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how are they satanic tools?

who?
what?
where?
when/
how?
why?

where is non-christian hell and where is christian heaven?

uchkochi:
THERE IS A PLACE CALLED HEAVEN AND A PLACE CALLED HELL

There is a place called heaven and a place called hell, heaven is the last bus stop of the saints; Christians and believers in the lordship of Jesus Christ. Hell was made for the devil and his fallen angels but the devil knows He has a very short time to be cast into Hell forever and has vowed to take sinners along with him. Revelations 12 vs. 7 - 12 Thank God you are saved. Choose where you stand, you either with God or the devil, either cold or hot. Revelations 3 vs.15 – 16. I don’t care your religion, it is not equal to your destination, and whether you are a practitioner of any so called religion you have no hope except if you have Christ. Living a good life is not equal to living a saved life. You must be saved to be safe.

You did not come to earth by chance, what makes you feel you can chart your course without God who made you. You were created by God and not by science, science is fallible, science is a fact but God is the truth. God is no guess work He existed before everything had a beginning. You will fail and finally fall without God it is only a matter of time. So repent and return to God and have a changed life to fulfill your destiny on Earth before going to meet Jesus in heaven

Your past does not matter; the first person to go to heaven was the thief on the cross with Jesus Luke 23 vs. 39 - 43 He believed in Jesus and believed that there is heaven so that day He went to heaven with Jesus. No matter your sins the blood of Jesus is ever available to wash you from every sin and guilt. Its time to live for Jesus because it is the only way to be accepted by Him. Don’t wait for tomorrow if you are a Christian rededicate your life to Christ and start obeying His word completely, if you are not tell Him to reveal himself to you.

You cannot be saved anywhere else but in Jesus Christ. Check your life because this message is a witness that you have heard about Jesus Christ.

You will fulfill your destiny in the precious name of Jesus Christ Amen. Jesus Christ is more real than the air we breathe.

1. so non christians are going to hell,    you must be joking
2. can you pinpoint where hell and heaven are situated
3. who told you that the thief was first in heaven, on assumption where were the old testament characters e.g. enoch, moses, joshua, caleb, solomon, abraham etc, i know david would not have made heaven for his atrocities?

haba huxley huxley

you no dey tire
abeg rest small o

i ve told you not to worry yourself with all the fable and mythical stories in that book
if people want to believe in it , its their choice

kola oloye:
@topic,
I want you to understand something here. In every situation of life there is always a human factor.
In the midst of trouble,when confusion sets in we open our mouth to say many things.
As for John and Jesus they knew each other even right from the womb.

During Jesus time, he (john) was telling the people why Jesus' ministry was growing and his
depreciating because Jesus was the one that he (john)came to prepare the way for.

What happened in Luke 7 was just a human / flesh factor.

I thought Luke 7 was inspired by yahweh/jehovah
ergo, not all the words in the bible are not inerrant, 

huxley huxley

wetin i go do for you this boy enh!

forget about this fable book and concentrate on more important things

KunleOshob:
Evidence for Global food http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/geology.htm

ron wyatt discovery has been proved to be fraudulent

"And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves today to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day.
And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin." EXODUS CHAPTER 32 VERSES 27-30

This is gruesome and viciously blood-thirsty killing spree. Can we honestly believe this to be infallible word of god, it is only the god of israel that can say all these commandments,

~Lady~:
It wasn't until the mosaic period that man was able to write, and much more legibly than before, Also Moses was very educated. He was raised as a prince in egypt, the egyptians were much more advanced than those who surrounded them, so moses could read and write, he basically had first class education.

can you substantiate with proof that it was during mosaic period that man was able to write, and much more legibly than before,

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DeepZone:
The difference is that the ones recorded in the bible is just a river and no god or goddess was being worshiped.

the prophet could have just asked his god to heal namaan of his leprosy. If he is that powerful river jordan is then otiose.

kufreabasi:
The bible recorded that our people perish because of lack of knowledge.
why cann they believe in God and put their faith in him and see if their problems
will not be solved?
imagine some peoples drinking the water.
Impatience will kill some people

what is the difference between river jordan, pool of siloam that was recorded in your bible and river osun?

mazaje mazaje 

personally myself i cannot fathom all the absurdities and the violence of the bible especially the pentateuch, so sickening for the portrayal of a god named yahweh aka jehovah

in what language would that god be talking,

i presume that:
to the jews yahweh/jeovah talked in hebrew
to the arabs alhah talked in arabic
to the greeks zeus talked in greek
to the yorubas olodumare talked in yoruba
e.t.c

read the bible very well, Blacks were mentioned

Which god?

uchmangrt:
@ IDINRETE, stand where?

you are busy hailing zino ben,and am yet to read your own post on the thread.

Im not sure you are ready to read my post, 
if you are ready to have a discussion without any recourse to name calling, oh you are going to hell fire stuff or we are right you are dead attitude like  that of some people in this forum lets begin,  im game

stand where?

Zino Ben:
@uchmangrt

1. I have read the bible and still read it these days not as a holy book but another piece of fiction literature in the mould of "Things fall apart, James hardley chase novels or the harry potter chronicles. They all share one thing in common. Historical fiction and if you get too engrossed in it, it might sound very real and true to you.

2. I probably know the bible better than you and if you quote this, i might just look up the passage or verse and quote other wise to contradict what you just said.

3.Yes your right, i stopped going to church when i realised that it was turning into a micro-finance bank filled with circus performers and wannabe conference speakers. I go once in a while when i am bored to catch up on the latest entertainment that i could have missed 6 months ago but i end up sleeping off when the pastor gets into his windy, long and boring fire branding message of the day. Anyway, the churches have a use to me whenever i go. Those pews are very comfortable when you want to sleep and they are really designed well. I ought to get one in my house someday.

4. I don't believe in the biblical god as the god that made heaven or earth or what so ever due to the inherent contradictions and half truths and uncompleted stories that can be best described as a fable. What i know is that how we are created is a mystery that hasnt been rationally explained and not because it hasnt been rationally explained by someone or a group, that doesnt mean we should now accept the stories of another group when it has no conclusive evidence.

There are so many gods ranging from allah to zeus, osiris, buddah, oduduwa etc with all different stories about how the world was created. If i can't believe the god zeus because it doesnt sound and feel right, what makes the god of the bible better than them? Theu all share the same characteristics of not been ever seen and their stories were written by the so called inspired men of these gods.

Until there is a rational and conclusive evidence that the biblical god made the heavens and earth, i will not rely on such fables as a source of belief. The most hilarious of the genesis story is the story that god removed a rib from adam and created eve. So god was involved in cloning way before dolly the sheep 5,000 years later? If he just created adam from dust just like that, why go through the stress of stealing a rib from adam and causing a deep sleep to create eve? at least when he made the male and female orangutans, he didnt remove the male tonsils of the orangutan to create the female orangutan neither did he do the same for the female kangaroos, male elephants and what so ever animals. Its even absurd to think of god just created over 100 million species of animals and insects male and female just in a day?

Besides when god said lets make man in our own image, werent there any women in heaven or wherever he was just floating around from?, Jeez gimme a break!

5. Finally how can i believe the bible is a word of a holy god? A book filled with monsterous atrocities of the highest proportion, slavery, murders, debauchery,immorality, misnognmy,curses, homosexuality, drunkeness and the like and you want me to accept that as a book inspired by a holy and good god?, Abeg bros, forget that side.

Dont even push me to start quoting all these evil and demonic passages from the bible again. Its too nauseating to even think of it.

Zino Ben my man I feel you

I surmise you did not read the story
it has everything to do with religion, when you are married to a child younger than your own children, by common sense uncommon sense 84 wives are over the top
, and you want to propagate morality and ethics through religion


Nigerian Mohammed Bello Abubakar, 84, has advised other men not to follow his example and marry 86 women.

The former teacher and Muslim preacher, who lives in Niger State with his wives and at least 170 children, says he is able to cope only with the help of God.

"A man with 10 wives would collapse and die, but my own power is given by Allah. That is why I have been able to control 86 of them," he told the BBC.

He says his wives have sought him out because of his reputation as a healer.

"I don't go looking for them, they come to me. I will consider the fact that God has asked me to do it and I will just marry them."

But such claims have alienated the Islamic authorities in Nigeria, who have branded his family a cult.

 
When you marry a man with 86 wives you know he knows how to look after them

Wife Ganiat Bello Abubakar

Most Muslim scholars agree that a man is allowed to have four wives, as long as he can treat them equally.
But Mr Bello Abubakar says there is no punishment stated in the Koran for having more than four wives. "To my understanding the Koran does not place a limit and it is up to what your own power, your own endowment and ability allows," he says.

"God did not say what the punishment should be for a man who has more than four wives, but he was specific about the punishment for fornication and adultery."

'Order from God'

As Mr Bello Abubakar emerged from his compound to speak to the BBC, his wives and children broke out into a praise song.


Some of Mr Bello Abubakar's wives are younger than some of his children

Most of his wives are less than a quarter of his age - and many are younger than some of his own children.
The wives the BBC spoke to say they met Mr Bello Abubakar when they went to him to seek help for various illnesses, which they say he cured.

"As soon as I met him the headache was gone," says Sharifat Bello Abubakar, who was 25 at the time and Mr Bello Abubakar 74.

"God told me it was time to be his wife. Praise be to God I am his wife now."

Ganiat Mohammed Bello has been married to the man everyone calls "Baba" for 20 years.

When she was in secondary school her mother took her for a consultation with Mr Bello Abubakar and he proposed afterwards.

"I said I couldn't marry an older man, but he said it was directly an order from God," she says.

She married another man but they divorced and she returned to Mr Bello Abubakar.

"I am now the happiest woman on earth. When you marry a man with 86 wives you know he knows how to look after them," she said.

No work

Mr Bello Abubakar and his wives do not work and he has no visible means of supporting such a large family.


Many of the wives live three to a room, some have seven children

He refuses to say how he makes enough money to pay for the huge cost of feeding and clothing so many people.

Every mealtime they cook three 12kg bags of rice which all adds up to $915 (£457) every day.

"It's all from God," he says.

Other residents of Bida, the village where he lives in the northern Nigerian state, say they do not know how he supports the family.

According to one of his wives, Mr Bello Abubakar sometimes asks his children to go and beg for 200 naira ($1.69, £0.87), which if they all did so would bring in about $290 (£149).

Most of his wives live in a squalid, unfinished house in Bida; others live in his house in Lagos, Nigeria's commercial capital.

He refuses to allow any of his family or other devotees to take medicine and says he does not believe that malaria exists.

 
They were sick and we told God and God said their time has come

Wife Hafsat Bello Abubakar

"As you sit here if you have any illness I can see it and just remove it," he says.

But not everyone can be cured and one of his wives, Hafsat Bello Mohammed, says two of her children have died.

"They were sick and we told God and God said their time has come."

She says that most of the wives see Mr Bello Abubakar as next in line from the Prophet Muhammad.
Indeed, he claims the Prophet Muhammad speaks to him personally and gives detailed descriptions of his experiences.

It is a serious claim for a Muslim to make.

"This is heresy, he is a heretic," says Ustaz Abubakar Siddique, an imam of Abuja's Central Mosque.

Dear Lady

what did JH do to make you upset?

A nigerian man with 86 wife in Bida

some are so young to be his children, grand children,

this is scary for me o

SOURCE
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7547148.stm

why am i a trouble maker?
are these not among numerous stories that is being taught in Sunday school and from the pulpits

did the serpent converse in latin or greek or arabic, definitely not in Yoruba  

Huxley huxley, how you dey?

please we are waiting for you at the "eve and the serpent" thread

if you want to discuss issues dont start with personal attack or by pouring invectives

so kindly enlighten me on the questions i asked earlier:
when did the animals become dangerous?         
was the serpent talking to eve in hebrew?

so you are not sure about what is in the bible

why should i believe all those fables about creation, noah's ark, the flood and the rest of mythical stories written in the bible

so how are you going to convert me as an atheist, even Huxley for that matter?

Missy B:
Don't know but i think
Then,animals weren't dangerous.Serpent talkin to her was jst normal then.

this is highly incredulous

when did the animals become dangerous? 
was the serpent talking to eve in hebrew? 

please help me out

Madam d madam what is your beef with christianity?