@Sensei, you scarce. Honestly I‘ve totally forgotten I made such promise.

@Jamo90 abeg no kill me with laff common green light wey them show you, you don begin dream of marriage. lols @ unstoppable diarrhoea Na to befriend pampers go sure pass. Oko mordiya

Lols @ Ummu agbalagba, wetin person no go hear from these our alfas dem.

@empiree lols some people do make that mistake of thinking because they believe in GOD, evil people/power cannot harm them. Only if they know. Dem go die tey tey before they know it.
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@Jamo90

#Yes, they know many hidden things about us due to many factors, the biggest of which is our QAREENS who are also jinns.

#They see, hear, feel faster than us, they can browse our OS (QAREENS) to know our past history, thoughts & use that scientifically to calculate our immediate future, know where we went wrong, remedies & alot of subtle, minute details according to the limits of their capabilities. GOD said the jinn can see us from an “aspect“ from which we cannot see them. The hadith said they flow in our body system like blood.....

Empiree:
Really sad. That's why I love the way I grew up. We were isolated. And the reason given by dad and grandpa for doing that is what's happening today with so called "Sufis". This is why I stick to the ESSENCE which I keep telling brothers here but they chose not to listen. They want to equate everyone.

They can NEVER listen. Their ideaology was founded to attack TASAWWUF in the first place. They are on a mission.

This reminds me again of words of Imam Maliki(ra) that if you only pursue figh without tassawuf or spiritual essence you are misguided. And if you only stick to spirituality without figh, you are heretic. Both are apparent today.

This sums it up.

You can see the brothers out rightly denying even essence of Sufism. They focus on what misguided ppl do. Many atimes I advised them. They do have evidence against pseudo sufis. But this is not excuse to deny reality. Both are misguided as imam maliki rightly said.

Thats the only attack line they got. Letting it go will destroy all they‘ve built.

And the masjid where I pray adheres to salafi manhaj. They are so boring bcus they have no programs to bring ppl especially children. But the former only have adult program (lecture) where they only quote their scholars (not children friendly). So I advised them to adopt some elements of sufism like Sunday as-salatu to begin with. I didn't know a Nigerian sister was there. She sensed quickly I'm Nigerian and she said Sunday as-salatu is bida. She further said that group dhikr and reciting subhanallah, istgfar, etc is bida. I quickly shut the conversation and left.

LWKMD sunday assalatu loun loun! You want make them enter hellfire

Lols @ chidren friendly.Without children their ideaology no go last.

So salafi attempt is to kill spirituality.

They‘ll endup killing their spirituality ni & their will be no children to continue the madness, lobatan!

Jamo90:
@trottle
You are welcome here. Those guys you have quoted up there have the thirst for knowledge and intelligence that is almost equivalent (if not more ) to what some Alfas who walk around with 40 muridis and an overflowing agbada that's enough to sew 7 shirt and trousers.

I'm only afraid they'll decide not to contribute anymore on this forum someday especially 'the death that has finally killed kuti'. When that time comes, I wonder how we'll get our questions answered. Until then I'll just take full advantage of this privilege.

Lols Becareful so that they dont use “ ma ri mi fin “ on you, they can be dangerous (buhari omo ....)

LadunaI:


Here is something similar to what you are asking for. Courtesy of the sheikhuna.

Lols

...#Destiny is a spiritual feature of existence. It is not as hidden as many people think.

#It is not hidden to the angel that came to blow ruh into us & inputed the details of our destiny into our OS @ the embryonic stage of our lives neither is it hidden to the angels in charge of our sustenance. Anybody with the right means can easily tap into the frequencies of these spiritual entities/channel to access the details.

#Why casting lot is haram & a scientific method is not....brb.

...So, after that vow by the devil to mislead mankind & God having granted him the powers necessary (all are in accoudance with the divine will/plan), GOD now sent down guidance through his prophets (untouchable by the devil) to guide & warn people of those ways affiliated to that channel of power granted to the devil, how to identify it so as not to thread it, cos the same fate await whoever subscribes to it as the devil.

#Every path (SIRAT) leads to GOD in reality. But the only one (guarded) that leads to his mercy & not his wrath is the one sent through his prophets called the STANDARD PATH (siratal mustaqeem), the devil lays in wait on the other.

#So, whether one prays in the name of GOD or in the name of jesus or in the name of the devil, its still the one & only GOD that will answer coz there is no any other AL MUJEEB anywhere save him & all his creatures whether obedient or not, do not have any RABB other than him.

#MUSA & the magicians: MUSA prayed in the name of GOD & the magicians prayed in the name of phiraun/devil & their needs were met . In Q20:67 MUSA was afraid after throwing his staff why ? Coz he knew both his power & theirs came from GOD & thus they are all valid! Throwing is one thing winning is another. He knew victory is subjected to the dictated of divine will (Destiny) & GOD can grant it to anybody. MUSA does not have the details of what had been decreed yet until GOD assured him Q20:68-69.

#Denying the powers of the devil is denying the powers of GOD.

#Those people (Godly & ungodly) with visionary prowess whether acquired or gifted are all legit.

#Those we were warned against are those threading the ungodly path. Believing them is believing the devil & thats automatic kufr....brb

Lols

@Jamo90 & Trottle, thats what we‘ve being discussing all this while.

#Spiritual or material gifts does not denote Godliness neither does it denote ungodliness.

#God can decide to bestow upon anyone among his creatures (human, jinn, angels, animals) any of these 2 types of capabilities either by sheer luck or through effort of the seeker.

#When such comes through luck (by birth or nature of the creature involved), it is called MAOHIBA (gift). But if through effort, its called MALKIYYA (possession).

#Now, anything coming through effort, comes in one of two channels, the Godly & the ungodly.

#THE GODLY: Acquistition through this channel entails utilizing approved means by GOD to reach any end, no matter what that means is, so far it carries a divine sanction.

#THE UNGODLY: Aquistition through this channel entails utilizing unapproved means to reach an end. Anything ungodly is devilish.

#NOBODY has any independent power anywhere save GOD. All powers whether Godly or ungodly originated from God. Everybody is tapping from him including the devil.

#The channel of the power weild by the devil today came from Q38:82, when GOD laid a curse on him, in retaliation he requested saying “ by your MIGHT/POWER I shall....“ (even as a rebel the devil was humble enough to seek power & longetivity coz he knows he cant get anything done without GOD,) & GOD affirmed & granted him that power in Q38:84......brb

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=199SLrAhk80

I totally agree with Sheikh Hamza. Those that demand equity must come with clean hands also.

The truth is, every ideal no matter how sound it is, is bound to degenerate with time & those the devil usually uses are the ignorants.

Like he asserted, things are in hierarchical order. Its ISLAM then IMAN then IHSAN. But today, people want to jump the first two & claim the third whereas those two are the preliminaries/foundations upon which the third was established.

But, then there will always be bad eggs in all sects, even among the deviants, some would still deviate from the original course of deviation. People who dont want to pay their dues before claiming credits. Reason I dont associate with those noise makers.

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But why dont the WAHABIS like being addressed as WAHABIS ? Are they ashamed of his legacy ni ? They practice a form of ISLAM taught by ibn abdulwahab, isnt it? By hijacking the term SALAFI to themselves, they are indirectly insinuating that others muslims aint SALAFIS which is derogatory & thats one of their tricks.

Empiree:
See what i just posted up there about credit, that just reminds me of my years in ilorin. I had issue of spiritual battle with someone very close and i didnt know i "offended" her. I dont think if it appropriate to tell this but i really dont care after all. Ths credit thing is not necessarily fortune telling but gleaning info. It is equivalent to people obtaining someone else's info as done in yorubaland. I remembered meeting a man back then telling me i cant hide anything from him. It was crazy

Lols some people do have that ability whether naturally or otherwise, they‘ll read out your destiny for you in one long sentence. Imagine if someone could codify its algorithms into a system attach a camera/scan, once a person comes into view, all the details of his destiny will come on screen.

@LadunaI

Thats one of the major cause of confussion. Muslims trying to dissect spiritual life of the muslims & that of his physical but go on to say ISLAM is a total way of life, isnt that confussion ? Where did GOD ever seperate the two ? They imply they control their physical affairs while GOD controls the spiritual, isnt that SHIRK ? Sharing acts with GOD ?

Empiree:
@ikupakuti,

another thing is Credit Report and Credit Score. That thing is used in the West to determine worthiness of individual. Without it, no one may know anything about you. Credit is programmed exactly like fortune telling or the like. It is exactly like "awon iya aye" those people seek to see worthiness of their target(s).

If you call a bank to apply for a loan, any types of loan, they only need your number, age and sometimes, your mother's maiden name. Sounds familiar?. ALfa, Alawo, pastor, etc use this isnt?. Exactly they do this in the West and muslim who condemn categories of karada dont say anything about this simply bcus they see it as a mere worldly stuff. Anyways, bank officer will get those infos and tell you what you worth.

Once they pull ur infos, there is nothing else you can hide unless you do stuff off the book. Criminal record, marriage, relatives, job, websites you registered with you name them. They see all of them.

Exactly if awon Aje wantt o get info, they are both designed identically.

Lols @ awon iya aye

Now look @ that! If one goes to a fortuneteller to get to know his worthiness it becomes bid‘a We are only decieving ourselves. If they should improve on this system, they will even predict for the unborns.

#Check out how FIRAOUN pulled out MUSA‘S data before he was even concieved! Everthing came out clean! But did his foreknowledge stopped the will of GOD from coming to pass ? No!

#Does it make him GOD ? No!

#Who released the info for access ? same GOD!

Empiree:
Ha, now i understand. humm they are getting there or most likely they are already. If they can shut down the heart to perform surgery, and bring it back to life thereafter, i won't be surprised about this. Or with lot of fake people walking around with skin of deaman or pig, this is only matter of time. Will research this to see if there is anythign available

Thanks. That shutting down of the heart is really a big step in that direction. It‘ll be easier by using the jinns (by using the QAREEN) of a dead person. Since the QAREEN is like the OS of the human. The jinns have being doing this for long. Thats the stunt that Jinn pulled on Sulaiman (as). Q38:34 He created a replica of him & enter into it. All the concept of akudaya, abiku etc fall into that line.

If the whites had believed in GOD & revelation, only GOD knows in what level of sophistication the human race would be in today.

Empiree:
Our alfas are right

The sad part is that, thats where it usually ends, no follow up. You will never find one scientific theory expounded from this fact, why ? coz there is no evidence from the salafs

Empiree:
I forgot about this phrase when i was tyoing. What i was talking about is called artificial intelligence and human computer interaction

https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&rlz=1CASMAE_enUS679US679&q=human+computer+interaction+vs+artificial+intelligence&oq=artificial+intelligence+and+human+computer+interaction&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i71k1l4.0.0.0.19515.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0.SimMETvTClw

This is short pdf but not comprehensive enough. Still looking out

http://hen-drik.de/pub/Heuer%20-%20On%20The%20Intersection%20Of%20Human-Computer%20Interaction%20(HCI)%20And%20Artificial%20Intelligence%20(AI).pdf

No. I knew about artificial intelligence. I‘m talking about creating a ruh from scratch & infusing it in a new or dead body to resurrect it or trapping a ruh @ the point of exit (death) in a vial or something & then create a new body (carrier) & then merge the two together, the new human will now possess the mental/spiritual capabilities of the former vessel of that recycled ruh.

There are many things we think are big deals due to our limited understanding of the word of GOD but are actually not.

When GOD says hes the one that does/did something or he has power over everything or can do anything, we dont actually understand what such implies.

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Pls I need a link to any article on that.

Muslims are just getting dumber by the day, refusing advancement in the name of religion they understand not. They think leaving superanuted tafseers amounts to bid‘a. Wherever GOD said that ?

@empiree

Now, thats thought provoking! We Muslims tend to pretend alot.

It is either we all go down together, charged with SHIRK in respect to the verdict of that hadith or we look for the real reason behind it.

Today, we muslims dont do istikhara to know BP, Pregnancy, weather, sex & DOD, diagnose diseases, life expectancy etc we rely on a system that doesnt do istikhara also but uses calculations (same as geomancy), but we want to condemn one & pretend about the other.

The type of damage control that sheikh gave up there is what make atheists laugh at religionists. Now someone is saying gender is not part of ones destiny in other to “defend“ GOD ?

Very soon, technological advancement will get to a stage where spirits will be created & infused into a body & will function like a real human. Watch how muslims will start re-twisting verses of the QURAN to accommodate the new developement & “defend“ GOD. Many will lost their faith. Imagine defending someone you call GOD everytime those we call KUFAR show us how to use our brains!

And GOD is GLORIFIED above all blemishes! His words & attributes are perfect! We will only endup defending our faulty understanding of his words & not him.

THE BANE OF WE MUSLIMS IS PURITANICAL PRETENSIONS

If a muslim today should develope a computation system from the letters of the verses of the QURAN, for prediction & divination, you will see how ULAMA all over the world will be issuing FATWAs condemning the practice, asking for daleel from hadith or from practices of the salafs in utilizing the QURAN for such! They will continue running him down, while the KUFAR whites will court him, learn from him, enhance it & use it to enslave the muslims the more & those muslims will start patronizing such system from the KUFARS without questioning its source.

WE ARE A VERY BIG LAUGH!

@LadunaI

Good analysis. I like that angle of TAWAKKUL you brought, part of the reasons the scholars usually discourage people from trying to inquire into destiny.

In addition to the questions up there,

#What is the difference in someone using e.g. ultrascan or geomancy or lottery or istikhara to determine the sex & D.O.B of an unborn baby ?

#The ensuing unknown results, from who are they going to come from ?

#What actually validates a means of inquiry & what invalidates the other ?

Noting that NOBODY can get to know what GOD doesnt want to be known, no matter how one tries to dig.

Narrowing down these indices of controversies surrounding inquiry into destiny will then bring us to the real reason that prompted the saying of that hadith by the NABI (saw).

Empiree:
"AhluSunnah" is a fraud. See him smuggling his nonsensical manhaj in islamic text. You are fraud

Thats a knock-out from @albaqir

Thats how they go on outguessing GOD & NABI (saw) assuming for them & twisting their words. Thats how the wahabis started the twisted definition of bid‘a by claiming what Abu Isra‘iel did is bid‘a whereas the NABI (saw) never called it so.

Thats how misunderstanding creeps into religion.

Empiree:
^^^

You still dont want to be silenced abi? after all the drama u went through


YOUR POST UP THERE WAS REFUTED BY YOUR FAVORITE Salafi website islamqa http://islamqa.org/shafii/qibla-shafii/33748/was-imam-shafii-against-sufism

Imagine such statement coming out of a great scholar of Islam goes to show you how fabricated that statement was. You are so desperate brov.

Even a dullard doesn't need PhD to figure out the statement was a fabrication

ikupakuti

Easy now that the only last straw he has left & you‘ve snatched it away from him drowning things.

Imagine As-SHAFII of all people ? He should have continue quoting his uthaemeen jeeje

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There was prohibition of visiting graves at the begining but it was later on relaxed.

Empiree:
With respect to Q31:141, if out back in its context doesnt suggest it permissibility or impermissibility. It appears to be something normal. Did he cast lots to see if he would make it through sea or what ?.

No o. You know as it is tradition with the ANBIYA, they dont act unless with direct approval from the realm of GOD. So, YUNUS exited his town when he saw their destruction coming without waiting for permission to do so, so GOD took offence.

He boarded a ship to escape, GOD sent a cyclone to capsize the ship. As it is with the pagans, whenever they encounter a life threatening turbulence of such nature @ sea, according to their belief, an offender of the gods is on board & will have to be thrown into the sea to appease the gods or else they will all perish. So to know who the offender is, lots have to be casted.

Now deniers are going to argue that this was in the pass before nabi(saw). That advent of nabi (islamic sharia) put an end to it due to ahadith quoted by raitaker. The question now is, isnt the same applies to graves visitations?. That practice also predates nabi(saw). But the diff might be there is no restrictions from visiting graves in any hadith far as i know

Their is a hadith (I‘ll look for it) where when the quraish alleged that they inherited their lottery from NABI IBRAHIM & ISMAIL (as), the NABI (saw) swore that NABI IBRAHIM & ISMAIL (as) never drew lots, that the arabs were liars.

I never really meant that those anbiya actually drew lots with those questions (cos they didnt) but answering them will expose what was actually forbiden in respect to divination & thats what the antagonists do not want addressed.

As for YUNUS (as) he got no choice whether he agreed to cast or not he is still gonna get thrown over board coz GOD really wanted him in the belly of that fish So, even if he refused they will suspect him & throw him noni.

Empiree:
Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. Quran 98 verse 6

How does this also make muslim you called kafr kafr?

Seems to me you no nothing. You must be shivering in front of your computer now or your phone. I am going to put an end to you soon.

I think you‘ve succeeded in confusing the sheriff, hes just droping adresses of odd verses & hadiths anyhow

The hadith reads :

¤Whoever approaches a fortuneteller & believes what he says, he has disbelieved in what has been revealed to Muhammad (saw)¤

Now, the Qs :

1-: What is fortunetelling in this context ? What does it entails ?

2-: Who is a fortuneteller ?

3-: What is it that a fortuneteller would say that when one believes it, will annul ones faith ?

4-: In Q5:90 GOD forbade MU‘MINS from drawing/casting lots but in Q3:44 same GOD recounted how NABI ZAKARIYYA (as) drew lottery with his fellow sages on whos gonna train MARY (as), is that a contradiction ? Again in Q37:141 NABI YUNUS (as) participated in lottery which didnt favour him, so whats happening ?

5-: The NABI (saw) in many hadiths told fortunes, NABI YUSUF, YA‘QUB (as) told fortunes, inshort every NABI is a fortuneteller but ironically disbelieving in their fortunetelling is KUFR so whats happening ?

These are the question that those WAHABI MUFASSIRUNA used to avoid, they will deny something & wont tender any tangible or credible refutal.

If anyone tells you geomancy/fortunetelling is haram, let him answer this Qs, then we‘ll know what class he belongs to among those 3.

Coz if you dont put them on the hot seat their hypocrisy wont come out

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@empiree

I think we‘ve discussed this along with ghaib.

People who are opposed to the issue of fortunetelling/divination are in 3 classes. This opposition stems from the controversial nature of destiny itself. The science of AL QADR is the most complex of all sciences, very hard to comprehend & exposure to it is very dangerous to ones faith.

1- THE LEARNED : Those who know whatzup really but due to its inherent hazard, they try to sheild people away from it.

2- THE FOLLOWERS (ignorants) : These group follow the stance of those above, without knowing the reason why they took that stance.

3- THE DENIERS/REBELS : These group deny & rebel against anything that doesnt conform with their understanding or does not emanate from one of their own or goes against what they stood for, irrespective of whether they know the disputed issue to be true or false.

#As for evidence, even lies have got evidence in the Quran.

#Like I once said, its not really about an act per se but the actor, terms & intentions.

#The example of grave visitation you mentioned & even hajj clears everything, this is what some failed or refused to grasp. Like you said appearance & reality are opposite to each other.

#All this gridlock are encompassed in the true definition of the same hadith they always quote & some vs of the Quran ......brb

Jamo90:
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Thank you very much. This explanation is perfect and concise. May Allah increase your knowledge and wisdom. Amin

Amin. You are welcome.

Jamo90:


Ps: I'd like to have a detailed explanation on this matter.

It is HARAM to keep a fast on the days of the 2 eids no matter what due to a certain hadith of ABU SAID, even on the 1st, 2nd & 3rd of DHUL HIJJA, the NABI (saw) forbade fasting in them except for those (pilgrims) who couldnt afford slaughter but even those cant fast on the day of eid.

These are in respect to obligatory rites (hajj) talkless of voluntary acts like nawafil.

One will have to schedule his nawafil of fast so as not to collide with those days & if they do, you‘ll have to suspend them on those days even if you are under a vow to fast.

And there suspension on those days by obeying the NABI (saw) is more pleasing to GOD than fasting in them, therefor such cannot mitigate your ibada but enhance it in the sight of GOD.

Voluntary acts mustnt clash with the dos & donts of religion.

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This good! This is what we talking about!

Only that its not an art as practiced or thought by many today but a spiritual science. Without spirituality, accuracy will become elusive.

lanrexlan:

@bold, I take God beg you, when making comments be considerate of the people reading the comments faah.


Imagine a scenario when you are just laughing or smiling at your phone, people might think e don dey body small small na

Salafis are being paid in their own coins. Owo Abu ni a fi n se Abu lalejo

Lols they didnt see it coming!

As in, this guy‘s own is full option along with issuance of kufr certificates hope you‘ve gotten yours coz all NL muslim have been certified by the new sheriff.

As it stands now, there are only 2 muslims on NL, the sheriff & one other jabaterian like that, the rest have been certified for hell.

Empiree:
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And the later is what we have WORDWORLD now . Ops, thats someone's moniker. worldwide i meant

Empiree:
@abdelkabir, what u said up there still doesnt vindicate you of what alhusunnah accused you of. He said you are muridi blind follower. And if you accuse the brother of hypocrisy, then, may i remind you that you used to quote Jabata too before you realized he is crazy upstairs?. Remember you used to post his lectures to try to refute sheikh Habib during Ramadan 2016?. I remembered that. All of a sudden you made a U-turn. Perhaps becus too many folks condemned him?. Is it fair to say this is hypocrisy of you as well?.

The reason why you could not successfully refute ahlusunnah guy was bcus your ideology resemble a lot. He is doing now what you and co used to do not knowing Allah would raise this guy to deal with you hehehehehe Deal With It

For me, he is easily refuted if am determined. I already started with him but he keeps avoiding me and gives silly excuses. He doesnt know what is sufism. He doesnt know common basic terms just as you. And i exposed him lately about paper money replacing sunnah money. So he has no right to call me keferi bcus he is officially also keferi after i gave him his certificate of Hell. So easy for me to refute his nonsense. But my "mission" here is to enjoy his drama with you. I am loving every min of it. Go through my convos with him., You will realize he tried to avoid me. He has zero hikma. Do you actually think ikupakuti cant refute him?. He is just enjoying his 'show' like me bcus he is not the target here. You are

Tell them, loud it They should go & face their heavenly sent nightmare

IF it was a sufi or a shia creating all those threads by ahlsunnah, all those salafi maggots would have being crawling all over the place, flooding everywhere with albani said this, uthemeen spoke that, bn baz decreed those,

Now this guy is an offshoot of their ijebu aqeeda, they avoided him like plague coz they use the same manhaj but his own is unadultrated

We don wait tire them no show face

Empiree:
especially abdelkabir a k a lexiconkabir. He victimized non-salafists here many times. I am the only one who constantly stood up to him in most cases. He even said he would not take knowledge from sufi shuyukh and emphatically said 'abadan'(lae lae). I remembered that. Also said murid are follow follow and accused me of being a muridi.

No mind am I know that time, I know they are taqleedis thats why I dont like engaging them. Na dem do bumper to bumper pass.

Always shouting KITAB & SUNNAH, now bring a single proof from your KITAB & SUNNAH that not all bid‘a are kufr, you start quoting UTHAEMEEN coz hes “trustworthy“ can you imagine? & they got the nerve to call people names ?

This same abdelkabir sometime back, when the issue of jabata came up, was telling someone not to listen to jabata cos he could get misled by his lectures. They know they cant stand him, not with their scholar worshipping & blind taqleed. Ever!

@abdelkabir

You got all wrong bro,

This isnt a matter of someone bringing some unfounded rumours from no where. Here we talking about religious rulings.

NO any scholar, no matter how “trustworthy“ he appears to be, has an independent say on religious matter & you know that yourself, so dont twist it.

Religious facts is not really about who said what, its about what is said. If the devil should propose a matter with clear backing from KITAB or SUNNAH, it becomes incumbent on all who believe in GOD & his message to obey irrespective of his (devil) personality, coz you are not obeying the devil then, but GOD, & I‘m sure, should an angel tell you to abandon salah you wont dare obey him just coz hes an angel & trustworthy, right ?

Again, this what we talking about, you just quoted another of your scholars, when they say bring proof, you quote scholars. dont religion got meaning without your scholars ?

Just look @ that defense up there ? Just coz you think someone is trustworthy, then you just take whatever he says on a religion that has got its scripture ? Is his trustworthiness the scripture we are supposed to follow ?

So because bukhari said something is geniune, then it automatically becomes so ? Isnt that just his own opinion ?

And we are the one doing bid‘a & taqleed ? Keep amusing yourselves.