AlBaqir:


# This is where we need Muslim scientists and researchers that will dwelt into contemporary issues. People are having sexual and other medical related issues. Haemaphrodite for example. What is Islamic solution to it. Shia Ulama believe such person can undergo a transgender surgery and assumed new sex identity after doctor weigh which percentage of it sex is high. That's a case.

# Scientists believe "homosexuality" is a "genetic disorder". Obviously, some are not but habit development. And some were forced into it and it become part of them. And some go into it as a form of rituals.

# All these as you said, Islam forbid homosexuality in one word.

# There are various level of severe punishment for those who engage in it. Just like "burying somebody halfway and stone him/her to death" in the case of zina, which I don't believe in anyway, people still engage in zina. It is more of an habit, inability to control desires. Yet, Islamic laid down conditions before this punishment can be established make it MORE difficult or impossible for such punishment to be carry out.

However, if truly there are some "homos" born with this sort of "sexual defect" which is the cause of their desires mentally/psychologically (naturally), don't you think they need help: medically, psychologically and spiritually than killing?!

There is nothing genetic about that BS. Its pure deviant sexual practice. In so far GOD gave no other excuse for the people of LUT for their wantoness other PERVERSION & also didnt segregate them into classes in terms of punishment (annihilation) , then trying to raise a different case for them is like secondguessing or out guessing GOD.

Or is GOD not a good scientist/psychologist enough ?
Do we know/understand his creatures better than him ? Q67:14

Do we know better what punishment suits a certain sin than he does ?

^^^

Fair enough.

#I, personally do not subscribe to the sahihism attached to the “SAHIHS“ & you‘ll notice I havent quoted a single hadith throughout this discourse.

My disprove is to your believe that such an act doesnt fit MUSA‘s character which I dont agree to, not that I approve or disapprove of the matn of that hadith. I only cited Quranic references that show that the character attributed to him might not be ridiculous as you think. Slm

Empiree:
I dont understand yoruba again

^^^
Ok agreed.

#SUNNI‘S account on what transpired between MUSA & AZARA‘IL was forged while SHI‘A‘S version is genuine. or isnt that the basis of the thread in the first place ?

@albaqir

Lols this is one of the most ridiculous defense ever.

#You mean spiritual developement & mental maturity did absorbed MUSA‘S impatience right? Was the NABI (saw) wrong on his remark on MUSA in respect to his relations with KHIDR ?

#‘ISMA is not being guided a-z, it means immunity from prosecution under the law he brougth, it cannot obliterate ones humanity or freewill or are you saying NABI YUNUS was wrongly guided by GOD in respect to the event which resulted to his ordeal ? Or was it the same ‘A-Z guidance‘ NABI SULAIMAN, DAUD, YUNUS, IBRAHIM et al seeking forgiveness & repenting from ? Q38:35 & 24, 21:87, 14:41, 26:82,

#If his reaction to KHIDR‘S acts were reflections of his belief in divine laws & not out of his impatience then the man-slaughter he committed in egypt was a reflection of what ? Since he‘s yet to be ordained then.

#I know the words SHI‘A & ADUWW used would be “VERY IMPORTANT“ (got the message)

#hmmm No sin was recorded. Maybe MUSA believed otherwise for he said “I HAVE WRONGED MY SELF, SO, FORGIVE ME & HE (GOD) FORGAVE HIM“ even though MUSA had earlier attributed the “SIN“ to the devil but later he was the 1 looking for forgiveness Or why did you think MUSA ran away the first time his staff turnd to snake on mount sinai ? For a shepherd who is used to various attacks from fiercer animals? Q27:10-11

#He has nothing to do with SAMRYY but later placed a curse on him right ? Also has nothing to do with the people that erred but has everything to do with a MASOOM guided by GOD from a -z right ? I like your defense.

Just 2 Qs

1- What would MUSA have done (that HARUN didnt) should he be the one rebelled against & dared ?

2- Why hook a fellow NABI before questioning him, why attack someone unjustly ?

Here we are trying to find excuse for MUSA other than impatience.

#MUSA would rather die you say ? For what ? Is their obedience a condition for his own salvation as an individual ? Can you show me a NABI who destroyed himself due to the KUFR of his people?

LadunaI:
@albaqir and @ikupakuti am enjoying you people discussion so to say. Not only learning yet another pith in prophet Musa(as) anecdote, but also in the way of constructive, inductive and deductive analogy.

This is interesting let it keep rolling.

You‘ve been scarce of late. You can join us

Empiree:
So Shekh Muyideen Ajani Bello is also "keferi" according to you and Jabata. Newnas said this Sheikh is close to the sunnah.

you said:

(translation of your words) "Jabata did not lie now. . (sheikh Muyideen) Khawarij. (sheikh Muyideen) is sufi. . He is kafir. prove jabata wrong then. . bring your evidence"


so we prove we a muslim wrong by Jabata's standard?. Walahi islam ti ko eran mero


ikupakuti

Sheikh Muhiydeen is not even a SUFI to begin with. I‘ve never seen him identify with TASAWWUF. Lol @ ko eran mero

@albaqir

You getting it wrong!

#MUSA is ill-tempered & that is obvious from his stories in the QURAN, displaying his natural tendecies is not an issue, thats why God never knocked him or discuss his short-comings in a negative light in the QURAN coz he‘s human.

# If he wasnt consumed by rage & wasnt thinking straight why did he have to attack HARUN & not SAMRYY or the people who apostated ? What did HARUN later told him that made him leave him that he (MUSA) isnt aware of before ? Now tell me the sense/rationale in attacking HARUN when he knew what happened already before coming back ? What did he achieve with that act ? what did that change ? Wait if the isrealites had revolted against MUSA himself & dared him what could he have done that he expected of HARUN ?

#NABI YA‘QUB: It only shows that hes human & thats what we talking about here, isnt it ? Or did he doubted God ? Or can you tell me the reason why he couldnt relax other than his longing for YUSUF ?

#NABI (saw)‘s matter that you inserted here is entirely different. Its a matter of SHUKR Q14:7 he decleared that by himself.

#Obedience of those people is not the responsibility of MUSA but theirs, so also is the trial & they chose to be tried & misled with their eyes wide open.

#IF MUSA couldnt hug HARUN for a job welldone he could as well ask him howfar in a civil manner without being violent. Someone like NABI ISA or NABI IBRAHIM would never have used such approach.

#Every NABI is a MUKHLAS including HARUN that he wanted to panel beat

#Their KUFR is not on him but on them & he cant help them unless they are willing.

#Where did you get the idea that he intended not to hit the egyptian ? Something he wanted to repeat the next day ? Did you listen to how his wouldbe second victim addressed him ?
إن تريد إﻻ أن تكون جبارا فى اﻻرض
Shey na nice reputation be that ?

#Nobody potrayed him a rogue, MUSA is temperamental & its all over the QURAN, his stories reaks of impatience, so saying he hit an angel is not ridiculous.

AlBaqir:


# As per the above ayah. You call that rogue without even look for an obvious excuse for Nabi Musa?

1. In the above two verses, Nabi Musa have every right to scold his brother Nabi Harun, who was left as his successor, a guide over his people. Imagine, under his watch, the entire Nation went into polytheism! Polytheism! Polytheism!!, an unforgivable sin before Allah. If the entire nation went into polytheism after they have believed, then whats Musa's happiness? This was the thoughts our Mufassir derived for Nabi Musa. And he only grabbed Nabi Harun by his beard NOT Boxed or slapped severely him till eye popped out

An excuse?! This is someone God already briefed that SAMRIYY was responsible, that the people obliged him willingly Q20:85 & 87 while God also exonerated HARUN in Q20:90, So, what other excuse does he have for assaulting a MA‘SUM other than his temperamental tendencies which are no fault of his ? Besides, you do not need to downplay it, you dont scold people by pulling them by the beards & head. HARUN had to re-explain himself after God did before MUSA came back to his senses or else it would have been another tragedy going by his record.

2. On the other hand in this case under discussion, an angel was SENT to Musa, and the angel WENT to him, Musa allegedly slapped him severely and guaged out his eye. This is what I called assault and being rogue.

#I dont see anything outlandish here in respect to kind of person MUSA is. A single upper-cut of his sent an egyptian to the great beyond Q28:15 So, no be today.

AlBaqir:


4. Angels in human form also " burgled" into the house of Nabi Dawud according to Quran, he never guaged out their eyes. Musa's alleged assault shows nothing but a rogued individual. Astaghfirullah for that silly attributes to one of the best servants of Allah in Taqwa, righteousness etc.

#Its like you derive joy in discrediting SUNNI sources. Is here Q7:150 Q20:94 where MUSA assaulted a fellow RASUL knowing fully well hes a MA‘SUM & therefore beyond reproach also an act of roguery ? This is Quran & not SUNNI hadith!

#No amount of TAQWA will strip any human of his humanity. Or is there anywhere in the Quran where God knocked MUSA for that act ?

Empiree:
when are u going to grow up?. How about Sheikh Abdulrahim oniwasiagnaye(ra). He was also sufi. Who was he to you?

ikupakuti, come see drama

Looolz this is someone trained by ASHEIKH JA-FOOTWARE he needs to be excused as we really cant blame him & he has proven that hes not a bastard

You need to listen to his mentor to understand his plight. We need their types to amuse ourselves they make the endtime colourful. Just continue pressing him lets enjoy some comic relief You dont get this kind of opportunity all the time.

Lols @ Saudi America

emekaRaj:
Ikupakuti

Oga stop telling me to learn, as if am not ready to learn, I am ready to learn even from children, am learning from albaqir now in his post in this thread becouse he is making sense, i cease to learn from you when I realize the kind of person you are, and how ur post can lead people astray. Incase u dnt knw dats why I withdraw from you. Stop telling me I lack understanding because I knw Ur own meaning of understanding is when someone take ur word for it without objections.

Pls STOP this whining, for the sake of JUMMAH let this slide OK?

LadunaI:


I have learnt over time that is BETTER to just keep mute than engaging in this type of ENDLESS CYCLE of JUNK posting. Why because the MAIN ISSUE would trampled upon and before you know it NON ISSUE will take the cyber space, with LITTLE or no fruition at the end of the day.

Isn't the alighted paragraph ANSWER all what we are discussing? But I know that wouldn't STOP there. No wonder a case of SENMANTIC what still brought out when I advise t we stop all this.

Exactly! If he had admitted to IMAM ALI‘S view from the begening all these back & forth would be needless.

MAY ALLAH FORGIVE US ALL OUR ERRORs. But, we should LEARN to post to EXPRESS NOT to IMPRESS. That's will always resulted to, if we fail to read and digest fully what others are saying.

May Allah BLESS IMAM ALI(ra) for that beautiful expressions up there.

SALAM!!!

Ameen

@albakir

I overlooked alot of your manipulations & twistings on previous posts not because I cant refute but its like you are trained for arguements something I dont have strenght for. Look how you twist a clear verb تجلى which mean to become visible, to manifest, to come into view, appear etc, and turn it to something else. But then let it slide. Thanks to @lanrexln for bringing that quote. It settled everything Case closed.

AlBaqir:


# Please do not even try to change the gear or shift the goal post here. You have blatantly mock my little explanation that where did I got my analogy from?

what explanation of yours that aligned with whats up there did I mock ? Coz you are begining to confuse me o .

# Just like you clearly state, "ALL SAHABAH were righteous", and you changed gear when I questioned such rationality.

Pls show me where I CLEARLY stated that, I‘m waiting

Who am I compare to Imam Ali, alaih salam?

It does not mean you are comparing yourself to him. He never claimed such privilege was exclusive to him, did he ? Or do you think you too cannot be granted such benefit by God ?

AlBaqir:


Thanks brother for quoting this. I was searching for it since. In Munajat shabaniyah, we pray:


"My Lord, grant me complete severance of my relations
with everything else and total submission to You.
Enlighten the eyes of our hearts with the light of their
looking at You to the extent that they penetrate the
veils of light and reach the Source of Grandeur, and let
our souls get suspended by the glory of Your sanctity
(The Invocation of Sha'baniyah)

# Those are words of arif (spiritual wayfarer) which a Mufassir, philosopher, etc might interpret literarily.

But albaqir this is exactly what we talking about! So, whats all the arguement about?

Have you also gotten to see the God you worship like IMAM ALI said ?

^^
You are mixing this up. The deafen sound that seized those people is different from the manifestation of God upon the rock. God said a deafen sound seized them not that he manifested to them, that vs is clear enough pls dont twist it. There is nothing to rationalise here.

The same deafen sound God used to destroy ‘AAD & SAMUD which he also warned the people of makkah to beware of Q41:13.

@emekaraj

You seem confused. Mabinu. Go take a shower, sleep. When you wake up re-read my posts again, compare them with your previous posts, you‘ll get my points.

You see? thats your problem, you dont want to learn. Who told you knowledge is for arguements only ? If I say you lack understanding now you‘ll take it as an insult. Knowledge will take you closer to your God, without it you‘ll endup serving the devil without knowing coz in religion you need clear scriptural rulings, not assumption & thougths. Goan sleep.

@albaqir

#YOU keep claiming I prefared hadith over Quran but we both know Quran was my first point of reference Q83:22-23 which you substitute another ‘classical‘ meaning for, I only cited some hadith for further reference.

#Again there is no where I said I believe in all SAHABAS, SAHIH HADITHS or a blind follower of any school of thought, so I dont know why you are making up such assumptions.

#You asked me to be familiar with our tafsir, if it was about that, I would have quoted them for you right from the begining, God didnt claim his light manifested but himself, I still asked where did the idea of light came from since you & SUNNI mufassiruna claimed its light, but then maybe I‘ll look for someone else to help me answer that.

#I kept repeating AQEEDAH because we lean towards ASHARIYYA which supports the seeing of God with AINL QALB, in dream & hereafter by translating those verses that denote that, without altering there meaning nor renouncing hadiths which support such while the SHIA AQEEDAH prefares alternate meanings as well as renouncing hadiths that does not support their stance. So, as you can see our AQEEDAH are in contrast. Reason why we should let it slide.

#hmmm...that excerpt that you quoted...do you believe in those allegories ?

emekaRaj:

You see your problem is comprehension, who compared you to a dog ? Now listen! Spirituality does not denote Godliness thats the point, go & ruminate on that ! There is no difference between you & those you chasing around in terms of spirituality, i doubt you‘ll understand though.

You see ? Islamic sciences (Quran, hadith, fiqh, luga etc) are voodoo ? learn to comprehend before replying & stop making faux pas!

show my self on a faceless forum ? Nah! we dont get down like that...too fly for that. I‘m yet to even open a single thread to show myself you can check my post history, I hardly post on islamic section prior to your thread. There is actually nothing to boast of as all might belongs to God only. He only uses us to show his signs, failure to realize that is what breeds UJUB.

You have this haughty streak about you & its not good for your progress cos people with UJUB dont go far but then its your life. What trophy did you give me that you trying to take? on a faceless forum ?

If you noticed since you made that arrogant comment on IMAM HANBAL I lost intrest in your matter, when you said craming 2billion hadith has got nothing to do with making better religious rulings, then what will ? Nightmares ? What are we doing here ? Trying to understand religion/life better by sampling vs & hadiths, right ? So we should leave the judgment of someone of such calibre & stick to that of who ? You ? That did not present a single hadith to support your claims ?

You see, let it slide, there is no need for bickering. This is how its done...if you want to make submissions in religious matters, you‘ll have to provide scriptural backing (quran & hadiths) for it, you cant just say I dont believe in so & so just like that, that will amount to arrogance & thats the reason why I suggested you learn islamic sciences so that you can sound more convincing on whatever submission you try to make. Slm

@albaqir,

See, I dont want to turn this into an AQEEDAH vs AQEEDAH or SUNNI vs SHIA arguement.

What I meant by evading apposite points is you attributing figurative meaning to quranic words just to alter their meaning to suit your stance as you did with DHARABA on the other thread & here NAZIRAH but then lets forget that.

#Good to know you dont do TAQLEED on AQEEDAH even though its not apparent on this topic.

#Do you really mean the practices of the SAHABA, TABEEN should be boycotted in religion cos there is no hadiths which enjoin us to follow them ? Then why should we believe the books (Quran & hadiths) they passed down to us since they who are the medium are not relaible ?

#This your allegory of light/glory that the mountain saw & felt where did you get it from ? Cos the Quran didnt mention it o ? You mean the light was so powerful to reduce a mountain to powder & knock MUSA out but miraclously MUSA didnt go blind what a light ?

#I was actually coming to surat harsh with this question due to your earlier submission that the countenance of God cannot be counted as his ayah but your answers to those questions are not convincing enough.

Albaqir lets drop this I dont know how to argue & argue on simple issues & like I said its a matter of AQEEDAH & we all have got our proofs. May God enlighten us the more.

Empiree:
Na'am JazakaAllahu khayran. And we ask Allah to accept our Ramadan struggles.


I repeat,

Ameen..

YEAH! AND THAT IS THE STANCE OF OULUL-ALBAAB

@emekaraj

What gave you the impression that we have no experience of spirituality but its knowledge ? And where did its knowledge came from ? So because people didnt bother to open thread to start yapping about how they saw this & did that, made you think your case is a unique one right ? Can you even defend your condition with the kitab & sunnah ? And you are calling some non experienced ? How many ayah or hadith did you tabled to defend your nightmares ?

What is there in having visions of fighting witches/demons ? What is the difference between you & those you are fighting in terms of spirituality ? Do you even know a dog sees more than you do ? A common donkey as daft as it is sees better even a carrion vulture so whats new ?

You need to get off your high horse & calm the eff down!
Go and learn basic Islamic sciences & stop shooting faux pas all over the place & dont forget to also learn adab as well as your post reeks of UJUB.
You dont even know those you are chatting with personally except what they chose to reveal about themselves & you are here making baseless assumptions.

@albaqir

Lols you have this penchant for evading some apposite points & addressing those less pertinent. I dont know if its mere oversight or a deliberate act.


#This is an AQEEDAH issue so I do not expect you to agree. Your last paragraph up there sums up your position on this issue...that you do not believe one would see God in next life which is the opinion of the shi‘a & the MU‘TAZILA, a position which the SUNNI do not subscribe to as they have enough HADITHS & VS to back their stance. So, theres no need for quoting the hadith from attabarani (muslim also related such) since you wont believe them.

IMAM SHAFI‘I, ABU HANIFA, AHMAD IBN HANBAL including all the SAHABA none ever deny the ‘seeing‘ of God with the hearts, in dream & in the next life. ABU HANEEFA said he saw him 99x , IMAM HANBAL saw & asked him about the best deed to get closer to him...anecdotes abound as such from sahabas & tabeen, but we do not need to continue going in circles as its AQEEDAH related.

#I was going to quote IMAM ALI (ra) thank God you are aware of his stance. Can you pls elaborate on his stance ?

#For learning sake, I‘ll like to ask you some questions...

#In Q7:143 God said he manifested on the rock when MUSA sought his sight...

1-why didnt he manifest to MUSA why to the rock ?

2-If a camera were to be fixed on that rock, would it have captured the manifested image or there would have been no image to capture ?

3-MUSA had his eyes fixed on that rock anticipating a sight of God, immediately it happened he fainted while the rock exploded, did he see anything before he fainted/died or while dead ?

4-Was MUSA(as a nibiyy) ignorant of the impossibility of seeing God while alive that made him seek such in the first place ?

5-While did the rock explode & MUSA died ? These are the questions I‘ve being seeking answers to, if you‘ve got any explanation pls do.

LadunaI:

You are most welcome back sheikhuna! everything is good alhamdulilah.

Thanks ya SAYYIDI!

Tlake:

kindly share with us
Welcome back kuti

Slm, bro thx.

AlBaqir:


Surah Al-Isra, Verse 1:

"Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing."

Hmmmm you denounce a whole hadith(s) as a lie just because Quran said “our sign“. So, if his words, power etc be his signs why cant his countenance be ?

# Seeing Nabi in dream can never be in the same context of spiritual feeling of the Majesty of the Lord. You can never and you will never, whether physically or spiritually, comprehend Allah let alone having a clue on His imagery. This is because NOTHING is like Him.

So, what do you say concerning Q75:22-23 & also Q50:35 particularly its hadith from anas bn malik (ra) where JUBREEL (as) came to the holy prophet (saw) with a mirror....attabarani 6717 or are they also lies ?

No one can have a clue on his imagery you say ? So what image are the believers going to see in jannah or what image will the kufar be deny of in the hereafter ?

# There is nothing like unto him but he is like unto himself, right ? That there is nothing in his likeness does not negate his visuals it only means his image is unique to him only.

LadunaI:


BTW where is Sensei @ikupakuti? perhaps in hyper hibernate mood now.

Thanks.

A BELATED EID MUBARAK TO ALL!!!

MAY THE MOST GENEROUS ACCEPT OUR IBADAH AMEEN.

@LadunaI been around for a moment hows the general going ? Hope good.

@empiree that was very generous of you & also inspiring, may the good Lord replenish your pocket beyond measure. Nice 1

AlBaqir:


Here the meaning is right (beat) because of its context take in your hand. Unlike the previous ayah in surah Tahrim which followed with "mathalan" and which means to set forth, to illustrate. And in Surah Nisa which could mean something else apart from beat, to cast aside, to separate from.

So, Quran uses the word "dharaba" in so many places with different meanings as per the context.

AlBaqir I know the word has variants Unless we intend lieing to ourselves, the context in which Q4:34 was used is the same as that of Q38:44 i.e husband/wife affairs boardering on rebellion. So, why must we now shop for a substitute for it ?

POINTS

#1: In that Q38:44 God commanded AYUB (as) to fulfill his oath of beating his wife, now if that was wrong would God have requested him to fufill it just because of a oath ?

#2: Did you considered the DALEEL NUZUL of that vs 4:34 ? Shey you know it was actually to settle a ‘beating‘ case btw a man & his wife ?

#3: This actual variant of DHARABA was interpreted by the holy prophet (saw) himself as evident in his farewell sermon as was reported in the books BUKHARI, MUSLIM, TIRMIDHI, IBN HANBAL, IBN MAJAH, even al-JAUZI in his al-BAYYAN, these are his words as recorded in ibn MAJAH book 9 no. 1851

فاضربوعن ضربا غير مبرح

do you still think that specific interpretation of that word is just a preference of the mufassiruna & not from the holy prophet (saw) ?

# So don't you think that if that ayah in surah Nisah truly meant to beat, will Nabi not abide by the law and command of his Lord?

# Rather instead of beating any of his erring wives who caused him so much trouble, he separated from them for 29 days (a whole month).

Why can't you emulate this instead of beating which he never ever did? Nabi was described as "working and walking Quran".

Your answer to my last question on the former post will determine the answer to this.

....the word DHARABA in that vs actually means BEATING & the Quran also reported it application in Q38:44 in the case of AYUB (as) & his wife.

#About the approach used by the holy prophet (saw) in dealing with his wives, firstly I want us to know that

1- Aside being their husband, hes also a prophet to them & they are aware of that, so there is a limit they can go in rebellion as againt to we ordinary men & our wives.

2- Hes a leader that was cammanded to be emulated & as such he usually exercises extreme patience beyond the average human limits in most instances, before some will go & pummel his wife & call it sunnah.

#The women screaming DV today are actually responsible for over 70% of it against their maids who are mostly females like them & against their children also but through their usual manipulative pretentions coupled with the aid of weaklings who called themselves men, they‘ve been able to shift off the attention of the people & the media from themselves.

#I‘ll like to ask you, if one of his wives (saw) had commited an offence which attracts a stipulated amount of flogging...

1-Would he have overlooked it & refuse to carry out an injuction of God due to his clemency for women ?

2- If he would have applied it, would it be publicly or would he had chosen the method in that vs ?

I‘ll want you to take this vs Q33:30 into perspective.

@albaqir

#Yes, there are customs & conventions that have crept into religion & are mistaken for it but here we are talking about a clear Quranic ruling perfectly understood & applied by predecessors as supported by documented history & like I stated it wasnt an issue until now, why ?

#The emphasis on women being treated with care was actually due to the fact that, they are subjected to the control/guidance of men, such recommendation were also made in respect to other subjects too (non women) & it does not negate the application of necessary disciplinary measures when the rights of God are trampled on.

#Its like the minority holding this view failed to grasp the wisdom behind a man (as the leader of his home) to discipline his erring wife. Take for eg

Should your wife consume alcohol, would you/she rather get the ruling in that vs applied or get her reported to an open court to get her flogged 40/80 lashes and get ridiculed publicly ?

# Anybody can get their ar.se whooped, all they need do is commit an offence that attracts such. If the holy prophet (saw) could recommend beating for children (girls inclusive) by the parents then whats so special about wives/women ?......typing

[quote author=Empiree post=57527949]you dey mind them

I missed road to for 4yr when I adopted their approach made me started questioning pop.

No right thinking person will find their approach appreciable at all. I tell you, if not for the blessings of petroleum in the kingdom, wahhabism wont go beyond najd, thats if it endured the 18th/19th century.

The reason they stuck in the 7th century approach is bcus of a solitary hadith which says to "follow my sunnah and sunbah of kulafah and bite is with your molar teeth."

They got it wrong! The sunnah & salafism were based on the Quran...meaning we should make sure our acts are in tandem with it, not that we should continue making our mosques with raffia in this 21st century

You may look up the thread title "who is your favorite Islamic scholar" by balashh. Another one title sheikh muyideen bello by newnass. You go see drama

Seen it. Their aqeedah breeds/teaches disrespect even to their parents unless they share same aqeedah, so its understandable. Only God know in what shape Islam would be in the SW today without the immense contributions of the likes of Sheikh Adam (ra)-markaz-, Sheikh Kamal-deen (ra)-adaby- etc