa advises each person or group to offer ebo with 3 pigeons, 3 guineafowls, 3 roosters and money. On this, Ifa says;

Otura funfunfun
Awo Oju lo dia f’Oju
Oju nlo ree je Oloja lawujo ara
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, o ru’bo
Oju wa je Oloja nigbayi Ifa
E je n maa rin
E je n maa yan o

Translation:
Otura funfunfun, the white Otura
The Awo of Oju, the Eye, cast Ifa for the Eye
When going to become the ruler of the body
He was advised to offer ebo
He complied
Oju, the Eye has become the ruler of the body this time around
Let me walk gallantly
Let me match majestically



5. Ifa says that this year is a year of plenty and piety. Ifa enjoins its devotees to put on white dresses more regularly. Ifa also urges all devotees to think, speak and act with piety, truthfulness and honesty. All devotees are warned never to do anything that will cast stain and blemish on their whiteness.

Ifa says that after doing this, if anyone or group still deems it fit to castigate them, Ifa and Olodumare will turn it to blessings.

Each person needs to offer ebo with one matured he-goat, 3 white pigeons and money. He/she also needs to feed Elders of the Night with palm-oil.

Funfun niyi aja
Gbogboro niyi orun
Ka rogun ka ma saa niyi okunrin
Dia fun Laseeni
Eyi ti ara aye n bu ku
Ti ara orun n bu kun
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, o ru’bo

Translation:
Whiteness is the value in a dog’s teeth
To be well shaped is the value in a neck
To face uprising head-on is the value of a courageous man
These were Ifa’s declarations to Laseeni
Who was being discredited by human beings
But who was being complemented by heavenly beings
He was advised to offer ebo
He complied


6. Ifa says that as this year is the year of purity and whiteness for all devotees, so also is it a year of honey of sweetness. Ifa enjoins all devotees to place a jar of honey by their Ifa. They also need to taste out of it on a regular interval.

Otura funfunfun
Awo Oyin lo dia f’Oyin
Otura funfunfun
Awo Ado lo dia f’Ado
Otura funfunfun
Awo Ifunfun lo dia fun Ifunnfun
Aye awon le dun ni won ndafa si
Ebo ni won ni ki won waa se
Won gb’ebo, won ru’bo
Ile Oyin ma n ho o
Ti Ado n yo
Ifunnfun naa o tile gbele

Translation:
Otura funfunfun, the white Otura
He cast Ifa for Oyin, the Honey
Otura funfunfun
He cast Ifa for Ado, Sugar-honey
Otura funfunfun
He cast Ifa for Ifunnfun, (another type of honey)
When willing to know if their lives will be sweet or not
They were advised to offer ebo
They complied
The home of honey is filled with sweetness
That of Ado is also sweet
There is no bitterness in the home of Ifunnfun


7. Ifa says that it is time for us to exhibit our uniqueness. We must never imitate anyone. We must do our things in original and unique ways. This is because imitating others is fraught with disappointments and dangers.

In order to escape the problem associated with imitating others, there is the need to offer ebo with 3 guinea fowls, 3 roosters and money. For our Ori to pick the right choice at all times, we need to offer ebo with 3 white pigeons each. We also need to feed our Ori with one big smoked catfish each. On these aspects, Ifa says;

Kokorogun-un mi Osemusemu
Dia fun Meeeye
Ti nba won lo s’oko eburo
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, o ru’bo
Ologun n he ogun
Ologbon n he ogbon
Alaaadota n he aadota o
Okan soso pere ni Meeeye he o

Translation
My Kokorogun shrub, with sharp thorns
Ifa’s message for Meeeye
When going to the farm to pick eburo seeds
She was advised to offer ebo
She complied
Some picked 20 eburo seeds
Some picked 30 seeds
Some picked 50 seeds
Meeeye was able to pick only one seed


Meeeye and her colleagues went to the farm in search of Eburo seeds. Some of her colleagues found and picked 20, some picked 30, others picked 50, but Meeeye found and picked only one. They were making jest of her that she would not be able to sell only one in the market, and if she did, the money she would make from it would be nothing compared to what they would make.

When they were about to cross the makeshift bridge on their way back home, Meeeye fell into the stream and the eburo seed was washed off her hand. She pursued it, until she found herself in a big city. They pulled her out of the stream and inquired from her what her mission was. She explained her ordeal. She was given three small gourds and asked to return to her home. She was asked to hit the gourd on the floor of her home.room when she got home. She did. In the first gourd was expensive beads, in the second gourd was gold and diamond and in the third gourd was expensive clothing materials – Meeeye became an instant success.

She shared part of her success with her bosom friend. This friend was not satisfied. She asked Meeeye to explain to her exactly how she made her success, Meeeye told her. The friend quietly returned all what Meeeye gave her to Meeeye.

The next time that they went in search of the Eburo seeds, this friend went with them. She saw many seeds but picked only one. On their way back home, she threw her eburo seed into the stream and jumped into the stream to pursue it. She followed the seed until she got to the big city that Meeeye saw the last time. They pulled her out of the stream. She told them that she had come for them to make her as successful as Meeeye. They gave her three gourds and asked her to hit them on the floors of her room when she got home. She could not wait to reach home. She threw one of the gourds on the ground on the way home and bees flew out and stung her mercilessly, she ran. She threw the second and third down at the same time in her room and emmets and snakes came out and bit her to death.


That is why people say that “Enikan kii fori w’ori Meeeye lo oko eburo” meaning “nobody can compare his luck to that of Meeeye when going in search of eburo seeds in the farm”.


8. Ifa foresees victory over enemies for all Ifa devotees this year. Sango will ensure victory for all devotees.

Ifa advises us to offer ebo with 4 roosters, 4 hens, 200 pebbles and money. There is also the need to feed Sango with one rooster, amala and gbegiri, bean soup. On this, Ifa says;

Okiti seki-seki-seki Awo eba ona
Dia fun Olukoso lalu
Jenrola omo arigba ota segun
Igbati nbe laarin ota
Ebo ni won ni ko waa se
O gb’ebo, o ru’bo
Ta lo wa nperi Oba o?
Too, emi o peri I re Alado

Translation:
Small heaps, the Awo of the roadside
They cast Ifa for Sango
He who has 200 pebbles to ensure victory
When he was in the midst of enemies
He was advised to offer ebo
He complied
Who is speaking ill of the Oba?
No! I will not speak evil of you, Alado!


AFFLIATED ORISA/IRUNMOLE OF OTURA-OFUN
- Ifa
- Odu
- Ori
- Sango
- Egbe
- Obatala
Aje
- Olokun
- Esu Odara


TABOOS OF OTURA – OFUN
- Must not ignore the advice of youths. The youths are the ones blessed with foresight and knowledge to lead and advise this year.
- Must not reveal business secrets to others –m to avoid envious people from spoiling your business
- Must avoid excessive farm work
- Those born by this Odu must not take any inheritance from their mothers’ side, clan or lineage in order to avoid unconsummated fortune
- Must never kill bees or destroy honey combs, beehives or any part of bees family – to avoid being sad and unsuccessful in life
- Must never use egret for anything – to avoid unconsummated fortune
- Must never imitate anyone – to avoid calamity and disaster
- Must avoid okra and garden-egg consumption – to avoid threat to life leading to untimely death.

ABORU ABOYE

S. SOLAGBADE POPOOLA
CHAIRMAN
ETHICS AND SCRIPTURE
International Council for Ifa Religion.

osisi you this girl don kolo well well, you no go kill person o

Aboru aboye o
firstly, i am not an authority on Ifa
i am still learning to understand it

secondly, where about are you based?


Akosalusa Awo ile Alara
Odimodimo Awo oke ijero
Fafe ni sawo  ode Isabe
Asagede ni sawo Ataoja
Adifa fun Orunmila
baab nlo saja eremi
Oni bi won ko won ni Ifa nibe won agbagbe
Bi won ko won niIye won asun
E ma je ngbagbe
Atare so simi ninu
Iyere osun je kinnlokan bere Iyere osun.e.t.c

Obaranikosun
Ifa mako mi niye lo
Obaranikosun

Ela boru Ela boye Ela bosise

wisdom, knowledge and understanding for you in your quest for Ifa,
Ire o

Horus:
If Jesus Is God Who Was Jesus Calling On In Matthews 27:46, When He Said Eli, Eli Lama Sabachtani, My God, My God Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?

very simple, he was calling unto himself saying:

me! me! why has thou forsaken me

Kongi is not an atheist he is an avowed Olakaaye Oshin-irunmole worshipper

Abeg you people please leave my name sake alone ahba!

Kunle is grossly embittered towards the pale-skinned people ergo displaying his discomfort and annoyance in full force


abeg let him be, mo ti ba bebe o ( please leave him alone )

olabowale:
The Ifa man will be poor in this life and hereafter! His cloth will be " pon bi Aparo ni", and in the day of Judgement will be thrown into the fire. I guess he will make his ifa work for him, in the fire of Hell.

Agbigbo ni fiye apa s'elu legan
Adifa fun Akala ipapo
eyi ti n selenini bara petu
Ida olominrinmirin ki yun ni lorun tii
gbogbo eni ti o ba nse elenini Ifa
Ida olominrinmirin asi ma yun won lorun


Ela boru Ela boye Ela bosise

aboru aboye

Ogbon sawo mawi
oro bologberi mamo
adifa fun alukoso aye
abu fun aludundun orun
nijo ti won ntikole orun bo wa ikole aye
won ni ki won sakaale
ebo ni ki won o wa se
nje alukoso aye se o ngbo o
aludun dun orun se on gbo o
ototo la yan eda o o to to

ela boru ela boye ela bo sise

you guys are bunch of jokers,

diasporian:
@Omolawo

May Ifa chop off yah gaddem pri ck or di ck as you speak, may the pri ck become suya for Mallam Zobo fire, and may the di ck become meat for Mama Bosunra pot of soup.

what is all these puerile and balbative talks, dont you have any better and positive contributions to make,

Mazaje, bros your comment is too harsh albeit hilarious

Pastor AIO dont mind them "Awon ologberi lasan lasan"

huxley ah ah you no de tire,
abeg leave all these mythical fables alone

~Lady~:
It tells me that these people didn't think the way we do because they didn't live in our time. And that in order for us to understand what they wrote, we have to understand how they thought. Instead of thinking how we do today, think how they did then. You will then understand what their message is.

I believe Noah's story took place, I just understand how it is he thought. I don't think he knew that the earth wasn't flat and that there were other people who lived in other places in the world. I think he thought that the world was what he could see. So the world he knew is not the world we know, so don't use the world we know as a standard to the world he knew.
It might say world, but you have to understand what world meant to him.

The Bible should be read as it was written and not as if it was written today.

lady lady lady

this your argument is soooooooo weak, 
your have just torn the veracity of your bible to shreds

Aboru aboye o

Ela ro wa Ela ro Ela ro wa
Orunmila ro wa
bi o ba nbe l'oko ki ode
Bi o ba nbe l'oja ki o bo
Bi o ba nbe ni Iwonran-Ola
ni bi Ojumo rere gbe n mo wa
Ki o ran wa dandan
Ere tete ni teku Agege
Ilakosinmoba ki gbouhun omo re koduro
ki gbohun omo're ko ma ma tara je je je
Orunmila sare tete wa o
Elesin Oyan
Ojogiri lugbedu orun
seke okun Timi Agbale Ametutu soro
Enile ereke ti n'ri afopin eye
Erinmi nile Ado Erigi lode Owo Eesa ni Ideta
Omo enire omo enire omo enikan saaka bi Akun,

Ela moyin boru Ela moyin boye Ela mo yin bosise

I thought this is a religion section. 

why not put it in health or medical section

welcome to the club 

Adam Brody:
@

To all you anti-Devil or Satan or whatever you choose to call him;

I just have 2 questions to ask

1. Show me anywhere in the bible where the so called devil lied to anybody personally and i will show you were god confessed that he lied and repented for his evil actions?

2. Tell me how many people did the Devil kill or destroy or murder senselessly in the bible and compare that amount to the number god killed and murdered brutally.

Just a set of fair questions!

One more thing, if god is so wise and intelligent, why did he have to destroy the whole world through a flood when he was omniscent and knew the same creations he made in future would turn back on him? If he saw the people misbehaving, why didnt he just pick them out one by one instead of destroying the WHOLE WORLD because he was angry that no body gave a hoot about him?

That doesnt sound like an all intelligent god, rather more of a cosmic slowpoke running amok with no sense of decency or intelligence whatsoever!

Let me borrow one of my brethren's phrase

"YOU NO GET JOY AT ALL AT ALL"

to be honest I did not read Knotty's post until you pointed it out.

I can now understand and identify with your feelings.

I

Okija_juju:
Wow!!

Praise the lord for the conflict in jos,
For the countless innocent lives that we have lost to that senseless carnage,
Thanks for the millions more he is going to kill,
Thank you for the thousands we will loose to car accidents today,
Thank you for the hungry and sick women and children in Darfur,
Thank you for the sufferings and death in the Niger Delta,
Thank you for steering those you love away from the conflict, and leading those you want to exterminate to jos.

Thank you so much for your "love" that beats my understanding.

ol boy! you no well at all, 

let us show sensitivity and sympathy to the families and victims of that senseless carnage that erupted in jos where some elements make use of religion to carry out henious crime on their fellow citizens,
what happened is very sickening.

~Lady~:
And as I have stated before, the laws were meant for a particular people at a particular time with a particular culture. Which God are you looking for, the one who you make a covenant with and then turn against him and expect you to get away with it?
These people had a covenant with God and when the laws were broken punishment comes with it. For nomadic people at that time, this was how they handled situations.
God is a God of Justice. Don't make the mistake of having a view of how he is in your mind and then expecting him to be that way.

You're making the mistake of taking a historical law and applying it today. Is this supposed to scare people? It should only scare those who do not understand the backgraound of the Bible and the culture and the people for which it was written. If anyone were to come up and say that these laws are applicable today, then you know something is wrong with them.

Because it is not applicable today.

For example, slavery was the law of the land in the US. until it was abolished, should we now abandon the US. because slavery used to be the law of the land?

From your reasoning, no black person should be living in the US.

I have stated that the punishment for breaking the sabbath law is not death. The operative there is IS. You state of the past and I state of the present.

With my knowledge of the history of the Bible, I stomach it just fine.

Well now you have heard. What is it about the explanation that you don't like? The part about the laws being for a particular time and people. Are these laws practiced today?

We do see something wrong in it, that's why it has been undone. Christ undid that, or do you disagree?

1. From your repsonses above you freely admits that yahweh is not a universal god because he is a god of a particular set of people. he should have given a universal law then,
2. You claim that the 10 commandment were historical, ( you dare go to any jewish synagogue and tell them that. If you are not stone to death thank your stars then. ), ergo a god that is suppose to be omni whatever would have known that he is giving a law that is non-everlasting law that sane rational people will not buy. where was jesus when his dad was giving out all these barbaric law to the israelites ( he took siddon and look approach)
3. I submit to you that your yahweh/jehovah is abhorent, what kind of god will encourage allow people to be enslaved, he is a despicable monster for all other atrocities that he allowed
4. oh oh so you can see something that his wrong with the law that your yahweh gave, but it is claimed that he is perfect just and can do no wrong.
5. nothing has been undone, christ did not undo naaadaaa he said he came to fulfill them, (was he not working with his father when he was in heaven back then why did he not tell his dad that those commandments are barbaric, detestable and wrong), "iru iro ni iborun won"

hi everybody
Chris et Mazaje please check out GERALD MASSEY 
Cheers

Have we all read about Robert Ingersoll? you can google the name. the guy is awesome, there are plethora of his works available.
cheers.

Hi Chris
you need to check out neonostalgia.com for extensive scholarly debates

take care

Donpuso abeg sir which of the gods are you talking about?

Allah, yahweh/jehovah, olodumare, chi, mawu,jesus chirist, et al,

Hi Pilgrim
Im fine thank you.
my questions is on the two verses 52 and 53 of Matthew ch 27  "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many"

cheers.