Hkana:


Sub han Allah! I've been thinking about this ayah lately and it's relationship with the Surah "Ilafi" cos I've this recollection of both being recited together.

Yeah! They have some identical properties even numerically viz:- huruf of li ilafi is 78, NV of LAQAD JA‘A KUM 8070 which also equals 78 alphabetically by place value.

Empiree:
Lol. She really wanted to be friend and wanted to be seen too. But she said they have to get a white dish and a virgin lady to look into it. Thats how she could be seen in her true form. I eschewed to say this earlier so ppl dont start to think like

There is nothing wrong with exploration to see what Allah created. So my papa tried it but the virgin lady fainted upon sighting her. The "iyalode" laughed. She is pure yoruba jinn. She was friendly really. If some ppl read this now, they start saying "this is shirk". Rather this is just fun on the side btw them

Exactly! Let those who want to be stagnant remain so.

Let them continue “shirking“

Osheeeey @empiree

You go fear analysis now, you nailed it!

But it wasnt in order to test. Because the issue concerned MARY (as) & as you know the other faith has got interests, there are also issues of sighting “her“ by the catholics. So, I sensed we need to collectively clarified some not so clear matters of dream or else it might turn to something else.

Whatever it is, that might mislead or cause confusion out of misconception, even if it is right, should be avoided.

But Imam hanbal saw with his inner eyes now & not his physical eyes. That verse, nay sharia as a whole only applies in this physical world.

#I trust @ dua & subsidy...no time.

Hkana:


Lol. I thought about that too... Illusions and the likes.

Abeg, epp me

That article you're sharing on verse of concern piqued my interest. Do share more as we're waiting.
PS: what's the verse of concern?

The last two verses of chapter 9 a.k.a LAQAD JA‘A KUM

....VERSE OF CONCERN Cont‘d

“ what sent you into penury ? He said the only thing he could decipher is that through out this year he has being reciting the verse of concern 7x morning & evening. The man said what ? Leave it! For it protect against haram. Your wealth is haram, whats in peoples hand is also unclean, halal is very scarce. You‘ll continue sinking into penury if you continue. The man replied that the fellow just increase his love for that verse as he has no desire to keep consuming haram. So he remained in such poor state of hunger for another year, one day his children were crying due to hunger & he couldnt bare it any longer, he said to his wife “try & distract the kids let me go & find something for them & she replied “by the blessing of God“.

So he set out, took a bath, performed ablution & entered a mosque & did 2 rakaht before asr & then sat down to recite the verse 1000 times, it was mid night before he could finish up. Whenever its time for prayer he suspends his zikr & performed jamhi & then cont‘d. Nobody said nothing to him, after isha the custodian asked him “are you sleeping over here“ he made a yes sign with his head. When he finished @ midnight he did his witr & slept. In his dream he saw the holy prophet (saw) who said to him “go to so & so, say to him muhammad the son of abdullah extends his salutations, he said you should give me 1000 dinar & that the insignia between you & him is this & that“. He got up from sleep immediately thanking God, as he made to dash out, he met a “man“ @ the entrance of the locked door with food basket for him, he quickly ate some, remembering his kids, he collected the basket & made to go, the “man“ said hey! Take your fill coz i‘ve also taken some to your kids....to be cont‘d i don tire

@empiree

Lols @ iyalode wey like enviroment them come tapp yasin current ni, free service, why she no go like enviroment wey free energy dey

Hkana:
Sensei, I saw where you mentioned me please tell me you were just teasing me cos even me I have questions....

Concerning what you asked rain.taker, I think one way to unmask an impostor is to ask him for a sign/miracle.

No teasing o we all have Question o, crazy ones sef, you go fear some Questions

But shey you know say, ibliss is the master juggler, miracle ? Na you go tire

@Tlake

No. 3 but how are going to know incase it happened us ? no. 4 we all can agree with this no. 5 the devil can give good advice o, he can do anything to win your trust, remember that hadith where he appeared to that sahaba telling him to recite kursiyyu etc, when the later told the holy prophet (saw) he said, thats ibliss, what he said is true but hes a liar ! He wanted to gain your trust becareful with him. Remember ?

@emekaRaj

Your no 1 just they make me laugh for here So sharia also applies in dreamland ? Maybe when next you kill someone in dream, we‘ll execute you when you wake up as par sharia, while the person you “killed“ lives on. Your loss

No. 3- hmmm Gods way of communicating sharia & anti-sharia @ the same time hmmm no. 4- so was it God or the holy prophet (saw) that said its only him cannot be impersonated ? No. 5- better go & be doing istigfar, so God that protected the holy prophet (saw) from being impersonated by the devil cannot protect himself ? And you so sure its the devil ? This is someone who cramed over 1 million hadiths o & founded a school of jurisprudence o.

Tlake:


can you describe the one u saw n how u knew it was her. ..and the ISM too if you dont mind

Lols @ the one you saw, how many of her do we have?

It was actually in a dream. Now as @Raintaker said how do you know its not a prank from the devil ? This got me thinking So, here I‘ll want us all to look @ the issue of dreams.

1- whats the difference between the dream of a believer & a non-believer ? Because the dream of nabiy yusuf (as) came to pass, that of the prisoners & king who are unbelievers also came to pass, they were all accurate.

2- have you ever had a dream that you believe to be true ? What gave you the assurance ?

3- the prophet Ibrahim (as) had a dream where he saw him self slaughtering his son. Now the scriptures are all against human sacrifice, why did he still went ahead with it ? He didnt say to his son “God said I should sacrifice you but said “I saw my self slaughtering you, what do you say ?“ but when the son responded “do what you are ordered“ , why didnt they take it as a bad dream since its against the scripture ? Or is it that the prophets (as) dont have fake dreams ? even when its clearly anti-scripture ?

4- can the devil disguise as a prophet, angel, walliyy in order to mislead ? How do we ascertain?

5- imam ibn hanbal (ra) dreamt of God who told him the best deed to get close to him is his words, now how was he sure who he saw was actually God ?
What was his size ? What colour ? in what form ? since the Quran says nothing is like unto him. As knowledgeble as he was in deen/fiqh how come “disregarded“ & went on to believed he actually saw God & not the devil in disguise ?

I want us all to solve these intricases of dream together, coz I smell controversy

Cc: @emekaRaj @empiree @LadunaI @Tlake @Jamo90 @Raintaker @Hkana @the rest that I cant recall.

emekaRaj:


Is dis d verse. Ok then he Muhammad SAW saw Jibril in the clear horizon, toward the east

Continue d story now, it's interesting

Yeah thats the verse. The stories are much, I‘ll be doing the translations little by little & then update later.

Raintaker:

Not Jamb Question bro, I actually asked because I don't know.
Back to your question, assuming I've heard about a previous messenger from God's message and I believed in it, I'll simply compare the new message with the previous; and if they are in tandem I'll gladly accept the new harbinger as a prophet of Allah and if they are in discordance I'll reject the new messenger and his message.
Just the way Allah commanded the Jews to verify the oneness of Allah's message in their scriptures.
Thank you.
As I said I am just a seeker of knowledge and I don't want to be confused.

Good! But thats just a phase of it. What if you are not a kitaby like the jews ? What if there is no former scripture to compare with ? What if the former scripture is imitated ? You know how the chinese imitate originals now ? you know, a serious impostor would do a very good home work before making a declearation.

Raintaker:
Not Jamb Question bro, I actually asked because I don't know.

I know. Ok answer that Q and we‘ll take it from there.

emekaRaj:


Mmmmm this is the type am interested in, VERSE OF CONCERN

How did he knw is angel tho, because according to empiree, we can't see angel, if we do our death is close

He said we cant se angels in their true form in this realm (thats they cant appear here in their true form) unless the ruh is about or has exited the body. The holy prophet (saw) & others saw them but not in their original form & also in their true form but not here. This realm cannot contain their true form. Jibreel (as) had to exit this realm completely in order to show the holy prophet (saw) his true form Q81:23

emekaRaj:


Leave dis man, even 50 yrs sef small na 60s.
Even empiree sef dey follow am for age

And how you take know @em.pires age ? Atleast now we know say your mate no dey dis forum old man.

Raintaker:
Now I'm confused and I have a question.
People claiming they see Mary and one old woman, aren't these the same as apparitions of saints that catholics claim they see?
An example is The Our Lady of Fatima apparition(Mary), Statues of saints weeping e.t.c.
How sure are we that it is not the qarins(jinns) playing their usual tricks, I believe once a person is dead he is dead according to a narration I read.
Only the prophets are safe from their forms being taken by jinns.
I don't really know anything, I am just a seeker of knowledge asking questions.

choi! See jamb question! @LadunaI @empire @emekaRaj epp me o. How I wan take ansa this question now ?

Let me ask you, lets say we are still in the era of prophethood & Someone claimed God sent him meaning you are to follow him, how are you going to ascertain he‘s not an impostor ? Try & answer this with your knowledge of deen.

Tlake:
mean she looks exactly lik the mary we see in pictures
cc mr kuti

we all know that the OYINBO mary we see in pictures is only a work of imagination now haba! even the devil we see in pictures is fake

It think I should share this, some one might benefit from it. Lols I usually like it when sirri comes with anecdotes.

Culled from KUNASH of al-maktoom (rta).

SOME VIRTUES OF THE VERSE OF CONCERN

He said:-

“ I witnessed by virtue of spiritual insight some benefits of the verse of concern , some I got in this realm of mundane conciousness & others in celestial realms, so I‘ve decided to relay 50 of them thereof, for a liberary would not suffice if I‘m to divulge all I‘ve got on this glorious verse.

1- I saw a man walking through the market along with other men & I saw 14 angels with him, so I asked one of the angels why were they with him ? He told me that man recites the verse of concern daily, morning & evening, so God delegated us to sheild him & guide him.

So, I approached this man & saluted him & he responded. I said “my master, I‘ll like to meet you“ he said “fine“.

I said “if you may, I‘ll like you to come with me to my dwelling or I go with you to yours“. Then he said he‘ll like me to come with him to his. So we went, he was so happy having me arround, he brought me some food, I said to him “I wont touch your food until you promise to be honest with me“. He said by God I shall be honest with you. Then I said to him “do you have with you a litany from the glorious Quran?“ he replied in the affirmative. So, I asked him what is it ? He said he does recite the verse of concern daily, morning & evening exactly as the angel told you. I said “you did well but dont be careless with it“. He said to me “its the source of my wealth, so why would I be careless with it when I found the favour of God through its blessings ?“ I said to him, pray tell me what you got about it.

He said to me that, when he started reciting it, @ the turn of the year all his wealth disappeared & he remained a poor man. So, he complained to someone about his miserable state, the fellow asked him what he thought the cause was ? ....to be cont‘d

LadunaI:


#Scaring? That shouldn't be. Algorithms and Data structure & architecture are the basic and very first important to know, which I pretty much believed you're familiar with with already.

I actually had a stint with java & C but its been long.

# Which code again? Lolz. No be the code you dish out here, I dey experimented? Sort of "awakening reminders" though.

Hmmmmm I hear you o

# Excellent! That is perhaps one nice connection. For, prophet (saw) said many men have reach perfection but only in case of two women MARY and ASIYAH (may Allah be please with them both). Such is their enviable position! May be you tell us more about her.

Sure! Later I‘ll recount my encounter with her, got an ISM through her, though i used to know the ISM before.

Empiree:
most definitely. Or he lives very close with someone who passed through these. If one is able to pass thru the devils in his journey of tassawuf, the rest is bright. Just like Sheikh Abdul Jilani(ra) passed thru shaytan, my shekh did. He narrated his experinces to me in his days when jinns used to bother him. Stole his money, dedicated in his prayer room, appeared in form of a woman to seduce him. When he didnt fall for their antics they picked in up from his prayer mat to the ceiling and dropped him several times. He had ro run out

I feel for him those creatures can be wicked sometimes. They have led many astray with such antics. But if you are well grounded in fiqh, they cant do nothing. Thats why its not advisable for someone whos not grounded in deen to venture into wilayya. Part of whats causing the present madness we are wittnessing today among the supposed sufis.

Empiree:
The sheik in the video mentioned all the HUTI's. Immediately i remember ikupakuti

If he watches the entire video, i am sure he understands it

LadunaI:


Lolz... that's another realm entirely. Seconded. Lols

Empiree:
I like the first 5 mins of this clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPLdXYnn7Uc

I think i know where or how ikupakuti got his moniker from. You notice he talks about:

LAHU TI

JABARU TI

MALAKU TI

HAHU TI

NASU TI

IKUPAKU TI

Abeg o the a.k.a iku-pa-kitu is actually in response to fela death who claimed to have pocketed death, calling himself “ani-iku-lapo kuti“

So when he finally died, i said iku (death) pa (finally killed) kuti (someone who thinks hes above death).

So its got nothing to do with Gods -HUTIs o my hand no dey o

Tlake:

some one in his 40s wont have dis much time online bro with family, i know for sure mr kuti is in mid 30s upward he must v grown up amongst strong tijaniyahs that paved way for him


sufi guys explored islam beyond normal muslim understanding of d religion, which as actually helped us whether we like it or not but wen you keep exploring you start learning and understanding tins not written even in quran and if your Iman is nt good b4 such explorations you ll lose than iman to your new findings because u begin to realise there's lot more beyond quran and hadiths..and thats the beginning of d prob we have now...my opinion

what if my job requires being connected to the internet most of the time ? something tells me @LadunaI might be right about my age

emekaRaj:


I understand well, but u dnt hav to call names. Just hit the point.

I hav read about sufi, the ideology, purity, tasawuf, tawakal etc. My common sense tells me it's OK. But the fact is their. Some of them use their power to perform magic. Wether they counted among sufist is another argument.

U never ansa my, u be sufiyanu?

U never

Your answer is on page 1 of this thread, i didnt hide who i‘m.

You cant use mystical powers gotten through prayers to perform magic, thats a contradiction. Musa (as) did not performed magic the magicians did, Q20:66-70 even though the ensuing result looks the same to the ordinary eyes.

LadunaI:

Perhaps early fifties..... Or at worst late forties. Lolz

lemme keep quiet. The day you get to know whos behind this monika you wont believe it.

^^^

True!

How can someone be practicing magic & still be called a sufi ? Magic nullifys IMAN ! talkless of IHSAN.

By still identifying them as sufi is a stain on tassawuf.

Everyone knows in all institutions once you go against its tenents you get disqualified. Its the habit of the wahabis to refuse to attack the bad practices only but attack the whole tassawuf just to make it look bad as if tassawuf supports such practices in order to make it unacceptable to people.

emekaRaj:

Woow... So this is Wahabis vs who actually?
Kuti are u a sufi

Did you even read & understand my post ?

@emekaRaj

Stop calling those con artistes sufi like those erratic leftists do. Tassawuf like every institution has its prerequisite conditions that one must meet to qualify as one. That someone hides behind a noble course to perpetuate his madness cannot disqualify its nobility.

If tassawuf is to be erased today those people will still continue their trade cos its got nothing to do with it initially. They only hide behind it in order to gain the trust & acceptance of a certain set of people.

You said magic has being practiced since time immemorial before the advent of islam which shows its got nothing to do with it talkless of tassawuf. Go to villages, you‘ll see bokas who dont know anything concerning islam talkless of tassawuf doing their thing.

And it exists in all religions, societies, even up till now meccans still have their idols intact in that city CONFIRM! & they still practice sihr, its all over the net.

Real muslims have being condeming bid‘a since before abdulwahab was born, so its not the wahabis that will come & tell us what bid‘a is. Inshort their weird approach to islam is the biggest threat/bid‘a of this religion in this era.

Atleast magic is clear & cannot be supported by the quran & sunnah but the fake ideology they introduced by manipulating quranic vs & hadiths is more deadly to the religion.

No real sufi will sell or advertise his spiritual prowess, so let call those people what they are & not sufi. We all claim boko haram/ISIS are not muslims cos they‘ve gone against the tenents of islam which is true, then why still call these deviants sufi when they‘ve clearly gone against what it stands for ?

LadunaI:


Thanks for that beautiful reminders... Indeed HELPs only come from ALLAH alone!

Sincerely, Python is what am actively engaging in now, though had a bit of SQL. Oracle na the real gist for database, though not skill at all in it. You've got alot on your table to learn in programming o o. But, I trust you, you are more than capable of conquering them within shortest possible time.

You are scaring me

Thanks for one of your earlier post, which I quickly put into action, this prompted the resumption of interaction of that "woman". Though, unable to reasonable ask him more question like before. Hope subsequent meeting will usher in that.

You mean the khalwa conditions ? E be like say you go give me this “woman“ code o, I want a taste of her too, only you just they enjoy alone I‘m also partially connected to MARY too, may the almighty help me bless her existence (mother of my ruh) HAIL MARY! BLESSED !

LadunaI:


I am beginning to suspect, as somebody said earlier, @ikupakuti must be in his late fifties or more because such knowledge come with experience which require a maturity of soul. Imam Ghazali (ra) said part of screen on the soul is not reaching the age of 40yrs. It seems @emipiree is in this category as well. I hope we benefit more from their writtens.

Let's keep the thread liquid bro!

late 50s lohun lohun! Kuti wey dem born yesterday ? abeg no fast-foward my life o

@Shawl

Lols...I‘m really humbled with all these approbations...may the grace of the almigthy be familiar unto us all, thank.

But i‘m not a programmer yet o but looking foward to learning python, SQL & Oracle, cos i got some huge database to develop.

@LadunaI thought it was coding things keeping you off....how are you faring ? The storm shall pass away....tough time dont last tough people do. Take it easy.

طه ما أنزلنا عليك القرءان لتشقى

سيجعل الله بعد عسر يسرا

الآ إن نصر الله قريب
#

Tlake:
it ll really be painful to let her go considering d 9 months n breastfeedings,i hope this wont deteriorate her faith but strengthen it cos one tin is 4 sure after such a big test comes a relieve....God ll always find a way to repay them

v read an hadith prophet said if you are badly ill and you feel death is better you can mk dua that God should take you if death is better for you, i feel this can be applied here as sad as it is

Very well.

Empiree:
Lol...this guy is looking for trouble.

What criteria do they use before nominating Imam?








Going to post this in crooners' thread, the alleged "Evil of Tijjaniya" to cause them discomfort

@ikupakuti, i hope you received my emails yesterday?

Lols watch it, their defense is going to be “majority of the judges are from bid‘a countries.

Just got it. Replied.