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Burntpalace:
I believe the accused is a cc fraudster who also threatens his victims. And this issue should be taken to the authorities. I believe the accuser was complicit in some actions but may legally be able to get off lightly with a good defense (based on what we know at least. We don't know the timeline of when she realized fraudulent activity was going on and how long it took her to remove herself from that.) I am in complete disbelief as to how the accused fell for all this in the first place.

Some girls like scam artists. Their boyfriends make $15/hr , but they don't question him when he start showering them with questionable source of money.

It's easy to get swept up by a glamour life, esp when the money is coming from another source. Who knows, she may even have been egging him on. Helping him to try different credit cards.

jaybee3:
Exactly my point

Babe3 couldn't have understood all that since that's what was sold to her

Are you Babe3?

Make she explain her ignorance to the Law. Since una sure of innocence, let her go to court.


Your extortion of funds from an alleged criminal without taking this issue to court is punishable by the US federal law [where they stole money], UK federal law [where coogar resides] and Finnland federal law [Babe3's origin].

jaybee3:
What's up with the disrespect?

Don't you dare accuse me of half truths if you don't have evidence to the contrary.

You are also a concerned citizen so do the needful and stop ranting

Nuff said#

So I'm gonna go to the law and say coogar and babe3 defrauded so and so?

Who is coogar and babe3?

Una wey get all the evidence, address, names, bank info etc....God chop una feet? Una no get phone to call cops?


When Babe3 was traveling business class, staying in hotels, decked in designer shoes and bag with cash coogar alleged stole from innocent people, where were you?

Yet you can vouch for guilt/innocence?


And why are you guys hiding posts?

jaybee3:
You asked questions and i've tried to explain to you at various times but yet you are hell bent on your idiotic campaign

If you are as concerned as you are trying to make us believe then what stops you from demanding for the so called evidence so you can help forward them to the authorities ?

Sir, earlier, you and your soldier ants mentioned that you've taken the case to court.......can NL have that evidence?

My ediotic campaign? Oh my!


cc Seun

bennyrazz:
[size=18pt]the court, the prosecutors will look into so many things but NL would be tagged by foreign reporters/journalist as a Nigerian forum where cyber-criminals meet[/size], that alone is bad for seun's business and you can't also imagine what they would write, there would be uproars here and there and who knows the prosecutors might even go further to get an injunction blocking NL from the whole of UK, US etc

Na today?

Or NL can be tagged as forum that fights scam artists.

Whichever one seun chooses.

Sh0llypopz:
Quick question. The $4,000 case isn't an isolated incident, is it? He had collected money from her numerous times and promised to pay with his credit card, right??

Is this the first time "his" credit cards refused to work and if it isn't, why is she having an issue with it now? I am not sure I fully understand what is going on, so pardon me if my question seem silly. If I borrow someone money and every time I borrow them, it's a hassle to get my money back, why would I continue to do it?

Great questions!!

If you see their evidence, you'll see that the girl showed neither surprise or shock.

She has been dating him for 3 years, which court would believe her stories by moonlight?

They're both alleged criminals...an accomplice and a credit card fraudsters ....... two arabian thieves at night.

Imagine, someone right now somewhere in the USA is devastated because she has to pay back money she never spent. One elder adult somewhere has been defrauded of her social security funds.

jaybee3:
Sagamite, abeg help me explain the allowable expenses ish for contractors jare cos that's the koko

Hotels
Rents
Professional Exams

All the above are allowable expense if indeed he is a real IT contractor

However, it's impossible for him to claim such since he can't possibly be working in the UK and having all that expense incurred overseas at the same time

Tuition fees isn't an allowable expense

It's fairly easy for a novice to believe they were genuinely helping when they could have been used to perpetrate criminal activities

Don't be a coward by draging sagamite into this.... I'm talking to YOU.

Don't try to convince anyone with shaddy articles and half-truths. You have all the evidence? Take these two aleged scammers and credit card fraudsters to the right officials.

Stop protecting criminals.

jaybee3:
Extorting her own money that was [size=18pt]alleged to have fraudulently taken from her[/size]?

You still aren't getting it

The girl alledgedly sent her school fees to coogar so he can use his business account to cut down on his taxes (The plan would have been legit if they were married and she lived in the UK as it's a tax avoidance scheme which isn't a crime)

The issue was he collected the money but then used a stolen credit card to pay the fees which was then chargec back.

She obviously had to source money from other means to make the original payment meaning she lost $4k in the process

Her intention was genuine as it appears she was only trying to help her bf at the time


What part of that don't you understand?

She wouldn't have known the arrangement was all porkies since UK tax system for contractors is a li bit complicated and most times contractors need accountants to break it down for them.

The Arif angle was to perfect the storyline since she was a complete novice

Abeg oga, this is all noise.

SO IT'S NOW BACK TO ALLEGE?

I thought you guys were so sure that it's her money and that it's her school fees.

You carry gala for your head without even getting the full sides of the story, allegedly claiming that Babe3 is innocent and coogar is guilty.

Sir, you're may also be guilty of coercion and extortion of money from an alleged criminal.....only the court has the legal right to determine who is guilty/innocent and who is being owed money.

Were you there when they were sharing stolen money from stolen credit cards?

So she came to you ba? Why not go to the right authorities since she has evidence? Oh she had? where is THAT evidence?

Who made you judge/jury of NL? And why are you protecting criminals on NL?


cc Seun

Did jaybee3 actually said I like arguing?

tele tele nko?

If I see shaddy activities, shouldn't I point it out?

Is extortion not a crime?

If coogar pays without taking this to court, this is extortion and if babe3 collects the money she is also guilty of blackmail. So are will the people egging coogar on to pay are perverting the course of justice.



cc Seun

Sagamite:
I always translate because of those reading that don't speak Yoruba.

That is how courteous I am.

Even in real life, I don't speak in Yoruba if one person is there that does not understand the language.

And 80% of my friends in London are not Yorubas anyway.

Sagamite, stop being posh with me, ajepako himself .

Next time you want to talk to me, let's converse in Yoruba.

You'll statrt speaking Yoruba by force

Sagamite:
Watch when I practice with Obesere. Butter must melt!
We are involved o. Tkb is my credit card supplier in Nigeria.
He supplies me with credit card from Nigeria with specialisation on Ekiti people.
When I pay my Council Tax, it is an Ekiti address the credit card is registered to.

lol oloshi. I don dey suspect you sha

I been say this bobo's cloth is too fine for $5/hr

Ekiti addresses? I'm sure that toutish clown Fayose is in on it

bennyrazz:
Ileke_idi now ilekeHD just drop all this already. At the beginning of this thread, somehow coogar said he was going to sue BABE3 for making libelous claims. Babe3 showed evidence of where coogar threatened to release her nudes in other to silence her. Apparently, it was a bluff. We all know the whole brouhaha so no need reeling out the whole show. I get your point in letting the authorities know. Seun as a disclaimer in place so you can't hold him in court for anything although he could be held accountable for other things because Nairaland has no privacy policy and terms of service. But that doesn't mean when things go south between members, he has to be the one reporting to the authorities when the parties involved have decided not to report to the authorities. If the parties involve decide to go court, seun could be summoned to be a witness in the case. But in this case, there is a third party whom may have been defrauded. The owners of the CCs. If you feel the mods are not doing enough and you want to take it upon yourself to report to the appropriate authorities, no one is holding you down and if they are, we will support your cause. If you request for the evidences they have so far including the names, phone numbers, addresses of the both parties BABE3 & Coogar and they are not giving you, that is when you could accuse them of cover up. Not that i like some of them mods thought

1. Making coogar pay before taking this issue to court = EXTORTION which is punishable in court itself.

2. Both are guilty of blackmail : "blackmailing to bring this on NL unless he pays" and "blackmailing to post her nude pixs if she brings the case to NL"

3. Coercion and abetting an alleged criminal : the mods [r231/jaybee3/airmark/etc] and those involved.

All these felonies are punishable and grievous offenses.

4. All the stolen money wey Bbabe3 don collect sef...for hotels, first class trip, etc as una claim..... she will need to pay back too.

Dyt:
What magomago behind closed doors
It's either you settle in court or outra court
Dude decide to settle outta court
It was written here
So what magomago you talking about?

"Coogar is begging behind closed door"

"coogar is talking to justkay to settle this"

bla bla bla.....why are they entertaining alleged criminals?

Dyt:
Yes it is about cc fraud to some but to a woman like me, its about the GADDAM THREATS

You can still prosecute threats......I'm also worried about the magomago behind closed door.

Burntpalace:
Sholly start here

https://www.nairaland.com/2733728/really-married-sharing-room-man/1#39990882

Many hidden posts but the main gist is there. That's where it all started.

@ thread, there have been many threads about scammers on NL. I can't recall one where there was such an overwhelming call for it to be treated offline and not brought to NL. I wonder why this case is so special especially when there is apparently evidence that NL is a hunting ground for the scam victims. How does it make sense not to bring it here to alert people? How does bringing it here preclude legal proceedings which should be pursued?

This case is not special at all....it's pertuated protection of scam artist on NL.

Out of all the cases brought on NL, how many of them has seen the courtroom? In this case scenario, the mods have all the information they need to take to the right authorities, yet......

We can't keep protecting criminals ...... we talked about jailing political corruption, but what about individual scammers in our street?

Dyt:
IlekeHD
Seriously I don't and never had a problem.with dating
The reason I came here was on the threats issue
If dem like make dem feck for snow

How can you owe someone and blackmail her with nude pictures
Is that not stupidity?

And the only thing people are behind her is cos of the threats
Then the almighty coogar comes up with crazy stuffs about the people asking him questions
Now isn't that crazy

This thread and awareness Is about coogar if anyone has issues with another they should come out.

And as for the bringing on NL
Yes it started here and people should know
Whatever happens afterwards ayleast the people here are aware

This story is beyond dating, it's about a credit card scam.

We don't have the full story. Let them take the adequate evidence to court. This NL has been turned to a jungle justice court.

They told us that they're withholding information because of court/lawyer gag......so we can't adequately determine what is going on here.

More reason why I'm doubting the partiality of those involved.
cc Seun. Have your mods do the right thing.

jaybee3:
Awareness of alledged scam/crime is different from awareness of a confirmed criminal

Only the court of law can proclaim someone as a criminal but our responsibilities as concerned citizens is to raise awareness of the alleged crimes so other potential victims don't fall for the same scam

I know you love to argue and i'm pretty sure we going to keep going round in circles so i'm going to stop repeating myself

Ok, can we please see evidence that you took this to court?

: Boy meets girl, girl is down with the boy and his alternative lifestyle.

Relationship fizzles out a few years down the line....

Girl becomes clingy and refuses to believe it is over...

Girl: I will kill myself if you leave me

Boy: shrugs

Girl: please I love you, please you are the only thing that makes sense in my life, my life would be empty without you...

Boy: ...life happens to the best of us all...I will miss you...

Girl: watch me slice this knife through my wrist, i will leave a suicide note saying...you don't want blood on your hands take me back

Boy: dejected and desolately he falls for this emotional blackmail and complies (unbeknown to him he is now being unwittingly "abused"

Boy: says "Bleep it I'm done" a few months down the line, be gone with you girl, I can't deal no more...

Girl: what, you don't mean it, you can't leave me, you dare not leave me, remember you are a fraudster, dare leave me and watch me report you to the authorities...(domestic abuse of boy intensifies)

Boy: sighs dejectedly and again complies

Girl: you know what my friend needs her rent paid, she promises she will pay you back soon...and you don't want me to report you do you...

Boy: despondently wires money to girl

Girl: my school fees would be due soon and i believe this is enough payoff to finally get me out of your hair for good....This would be my divorce payout...I want to go with 6 of my friends to Mexico and would be using my school fees so I expect you pay my school fees when due...of course you remember what could happen if you fail to comply, CC fraud is a serious crime you know...

Boy: starts hustling double to pay this with the hope that this would be good riddance after this...or could it

Girl: gets wind of her boy chyking up another girl, the green-eyed monster swings into action, girl reports case to wonlash...(mind girl reports case of fraudster boy to wonlash Feb 2015, but she sinisterly and "criminally" gets a brainstorm and starts extorting money from boy and as at May 2015 was haranguing boy to pay her school fees,so girl finds a way to deflect wonlash' interest until..."




Please enjoy.


They claim it's her tuition money....wouldn't that have been enough evidence to take both of them to court?

We don't want Oluwole evidence, we want to see court evidence.

Sh0llypopz:
LMAO! I might be totally misconstruing your post but are you saying r231 and jaybee3 have a personal vendetta against the alleged scammer or are you saying they are not the right people to handle the situation?

I know you are bugged about the allegations against the two elders (jaybee & r231) on Nairaland community but this thread shouldn't be about them. Right?

Precisely correct!

The way they ran this whole case like their personal market is laughable.

Proper authorities should have been the first step since they claim they have all the evidence.

Their claims

1. We have all the evidence

2. All coogar needs to do is pay

3. We've reported to the authories.....but where is that evidence?

4. Coogar is begging offline and they're privy to it......why are NL mods collabing with alleged criminals behind closed doors

5. NL has decided babe3 is innocent......is nl a judicial court?

jaybee3:
[size=18pt]allegations were made on NL[/size] and it's not unrealistic for them to demand evidence to substantiate the claims made

They met on NL and the victim has her reasons for choosing to come public with her info. She is not my child so don't expect me to force her

Yes it would have made sense if she was the only victim but she ain't hence the reason for the awareness

Why are you demanding for evidence when you've also dismissed the need to provide evidence?

No one is protecting criminals so stop making false claims

1. Event occured offline 2. Both scammers did their deed offline 3. Justice should have been implemented offline. 4. If you really want to raise awareness, show us legal evidence that showed that these two have been proven guilty and/or innocent.

The whole charade shouldn't have been on NL in the first place. Now you guys are claiming that you're collabing with allege criminals offline? Way to go!


Here are the crimes : Credit card fraud, blackmailing, extortion, abetting criminals.

Toby77:
...yeah am out

No na. Stay....you've been here since the beginning.

I'm coming with my own script for people that still need a brief summarization of this vent. Wait, I dey come

4nobody4every1:
.

As someone with a law background and have worked on similar cases like this in the past, both parties involved in this criminality might likely be put behind bars,ignorance or been Naive is not an excuse in law, you did a comprehensive summary of the whole brouhaha l totally agree with your submission....

Gbam!!

It seems the mods may be protecting one of the alleged criminals.

cc Seun

remsonik:
IlekeHD I am very disappointed with your assertion,so you believed coogar trying to divert attention from himself being a scammer? People like that always want someone to go down with them.
I think mods have reached an agreement with coogar. I see no where coogar denied the allegations, all his been doing is trying to attack any who asks him an honest question. Maybe you should cross examine coogar and babe3 too

To all the alagba majeobaje's on this case,well done keep up the good work and make sure we see the end of it

I'm not here to impress anyone.....so if you're disappointed, get in line.

Dyt:
Well
Maybe ilekeHD and r231 got some unsettled scores sha
Cos I dunno what else the forumites want
Dude has proved himself to be innocent*r231* and some of y'all taking it like your life depends on it

Go back to do a search of the mugshot on Google if its still there
That's how much you know he's innocent

Mtchewwww

Diversionary.



Here is my unbaised view. I don't know coogar or babe3 offline, but I will give my unbiased view on what they've both said and tried to hide.


Coogar is an alleged criminal [ a real judicial court has not yet decided]. He lives in the UK but uses cards that has names of unknown individuals in the USA. He has not been able to adequately explain why he was using multiple cards from several people in USA. If you check all the evidence posted, there were instances where he asked babe3 to TRY several cards [5 cards in two hours I think] to ensure they have money. My people, help me ask, na love or stupidity? Neither. Babe3 has been with this guy for three years and she showed no shock or surprise that the's asking her to do this. THERE IS NO REASONABLE DOUBT in their conversation that suggests that she was coerced or unaware of the situation. Coogar may have been scamming to buy her LV, but Babe3 was rocking it and enjoying the money. A court would have asked her to spit out all the money she gained from their activities. He paid for her hotel for [3 or 6 months], first class trips, LV bags etc ontop of someone elses social security funds and hardwork. Sheer wickedness on both of you. May a higher power judge you. I have a family member who had her identity stolen and it has not been an easy process for her. She's still paying back thousands of dollars.

Blackmail: Coogar mentioned that he has been trying to get rid of Babe3 for 2 years now, but she no gree. She sent him video of her cutting herself [Self-Injurious Behavior]. To be honest with you, this girl is not mentally stable. During my undergrad, I worked as a research assistant for a behavior analysis clinic. I've seen her type being strapped down, so she wouldn't hurt herself. She needs medical help ..... in jail. When her videos didn't help, she started blackmailing him for money. Who knows whether her blackmails sent him to credit card fraud or whether she was blackmailing to tell the cops of his activities. From the evidence on NL, this many have been happening since the beginning of this year. Coogar agreed to pay her if she'd leave him alone [by May]. When he didn't, madam Babe3 went to jaybee3, r231, and others to acquire her money. Now they came on NL to wind up stories about the $4k being her tuition money. Which coogar said he had paid into [an] acct. Why didn't he just pay directly into her school acct? Because the card they were both using was fake! They both knew it.


Toutish Display on NL : The mods with their gang of soldier ants [multiple IDs, I suppose] now came on NL to "oust" coogar. What a joke! See the people representing themselves as judge and jury. They claimed they had incriminating evidence, yet they came to the NL court to display full agberoism. They should have taken both parties to the law, have the law decide on who is guilty and/or accomplice. I believe they didn't take the legal route because Babe3 would have been implicated. Why do they care? Because this whole charade was a vendetta against coogar. Each and every one of them had something against him. Coogar is not a loved man, by any means. He has created a nation of enemies on NL and our NL mods were banking on it. They were so beclouded by revenge that they aren't seeing the big picture; two arabian thieves in the middle of the night. Since they've made themselves the judge/jury, they've decided that coogar is a criminal and Babe3 is an innocent accomplice. Why not let the court decide?


Shady deals Off NL : Our groupies have been claiming that coogar is begging the mods behind closed doors. Why are our mods working with criminals? Begging for what? they claimed that all coogar needs to do is pay Babe3. Ahhhhh NO!!!! You guys will not sweep this charade under the carpet. Each year NL is traumatized by scam activities, and it's quite obvious that NL is enabling it. No court case, no punishment. Just an embarrassing display on NL. You don't want to take this case to court because you bit more than you can chew. You know Babe3 will be implicated as well. So you protected a criminal under the guise of "she was in love and naive". The law doesn't acknowledge INTENTIONAL ignorance. Now you claim that you brought it on NL to force coogar to pay before taking him to court. Since you have evidence I'm sure the court would have vindicated Babe3 and asked coogar to pay up. No? You also claim that you want to warn NL. Na so? Wouldn't the court had locked him up, thereby eradicating him as a threat on NL? I'd have been more interested had you brought us a court's final decision and a proof that coogar has been locked up and that Babe3 was proven innocent.

So this is the way I see it: They're alleged both criminals. You have all the evidence, their name and addresses, take them to the law. NL is not a legal system, it has no judge or jury nor a jail system. It's a market place full of vengeful and antagonistic characters.


cc Seun. Your mods are not protecting us from criminals. They're creating a climate for fraudsters. Is this how you want NL to go down in history? A playground for nefarious individuals? If you mean well, I suggest you have a legal team headed by trustable/credible individuals. ICT is a competitive playground. Know hoe to play.

jaybee3:
@ilekehd

Stop making unfounded statements as they seriously aren't cool

Now these are the facts:

Babe3 didn't contact me just so she can get her money back

The initial contact was made by myself after she raised an allegation of a threat to leak her nudes in order to permanently gag her. This was the sole reason why i got involved with the case.

We asked for evidence of the threat which was provided alongside other alleged possible crimes that may have occured whilst they dated

In analysing the evidence, we presented the information as is to provide a true picture of what we believe went down. [size=18pt]People asked for the evidence[/size] as it was claimed some may have been doctored

[size=18pt]The thread was opened to raise awareness for other potential victims[/size] and have her recoup some of her money back. Basically, the allegation was that she was sending her pay checks to him so as to cut down on his corporation/income tax (that was the reason for the round tripping of funds only for her to find out he was indeed using stolen cards to meet his end of the bargain).
The numerous charge backs has rendered her carless, homeless at some point and of course credit ruined because of all fraudulent activities and missed payments because of lack of funds.

My question to you is, what exactly have you done about it?

I've had curses rained on my son, slandered and had my integrity questioned just because i'm trying to provide some sort of support for someone that may have been otherwise bullied into silence

Check yourself before you start pointing fingers!

People asked for evidence.....are people the legal court in this matter?

Is NL a court?

You opened the thread to raise awareness......shouldn't the first step had been a judicial court? It would have made more sense had you come here with legal evidence.

You guys claimed that you took them both to court, show us that evidence. Stop protecting alleged criminals.

Grundig:
Ileke idi just dey chat opaks.

At least 3 people don post link make you report this matter. You still dey yan opaks

You reside in a country where things actually work. Not naija oo. But you still dey yan opaks.

Madam, save the opaks for people wey no know. You have the links and the processes outlined within. Send it over to the authorities.

Walk the talk miss lady.

I should send it to the authorities, do I have all the evidence the mods claimed to have?

bennyrazz:
Ileke_idi now ilekeHD just drop all this already. At the beginning of this thread, somehow coogar said he was going to sue BABE3 for making libelous claims. Babe3 showed evidence of where coogar threatened to release her nudes in other to silence her. Apparently, it was a bluff. We all know the whole brouhaha so no need reeling out the whole show. I get your point in letting the authorities know. Seun as a disclaimer in place so you can't hold him in court for anything although he could be held accountable for other things because Nairaland has no privacy policy and terms of service. But that doesn't mean when things go south between members, he has to be the one reporting to the authorities when the parties involved have decided not to report to the authorities. If the parties involve decide to go court, seun could be summoned to be a witness in the case. But in this case, there is a third party whom may have been defrauded. The owners of the CCs. If you feel the mods are not doing enough and you want to take it upon yourself to report to the appropriate authorities, no one is holding you down and if they are, we will support your cause. If you request for the evidences they have so far including the names, phone numbers, addresses of the both parties BABE3 & Coogar and they are not giving you, that is when you could accuse them of cover up. Not that i like some of them though.

No. I will not drop it!

I don't support gangs, bullies and corruption

Ban me if you like, I don talk my own.

Sh0llypopz:
@IlekeHD: Thank you so much. I have a much better understanding now; I'm still confused about certain things but at least, I get the premise. I never got to see the letter r231 posted.

I don't even know how to give my opinion on the issue without castigating babe3. I'm just in awe of this mess, this will go down as the messiest thread in Nairaland history. I can't.

They've left off so many things off NL..... they claim gag order. Bullshoit! Why not take to court then and wait for the court to decide before bringing this circus to town?

Someone posted his mugshot and he posted this as a rebuttal.

Pay close attention to the manipulation.

NLers please stop being cowards and start asking questions.

Confrontation:
[size=20pt]R231, you can keep on hiding posts.[/size] Mr peace Advocate. I know that you're no different from the depraved hypocrites. Just continue

lmaooooooo


cc Seun...... please see wetin dey happen for your NL o


Your mods can try to make my time on NL hell from now on, but at least I can say that I wasn't a COWARD!

Tokunboa:
Morenike aka Ileke has grown to be more confident on this site

Impressive...

I'm neither here nor there... I'm here for the LOLS and Lmaos

I see all of u have changed handles apart from Saga.. so he was never banned?

Is Nateevs now Nihilist?
I see some similarities.....

I am going to open a thread to ask for Missy-B... but if you know her whereabout.. holl

Nyways, we are in the dugout observing

U guys continue

Baba, awon girls don grow. They wan use me for fool on this thread.

E no be my business, but the way they went about the whole thing is just DISGUSTING!


Off to my meeting.....BRB.

Sagamite:
O ti gbo sweet talk ri ni! (You just have never heard sweet talk before is the reason!)

When I start with you, you go melt.



...............................

My ilekeidi peperampe, peperampe. ............O sugar sugar, sugar sugar ......

Let me go and listen to my Obesere for more practice.

No need to translate, I can read and speak Yoruba fluently.

Sagamite, na only this you get? E still no sweet. Keep trying

I still be solid butter for here

I sincerely hope you, tokunboa [tkb417] aren't involved in this whole charade behind closed door. My respect for una still dey intact.

Headlamp1:
[size=25pt]Hush abeg before I...................[/size]

cc Seun. See them...trying to hush Ileke. Eledumare pass una