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frosbel:
Of course he fled into exile from the deranged regime of your brother Ahmadinejad .

Many Iranians scientists, poets etc flee Iran to safeguard their lives.

Think before posting, duh !!

If I call you an idiot it would be mere repetition of what some others have said over and over gain. There is a big chance you don't even have a job. The time you have spent arguing Arab/Isreal on this site would have made anyone $100 by now.

What makes you think he was not abducted, as usual you would always jump to your subconscious white supremacist believe, that the west is always right. Still an idiot anyway.

The Iranian government says it has evidence that one of its nuclear scientists was abducted and is being held in the US against his will.

Shahram Amiri disappeared a year ago while on a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

A video broadcast by Iranian TV purports to show Mr Amiri saying he was kidnapped and is living in Arizona.

Hours later, another video posted on YouTube appeared to show the scientist saying he was happy in America. The US denied abducting him. 

In the video shown on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting network, the man says he was forced to say he defected with a laptop full of evidence about Iran's nuclear secrets and that he was being used to put pressure on Iran.  

The same old CIA games of abduction, secret spies and assassination is back. 

Now we understand what dear Mr. Obama calls diplomatic approach towards Iran's nuclear program. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10264193.stm

Sagamite:
Individual actions is best clarified in some cases, instead of wanton, simplistic brushing that might mislead away from the rightful categorisation.

You just expose yourself the more, now tell us all the times Isreal has applied terror and times they have not applied terror, then come up with a name for them, ohhh let me help you:

Sometimesterrorist

My friend go and sit down.

Sagamite:
It is your lack of comprehension that is a problem.

At that point your very correct, I dont make it a duty of trying to understand rubbish.

I think your trying to push the wall now, look my friend there is nothing like a sometimes terrorism.

Terrorism is terrorism at all times and whoever applies the act of terror is a terrorist period.

Good day.

Sagamite:
FACT: Hamas are terrorists and Isreal is a State Terrorist a lot of times.

You may go on and explain your nonsence. 

Let me tell you why what you have written is straight nonsence.

Terrorism: the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion.

So if I apply the act of terror to coerce my enemies last week and wait till next month to apply it again, there is nothing like being a terrorist sometimes, its just down right terrorism.

So correct your statement and dont try to explain away rubbish:

Sagamite:
FACT: Hamas are terrorists and Isreal is a State Terrorist a lot of times.

Sagamite:
FACT: Hamas are terrorists and Isreal is a State Terrorist a lot of times.

Another meaningles statement, this guys will not kill me. 

Define Terrorism, after that tell us how you could be a terrorist at one time and not at some other time.

frosbel:
Now I know you have lost the plot

lol Frosbel your mad, he said I lost the plot, okay you show me the graph.

frosbel:
I suggest you learn the facts and stop using slogans from the media. The blockade on Gaza is international! Egypt has a boarder with Gaza and is doing the same things. Everyone in the region are afraid of having an Iranian port in Gaza - this is exactly what will happen once the blockade is removed. The blockade was put with the backing of EU countries. The British Navy committed to help as well (though has done nothing yet to prevent arm smuggling into Gaza).

Frosbel you are mad. Simply

British Foreign secretary 'deplores Gaza aid ship deaths'

Mr Hague called for limits on aid for Gaza to be lifted.

Do you think we all live in your village where you can come up with all sort of lies and we will swallow it. I was right in the first place of calling you a lesser mind and ignoring your post.

frosbel:
@Ikomi, Beaf, Afam ( copy cat ) - enough of your silly remarks which are based on ignorance of the facts and reality. ENOUGH.

The blockade is there to ensure no military equipment or which can be used for military purposes get into Gaza. If all of the Gaza population are Hamas terrorists than the blockade is a "massive collective punishment" as you put it. But as we all know, not all of people in Gaza are Hamas terrorists, the blockade is not affecting all of them. Yes, there are those who are affected due to dual-use materials that are not allowed in, but it is not a collective punishment. It is called collateral damage. All countries act like that. Gaza is not unique. What do you think happens when the West is not allowing dual-use materials to get into Iran due to their nuclear programme?

The population in Gaza have all the food and peaceful needs they require (apart from those dual - use as discussed earlier). There is no humanitarian crisis there and most of the "aid" transferred in this flotilla was not even required. Hamas is not even allowing it to enter.

I suggest you learn the facts and stop using slogans from the media. The blockade on Gaza is international! Egypt has a boarder with Gaza and is doing the same things. Everyone in the region are afraid of having an Iranian port in Gaza - this is exactly what will happen once the blockade is removed. The blockade was put with the backing of EU countries. The British Navy committed to help as well (though has done nothing yet to prevent arm smuggling into Gaza).

Stop the hypocrisy regarding Israel who only wants to protect its citizens. Take the threat away from Israel and you will get a cooperative friend. As long as everyone in the region is threatening Israel's existence, Israel has no choice but to defend itself. Blockade is just one tool.

Lastly, the economy in Gaza is shuttered mainly due to the people of Gaza themselves. Before 1996 when Hamas started with suicide bombings inside Israel, the boarder was 100% open and 40% of Gaza working population used to cross everyday to work in Israel. Gradually, since the number of workers from Gaza allowed to work has been reduced due to their own actions. Since 2005 when Israel left Gaza for good, the boarded is closed. Why the Europeans are not helping them to build businesses? Maybe Hamas is not interested? Think about it.

When Israel left Gaza, it left behind green houses and other equipment that the Israeli settlers used to create one of the finest produce (when later sold to Europe). What did Hamas made of it? Terror camps.

Facts do not hurt if you know them. They open up the mind. You should try it once in a while.

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I know this is what you have always wanted, for me and you to engage in endless rhetoric that will lead no where.

It has been tested, tried and proved that the only way a man can guarantee his own freedom is to ensure his neighbours financial, economic and political freedom, the same goes for nations.

This is what happened in South Africa, it happened in Ireland just to name a few.

The UN, EU who has been through that process has asked Israel to lift its blockade, but a nation that has hardliners as leaders would rather drive its own people to the extreme.

Don't wonder why I call you a lesser mind, but if it is those little quibbles of past events you want to drive me into to exhibit your understanding of what Glenn Beck has taught you on Fox News, Frosbel you would not find me.

Mariory:
I laugh as I watch people try to spin the truth. It really is amazing. Anyways the ship has been towed to Israel with no violence. This will make some people very angry.

This is the whacked sentiment people try to profer that just does not ryhme, who has called for violence, the aim is calling to attetion the fact that the Isreali imposed blockade of Gaza is illegal.

If anyone wanted violence they would have fitted machine guns to their boats, why are these littel things so hard for you guys to understand.

frosbel:
Ikomi in all fairness, you are abjectly ignorant on the article you posted.

You really need some education on the facts and historical evidence. Stop all this childish banter and meaningless angry rubbish !

Me Ikomi angry at an utter irreparable nuisance. Frosbel you may try alleviating your position again, I got better things to do with time than converse with lesser minds.

frosbel:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUUgRnXZ9I&hl=en[/flash]

Only FOOLs and Israel haters will watch this video and still support the terrorists !

May your lies know no end. Well edited stage played video. Little wonder how people could be brain washed, it only takes a willling mind who wants to be brain washed.

When someone starts posting Fox News as his major source for news, that is a good sign he is deranged.

Especially listening to Glenn Beck the same guy that compared Obama with Hitler and called him racist.

Frosbel ur sick.

frosbel:
An ignorant man will always resort to abuse when he loses an arguement !

If you noticed I took your first statement as a joke, thinking it was coming from a misinformed or jocular person, but I noticed you were trying to turn a stupid statement into that of fact so am calling your lunacy thats all.

frosbel:
What I am saying is that we all know Netanyahu lost a brother years ago during a successful raid on Entebe, but the fact is that he has gotten over than episode decades ago.

All Netanyahu is currently trying to achieve is to guarantee the security of his people !

Ohh well now I know your a sick mind, at least we all now know that you and Netanyahu communicate on a one-to-one basis and he personally told you what he has gotten over and what he has not, or that you read his emotion in one of your direct talks with him. Idiot.

frosbel:
What insinuated anger are you talking about ?

See what beer parlour talk can do to some people's analysis of real issues ? lol.

Ur a sick mind, what do you understand by the post you condemn.

frosbel:
Netanyahu , do the right thing.

Tow the ship back to Ashdod, arrest the terrorists 'peace activists ' and deport them back to where they came from.

lol Frosbel your sick.  

Afam:
I think his only brother was killed as a mercenary in Africa, remember 90 minutes at Entebbe?

Yonatan Netanyahu

That does not explains his strong hardline position, as it should also be known to him as a leader of a people that two wrongs can never make a right.

His wisdom as a leader should supersede the anger he bears inside. I respect every leader though as it is never an easy position to get to, but a leaders time in office tells if the time and effort he spent to get to the position was worth it.

@Beaf

There is going to be a showdown by the looks of it. Israel is caught between a rock and a hard place.

If they allow the ship through it shows Hamas how weak Israel could be, if they don't many activists in the world would come down on Israel. Well Israel brought it on itself by being stubborn, the UN has urged it to peacefully lift the blockade years ago. Lets just see what happens, a few days would answer.

Israel has made it clear it will not allow the ship - named after a US college student who was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer as she protested about house demolitions in Gaza - to dock in the Palestinian territory.

Would there be another showdown, or would the world watch as Isreal turns the sole dictator in the Middleeast.

Questions to be answered in a few days.

Meanwhile, the MV Rachel Corrie aid ship is heading towards the coast of Gaza, aiming to break the Israeli blockade.

Activists on board told the BBC's Andrew North in Jerusalem by telephone that they were about 150 miles (240km) away and aimed to arrive just outside Israel's 20-mile (30km) exclusion zone off Gaza by Saturday morning.

They said there were 20 people on board, including five Irish nationals, six Malaysians and nine crew members.

One of the activists, former Nobel peace prize winner Mairead Corrigan Maguire, said their humanitarian aid shipment included cement and construction materials - items banned by Israel.

Israel has made it clear it will not allow the ship - named after a US college student who was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer as she protested about house demolitions in Gaza - to dock in the Palestinian territory.

The Israeli government has instead offered to take the aid in by land, once it has checked there is nothing in the shipment that can be used for weapons.

After Monday's deadly assault on the six other aid ships, Israel's response is being closely watched, our correspondent says.

Mairead Corrigan Maguire told him that they planned to sail all the way into Gaza, but would show no resistance or violence if Israeli forces stopped them and boarded the ship.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10236884.stm

otawa:
Conclusion:

Looking back, Hitler was very right.

That is all I can say.

LOL

He saw the evil in them. Ask yourself who killed Jesus Christ the most known figure in the world today.

ElRazur:
That is not taking sides or welcoming the death or "unarmed" civilians, but being objective, non-bias. That is my point, that you so far have refused to recognise.

I wonder why you always put a smile at the end of your post possibly your view sounds good to you and you alone.

Let me in one sentence tell you what you are saying:

I do not support the killing of innocent civilians on international waters, however there are background issues which brought this incident about.

I am making it clear to you, background issues or not, the killing is unjustified, and am afraid your just bent on standing on a fence and putting your ear to the ground, which is somewhat an impossible task.

You cannot claim to be un-biased while not totally condemning an act of piracy and murder, as the investigation will soon declare.

I am not ready for another fruitless effort of round tripping. Good day.

ElRazur:
Israel did ask them to go through proper channels, but as to why this was not heeded is something that is there for people to make their own mind on. The vessel setting sail do not just happen in a day, things have to be uploaded, logistics made etc. And in the meantime, talks going on to avert this sort of mess.

Look there are two things I want to make you understand:

1. There is no background issue that justifies killing of innocent citizens on international waters.

2. Isreal imposed an illegal blockade on Gaza, and truly has no right to tell any harmless individual how to get to Gaza. That is the point this convoy is trying to make and somehow they have succeded.

If you agree with those two points, then truly as you said we have no argument here.

The crazy thing was that there were even Jews on these ships. The Zionist regime has just shot itself on the foot.

Let me tell you, you and your Isrealis better get ready to kill more innocent citizens cause the move now would be to send all aid in from many nations, lets see how many background issues you can come up with.

ElRazur:
Again, it is bad. I cannot stress that enough. Once again, we need to look at the bigger picture. How do you propose fences can be mend?

For example, these problems goes deeper than the incident reported here, but as it stand focus is mainly on the incident at hand. We have done this before and am not sure it's got us no where. I.e a comprehensive approach is needed as for every reaction, there was something that led to that in the first place.

Once again I have stated that I regret the loss of lives, and the whole situation as it stand looks bad, but one cannot just say that without looking at the various background issue to it.

And all am trying to make you undestand is that there is practically no background issue, including those we know and those we dont know that is only known to Mr ElRazur that justifies the killing of innocent citizens on international waters.

What would have been the reaction if it was the other way round lets imagine it was Iran that carried out this atrocity would we be looking at background issues?

ElRazur:
Another thing I was just thinking is that those known peace protesters on board, may not be aware of the whole situation. For example, they may have been assured no weapons were on board etc. But reports coming out, says other wise.

They may have lend their names and what not in good faith, but like I said the motives of the whole aid convoy looks suspicious from where I stand. Like someone said before, let them do this kind of thing to say Dafur - and perhaps they would not have followed the proper channels?

Just a thought.

Dont try to make things up, one of the occupants on the ship is just speaking on BBC, she said they were expecting Isreali soldiers to board and do a peaceful check but from the air dropping from there helicopters they opened fire.

ElRazur dont try to make things up.

ElRazur:
Have stated before Piracy may not be applicable to here. I am not legal eagle, however I do share this point. UK patrols board ships and intercept them before the even reach UK waters. Should that be piracy? Russsia do the same is that Piracy too? Iran have boarded suspect boat in international waters [and with very good reason too].

I answered that question above if you were reading and not biased.

Here it is again:

Ikomi:
Now lets even imagine that there was to be a check which was practically unnecesary as they were informed this convoy would be coming through, they could as well have warned that they would like to come on board to do a check.

But to kill 20 unarmed men is just sending a clear message that Isreal would not tolerate any aid for Gaza citizens.

ElRazur:
From the way it stands, the use of weapons on "unarmed" civilians is bad. Very bad. However, one can make a point that if proper channels was followed - i.e not trying to undermine the routine in which aids are let in - it could have possibly prevented this?

The deaths would be investigated, and like I have said before. It is early days and more news will be coming out. So far, it looks very bad for Israel.

By the way, the killing of 20 people, do not in my opinion suggest they do not want aid in. After all, aids was getting in all along, but slowly. I instead, see it as "do not confront us and follow the right channels" but then this is my view and my view only.

What is bad is bad there is no going round it with unneccessary argument, no matter what has been there is no reason for killing 20 unarmed citizens of the world. Turkey, Irish and Swedish.

I just hope you guys that want to always side with evil dont  allow what you preach descend on you. If you agree its bad there is no argument round it. At what point do we start mending fences, must we always relate to what has passed and that because of this or that then innocent people have to be killed.  

ElRazur:
By the way boarding of a ship in international waters amount to piracy

Period.

The illegal blockade was to punish Gaza residents for electing Hamas, there has been no easy route into Gaza, and who is Isreal to tell the world what route to take to get to Gaza as long as it not through Isreali, airspace, waters or land.

Now lets even imagine that there was to be a check which was practically unnecesary as they were informed this convoy would be coming through, they could as well have warned that they would like to come on board to do a check.

But to kill 20 unarmed men is just sending a clear message that Isreal would not tolerate any aid for Gaza citizens.

There were even Irish and Swedish citizen onboard those ships, are we now all terrorist as long as we dont agree to Isrealis view?

They are here.

Isreal stages a blockade which is Illegal and kills 20 unarmed activists on international waters, not even in there territory, what right does Isreali soldiers have boarding the ship on internatinal waters, do you guys ever ask questions?

爱:
Dis is truly madness Y should the international community tolerate this i cant believe wat i am seeing on Al jazeera. Israel should be punished for for its excesses ,

You wait there are some people who would come in soon to tell us they (Isreal) has the right to commit any atrocity since they are Gods chosen people. I hope they are bold enough to come out this time and tell us what harm a Turkey ship could possibly do to Israeli soldiers.

ode remo:
@ikomi, don't be bemused at the audacity of this politician at raising even the most ludicrous bond or financing one inferior project. the way way they go about it is using bank in which they have large shareS ,in buying these ridiculous bonds. by so doing they become beneficiary and the state is in their pocket. guess who now owns WEMA BANK?

That is more like fraud, although I suspected that, how greedy this people can be, how greedy, such that it is turning to absolute madness.