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Untainted007:
Nothing is IMPOSSIBLE before GOD Almighty. But at the same time who else noticed the neatly plaited hairs on the girls who were said to be insane. Despite their insanity someone could still take time to neatly plait their hair.

Like I said before, the elder sister brought them to church. she said they were mad for 1 and half year, they took care of them, she even said, to feed them, they keep the food far away from them and they go to eat the food, by the grace of God, they were brought to church and God's power located them, the pastor didn't called them or prayed directly to them, he prayed generally for everybody afflicted, and the twins got healed along side other persons.
in Dr Paul Enenche's words, he's said before..
"We don't heal, it's God that heals and he heals whoever he wishes to heal, we pray generally for everybody but God heals, had it been we heal, we would have gone from hospital to hospital healing people, but It's God

paxonel:
there was no mystery behind tithing among the jews in the old testament. The jews were mandated to tithe because they had covenant with God as at that time before christ came and there was supernatural blessing from God to any jew who complied but not today anymore.
Even today jews dont know anything about tithing talkless of paying (google it) and God is blessing them like any other nation.
Yes, tithing was done by the jewish faith(judaism) but not in christian faith. Therefore it is fraud to introduce tithing in christian faith
There is no scriptural bases to support that your acertion that the disciples were tithing.
If there was anything like that in the bible the disciples who were involved did it out of ignorance and they were corrected.

I can't continue to argue because I know no matter what I write, you wont be convinced and I won't either (though not paying tithe yet as per not earning yet) but I believe in tithing...
I'd rather live as if there is a God and later discover there's non than to live as if there's non and later discover and discover there is ...-
Albert Camus

paxonel:
they tell you when you give you are giving to God.
Is God the one spending the money?
The one who is spending the money is using the money to acquire and maintain private jet for himself you are here believing that you are giving to God.

Now here this! God is a spirit, spirits does not need human money ok.
Its only humans that can spend human money .

With this you can understand why your pastor dont need to force you to comply.
You comply because it is already in your belief system.

Now, if these pastors are collecting this money from you people and they are teaching you people exactly what is in the bible no wahalla, nobody will critize them.
That means they are doing the job for which they are paid.
But if the case is that, they are twisting bible for you preventing you people from building your personal intelligence and know the truth and set yourselves free just like what they are currently doing?(because everything they say, lie or truth, you will accept because you so reference them)
Then, certainly they are fraudulent people, flee from them, you wount understand.
I was there before

when the disciples were tithing, was it sent to heaven or was it God that spent the tithe or ate it... The mystery behind the tithe is tithing by faith and not the physical ascertion people give

The devil is too wicked but no matter how wicked the devil is, when God shows..... the incredulous is inevitable.

Watched the service, the twins elder sister testified of how the twins were mad for 1yr and 6months, gone to several hospitals all to no avail, brought them to God's presence and Mercy located them...
God be praised!!!

paxonel:
i have already said that it is a fraud

ok, that's to you but giving back to God just 10% of what he's given me seems too small sef, so, aside tithe, I'd still give to support the poor, evangelism etc so far Jehovah gives me the resources. it's a choice matter, my pastor doesn't force anyone to pay tithe, he's never said its a sin but we'd do it and it won't affect negatively

May God save my state

paxonel:
the law has been in existence ever since God created adam and eve.
Thou shall surely die if thou eat from....
That is the law, the universal law

You disobey God you have break the law, then you die the death(according to jesus) or face purnishment its as simple as that.

Now, tithing is a different thing
Tithing was not a universal law, it was a jewish law only meant for the jewish tribe alone just like we have yoruba or hausa traditional laws.
Now, you dont expect the jews to pick any of the nigerian yoruba, igbo or hausa traditional laws do you?
Then why are you nigerians now picking their tithe laws?
Are you not willingly submitting to slavery like that?

Just know that God never created traditional laws humans do.
God only wanted us to obey the universal law of love God with your heart and love your neighbour as yourself thats all.
Any pastor quoting old testament asking you to do otherwise or obey jewish tithe law is a thief

what really pains you about tithing

5thElement:
The implication of what you just wrote is that Jesus lied.

he didn't lie because he didn't say he lacked anything, that he said he has no place to lay his head was because his ministry later transmitted into itinerary.
For as long as he was a carpenter, was he staying in the bush?
Remember, his ministry lasted for just 3yrs so the first 30yrs must have been in his HOUSE and probably he started his itinerary later and lef5 his house. (Can you be going all through the whole Nigeria preaching and have houses all over?) It was after he left capernaun and preached throughout Israel that he had no house but for the time he stayed at Capernaun, he had a house. Do you even measure riches by house acquisition??

coolcatty:
God knows i love this Pastor Biodun guy...he is a huge role model of living the christlike life....He exudes riches and wealth in everything he does...from his dressings to his fleet of cars..to the edifice that houses his church and private residence...one needs to step foot into COZA abuja to experience wealth in its raw form.....''you will be like if church dey like this..how will heaven be??...


I love this man walahi...He is a clear example that you cannot serve God and remain poor...i rather stay at home and watch ebony thre..esome moojo every sunday than worship in deeper life,mfm,choosen etc..those ones never motivate one to be rich..always dealing with imaginary enemies.

I love you pastor biodun.

could have been nice if you had stopped and didn't add the last paragraph.

CodeTemplar:
Scientists say the world is made up of neutrons, electrons and protons but forgot about morons.

is ATOM same thing as "WORLD"

5thElement:
Arguing with you is like shooting ducks in a barrel

Matthew 8:20 reads
Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

Matthew 16:24 reads
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Read the parable of the rich fool

Luke 12: 16-21

Read the story of the rich young man

Mark 12: 17-31

Jesus had no place to lay his head as proven from the above passage. He lived on charity from the women who listened to him preach.

Now, read this about those who follow him

John 15:20
Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

Now point to one place in the Scriptures where Christ glorified riches and material wealth.

Don't get me wrong, it isn't bad to be rich, but at what expense? Going to church and worshipping God because you want to be rich?

Your pastors be deceiving you tey tey.

Mark 2:1
A few days later, when Jesus again entered Capernaum, the people heard that he had come home.

It talks about this house being Jesus’ home. By the size of the crowd it was obvious Jesus was a bit of a celebrity in the city. This verse also suggests it was not the first time people had gathered at Jesus’ house, as people were waiting for Him to return.



John 1:38-39 (NIV)

Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”
“Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
So they went and saw where he was staying, and they spent that day with him. It was about four in the afternoon. (His house must have been a good place for them to stay till the following day because 4am is not too late to go back to their place)


It appears from a statement made later, that Jesus eventually abandoned His house and traveled around Israel preaching the Gospel:

Jesus said to him, “The foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” (Matthew 8:20 )

However, Jesus’ ministry basically started off as a simple home group in Capernaum. It was here that Jesus came in contact with four of his disciples — Levi (Mathew), Peter, James and John (Mark 1:29).
www.opentheword.com

so don't say Jesus don't have a house as if it's because of poverty.

paxonel:
paying tithe does not make anyone poor,
It does not make anyone rich either, only the tithe collector is the one that is becoming rich, That is one sided transaction.
It was never scriptural,
It is defrauding

So??

Tithe existed before the law, during the law and after the law

are you a member of the occult?

FriendofGod:
So, you are Gaius

John was writing specifically to Gaius and it was only a wish. Which means John hoped that Gaius would prosper. In other words, only God can make someone prosper. We can only hope to prosper. That verse was not a promise to anyone. It was John's wish for Gaius. God might have had other plans for Gaius.

The thing that sickens me the most is how you people confidently pervert the Word.

CC 5thElement

Galatians 3:14
King James Bible
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Mark 13:37

King James Version
And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

paxonel:
you people are so daft!
Who is saying that oyedepo should poor?
If the man becomes poor how does that benefit me?

Afterall, yahoo boys are not poor how is that affecting me?

No one is wishing anyone to become poor here, all we are saying is that get your money legitimately thats all.
Tithing is fraudelent.
Tithe money is what pastors are using to maintain private jet.
The vast christians who are still paying tithe are ignorant just like ignorant whities falling for nigerian yahoo boys

Can you show me someone who is poor and he's poor because he paid his tithe?

FriendofGod:
My brother, you need the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit.

As far as His sojourn on earth was, Jesus was never rich. He depended entirely on charity and the moneybag was in the care of Judas Iscariot. He did not even concern Himself with the bag.

As for the Early Church, they lacked nothing in the sense that they had their basic needs met. Having your basic needs met does not mean you are rich. What are basic needs: food, clothing and shelter. If you have these things and are contended, then, you are lacking not.

As for the rich man of Arimathea, you might want to read more about him.

Ascertain how Jesus depended on Charity pls.

If the Christianity you know about is all about having your basic needs met, hope you do mind having a television, a personal transport means etc

FriendofGod:
So, you are Gaius

John was writing specifically to Gaius and it was only a wish. Which means John hoped that Gaius would prosper. In other words, only God can make someone prosper. We can only hope to prosper. That verse was not a promise to anyone. It was John's wish for Gaius. God might have had other plans for Gaius.

The thing that sickens me the most is how you people confidently pervert the Word.

CC 5thElement

Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and ALL these things will be added unto you.
I believe that if I should seek first the kingdom and love God (...for Jacob loved the Lord...) I would command resources enough to God's glory and advancement of his kingdom

5thElement:
Please excuse me while I laugh at your ignorance



Jesus was rich?



You need to sue your pastor for every penny you've tithed and dropped in the offering plate.

do you measure riches by private jet ownership?
Must Jesus fly aircraft to be seen as Rich man? Did you read from anywhere that he lacked anything or begged?
Even fish couldn't resist to give him money.
The Army men who killed him had to fight and cast lot in order to have share of his apron(guess it'll be of great quality)
He even had someone keeping his money without minding whether the person steals it or not (more likes having a secretary)
There's no way you can tell me Jesus was poor if you can't show me an instance where he begged for food or shelter or means of transport, whatever!

paxonel:
we have seen this a long time ago, his acertion does not translate to reality.
In reality, there is a huge drop in the number people paying tithe in church in recent times which has led adeboye coming out saying that if church members continue this way they will not make heaven.
Pastor Oritsejafor also threatened that if church members stop paying tithe they will die young, a comment that was triggered by the drastic reduction of tithers in his church.
Right now, our family pastor has complain this too. Infact, from my parents who are still reliable deacon, even though the number of people coming to church did not drop, there is a significant reduction of real tithers to what my pastor now call aparent tithers (people who used to pay before hoping that they start paying again).

The same thing applies to house of the rock (paul adefarasin). It was worst that people practically worked out of his church one sunday when he was preaching about tithe.
But his church population still remain the same.

So this adeboye's son is a big dreamer

from your ascertion, let's see if by you and your crew not paying tithe, If Bishop Oyedepo or any genuine Pastor would become poor

5thElement:
Oh really? He told you that uh?

How many of Christ's disciples were rich and prospered?

I guess you wanna be different right?

Jesus was rich, Non in the early church lacked ANYTHING so invariably they were rich!
When Jesus was killed, a disciple of his called Joseph of Arimathea, a Rich man went to collect his body(He must be a man of influence to demand for Jesus' body from the rulers).
Please get things right and don't let yourself suffer because of wrong interpretation of scriptures

5thElement:
What if all God wants you to be is a poor man. Are you ready to say "thy will be done?"

According to his promises to me he said: I wish above all that thou mayest PROSPER and be in good health...
so his plan for me is to prosper but peradventure....let his will be done because I can't have anything except it's given me from above

paxonel:
but tithe has been reduced yes or no

No

https://www.nairaland.com/4226535/leke-adeboye-thanks-daddy-freeze

5thElement:
Shey you know that no matter how much you yab me or defend your daddy in the lord, your foot will not step into that private jet.

Just be doing boy boy and be worshipping your daddy GO

Am worshipping no one Oga.
I may not step my foot in the private jet but I would become all God wants me to become. hope you know that?

COZA really celebrates their guests.
See how TD Jakes was welcomed

5thElement:
Con men have taken over Christianity.

why not just keep shut

LordOfNaira:
But are the auditoriums not useless? They have not helped to produce people of character. Why can't we build industries instead? Industries are more useful. I don't see the usefulness of these auditoriums. I have not seen one Christian, here or anywhere else, whose life is worth emulating.

I am a traditionalist but I love the character of Jesus. But his Christians? no way.

in there own ways they are impacting lives positively and noiselessly

LordOfNaira:
They are trying to outshine one another. See how they are in constant battle to see who builds the largest auditorium.

They are building large auditoriums because the previous one must have filled up with crowd of worshippers. So far the resources is available, I don't see anything wrong in building larger auditorium. People should be in church and feel a bit comfort not being choked with crowd. Do you expect someone like Dr Paul Enenche of Dunamis to continue holding six over flooded services every Sunday when there's resources to get a larger auditorium and reduce the services to possibly three?
Do you want someone of Bishop Oyedepo age to continue heading Five Over flooded services every Sunday?
That isn't competition but what should be

Sijo01:
Church is a competitive entity.

how do mean? he's not in competition with anybody. He's doing what he's capable of doing not because anyone did it or whatever

CAPSLOCKED:

VERY GOOD MOVE, SWEET DADDY IN THE LORD.

I BELIEVE THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT WE CHRISTIANS WILL BE FLOWN TO HEAVEN WITH ON THE LAST DAY.

HALLELUJAH!

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OAM4J let's spread the kingdom advancement news

If it glorifies God, no problem but if it does glorify Satan... NO NO NO