₦airaland Forum

lawani:
Nigeria is based on fraudulent census. What would have exposed it is if taxation were being used to fund government.
I am not anti Igbo at all but if Biafra is declared again and there is an attempt by Biafra to invade the west to colonize it then I will join those fighting back as did my forebears, I am sure you will do the same for Biafra if Yoruba were to invade Biafra. It is strange that anyone would see such a reaction as wrong in any form. Outside that you should have a sense of safety around me. Why not?

What I am telling you that you don't want to accept is that whether the constitution supports it or not, it is still wrong to give 19 million people and 55 million people the same representation. Wrong is wrong and it is only the military constitution that supports it. At independence the North for instance insisted on half of representation at least. I don't know how the remainder was shared by the South

Forget about oil. It only destroyed the country and that is why Ghana or CotedIvoire is better than Nigeria today. Then before the war, the country was not dependent on oil. Oil income was not significant.

Don't you agree that it is strange that an organization that is fighting for secession is also fighting against state police? If not strange to you it is strange to me. The ideology of IPOB is strange to me.

My opinion about mineral resources in the oceans which is the majority of Earth remains the same. It should belong to the whole of humanity. The majority of resources on this Earth lies in the oceans. Does it make sense it should belong to only littoral states? It is only my opinion though

Sure 'you're not anti-Igbo'! I'm also sure the Yoruba soldier that supervised the Asaba massacre told his soldier colleagues he's not anti-Igbo.....i'm also sure the Yoruba soldier that blithely spoke of 'shooting anything that moves in Igboland' told his soldier colleagues he's not anti-Igbo.....i'm also sure the Yoruba politician that came up with the idea to mount a food blockade during the uncivil war to target non-combatants for starvation and try to force Biafras' hand to capitulate would have told Igbo around him he's not anti-Igbo! Talk is cheap dude, let me leave that at that!

You talk of Biafra 'invading Yorubaland during the war to colonise it'! Just listen to yourself! Let me see if i'm getting you right: you're saying that during the uncivil war, as the Nigerian side, that had their war room headquartered in Dodan Barracks in Lagos, were indiscriminately lobbing bombs over the Niger to target and kill both combatant and non-combatant Biafrans....you're saying Biafra should have sat back, absorbed wave after wave of attack, and not gone on the offensive to take the war to the enemy! Is this what you're saying!? A big part of your problem is you've allowed your negative sentiments (lemme not say hatred) towards the Igbo to muddle your thought process and sense of good judgement and justice to the point of saying anything in a bid to further a dead narrative! As we speak, your hegemonic allies, the Fulani, have invaded Yorubaland and are murdering, kidnapping and terrorising innocent Yoruba and other Nigerians with reckless abandon and without let or hindrance! You're yet to rediscover the same mojo and gusto you had 1967-70 that enabled you go after the 'Igbo invaders', and use same to save Yorubaland today against these modern day invaders! Why's that!? Fact of the matter is, but for your irrational fear and sentiments towards the Igbo in the late 60s, the ENTIRE SOUTHERN PEOPLES by now could have freed themselves from having anything to do with these medieval-minded thugs! As i'm typing this, i'm watching a recording of yesterdays AristTV morning show, and Ojy Okpe just featured a report showing a Yoruba man pleading for help in paying the 100 million naira ransome some filthy sahelian vermin that kidnapped him on his way to Sokoto are askinf for before releasing him! This is the Nigeria you and your kinsfolk wanted that made you think it was a 'brilliant' idea to ally with the Fulani-led north to fight Biafra and sustain the 'one Nigeria' we're all 'enjoying' today! Way to go mate!

Your 'argument' in the second paragraph is based on a faulty premise ab-initio, and so you can't build anything on it! Let me reiterate yet again: on the morning of our 'independence', the Northern, Western and Eastern Regions joined as equals, with not distinction or preferential treatment given to any based on the population or landmass 'argument' you're now trying to make! Yes the Northen Region got half of the representaion in Parliament, but this could be explained or even 'justified' based on the 1914 amalgamation which joined the Northern and Southern Protectorates into one country! But a bigger issue arising from the point you were trying to make is that at 'independence', representation and allocation of federal resources was done on a equal basis between the north and south! However, almost 7 decades later, and after a few sneaky manoeuvres, machinations and manipulations by the northern military (remember the role you played in sustaining and empowering the northern hegemony in 1967-70), we're now confronted with a situation in which the north, that was once equal to the south at 'independence', all of a sudden now becoming the superior partner in the arrangement! They now have more states, more senators, more reps members, and as a consequence, more appointive positions at national level than the south! Try and figure that one out because i can't!

Could you post a link to help corroborate your claim on IPOBs position regarding state police? For the very fact they are a secessionist organisation, it stands to reason that what they're interested in would be more than state police! It's just like expecting IPOB to be obsessed with the murky waters of Nigerian partisan-politics and be campaigning vigorously for a specific candidate!

lawani:
How am I anti Igbo? Did I ever say the injustice was caused by Igbos? There is injustice and I am happy you now see it and pointing it out is not anti Igbo. If oil dependence did not interrupt our nation building the injustice would have been apparent because I can't bring half the revenue and you ask me to take one third of appointments, the country would rather split. What enabled it is the dependence on oil and that is not the fault of any group.
The SW is producing oil and it is not correct to be saying oil from the East is being used to sponsor the SW. IF Nigeria is no more oil revenue of Yoruba land will still be more or less constant. The old western region comprising of SW and Edo and Delta too has oil almost as much as the old Eastern region. So your argument on oil does not hold water.

You say what FG projects in the East? What about federal schools? What about the huge salaries being paid to politicians? Whatever the SE is collecting in that regards, Oyo and Ogun together should have been taking more than that for equity not to talk of Lagos.

On oil, my opinion is actually that it does not belong to anybody. It is not a result of the hard work of anybody especially the fields offshore. Does it really make sense for a small littoral state to be claiming the contents of the whole oceans which is over seventy percent of Earth's surface to be theirs? I don't believe so. It should belong to all of humanity.

The average Yoruba wants a Yoruba nation. Sunday Igboho is only saying he is supporting Tinubu for now in the same way Kanu was not fighting for Biafra during Jonathan's era. The people that are neither here nor there are the people like Igbo Union and IPOB who are against state police.

Oil money did not help Yoruba land because we were doing better when we were without oil and around only twenty million people and we are also contributing oil to Nigeria

Dude, give it a rest.....i know your sort! Your type are the sort Igbo ought to be wary of because your own negative sentiments towards us are subtle, latent and/or couched in language that could lull us into having a false sense of safety around you! Ndigbo encountered and listened to your sort in the months leading up to the uncivil war, and wrongly made decisions and calculations based on preconceived notions they had about you! The discerning will know what i'm on about!

I say you're anti-Igbo based on your hegemonic mind-set, and cunning proposals on how appointments and funds should be allocated amongst the component parts WHICH ALL JOINED A 'INDEPENDENT' NIGERIA AS EQUALS ON 1ST OCT' 1960! The independence constitution agreed upon by the regions that heralded a 'independent' Nigeria DID NOT say one region would receive less appointive positions and funds from the centre because they're smaller in landmass or less populated than the other two! It was YOU (whether by omission or comission) and your northern allies that enthroned the present structure and political-economy we're saddled with....a status-quo that has choked Nigeria from 1970 to date!

Dude, you CAN'T say the injustice was caused by Ndigbo even if you wanted to because it's YOU and your northern allies that fashioned the senseless, uneven, unitary feeding-bottle political-economy and structure Nigeria has been operating from the late 60s to date! You joined the north from 1967-70 to fight Ndigbo/Biafra, sustain 'one Nigeria', and enthrone the same status-quo you're presently moaning about! If you're looking for where to start the blame game start with The Man In The Mirror (apologies to MJ)!

Yes, you're right in saying the south-west produces oil! Yes, you're equally right in saying the old Western Region (that includes present day Edo and Delta states) produced oil that equally contributed in developing the Western Region (specifically Lagos)! At no point did i argue otherwise, though i'm sure those conversant with oil production levels between the Eastern and Western Regions at the time would tell you you're wrong implying both regions were equal in production or that the latter produced more than the former! It's a known fact that fields with the most prolific onshore production levels at the time, pre uncivil war, were located in present day Rivers, Imo, Abia, Bayelsa and Akwa-Ibom states. Let me remind you that my argument isn't that oil production didn't happen in the then Western Region or didn't contribute to the development of the region (specifically Lagos). Rather, my argument is that oil fields located in Igboland at the time contributed, in large part, to providing funds the federal gov't used in developing your Western Region of the time (specifically Lagos)! That is the knob of my argument and the koko of the matter!

Dude, so when i ask you to list out federal gov't funded projects and policy interventions targeted at any city or state in the south-east commensurate or close to what they have done for Lagos (the Lagos you're now claiming today), all you can mention are a few miserable and underfunded federal schools and a couple of pot-hole ridden roads!? Are you kidding me!? In the list of benefits i mentioned earlier that Lagos got courtesy of our commonwealth, i even forgot to add FESTAC TOWN and TRADE FAIR COMPLEX.....you can add that to the list as well! This is what i'm asking you to equally list for any city or state in the south-east, yet all you can come up with are federal schools and bloated salaries of a few greedy and self-centred south-east politicians!? Your ungrateful, self-centred and uncompromising stance is a common trait amongst the Nigerian hegemonic class and a huge part of what's bedevilling Nigeria today!

Pray, on what basis should Oyo and Ogun be 'receiving more for the sake of equity'!? Equity based on what exactly? It's funny yet pathetic at the same time that you, a Yoruba man, want more for your Oyo and Ogun based on 'equity', yet you want the onshore and offshore oil and gas of the Niger-Delta to be owned by the federal gov't just so you can use all sorts of innovative, clever-by-half and cunning schemes like landmass and population to grab a nice large cut for yourselves! As we speak, the Niger-Delta is the most polluted region on earth! But that doesn't concern you enjoying your 'one Nigeria' in Banana Island, Lekki or VI in Lagos.....those problems are detached and far away from you and could be happening in another planet for all you care!

Your argument that littoral states should not be be allowed to own and control the hydrocarbon deposits in their waters is exactly the type of argument i've come to expect from your type! Dude, in a federation, such as the one Nigeria presently purports to operate, IT IS THE COMPONENT PARTS THAT AGREE TO COME TOGETHER TO MAKE THE WHOLE....THE COUNTRY EXISTS ONLY BECAUSE OF THE COMPONENT PARTS THAT CONSTITUTE IT! Arguing otherwise would amount to the tail wagging the dog!

Can't believe you're sitting there telling bold-faced lies about how Mazi Kanu wasn't fighting for Biafra during the GEJ years, and that IPOB haven't taken a definitive stand on secession! Are you for real!? Even with all the cold blood of innocent Biafra/Igbo youth agitators your Buhari gov't has shed?....Even with the millions of dollars your present gov't is spending to try and counter IPOBs narrative in the US Congress and Gov't!?......Even with all this, you sit there and claim IPOB haven't taken a definitive stand on secession!? Have you no shame!? Have you no conscience!? Who's talking of some yeye and diversionary 'state police' when IPOB is talking of secession!? Mazi Kanu is a sincere person, and has only taken the stand he has taken on secession owing to the pharoic, oppressive, unyieding and anti-Igbo mindset of the hegemonic alliance (which became more insidious, sustained and concerted under the demonic Buhari gov't) who have sworn that under their watch Ndigbo will not drink water and drop cup, and that we would continue to be cheated, murdered, marginalised and denied equal status with the hegemonic alliance in Nigeria for as long as said hegemonic alliance rules the roost!

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lawani:
Well the SW has more oil than the SE so the argument of SE oil being used to sponsor SW ought to stop as SW oil is also being used to sponsor the SE. Stop that argument please. I am talking of SW versus SE in particular and not SW versus Ala Igbo or the former Eastern region. I have been here saying Lagos should shut down or disrupt port operations till they start paying them a percentage of port revenue like they pay oil states because until they do that before they are respected. This should happen if only a month before Nigeria breaks up. They took from Lagos without giving back and you are here claiming they spent money on Lagos? It is because of one Nigeria. Is it only Lagis that receives federal attention and allocations? You have federal projects in the SE.
I know and have heard of Yoruba building stadiums and schools in the SE, sponsoring football competitions and etc. I am surprised you have never heard of such. They are there only they are not loud. If you are not giving them and others anything, why should you expect anything from other places? What kind of entitlement mentality is that?. I don't support that kind of mentality. However on the overall, contest wherever you want to contest since the constitution allows it. That should be the conclusion.

In your view less than twenty million people in the SE should be entitled to the same number of slots of political posts and projects as over 55 million people in the SW and more than that in the NW and that to you is equity? I see it as injustice and if you are pursuing such vigorously it would be bullying. As it is now the SE has more than it's fair share of everything including allocations then institutions like schools and etc but all you can see is that the FG has spent too much money on Lagos when the FG has seized Lagos ports without paying them a dime from port revenue when there are countries where port revenue is a major revenue source just like oil is for some

On the overall, support the breakup of Nigeria as I am doing so that everybody can have full control over their own affairs

I really don't know if you're deliberately just being evasive or you genuinely confused and don't know WTF you're supposed to be 'arguing' anymore!

We kicked things off with me telling you your thinking of what constitutes a 'fair' allocation of appointments and funds amongst the regions was not only wicked, but also bore the hallmarks of one having a misplaced sense of entitlement and superiority over others! Can't say i'm surprised at your 'arguments' on the issue thus far! The surprise would have been if you argued on the side of justice and fairness, because that would run counter to all your hegemonic and anti-Igbo instincts. The structure and political-economy you and your northern partners enthroned in Nigeria after the counter-coup of 1966 was the beginning of the daylight robbery and display of avarice, as it was during this period a decision was made to appropriate ownership and control of the regional hydrocarbon deposits to the centre....and allocations to the regions would henceforth be determined by the centre and based on useless landmass and ojoro population! Now, at no point, not even with all the unitary constitutions you subsequently churned out, was there a understanding that the component parts (then regions and now states) would have the number of their representatives and appointees to the centre determined based on population or landmass! We are all now working with a structure, political-economy and constitution that YOU fashioned for the rest of us! You can't just wake up one morning and feel the urge to change the same 'rules' YOU initially set for the rest of us.....which we've all now been operating for decades! You can't tweak the rules decades later just because you want to grab a bit more resources and opportunities to your region and just because you want to cheat Ndigbo and show them a bit more pepper!

And why should we limit the discussion to 'south-west and south-east' when there are proud Igbo like me from the south-south whose resources you have equally used to fix up your region and yet shown me nothing but ingratitude and hatred in return!? Dude, we're talking about the resources of Ndigbo, not just the south-east, being used to develop your region FROM THE 60S TO DATE! Where did you think all that money Gowon and subsequent military despots used to fix up your region (with particular emphasis on Lagos) came from?.....The money that caused Gowon to declare that 'Nigerias' problem wasn't money, but what to do with it'!.....The money that helped build all those structures in Lagos that i referenced in my last post and helped finance the cement armada!? You think it was cocoa mony that did all that!? What jumps out from all this back-and-forth i'm having with you is just how ungrateful and hateful Nigerians with a hegemonic mindset can be! They feel they own the country, and that the rest of us exist just for their pleasure! We all saw this type of mindset with Buhari, and we're seeing it subsist with the present emilokan mob that took over from him!

This talk about you threatening to shut down port operations in Lagos is hilarious! Whatever is annoying you over Lagos ports is the result of your being clever-by-half and scheming over the past decades to ensure almost everything that makes a nation and generates wealth is sited in Lagos! You're in no position to complain about anything because it's all of your making! In any case, you can't equate whatever 'inconveniences' brought about by the man-made problem of siting Apapa and Tincan Island ports in Lagos......you can't compare that with the real and life-threatening problems faced by oil bearing communities in the Nigeri-Delta! There's is caused by the Nigerian state, and for decades they've been telling this same greedy Nigerian state to hands off and leave their oyel and gas for them, but their protestations continue to fall on deaf ears!

Can you mention some of the federal projects in the south-east?....Projects commensurate with or close to what's been done in and for your own region?

I'll tell you hear and now that the Yoruba are generally not interested in leaving 'one Nigeria', so just quit with the pretence! Your brother Igboho, who was once the poster child for secession and the realisation of Oduduwa Republic, is now singing 'on your mandate we shall stand' with gusto, and is too busy chopping from the high table of to care anymore about anything secession or Oduduwa! Probably after Tinubu has left the scene, he'll pick up the 'agitation' from where he left off!

I think what's needed here is a miracle on the scale of Jesus Christ feeding the multitude with 5 loaves and 2 fishes!

lawani:
Only less than five percent of Lagos was FCT and that should never be forgotten. Then the resources of Ala Igbo is not being used to develop Yoruba land or Lagos. Do your calculations. The SW collects oil money less than the oil and gas it produces. So the rest of Nigeria is taking oil money from Yoruba land and port revenue too as well as CIT and VAT.

I am saying if you think non Yoruba living in Lagos should be given Lagos slots then the same should apply to your own place because non indigenes live there too. Then like you say nobody is stopping the Yoruba from contesting elections in the East, nobody is stopping Igbos in the west or in Lagos in particular. They have been contesting and should continue contesting

I did not say the SW should be given anything just because of landmass but that there should be equity and if you are treating less than twenty million the same as over 50 million people then that is not equity or is it? The SW should have like three times the number of states in the SE to start with but they have almost equal.

The Yoruba are being shortchanged in Nigeria and the only advantage we have in Nigeria is that Lagos is number one but without Nigeria, Lagos or Ibadan would still have been number one in subsahara Africa. So there is nothing to point to as gain for the Yoruba in Nigeria unlike Igbos who have disproportionately high representation at the center that they are enjoying

Honestly, the way you engage in revisionism and selective amnesia just to give life to a already dead narrative is something that needs to be studied! You claim only 5% of present day Lagos was FCT! You mean up until when the federal capital moved to Abuja in the early 90s, that only 5% of present day Lagos state was FCT? Ok, let's assume for the sake of argument that you're 'right'.....that 5% you're referring to WAS developed by the federal gov't from the 60s right up to when the FCT moved, and the commonwealth of ALL Nigerians, of which a large part was sourced from Alaigbo, was used to develop it!

When we talk of federal gov't developing Lagos (whether 5% or everything), it came in two forms: physical projects; and federal gov't policies and actions.
*Some of the physical projects are: Apapa and Tincan Island ports; National Stadium; National Arts Theatre, Iganmu; Tafawa Balewa Square; Murtala Moh'd Airport; the many flyovers; 3rd Minland Bridge, Carter Bridge, etc; the many federal gov't owned buildings that helped service and maintain Lagos' dominance in national politics and economy, like the CBN building, Stock Exchange building, National Assembly, 1004 flats, federal secretariate, NECOM House...initially known as NET building, Dodan Barracks, etc.
*The federal gov't policies and actions that brought disproportionate socio-economic benefits to Lagos and led to its becoming the economic and (then) political capital of Nigeria are: the obvious one of keeping Lagos as the capital after independence; promoting and funding Apapa and Tincan Island ports over others in other coastal cities of the country; promoting and funding Murtala Moh'd Airport over other major airports in other regions of the country; siting financial institutions (public and gov't owned) headquarters and nation building institutions in Lagos while relegating major cities in other regions to the back burner (perhaps only Kaduna got a near level of favoured status and attention as Lagos...for obvious reasons); causing ALL foreign Embassies and High Commissions to be sited in Lagos and as a consequence forcing Nigerians from other parts of the country to head to Lagos for visa application and issuance (and this one had a complimentary relationship with the then only international airport in the country, making Lagos indispensable for any Nigerian seeking to travel abroad or coming back into the country); etc!
So you see, ignoring the aforementioned benefits and preferred status Lagos got over and above cities in other regions, and claiming that Lagos is what it is today owing mainly to the sophistication and ingenuity of the Yoruba, is at best a misleading narrative!

If we're to have a frank assessment of what the south-west as a region has benefitted from Nigeria both financially and by way of policies and actions of the federal gov't, vis-à-vis what the rest of Nigeria (with particular reference to the south-east and south-south) have benefitted in return from the south-west, you'd find that the rest of Nigeria has been left holding the short end of the stick! Just my local gov't alone, ONELGA IN Rivers state, is known for having one of the highest yielding onshore deposits of oyel and gas, and has given Nigeria billions of dollars in revenue from the 70s to date!

Pray, can you mention any significant social or economic contribution the Yoruba ethnicity has made to any town or state in the south-east....or any notable Yoruba demographic in the region wrthy of mention to warrant Ndigbo giving them one of the 5 appointive slots you've deigned to throw our way? We're all here to learn so maybe there's something we're missing that you could enlighten us on!

You say 'no one is stopping the Igbo from voting or being voted for in the south-west'! Please tell me you're joking! I can provide conclusive proof to the contrary if you want me to, but for now i think i'll hod my fire on this one!

You're idea of what constitutes 'equity' is warped, laughable and only serves to further your own ethnic agenda! According to you and your northern co-travellers, states and regions with more population should derive more political and economic benefits over those with less! You also have a similar 'argument' for landmass! But when it comes to the oyel and gas in my land, all of a sudden the rules change and you now declare that it belongs to the hegemonic controlled federal gov't for them to divvy up as they see fit. The demands of the oil producing communities and states for resource ownership and control, that they've been making for decades now (even way before the time of Ken Saro-Wiwa), have fallen on deaf ears because, unlike useless landmass and useless population, resource ownership and control doesn't disproportionately favour the hegemonic establishment so it's only fit for the dustbin!

When representatives of the three regions were going to Lancaster House in London pre-independence to discuss the kind of structure and constitution to adopt at independence, were they going as equals or did those with larger landmass and population have more of a say and a higher status over regions with less? Fact of the matter is, this reference to yeye landmass and population (population figures that have been doctored and cooked every census since the 60s to date) as a means of determining allocation of national resources and political appointments to regions/states is a hallmark of the present political-economy and was invented by the hegemonic alliance to grab more benefits from the centre for themselves!

Ibadanfarmroad:
where was fairness when Jonathan gave every juicy position to igbos ?

In a dispensation in which the Igbo was not Vice-President; was not Senate president; was not Speaker of the House of Represenratives; was not Chief Justice of Nigeria, was not head of NNPC, was not head of Customs; was not Chief of Staff to the President; was not head of INEC.....i could go on and on dude! Pray tell, what 'every juicy position was given to Igbos' are you talking of exactly? Juxtapose that dispensation in which you accuse GEJ of 'giving every juicy position to Ndigbo' to the present dispensation under your godfather and tribal bigot-in-chief Tinubu.....compare both and tell us what you discover! In any case, assuming, without conceeding, that GEJ was 'guilty' of sidelining your own Yoruba ethnicity, are you now 'justifying' Tinubus' obvious expression of deepseated hatred towards Ndigbo and his sidelining and relegating them in a presidency you lot claim is 'southern turn'....are you 'justifying' this because of what you claim GEJ (who last i checked is Ijaw and not Igbo) did to the Yoruba?...Basically, visiting punishment for the 'sins' of GEJ on the Igbo!

Methinks owing to your unfavourable sentiments towards Ndigbo, you viewed any and every position they got during the GEJ tenure through the prism of hate, envy and bitterness! This now led you to erroneously believe they need to be dealt with and punished when next a Yoruba becomes president!

SadiqBabaSani:
he will shift it again, you see this people that supported Buhari and now Tinubu they are not okay

Hehehehehe

They continuosly move the goalposts till the narrative they're championing is captured!

bewisemasses:
That statement nothing will happen is the major problem with Nigeria.
This is anarchy brewing

So true! It's a off-shoot of the docility and politics of hate, envy and thuggery that's the hallmark of a lot of Nigerians! The same people that rig elections then turn around and arrogantly tell you 'go to court' knowing they've got the court angle covered are the same schmucks that will cheer and support that statement!

So what happened to the super tucanos we were told would be the gamechanger in the fight against terrorism? How many of them have been deployed for counter-terrorism operations?

lawani:
How many slots are you ready to give the millions of other ethnicities residing in the East out of the five that you truly deserve if the SW has 14? I am not saying Igbos should not be given SW slots but are you ready to give Yoruba SE slots? The Yoruba in a place like Anambra have numbers to hold a rep seat and some local government chairmen. Not to talk of Rivers and other places.

Leave Lagos, Oyo and Ogun combined are more than 150 percent of the SE in landmass and they have a higher population than the zone. Do you agree Oyo and Ogun should be five states?

The only way out or way forward is to split the country because the injustice is just too much

Dude, on what basis are you asking for appointive slots for the Yoruba in the south-east? Or is this just you trying to be annoying and clutching at more straws to try and keep your drowning 'argument' afloat?

In my last reply, i specifically mentioned Lagos as being that one state that has not only substantially increased the overall population of the south-west region, but has also substantially helped catalyse and galvanise the regions economy! Lagos being what it is today owes largely to the national political-economy and status-quo in place and sustained from the late 60s to date! As a consequence, i was limiting my argument to just Lagos and asking why you see nothing wrong in all its appointive positions at the national level being filled by just your own ethnic stock when the city is a cosmopolitan melting-pot consisting of ALL ethnic groups and whose economy and infrastructure was built and sustained by the human and natural resources of ALL Nigerians and ALL regions of the country....especially the Niger-Delta where i'm from (ONELGA in Rivers state)! Since the 70s to date, a large part of the proceeds of oil and gas exploitation from Alaigbo has gone into building infrastructure in Lagos and sustaining its predominant socio-economic position in Nigeria! Now can you point to any similar scenario in the Eastern-Region/south-east in which a city or component part of the region owes its economic emergence and dominance to human and/or natural resources of the Western-Region/south-west? If you can't, why then do you think any Yoruba deserves, as a matter of right or justice, to get one of the few appointive slots of the south-east remaining for us? Now don't get me wrong! In a fair, just and inclusive situation, i wouldn't mind a Yoruba, or anyone from any other ethnicity for that matter, that has lived and integrated themselves into the south-east region taking one of the appointive slots for the region at national level. But the scenario would have to be one based on equality and justice for all component parts of the country, or a scenario in which a city or state in the south-east (say Enugu for instance) owes its socio-economic development in large part to the human and natural resources of the other ethnicity in question and has a significant demographic of said ethnicity domiciled in Enugu, doing business there and contributing to its economy as is the case with the Igbo in Lagos and their hydrocarbon resources being used to develop the city.

You're starting to muddle up issues. No one stopped any Yoruba or anyone from any other ethnicity living in the south-east from going for elective positions either at the sate or national level. If they believe their candidacy is sellable to the electorate, they should come out, stand for election and canvass for votes. No one will stop them. Rather, what we're talking about here is NUMBERS OF SLOTS FOR APPOINTIVE POSITIONS FROM EACH REGION AT NATIONAL LEVEL, and why one region should claim to be 'superior' to another then go on to grab more slots at national level based on such a spurious claim! Just why TF should any region in Nigeria accept to be subservient to another.....especially when that other is only leveraging on the benefits derived by virtue of them and their hegemonic allies fashioning a political-economy and status-quo primarily favourable to said hegemonic partnership to the relegation of everyone else? Because this is exactly what's playing out in Nigeria today....more so when your 'argument' on the distribution of appointive slots for each of the 6 region at national level is taken into consideration.

You see what i mean when i say you pick and choose to promote only parts of the argument that favours your ethnic agenda. You claim the south-west is more than two times the size of the south-east in landmass and as a consequence would be justified in getting more slots and benefits at national level that reflects said difference. Now lemme ask you....if we're to go along with your logic of landmass, pray tell, why is a state like Lagos producing the same number of senators and house or reps members with a much larger states like say Borno or Niger? Based on your 'argument', shouldn't Borno and Niger produce more senators and house of reps members? You see how easy it is to trip over your own arguments when you're not on the side of truth and justice?

If you as a Yoruba man is screaming injustice in a 'one Nigeria' currently operating a political-economy and status-quo fashioned by YOUR OWN FOREBEARS together with their northern allies, wetin you wan make me as Igbo man do? Between you and me who should really be screaming injustice? Check between both ethnicities, who has produced the most presidents/heads-of-state, vice-presidents, chief justices of the federation, chiefs of army staff, heads of customs, minister of FCT....positions that matter in the country! You could argue that Igbo have also produced presidents of the senate, and you'd be right. But a nuanced assessment would reveal those positions were filled at the time by Ndigbo (note this was before APC arrived the scene in 2015) owing to power-sharing arrangements of the political elite of the time! That was a time Ndigbo were still given a little modicum of respect, consideration and inclusion in national politics and governance, which is a far cry from what is the case today under your Buhari/Tinubu/APC gov't. So given all that's transpired in Nigeria from the late 60s to date, Yoruba and Fulani hegemonic acolytes and sympathisers like you should be the last people to be shouting injustice!

Hehehehehe

Seems the other side are done with playing the part of the gentleman! Finally realising the level of thuggery and criminality starring them in the face, they've taken off their designer jacket and climbed into the ring to take Wike on man-to-man in a bare knuckle fight!

vanbonattel:
The south south are always being cheated by every government, I wonder why we are not protesting this on the national assembly.

Hehehehe

Bros, have you seen the motley crew of deplorables representing you at the national assembly lately? All having a selfish, slavish, stockholm-syndrome mentality and beholden to their godfather in Aso-Rock! Good luck getting them to speak up for the interests of the long-suffering peoples of the 'south-south'!

lawani:
What are you talking about? Is a zone with 55 million people supposed to share something equally with a zone of less than twenty million people? NIN statistics apart from other statistics like voters registration show these things. The SE as a whole is eighty percent of Lagos state by population. Oyo and Ogun alone surpass the population of the SE. How then do you think the Nigerian arrangement is fair to the NW and SW? We are not talking of tax yet o!!

The thing with your sort is when you're looking for straws to clutch on to in your bid to try and defend the indefensible, you either suffer from selective amnesia or you unashamedly tell half-truths! You're always quick to try and 'justify' cheating, lust for power, greed, nepotism and tribalist tendencies and you have zero sense of fairness, justice or even shame while you're at it! Had it been just the Igbo accusing you emilokan acolytes of imbalance and unfairness in your appointments at the federal level, you could trot out your usual accusation of Ndigbo juts being 'petty and sore election losers'! But virtually ALL other regions/ethnicities have accused you of this....not just the Igbo, so there has to be some truth in their accusation! Instead of you to have some introspection and be guided by what's left of your conscience, you instead resort to digging in to your position and insisting you've done nothing wrong!

The reasonable and fair-minded likes of Dele Farotimi, Fawehinmi and Fela (just noticed all their names begin with the letter F....could this have some sort of significance in the cosmic and metaphysical realm? ) have convinced me Yoruba with selfish, materialistic, unfair and hateful character traits common to the emilokan brigade are the noisy minority and are not a reflection of the wider ethnic stock!

I started by pointing out how you resort to half-truths, revisionism and outright lies in a bid to try and 'justify' the type of winner-takes-all politics you engage in! This was on display in the kind of 'argument' you were making to 'justify' why your south-west should get 14 or 15 ministerial slots, based on their population, while the south-east (which last time i checked is supposed to be equal and not subservient to any other region) should get just 5. I take it all those 14 or 15 slots you propose for the south-west will be filled by Yoruba? Would it be a fair assessment to say the large population you attribute to the south-west owes largely to Lagos state? If you answer in the affirmative, can we then also say the large Lagos population is a result of its multi-ethnic and cosmopolitan nature which in turn is a off-shoot of the political-economy in place from the late 60s to present which has dispproportionately favoured Lagos over other cities in other regions? If once again you answer in the affirmative, i would hope you would now begin to see where i'm heading with this? I mean...do you still wanna argue that your south-west should fill 14 to 15 ministerial slots (all made up of your Yoruba ethnicity) while the south-east are given only 5? In light of how i just tried to explain the injustice in your argument, most people holding on to such a position and who still have some sense of fairness, justice and a modicum of shame would apologise profusely and repent, but given the much i know of you.....i'm not holding my breath!

lawani:
If population were considered then the SW should have 2.8 times the number of ministers of the SE but Nigeria is what it is

Not surprised my reply to your post was conveniently hidden by the anti spambot. I anticipated that happening so i saved my post. We can open a new thread on this issue if you like....where you can't hide behind anti spambot to avoid dfending your jaundiced position! One only needs to take a cursory look at your recent post history to know what you're all about and your purpose on this forum!

Lucas4903:
If u don’t live in Umuahia u will not feel the policies of this administration. The women in the interior villages and Farmers are still struggling to bring their good to Umuahia and this Buffon thinks he has delivered. He is thriving on Social Media cos of the idiots called Obidients. He just wants them to ask questions to massage his ego. Mtchewwww

Your emilokan minion status and frustration is discernible! Why don't you leave governance affairs in Abia to ndi-Abia and rather concentrate on getting good governance and accountability from your godfather Tinubu and the governor of whatever south-west state you come from!?

edogu:
From the question alone, it's obvious the journalist has an ulterior motive.

Thank you! From some really daft responses on this thread, you can guess who sent him!

Lanretoye:
Can you imagine simple question,instead of him to answer he started raining insult on the journalist…typically egoistic and intolerant people ,a state governor for that matter.is there any governor that is not constructing roads or offering free education?,if that’s what he wants so show as a working then it’s a pity.
Imagine sanwo Olu,soludo or any other APC governor speak to journalist like that,headless mobs won’t rest

Governor Otti is spot on! The silly journalist could have at least come with his own studies that point to failures or stagnation in whatever areas he's concerned about! Nobody gives a fck about your Tinubu puppet Olu and your cho cho cho kiss-ass efulefu Soludo!

CodeTemplarr:
I hope thats never truee

If you were a betting man, would you bet against this report being true?

PDPdestroyer:
The irony is that the people responsible for this are the same people shouting and blackmailing everyone, without acknowledging the role their criminal brothers played in this

Quit speaking in parables! Who are 'the people responsible' for your Nigerian passport carrying last? You tell us!

QuinQQ:
Do you know the meaning of the word, gangster?
Which gang were Bonnie n Clyde members of??

I think you're just being unnecessarily pedantic! The word gangster has now evolved to mean much more than belonging to a criminal group, and now equally captures the actions and criminal disposition of the individual!

In any case, if we go along with your line of reasoning, Bonnie and Clyde could equally be said to be gang members of a two-man gang since there was two of them! Their story inspired this song by Beyonce and Jay-Z:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl5t3TyP8aY?si=qvH3WmzfjCh4LI0d

How can you forget to add Bonnie and Clyde!?

A4alpha:
Don't waste your time defending anything some deluded individuals who could not read but already had a premeditated response from biased mindset yap.
What the Caucasian said is nothing but the truth but it's amazing that those he is trying to help are too bigotry to reason, blind to see and bigoted to fault that they hate the sound of the massage.

I read whole massage and there's nothing surprising here, it is what we see on daily bases so no biggy.

Ain't it funny how a foreigner from afar can identify what's ailing us as a country and can see the reason why Nigeria has been stuck in a rut from the late 60s to date, but supposedlly 'sensible Nigerians' cannot and are perfectly ok carrying on with the status-quo as is!

budaatum:
I can't help feel he is generalising us all from a few ignorant people he met.

In Nigeria, the actions of 'a few ignorant people' are a reflection of the generality of the populace! So just admit it, the generality of Nigerians are the problem! From the generality arises the particular....a country's leadership cannot be seperated from or rise above the capacities of the generality of its people! If a people are generally docile, lazy, bigoted, tribalist, have a rent-seeking and rankadede attitude, a misplaced sense of entitlement, no sense of justice and fairness, and are generally daft, these unwholesome attributes will invariably be reflected in it's governance, politics and leadership recruitment process!

Nigerians, at least the honest ones desirous of a working, prosperous and true nation, are yet to fully appreciate what they're up against in Tinubu and his band of urban bandits! With this lot holding Nigeria hostage, the phrase rigging with impunity has taken on a whole new meaning!

Mrexcell:
Get some sense pls how can the LP that has no governor or nass members in 2023 be able to have such might to do what you are insinuating here? We all saw what wike openly did in rivers to make tinibu win yet shameless hypocrites like u choosed to be ignorant and blind to it.

The question they can't answer is...why would Peter Obi and his then party and followers be so desperate to rig in the south-east? What would they have been afraid of.....that, but for 'rigging', Buhari or Tinubu were poised to sweep to 'victory' in the region or what exactly!?

Zionmdde:
So only 45 was recorded in lagos right?
And upon all wike did, rivers alone was less than 25

Am not here to convince you to stop lying to yourself

Try to forgive him! It's obvious that in desperation they've now ramped up operations at their rumour/lie mill headquarters! Everyone honest with themselves knows that 'report' is bullshit! The south-east conducts relatively peaceful elections, and most of the few instances of election violence recorded in the region have their root cause from outside forces either trying to subdue the region or influence things! Just the other day, deaths were recorded amongst APC thugs in the south-west, but since it didn't happen in the south-east, the news almost went unnoticed!

Tell him to mention recorded instances of this 'election violence' in the south-east in the run-up to the 2023 elections and on election day, then watch him stall or disappear! Every keen observer of the period in question knows what happened especially in Lagos and Rivers states! These emilokan apostles are pure evil!

truthera:
Pathetic! Keep deceiving, lying to yourself, keep supporting injustice and also clap for yourself while doing so.... These terrorists you are supporting will soon invade your village....

Just ignore his ilk....they can't help themselves! Their hatred for anything Igbo and love for power and 'one Nigeria' has led to them abandoning the little sense of justice they had left!

fuckingAyaya:
We warned them but they called us wailers, tomorrow they will dish out fake statistics to fool the gullible followers.

Any fool that helped bring in APC in 2015 should hang their head in shame and just know they have the blood of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, on their hands! Those still shouting 'renewed hope' are demonic! The pics showing those poor kids broke my heart! Just imagine A WHOLE NIGERIA that has oil and gas just as the likes of UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait have, has vast human resources, and claims to have Forbes-rated billionaires all over the place.....imagine such a Nigeria starving those poor kids! When i say i despise Nigeria and everything to do with it, you can begin to see where i'm coming from!

gideonvalor98:
If not because of FG, do you know death toll in southeast will have passed the 1840 recorded? Not to even say say the incidents IS from your own children.

Bullshit! You talking of the same vile APC controlled FG that's responsible for the rise of insecurity in the south-east in the first place!?

PresidentMUGABE:
South East is the only safe place in Nigeria presently.......





The only people and tribe that can visit their village....

Remember you're talking of the same south-east that's still in 'one Nigeria' and subject to the same useless, compromised, infiltrated and ethnicised security outfits as every other region in the country! No one is safe until they're in control of their own security and destiny! But for the grace of God, what happened to this traditional ruler could happen to any other traditional ruler in the south-east or south-south!

loveth360:
Since you know our people will vote against it,why not your Nigeria government conduct referendum and use it bury IPOB and Biafra agitation?


Instead they are spending billions fighting against Ipob and Biafra agitation.

Precisely! They claim there's no desire in Igboland or the so called 'south-south' for secession, yet when you suggest they conduct referendum on the matter, they look for where they kept their gun!