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Interesting...it seems you are in haste...you just don't look at raw counts of events like these and start running with them. You need some common denominators so that you can, at least, do some meaningful comparison.

For example, if the murder count in Lagos is 1,000 (population, say 10,000), and in murder in Kano is 800 (population, say 8,000). Is it fair to say that the Lagos is more dangerous?

Look at the rates, Lagos=1,000/10,000 and Kano=800/8,000; the rates are the same! 1 in 10 person is murdered.

You have to apply the same mind set to these numbers, click on the rate per capita in the table and the scenario changes drastically.

Besides you did not address the points I raised head-on, and to be honest with you I have little confidence in these numbers, what are the methodology used? Who knows?

I get your point though, which is "lets prop up our country rather than bashing her all the time." I can live with that level of patriotism...  but when we see some seriousness from our "masters", we servants will show "hallelujah".  So for the time being, Nigeria is rotten, and we need to speak to the issues as they are.

Re: "Women in Kano State have been banned from riding in the same buses as men and from riding behind men on motorcycles as the state government extends its application of Islamic Shari’ah law.

The separation of the sexes in this state in northern Nigeria will be enforced by a 9,000-strong religious police force with the power to fine people who ignore the new rules."

This is the most lousy law ever!...so if Kano were a big metropolis like Lagos what would they do? Some are so drunk on power that they start having imbecilic tendencies.

How far into the future are you talking about?

Start posting so we will know what substance you are made of. I will keep my eyes on you Mr politician, and be ready to take some heat- some of us like it hot... sizzling hot!

The problem with our president is that he just talk and talk and talk. So the judicary is corrupt, eh, so what?
Does he have hard evidence, or it is based on mere anecdotes?

Has he just woken to that realization? And what is he going to do about it?...what he doesn't realize is that being the president, he can't just don't drop a bombshell like this without a clear plan on how, and what to do about it.
Now we will wait another year or so to hear how he's going to deal with the problem. A smart approach is to act first then talk later, na lie, naija man will talk first and start thinking of what to do later.

The statement of a head of state is important, and carries a lot of weight. You just to throw vibes around for the sake of it.

what's all that pintos? this is not a competition...

@ Obong on these

obong:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_cap
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

Look at those numbers and try to tell me about lawlesness. Its rape is almost double that of the country in second place...

Aside from the possibility of Nigeria not having the same data collection system (surveillance system) as S Africa and Zimbabwe, the web site states this: "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence."

What this means is that the statistics you have presented is dependent on;
1. The willing of a victim to report rape to the authorities, and
2. The effectiveness and efficiency of law enforcement

And I have these to add;
#1 is also dependent not only on the willing to report, but the awareness level of the victim to realize that rape is a crime. Now, this in itself, is dependent on the level of education of the victim and some other socioeconomic variables.

For your argument to be valid, all these factors must not  differ significantly (statistically) between the countries you are comparing. It remains to be seen how there isn't any differences between S. Africa, Zimbabwe and Nigeria, socioeconomically or educationally. I know the literacy rate in Zimbabwe is way higher than Nigeria's.

Any comparison of these crude rates is baseless and biased until you adjust for these confounding factors. simple statistics, my counsel.

and how come there isn't any West African nation listed in the data?

The lawyer in you is quite apparent; you responded to  a simple question with an answer with almost 10 lines!

Yeah, I know this is an overkill, but what else is there to do an a boring Sunday?....I rest my case, Attorney Obong, and as you can see, my vision is 20/20 and I'm not even close to being blind as you alluded earlier in the thread.

obong:
as a lawyer in the US i can tell you the same thing goes onhere in new york. Even some of the judges take bribes and one politician i worked for was notorious or it. Your perception of the US as a haven of lawfullness is misguided

I concur with you there...but when these guys are caught in the US, what happens? Who catches similar rogues in Nigeria? ...the issues of what happens is irrelevant, I beleive

So, if I may ask, attorney Obong, is the magnitude of lawlessness in these 2 countries of the same magnitude?

On a scale of 0 to 10 (0 being lowest), how would you rank these two countries?

Besides I do not doubt your statistics in S Africa...I wonder where Nigeria will rank if we have the same data system, uhh?...another biased argument it seems to me.

I believe this is are fair and straight forward questions.

The original thread says Lawlessness. If you, Obong, want to extrapolate that to violence and whatever, fine! State upfront clearly. What I know, and the basis for the back and forth between Obong and I, aside from his language, was the comparison he made between Nigeria and US. That is baseless, and there is no way you can spin that.

If anyone has anything good thing to say about Nigeria, they are free to say it in clear terms and loudly too. I'm all for it!

Seun: I do not really understand what you are implying. I love Nigeria more than you'd realize because I have a lot to lose if things go bad. So I do not have any problem showcasing the good stuff in Nigeria. And I have on Grandiose Parlor. Emeka has two blogs, Timbuktu Chr is just one, and he has had reasons to post from my blog and I likewise. Well this is a different topic entirely ...

obong:
I'm telling you that the police in the US kill for all those reasons, just as in Nigeria. Its a bad thing whether it happens in Nigeria or the US, but my ultimate point is that Nigeria is more than these negtive things. Just like the US is more than it negative parts. The funny thing is people think nigeria is so violent a country, yet vacation places like south africa and jamaica are more violent yet, if you asked anyone on the street they would ay nigeria is. South africa leads the world in both rapes and murders. But people think nigerians are the worse. You know why? because we go about exaggerating the problems in the country.

I thought the topic was on "lawlessness". But you'll rather spin the topic around war (you mentioned Sudan) and violence. While there may be some semblance around lawlessness and war/violence, there are sharp differences between the two.

So what are you going to study in grad school?

@ PINTOS

I'm afraid the Nigerian situation is rather bleak, but it can improved drastically. I think the moment the average Nigerians start feeling franchised and relevant- then we can "all step up our game" and be more orderly and organized. It is going to take a visionary leader that is intelligent, strong, tough, focused, passionate and resilient to pull us out of this mess. So far, those we have as leaders are just mediocre...maybe Marwa has something in stock...maybe...

"Nothing but lawlessness ? sounds like you are the blind man."

Ummh, that is some strong language there Obong! I'm not blind: I have 20/20 sight, and I'm sure you have full use of your sights also, and its good that we are both here in the US, so we are even.

Okay, US police kill, true that! find the statistics, it is sporadic. Do they shot and ask questions later? Do they shot because you would not cooperate with them? Are you even comfortable calling Nigerian police when you are in problem? Do US police pull you over and make you open your luggage at every check point? Yes, there is racial profiling in the US and you could get pulled over. But their reasons are different from naija police men.

Cultism and gangs...Yes you have sporadic shootings in US schools and you have gangs. So are you saying the college cults and US gangs are equivalent? Cultism in Nigerian colleges is exaggerated, you must be living in the moon! Ask anyone old enough about what happened in Unilag, UI and some other schools, they will tell you. If you relations that got maimed or killed, I'm sure your reasoning will be different. Do you know how many times schools were shut down because of this? Can you even fathom the cost?

Why are you afraid to call a spade a spade? You can not compare what happens here in US, or NYC with what Nigeria. That is a very biased comparison and very unreasonable, Obong.

I have been to Calabar - beautiful city probably one of the best in Nigeria, Calabar is not Nigeria, just like NYC or Minneapolis or LA is not USA.

What is VEE-NET global?

[quote author=trae_z link=topic=1092.msg20858#msg20858 date=1123321428]welcome, being see your stuff alot on "Black Looks". easy with the tobacco man. i want to see you live long. peace!

what do you mean by: Best time in Nigeria was NYSC years -some bottom of the world locale in Afikpo South LGA, but paid for it dearly. i didn't really get you.[/quote]Yeah, being seeing your scripts also...'sup up?

Afikpo south, Ngudu ede, or wherever I can't clearly recollect. This LGA headquaters (where I served)  had no water , no light, no bank, no roads. Yet it was pristine beautiful, peaceful, and beautiful and I hope it still remains beautiful.

Well, 12 months was a long time to be "jobless" because there wasn't much for me to do. I could have left but I felt I could make a difference...I saw corrupt top govt. officials at work...unfortunately I had to wine and dine with 'em to get paid my allowance. I was also at Umuahia, Etutu Eda, Aba, Port Harcourt...was lots of fun...

tcherokee:
Welcome to NAIRALAND.
I'd love to know some more about you like your name........
or you wish to remain anonymous

IMNAKOYA...very unusual isn't it? It is my name, anyway.

...probably the classical Renaissance man.

He was born and bred in a middle-class family, residing in south-western region of Nigeria. Spent a long time in school (Nigera and US), thought he was the brightest chap in elementary school until got whoppped in college.
Best time in Nigeria was NYSC years- some bottom of the world locale in Afikpo South LGA, but paid for it dearly.

Best educational years was grad school.

Simple outlook, yet presents a seemingly complex demeanor, very boring and stiff (he's working on it).

Love Nigeria and Nigerians plenty! Love his wife "plentier and plentiest". she thinks he suffers from chronic addiction, whether cyber or nicotine, don't know which. His family is all he has.

Use NairaLand to unwind from work stress...Love to "sniff around" Nairaland. Will love to drop really provocative posts though but...well we'll see

Business: Will love to have his fingers in all sorts of pie, 2005 may be the year! Show me the money, baby!!!

Politics...all talks no action...may run for LGA office later, time will tell.

Love gardens and water.

Idea retirement: Have a 100+ acre ranch with heli-pad somewhere in SW Nigeria. Generate power through a biogas generator.

Summmary: Harmless, old school, gap-toothed, youthful adult. Tenacious, charm-challenged (He's not sure about that), ... crazy as hell!

Grandiose Parlour

bioye:
can you name an example of when he took a step forward and two steps back?

1. Corruption (Tafa) versus Ethics (presidential library)

2. Mega business (TransCorp PLC) versus Small and Mid Sized enterprise SME(smallscale business men like Seun and some of you, including me and others): Extend the same incentives to SMEs, they drive the national economy worldwide, Nigeria isn't any different! (don't even talk about SMEIS, it has not worked)

3. Transparency versus "Nepotism" / partiality : TransCorp case: hand picked cronies.

I have nothing against TransCorp though. Well, you asked for one, I gave you 3!

The fact that one is not a resident of Nigeria does not mean one should be silent or apathetic about Nigerian issues. It is so obvious that there is nothing but chaos and lawlessness in Nigeria, that even the blind can see it!

Is it the okada rider or the molue? Or the police man collecting bribes and killing at will? Is it the area boys, or the road side beggars, or the street/highway hawker?

Recently a naval officer shot an okada driver to death (I was there, I read in the news prints), what happened next? The okada association went on rampage and destroyed both public and private properties.

There is refuse everywhere in Nigeria, soon you'll have refuse in front of Aso rock! You hear of lectureres selling handouts, many of this is a variant of financial extortion! They sleep with their female students too, how about the college cultism? The list is endless... There is so much decadence in the system people and you all know it! It does need to come from Achebe or some big shot.

This is a very valid and important issue and should not be turned into personal attacks, attack the message ( if you have what it takes) and leave the messenger out of it, please! Talkin' of lawlessness...

Aliko is a smart "businessman" and a very personable character, and that's all there is about him.

He runs a Cartel, he has the monopoly of sugar, rice, flour, cement etc. Just one person!

Bring someone from the most remote village in Nigeria and give him these privileges, he will succeed! Now you have Transcorporation....well that is another topic entirely.

One thing we all need to learn as Nigerians is the ability to criticize constructively, and react maturely and intelligently to criticism.
Our president is a "short-fuse"; he has no tolerance for criticism, and that is not what state-man are made of.

Moreover, anytime he takes a step forward, he ends up taking 2 steps backwards...He has tried, but he could have done much way better!

IAH:

To make many millions from stock market investing, you first of all have to have a few millions to invest!

Exactly! That's what I'm saying. You can't make your millions from scratch through shares investment. Well, maybe it's possible after like 80 years sha, your millions from shares will meet you in the grave.

You can't get anything from scratch, except if you won a cash lottery!

So investing in stock to make millions, from the "scratch", is somewhat absurd in the first place. Maybe I'm over reacting to these posts and just enjoy them for their entertainment value...so

[quote author=hot-angel link=topic=619.msg19314#msg19314 date=1123033094]That was exactly what i thought. I am an Oprah show LovePeddler...i watch her almost everyday, so i tend to agree with almost all her reasons as to why stuffs are right, or wrong. She supported the live 8 concert, but then she said the reason of the concerts were really not right.[/quote]So if "O" didn't exist what is your opinion about the Live8?

IAH:
Well, if anybody can provide me with a list of at least 10 Nigerians who made their millions solely on buying and selling shares, then I'm going to invest in it.

If that is the way you want to go about it, I'll say forget it!. They are more than 10 FYI, and they are not for public consumption.

Layota et all, can you do some research into this topic please? I think every Nigerian should know the basic things about Malaria. The only relevance of water to Malaria is that, like you said, bredding of mosquito. That's all; drinking "dirty water" does not lead to Malaria. So Seun is right.

Secondly the organisms that cause Malaria is not bacteria, ....find out.

kazey:
... why would i go through all the hassles, of trying to get the best of the best, when i know well that that area is not my area of passion?

Kazey: So, why are you pursing what you do not want? Parental pressure perhaps...What is your passion?

From:
Latoya: "...and may be boil water before drinking or get a dispenser just be clean " and
Hot-angel:"..and all "pure waters", should be really pure"

Fine, good to have clean and safe water, but what has that got to do with malaria?

Nigerian Graduates Unfit for Employment, say Industry Chiefs

Via Guardian Newspaper [Link Expired]  (July 26, 2005):

The employers say that the performance of the graduates in recent years has been abysmal.

The Managing Director and Chief Executive of Guinness Nigeria Plc, Mr. Keith Richards, confirmed the development in an interview with The Guardian recently.

He is joined by several others including the Managing Director and Chief Executive of UAC Nigeria Plc, Mr. Ayo Ajayi; as well as the Chief Executive of First Bank Plc, Mr. Jacob Moyo Ajekigbe.

Academics and researchers have also agreed with the submissions of the industry chiefs, highlighting the different factors responsible for the worrisome trend.

What say ye - recent Nigerian Graduates?
Who is to blame?
What are the remedies?

Kazey and Jofteck raised valid points. Nigeria in general is an emerging and evolving market...things won't remain docile forever, so if you have an idea, it really makes all the sense to explore it vialibility through some research. Do not allow the present state of Nigeria to discourage you, ever!...An enterpreneur will always challenge the status quo, and'll keep trying until he finds a way.

In fact, if you limit yourself to present events, you will never make it...strive to see the future! think big!

Interesting exercise in semantics, I'llsay.

Entrepreneur: one who organizes, manages, and assumes the risks of a business or enterprise, whereas
Businessman: a man who transacts business; especially : a business executive

Via Webster Online Dictionary, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=entrepreneur

Fire on at will, please.

It seems we are going off on a tangent!

The post is an inquiry on:

Cost of building and hosting a very good site for Nigerian use, and

The web-designer preferably should be in Nigeria.

This site: http://www.hellobc.com/en-CA/default.htm, is good. The site I want to build can incorporate the touch and all the jazz, if you can help or have an idea drop me a mail please.

Hidden_Hunter : I couldn't access your site on Sunday, 24 July 2005 @ 05:28:50 GMT

Web Cost Inquiry

Would anyone know the approximate cost (designing and hosting) for building a web portal similar to this:  http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/ ?

Would you know how long it would take to complete?

If there are any solid web-designers, in-house, and in Nigeria, please id yourself via my email. This is a potential business opportunity. Let talk.

Thanks, Seun, for the kind gesture.