@albaqir

Pls, I‘ll like you explain to me the basis behind going for another interpretation of DHARABA as against the agelong held view, which got both oral & practical backings from the AHADITH, SALAFS & in extention, the muslim community prior to this 21st century, where modern scholars are trying to ‘modify‘ some islamic standards in order to for it to ‘appeal‘ to the ‘modern‘ world.

Cos before the advent of feminism & the agenda of emasculating men, I mean before, when women were being ‘beating‘ in every society of the world (the west inclusive) no Islamic scholar was thinking of another ‘meaning‘ for that word.

#Is it because it seems archiac as to today‘s level of enlightment ni or ...

#Is it due to the fragility of the women physique ni or ...

# Is it because men & women are ‘equal‘ therefor hes in no position to discipline her by beating ?

:

@empiree

Those are hard points.

It all boils down to AQEEDAH. The literalists are staunch TAQLEEDEEs, blind & irrational approach to religion. They are literally stuck in the 7th century, their ISLAM is stagnant, their mind, closed.

They themselves fight to make sense to themselves, its not being easy

#I have never come across this hadith of JIBREEL (as) before o. So a whole JIBREEL (teacher of the anbiyya) doesnt even know a common info about himself like age ? Weird

We dont know whether he used earthly years for his calculations or that of another sphare....504 million years

Aku oungbe o!

LadunaI:


It's seems Sensei @ikupakuti has been immersed in the ocean of Gnosis heralded by the blessings of this Ramadan.

But, the good news is, we will have the privilege to hear and read such another spiritual secrets that's will leave us dumbfounded come after Ramadan Insha Allah.

Lolz

Hkana:
OP na badt guy gan @dagbaru.... Hehehe
Empiree do well ooo, we still like this thread. Lol


PS: anyone seen Sensei around lately?

Mehn! See traffic! For mid-night! I don late already

LadunaI:
@ikupakuti

Yaa . I tried arranged the ABJD following the format you gave last time, but the subsequent letters on each ROW got me confused.

The structure is like this:

ا ب ج د
ه و ز ح
ط ي ك ل
م ن ص ع
ف ض ق ر
س ت ث خ
ذ ظ غ ش
....

Lol, don't say I will take 10yrs to complete my study o.o..

10 years ke ? Once you master the basics, thats all.

Is there known anecdote that Allah done that (revealed the date) to any of his Awliyah?

.

Ofcourse, such anacdotes abound in various books but the problem is that the date fluctuates from year to year.

Give us a spiritual tonic for this Ramadan nauu to ginger us up like verse of concern story you dished out last time. Or any other.

This ramadhan is energy sapping ni, make e go first

@ll wishing all happy fasting o. Eku ungbe.

Eku oun-gbe

Jamo90:
@ Ikupakuti I tried sending you a mail from here. did you get it? I don't know if it was delivered or not.

It delivered. Replied.

Empiree:
Huummm, really hate engaging people in ramadan but i rather drop this before my memory fades after ramadan.

So in conclusion, the interpretation given by the Sheikh is from where?.....ilm batin?. I thought ilm batin doesn't exist according to you?. If Sufi sheikh had interpreted the ayah the way this sheikh did, would you have agreed with him as you agreed with this one or would you have said the interpretation is from his desire and started quoting against innovation?. Dont you think the SHeikh interpreted the ayah bcus of the TIME we live in to suit his purpose?.

Although i am not surprised but coming from you to say the ayah had meaning (hidden meaning) beyond apparent meaning is something known with sufis. According to you, people who believes in hidden meaning are considered "mubtadi". So did sahaba, tabi'i and tabi'i tabi'i understood the ayah as sheikh interpreted it?.


Just my thought. You really dont have to reply me cus my ramadan is used for ibadah. So ain't got time for this. Your post only caught my attention.


#doublestandardcited
ikupakuti

as usual.

A muslim is suprised that the uncreated word of God who bears AS-SAMAD (the eternal) did have other meanings even if one is going to give a verse a million interpretations, you aint started yet why ? Cos they will all be within the confines of Language (created) and a created cannot encompass the uncreated.

How fasting ?

May God enlighten us.

LadunaI:


Lol...My, borrowing leave from how Sheikh Ul- Islam; ibn Taymiyah(ra) use to call Sheikh Abulaqadir Jilani(ra).

Actually, I did tried in written those huruf out about 23 in total, their freq and nv, but am stucked @ differentiating aerial, aquatic etc stuff. And my search as not yielded much.

Perhaps, you give a comprehensive detail of a particular ayah, so that I can have a glimpse of how it will be done.

Thanks for all your yester replies.

Lols... Sorry, I thought you got the explanations way back ni, if you arrange the ABJDs in a table of 4 rows 7 columns, the 7 huruf in the first row are FEIRY headed by ALIF, those of the 2nd row are EARTHLY headed by BA, the 3rd are AERIAL headed by JIM, the 4th are AQUATIC headed by DAL .

#Yeah, they are 23 types in all.

Empiree:
I Think There Should Be At Least A Quiz This Ramadan. Let's Try It. Nigerian Based Participants ONLY.

This Is Going To Be One (1) Question requiring four answers.


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NOTE

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Answer is ONLY submit ONCE


The Question Starts Right Now


What Are The Four (4) Beings Created By Allah That Had Neither Father Nor Mother?

Nice one.

LadunaI:

Haba Wetin novice like us know about all these things.

Abeg give us details of the external source that resulted in that "CONFIRMATION"

Thanks

Sayyidi, where is our KURSIYY & others ?, its almost a year now

Empiree:
Also, This beautiful Durood is written by our noble and beloved Imam Ash-Shaf'ae (RA) in his Kitaabul-Risaalah and here it is


Google Translation


May Allah bless our Prophet Muhammad whenever he mentions those who remember

And he forgot about the unknown

God prayed to him in the first two and others

Better and more, and I pray what he prayed for one of his creation

Vzkana and you to pray it

, The best of any one of his nation was blessed by his prayers

. Peace be upon him and God's mercy and blessings



Google translation is rough

I fear google translate It has got no respect for grammatical synthax at all

shawl:
The term 'tahaduth' was added quietly above and now you guys are using it upandan without carrying others along (speaking for myself). Please explain me!

We are waiting for Sayyidina Umar/LadunaI (ra) to school us further....this is brand new from him.

LadunaI:


Is that similar to the salawat coined by Imam Shaffi(ra)? I learnt the Imam has one beautiful daroud he composed for Holy Prophet (saw).

(@ikupakuti) any idea about that salawat?

Honestly, I cant say for sure if I‘ve got that salat as I‘ve lost count of the salawats in my collections.

@empiree formulation of salawat/daus wasnt bidiatic until “they“ came. The sahabas have being formulating & using duas in the presence of the holy prophet (saw) without him objecting to it, he even remarked that some prayed with ISMUL AZAM

LadunaI:
#Thanks @ikupakuti I got the gist.

#Good to know you experience that that even more often. Perhaps, henceforth, I need to be adding to your name AL-MUTAHADUTH lol . Its lovely experience.

Actually, I do relish that experience whenever it occur, though NOT as often like your case. Maybe, I need to step-up my adhkar lol

Thanks

YA AYYUHAL MUTAHADDITHU @LadunaI I tell you there is no BUSHRAH more blissful than a reflex KARAMAH, where universal laws are suspended or temporarily aligned in obedience to you, independent of your volition & expectations. Its better than when one have to compel it.

#lols @ more often like you are aware of mine‘s frequency

But mine is often from external source than individually. Usually after extracting a sirri, it has become like a norm, I must get a “CONFIRMATION“ for its validity/accuracy.

Empiree:
@ikupakuti,

I have been looking for this salawat long time. This is salawat we used to recite after completing marathon Yasin, Jabariya, khutba etc. We used to recite 1000 of them recite collectively. I just recited along with them back then but i was sure it was salams on the nabi(SAW).


اللهم صل الله سيدنا محمدين و على عليه و صاحبي و ليبية و على قولي من أجرني ورجه

allahuma salle allah sayyidina muhammadin wa ala alihi wa sahabi wa libayt wa ala kulli min ajirni warajahi


Google Translation:


"Oh Allah, bless our master Muhammad and his companions and his household and to say my reward and hope"

This google translation is definitely not comprehensive. But the arabic phrase is exactly what it is. You can help get better translation of the arabic text especially the last part highlighted

I think the arabic text is like this :

اللهم صل على سيدنا محمد و على اله و اصحابه و اهل بيته و على كل من اجرنى و رجأنى

ALLAHUMA SALI ‘ALA SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA ‘ALA AALIHI WA ASHABIHI WA AHAL BAETIHI WA ‘ALA KULLI MAN AJIRANI WA RAJA‘NI

“OH Allah bless our master muhammad & his family, his companions, the dweller of his house & also (bless) whoever rewards me & keeps my hope“

Empiree:
Some infos and comments on Solatih fatih

https://sidratulmuntaha786./2010/01/22/salat-al-fatih/

@ shawl, i dont forget info you requested. Just taking my time and will furnish them as Allah permits.

Ramadam Kareem

Special thanks for this link

LadunaI:


Actually, many of those phenomenon greatly overlap

Yes, they appear overlapping & can be confusing.

1. Kashf ....thru "EYES" and HEART ( vision)

Yes, Since kashaf means unveiling, I‘ll assume it to apply to all the 5 sense organs, by suspending there physical side & activating there spiritual side to access spiritual infos. Here, the mind/heart is not directly involved but would get informed through those organs.

2. Ilham....thru HEART (conceive)

3. Ilm laduni...thru HEART (deep,thorough and strong conceive)

4. Wahy(specialty of prophets)...thru "EAR" and HEART

Yes, all these are under WAHY (can be angelic, dreamy, behind the veil, inspirational-ilhamy-laduny) which deals directly with the mind without the intervention of the senses. It is WAHYL TASHRI‘ (revelations of laws) only, that is exclusive to the rusul, other creatures & also the rusul can get other variants like UMMU MUSA, MARY (as) did get, even common honeybee got WAHY Q16:68.

5. Khatif will now be thru...HEART and "MOUTH" ( conceiving and speaking) . Am I right with all these classifications? I want you to critique it.

This is the most confusing one which could involve the physical/spiritual senses (of saying & hearing) in the case of Umar (as), since Umar relayed it physically but the reciever would get it through kashaf but if its not coming from a physical being, then that would be spiritual/spiritual.

What would you consider this to be; reciting of verse of Holy Qur'an inadvertently( not in the dream ), but in semi wakefulness ?, and such an ayah been recited perfectly answered the request been made prior to that incident.

TAHADUTH ! this is classified under LISAN-L-HAL (the tongue of the universal state), it can be individually or from an external source. I do get this alot, usually for confirmational purposes.

LadunaI:
^^^
# Thanks understood. And like someone who thru endeavour are given such without necessarily the intention behind his endeavour in the first instance. A shear GRACE from Allah.

# ok I will further research the argument for /against their prophethood.

#What is this Khatif? you mentioned above.

Thanks.

Khatif is a kind of swift/flash message whose channel is different from that of WAHY Q37:10, that anecdote of Umar (as) instructing a sahaba @ war front while present in Madina, such is delivered & recieved through that channel.

@LadunaI

#You know wilayya like any other attribute comes in two ways, either naturally/by birth or through endeavours. Someone born into wealth might not know what it means to be poor (meaning he might take his status for granted & not think it special) which is understandable. That hadith applys to the “endeavour“ route only.

#Though the mufassirun disagree among themselves concerning their prophethood. Those who denied based their judgement on their (brethren) misdemeanors, forgeting that they are also humans. They misunderstood ‘isma (immunity) of the prophets (as) to mean INABILITY to commit sins & not EXEMPTION from indictment, so they believe only Yusuf is.

Q4:163, here when God was talking about revelation to erstwhile prophets (as), while mentioning the descendants of Ibrahim (as) in order, when he got to Ya‘qub (as) who was their dad, he did not specify Yusuf (as) only as next in line but lumped the 12 of them together as ASBAAT, he then proceeded to mention the descendants of the ASBAATS etc.

#I think part of what blinded Musa (as) to those correlations was the fact that, his own happened within the confines of SHARIA but oga khidr‘s own was totally off the books while Musa (as) knew he has never shown outright disregard for the laws before, so we can excuse him (as)

Jamo90:


#Interesting! I do not have doubts about his righteousness but due to so many controversies surrounding him I had to rescrutinize. I have seen from your reply that you have stylishly refused to answer the question and turned it back to me. So I'll ask again. What do you think about him? lol

Lols I didnt evade your question, what I think of him is goodness. I only got to watch him on videos so I dont really have much info on his personality, but from the tone of your post & knowing our people I could sense where your skepticism could rise from, which prompted me to give that lowdown but then one cant be too sure, thats why I want you to say what controversy you know him to be in. As empire put it, we can only evaluate base on outward appearance.

As for other episodes of Musa/khidr affair, this is the first time I‘m hearing about it.

#Getting info on past/future events is not that hard for awliyyas, through kashaf, ilham, ilm laduni, wahy, khatif, angels etc infos can be gotten on whatever matter.

Jamo90:


#I'd like to ask you and empiree what you guys think about Sheikh Sulaimon Faruq? What do you think about him?

lols first of all, what prompted your skepticalness towards him ? What made you to doubt his righteousness ? What did you noticed about him that didnt add up ?

As for knowing whos who...there is no clear cut rule. As in, majority of awliyya are disguised. Some do not even know themselves.

Excluding the affairs of batini, the rules of which is in contrast with that of zahiri, the SHARIA of the holy prophet (saw) sits atop & over-rides any speciality or grace granted to any walliy of muhammedanism, as in none of them dare float the orders of the holy prophet (saw) or show blatant disregard to the SHARIA & they are all well aware of that.

What happened between Musa (as) & al-khidr when he murdered that boy which got Musa livid, should any walliyy try that in the open, he will be executed regardless of whether he got special permission directly from God or not, the SHARIA must apply, since it has come to the open, unless God makes a special intervention which hardly happens.

Willaya cannot stop a walliy from commiting sins or following his desires, inshort, no position a human will attain in Godhood that will absorb his humanity, the brethren of Yusuf (as) were already prophets before they went & meet him in MISRA, but their prophethood did not stop them from telling a lie & being sentimental Q12:77 also it didnt stop Musa (as) from flipping off by assaulting another nabiyy Q20:94 Q7:150.
Immunity belongs to NUBUWA only, meaning a nabiyy is above the law he brought, should he @ any point in time go against it but a walliy has no immunity & thus would be charged, unless he is forgiven or interceeded for...but then lets hear your view of him.

‘Afaaka llah @LadunaI... been a while

#Some people mistake perspective for essence, and it usually starts from literalists who go poking into advance books of the SOOFEES, mischieviously quoting phrases just to create controversy & confuse people since thats what they thrive on. Those books are specifically targerted @ certain audience & not everyone. Those they were written for easily understand whats being discussed without elaborating coz its their field. Fatiha is greater than Baqara (by virtue) & Baqara is also greater than Fatiha (by volumn), just a matter of perspective.

#That “woman“ (ra) lied not, only those who have indulged can testify to what the heart feels/gains by sending DAROOD upon the most worthy (saw) instead of people to sit down & do practical, they‘ll be policing up and down with their twisted brains.

# You mean our translation is not ready? How I wish I have the luxury to do that translation, the thought of it only sef dey fear me. but its a promise I‘ve made, may God help us.

#My bad! I‘ve forgotten that request on dem RIJAL GHAEB. I‘ve read many hadiths on them, with some differing in matn concerning their numbers...but the porpular view is that, the Qutb/Gawth is the heir of the holy prophet (saw) who inherits some portions of his maqam passively, the Awtaad are the heirs of the 4 Khulafai, the Abdal are the heirs of the remaining 6 that were giving assurance of jannah, the Nuqbai are the heirs of the 40 present on the day Umar (ra) converted, the Nujba‘i are the heirs of 313 Badarites, then the rest whom only God knows their sum Q74:31. It is said that, God uses them to indemnify & insure the ummah of Muhammad (saw) so they are ever present until the hour.

RAMADHAN KAREEM.

Jamo90:


Yeah I'm now certain empire.e doesn't recall majority of the story. Though, when I was young an elderly man told me the story about some masquerades who were asked not to pass a street by an Alfa. I think they even assaulted a woman putting on niqab and still passed the street. The Alfa made some prayers and all the masquerades couldn't remove their costumes. It stuck to their body. Everyone of them was confused and people who were not even Muslims admitted there is nothing greater than la ilaha illallah. A lot of People converted to Islam on that day.
I wasn't present and don't know the particular place this happened. I don't have all the facts.

#I've asked a friend of mine to help me look for dawatu Jabbariyya, he's still searching for it. Are you sure it doesn't have another name or alias well known than this one?

#Expect a mail from me soon.

#That story kinda sound familiar, like something I‘ve heard before.

#Thats his name DA‘WATU-L-JABARIYYAH, I do not think or know it with anyother name. Its very popular, whoever knows it knows it. Had it been that my friend is still around, I‘d have gotten it for you. I could only remember some part of it now. Just offer some money you‘ll surely get it, as people dont like giving out sirri just like that for some reasons.

#ok expecting ur mail.

Jamo90:


haha even pakuti is on recess. I hope he'll have more stories for us when he comes back.

I still don't understand how you forgot the alagemo story o.

recess ke ? Nairaland is my number 1 news feeder for long, I always visit here.

I‘ve studied @empiree‘s body language, I dont think he‘ll “remember“ that alagemo‘s story

God stated in the Quran Q2:261 that he does multiply in reward to the highest fold imaginable for whoever he wants & that FADHLI (favour) lies in his hands & he does bestow it to whom he chooses.

Its not everything that can fit into our understanding. How do we rationalize The hadith that said 3 IKHLAS are in equivalency to the whole Quran which also contains that same IKHLAS ? I can perform salat with the whole of Quran starting from fatiha, does it mean one can also perform salat with 3 IKHLAS without fatiha ?

When people hear the saying that something is greater than the Quran in reward, they take it to be a form of degradation of the Quran due to their poor understanding lols its only in a certain perspective, thats all.

Al-maktoom (ra) said in JAWA‘IR that when he returned to TILMICAN from his famous hajj of 1778, he did engaged in fatihi due to what he read in WARDATL JUYOOB that it is worth 600‘000 salats. That the author also quoted al-baqir as-siddiqy saying that, whoever recites it once & doesnt get admitted into paradise should hold him liable before God for it. He said he continued till he got back to ABA SAMGUON, where he got another salat thats worth 70‘000 of DALA‘ILU KHAERAT. He droped fatihi & embraced it due to its lofty reward. Then the holy prophet (saw) commanded him to return to fatihi. He then asked him about its worth ? He said the holy prophet (saw) told him firstly that, its single recitation is worth 6 Quran & then later on told him that a single recitation of it is worth 6000x of all the TESBIH occuring in the universe through dhikr, dua whether big or small & also the Quran since its also among the adhkar.

Now, thats the literal Quran. Al-maktoom said in KUNASHI that the Quran in its capacity as the ultimate signature of God, that nothing created can be used to quantify its worth. That if one is to collect together all the adhkar, tesbih, salawats, rewards from the begining of the eons to there end, all wont measure upto a single haraf in the Quantum Quran.

shawl:


@ikupakuti
@Empiree
and co

What can you say about the reward for love and honor for the prophet, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam?

I actually love this angle from which you chose to veiw this matter.

#1- Now, before we come to fatihi & other salawats, lets look @ Q49:1-3 where God hinted the esteemed sahabas that a single ill-manner (su‘ul adab) as little as raising of voice before the holy prophet (saw) could crash a life-time effort, no matter the calibre of whos involved, without such person being the wiser. Now, let invert the ladder, in the same manner, a little reverence/respect/love as little as lowering of voice before him could erase the sins of the greatest sinner ever whos got no single ibada to his credit, without him even being aware.

#2- Again lets look @ Q33:56, here, God doesnt recite the Quran or engages in any dhikr but pre-occupies himself by sending salat upon his beloved, along with his troops of angels (with all other creatures @ large for those who understand). Now the act of God has no begining nor ending, it stretchs from pre-existence to eternity. Now for whoever does a single salat for the holy prophet (saw) God will return the gesture to him by doing 10 of his “own“ kind of salat. Now what scale are we going to use in weighing or quantifying a single act of God ?

#3- According to the hadiths, what is the reward attributed to the literal Quran in terms of hasanats ? The highest is 100 hasanta per haraf while standing in salat, which is not up to 34million hasanats, can we compare that to what a single act of God would amass in terms of reward if it could ever be weighed ?

Modern muslims think those awliyyas just do open their mouths & make unfounded claims, you see, all those reward being attributed to fatihi & other salawats are just tip of the iceberge, take that from me, just something to fit into peoples brain. What they command in terms of reward cant be quatified & thats the hard truth.

I refused to quote you for a reason & I am sure you know that.

Now get off my mention as I‘ve got no attention to spare. Thank you as you comply.

Empiree:
Lo ba tan. I just dey talk am

How can these people reason with you?.

How can you reason with them?

They don't believe in Islamic spirituality at all.

Is this not misguidance, and yet they claimed to follow salafi salih.

Sahaba are people of spirituality, The Sufis..

Who cares about charlatans.

they are allergic to reasoning, & you know 1 funny thing ? Bn baz didnt quote a single hadith or reference a salaf in arriving @ his conclusion. He only relied on hearsay you will be suprised to see another fatwa by same bn baz condeming same interactions between humans & jinns especially when its coming from the sufis they are the definition of confusion.

Empiree:
....

Pls, where is this ? This is sacrilegious!

@empiree

Trying to explaing the concept of colours to a blind is almost useless & you cant blame him. Those people dont see beyond their nose. Always running to islamqa to copy & spam thread with. They got no original ideas of themselves.

Though the copied rebutal got some point, that some of the claimes are inaccurate while some where tailored to fit. Such was started by that egyptian heretic, Rashad Khalifa, he went as far as expunging LAQAD JAA KUM from his own “Quran“ claiming it wasnt revealed, just so his “miracles“ of 19 could flow through, as if 19 is the only number.

But as usual with the children of hate, they always focus on minor misdemeanours of few to discredit the whole clique.

They cant survive without having sensible people to argue with, I dont like engaging them as they could infect someone with their rustic mentality