Happy New Year to every one. The discussion today is the story of the rich man and Lazarus, let us read the Bible verse before the discussion. Luke 16:19-31New International Version (NIV)
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

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LaaJiblik:


IS THAT AN INFERENCE OR YOU HAVE ANY SCRIPTURES TO BACK IT UP?
HOW COME PEOPLE DID NOT WORSHIP MARY (THE MOTHER) OR WORSHIP JOSEPH (THE EARTHLY FATHER)?

okay she had, why did she not stay with them after his death?

LaaJiblik:


WHY?
IF GOD COULD CHOOSE A MORTAL WOMAN, TO BEAR JESUS, THEN IT WILL SUDDENLY PAIN GOD IF ANOTHER CHILD SUCK THE BREAST OF MARY?

because he can't have a half brother and a blood line on earth. imagine if he had a brother who can get married and have kids, people would actually worship them and put them second to God that "blood line" would be termed holy from generation to generation

LaaJiblik:



If God never wanted any “human-interference”
Why would he send his son to come as a baby?

What makes you feel God and Or Jesus will feel disrespected if another child sucks his mothers breast? Or come from his mother’s womb?

is not about disrespect its about theological impossibility for one to be a half brother of God

Dikemaria:
Another example that gladly shows that Mary had no other child other than Jesus is, the search for Jesus in the temple after the feast of the pasch as related in Luke 2:42-50... From that scenario we observed that Jesus was 12 years old and that his parents came to the temple with him alone and searched for him after they discovered he was dead... If truly he had other blood siblings, they should have joined in coming to the temple as well as searching for him...

Secondly all through the scriptures no one is referred to as the son or daughter of Joseph/Mary as we see in the scriptures...E.g James and John Sons of Zebedee, Son of Alphesus etc.. as well as so many other signs...

personally I believe Mary did not have any other children because of the incidence at the cross as recorded in John 19:26-27 when Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near by, he said to her, woman behold your son and to the disciple behold your mother and from that moment the disciple took her to his home. Even if you read history, it is on record she lived with the apostle John in present day Turkey till she died, please if she had other children or her husband was till alive, would she have lived her whole life with another person? would Jesus had bothered handing her over till she died? personally I'm of the opinion that it is only someone that does not believe that Jesus is God that would believe that she had other children. If you believe that the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God.....and the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us as testified in the Gospel of John chapter 1 then you will understand that it is not possible for the womb that carried God to carry a mortal man, if you understand how powerful Jesus is that John the Baptist described himself as not fit to undo the straps of his sandals you will understand that the breasts that suckled him cannot suckle a mortal man. May the Good Lord grant us wisdom,Amen

muller101:
no need to argue with you
Read prov. 30:5-6 And Rev.22:18-19 you don't have to practice or include what has not been written down in the Bible. Now that you did are you aware that the curse of the Lord is upon you?

I don't know where to start from but the problem here is you do not understand the history of the Holy Bible and if you do not understand the history of something,how will you understand what it contains?.Each book(scripture) were written independently at different times,places,languages etc. e.g Genesis and Exodus were reportedly written by Moses before 500 B.C , the book of Luke by the apostle Luke around 50 A.D and Revelations by the Apostle John who recorded his visions in the first century. All these books existed individually although part of the old testament made the Jewish Torah. Early Christians read each scroll individually, It was later on close to 1000years later some scriptures were compressed into one and others were not added and they were arranged according to the sequence of the events from the creation of the world to the prophecy of the world to come, just like the way we had key point biology,key point chemistry, key point physics separately then the author will one day compose key point science encompassing all of them. Having said this, the Rev 22 verse you quoted is simply telling the Apostle John what will happen to anyone who attempts to alter the writings of his prophecy e.g I decide to write my own Bible and say it was revealed to apostle John that the number will be 1 million not 144,000 or the date of Christ coming was revealed to be 1st January 2018 etc. P.S I don't really understand who attempted to add Christmas day to the Bible. Before Jesus
Left he blessed his disciples and told them in Matt 16:19 I have given you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, whatsoever you permit on earth is permitted in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven. Why do you think he did this? Because his work on earth is to come and create the way while the work of others is to make it understandable. Paul who never met him was the one who ordered how the ministers would work.The apostles who met to break bread every first day of the week(sunday) did so without waiting for Jesus to tell them and so many things because they have the gift of the Holy Spirit. Not celebrating Christmas is not a sin just as Paul said but judging those that do I can't say for such because who exactly are you to judge for the Living God even worse is celebrating Christmas in sinful ways and increasing the prices of your goods during Christmas

9jakohai:
There is a simple explanation, and no i am not defending the govt.

1.During GEJ'S govt, the oil price was $94-120. That meant we had enough dollars to buffer the naira...and as a result the value of the naira was stronger..meaning we needed fewer naira to import rice.

2.Now, during Old Man Bubu's govt, the price of oil has fallen to $28-65. This means we have less dollars to buffer the naira, and the value falls.Meaning we need more naira to import the rice.

3.If oil jumps up to $100 again, rice prices will fall...see1 .

4.What does this mean?

a)INCREASE DOMESTIC RICE PRODUCTION...via mechanised farming and irrigation

b)Get other sources of dollars...ie industrialization., industrialization.

Fin.

the problem is more like exchange rate of the dollars, if you would need 2M to set up a rice processing plant in GEJ's time you would now need 5M to set it up not to talk about maintenance

yeyerolling:
Abeg this ya list no make sense. Pple do all these regardless ox xmas

as in eh

muller101:
Op where in the Bible were you ordered to celebrate Christmas
Better remain a pagan than being a confused Christian

where in the Bible were you told to bath two times a day, eat three times a day, browse nairaland, go to university, watch TV, wear trousers and shirt since you need to Bible to tell you everything why then do you need the descent of the Holy Spirit to give you wisdom?

muller101:
Did he ask you to set today aside and celebrate him.?

somewhere along the line Nigerian Christians actually think that all in the Bible is all that Christ did and said not knowing that what we have is just a recording of not up to 50% of what he did, the four gospel books are just for those who did not see to believe, p. S where did Jesus say you should not mark his birthday

there is nothing more dignifying to womanhood than a well clothed woman more especially when her hair is covered, I still remember going to the core north for the first time, though I'm not a Muslim but I was very impressed with the way the women dressed all covered both rich and poor, especially the rich, how they matched their abayas with a well styled hijab and walked with so much dignity, I was so impressed with womanhood, believe me you can't meet such women and insult them,you will even feel stupid trying to do so, I will always commend them as they seem to be one of the few women who are committed to make womanhood respected unlike those ones that strut around music videos, red carpets and magazines making women seem like mere sex objects, especially that FFK's Snow White that goes to church in cleavage baring,high slit dresses, besides who is FFK to talk about paedophilia with the high rate of child rape in the SW

ivolt:


You can't make money out of thin air unless you are a central bank.
Too much Nollyhood, I guess.

it's not too much Nollywood,it is just you living in sheer ignorance. my grand dad's brother was into it big time, he was one of the richest men in this country before the war, he had a damn Chevrolet as at far back no notable investment, the choice properties he had started having issues when he died, even if his kids sell them, the money will amount to no good, if you put it in your business it will crash, as I speak no one in his lineage is a millionaire because none agreed to join the cult after his death

damilare442:


He has a bachelor's degree in business studies and administration from Al-Azhar University, Cairo.
That's Dangote.

But not an MBA. Do you know how an MBA school operates?

On Tony Elumelu, He attended Harvard in his latter years and not when he was coming up as an entrepreneur. He already had two degrees in Economics in Nigeria.

Iyin Aboyeji is the cofounder of Andela and founder of Flutterwave. He was listed in Forbes 30 under 30 2017.

I'm not here to argue with you, wait till you start plotting your way to Forbes list and you see your self researching for a good business school, thank God you acknowledged the fact that they studied business related programmes hence they are financial literates, how do you expect someone that studied biochemistry to fare well in biz without financial literacy NB business schools offer other programmes aside MBA

damilare442:



Dangote
Otedola
Ayiri
Tony Elumelu
Jimoh Ibrahim
Iyin Ajiboye

Do you want more?


Its unreasonable to build a business school for 6bn. Nigeria's best business schools, Lagos Business school, how much was it built?

We nerd to start thinking in Nigeria. We need not attract sentiments and tribalism to all matters. This is one of the reasons why we won't grow. Our aged men are too weak to think in the right direction while the youths are uneducated literates.

with the exception of ayiri and the last person whose businesses I do not know, go and read up what dangote studied at bachelor and masters level, read also Elumelu's biography

overhypedsteve:
Well Business schools are supposed to be a place where entrepreneural creativity is expressed. Spending more money on a business school would not guarantee that the next dangote will come from there. The next dangote may be pooping as I speak in the mosquitoe infested swamps of warri, waiting for his chance to grab success by the neck. Who business school help? How many of our rich men go business school?

how do you plan to legally make money without learning the art and science of selling and buying, without learning financial implications, without studying money and how it flows?, yes,you can get rich without going to a business school but it is to the level of 20shops in onitsha with "mkpu na eri ego" chieftaincy title, but if you want to be rich in dollars with multinational companies and get involved in stock market please invest in a good business school, that is the difference between the owner of slot and other business men in computer village, if you want to be a doctor, you study medicine in a medical college, if you want to be a lawyer,study law in a law department,if you want to control money in dollars, study money in a business school, so the question should be how many of our LEGIT rich men did not go to a business school?

that is your karma, specially served cold, time heals every wound, forgive her and don't do anything drastic, on your 25th wedding anniversary, both of you will remember your faults and laugh over it

lustychima:
thank you for that wonderful response

Let us channel our resources to develop our region, buy the land in ur region
Build the companies and develop ur region

One day another ultimatum will come let me see if those houses will fly home
Just like some ran away in the north leaving their houses

very true words, you are welcome

izombie:
op this is my own question. If i come to your land and then you sold that very land to me, not rent but sold the land to me. Does it not make the land automatically mine? If you then come to the land that you sold to me to remind me that i am not really the owner of the land what do you think my reply to you would be? Yorubas started all this. You sold your empty land to an igbo man, 2 years later there is a 4 storey building or a nice duplex built on the land by the igbo man, then the yoruba man will come and tell the igbo man that this is yoruba land. Do you expect the igbo man to shut up?

when that same Igbo man dies, where will he be buried?, will he be buried in his "Lagos" house? no, he will be taken back home to the south east to be buried, I hope this explains to you the reality of life, no matter how you want to twist it, your home is your home. ukwu anyi no na mba ajo kwa

laudate:


Those people had cameras, and were carrying out a recording of the unfolding events, ba? But that was not the case here. This boy's mother was just peeping! She claimed she was not video recording the event, but just peeping? Which kind peeping would then make the DSS single out their home for invasion?

Gun shots were heard in the neighbourhood. Naturally, people would rush out to investigate or peep through their windows to check what is going on.

The OP wants us to believe that out of all the people peeping from the windows of their homes, only his own home was ransacked. Why was his home singled out from all the homes that had peeping people? Something doesn't add up!

I was in Anarmbra earlier this week, the situation over here is crazy, it is like a do or die affair,i have never seen a place so tense because of elections, gun shots here and there, I don't know how this report is, but from what I experienced it is possible

EMMAUGOH:

dont even know what to and how to reply you....lets just say u dont know what a mentor mean

I get your point, but in christainity have NO mentor or spiritual father, that is what Jesus meant when he said call no one your Father on earth,if your spirituality is tied to the way another man relates to God,you are worshipping God based on how you see your mentor worship him, once your mentor falls you too will fall,if you want to truly worship or believe in God, do that based on your love for your Heavenly Father, he who is perfect and cannot sin unlike a mortal man. P. S I would advise you talk to your "mentor" about his character, maybe your purpose in his life is to draw him away from sin, let the relationship be symbiotic,if he took you closer to God,do your own part to draw him away from sin

EMMAUGOH:

My sister this is how I automatically became a semi atheist.... Imagine given a priest phone to fix and of a sudden went to browser history and all I saw is porn links... This is a priest that has chase away half majority of his member because of immorality

if your faith is based on a fellow human like you that is mortal and will be judged on the last day like you then I'm sorry but you were not a Christian in the first place. in other news these bloggers are at it again

FarahAideed:
That noodels market is spiritual, despite the fact there are many better noodles the Nigetian masses loyalty is stuck with de uniteds Indomie

the taste buds of many Nigerians are already accustomed to indomie because we grew up with it, my brand loyalty to indomie no be here oo

DeutschJunge:
Black people sha, they just hatting on the man in this comments.a
the queen of England has been ruling that country since before our fathers were born. forget prime minister and their chambers, if she doesn't approve nothing they say will fly! why aren't you guys calling for her to step down?


don't tell me any nonsense like monarch... whats the difference, no be human they be?
i wouldn't be surprised if this is sponsored by the west

yes, we know our educational system has failed us but that does not mean you should rub it on our faces

a church is a gathering of God's people, some will say why do I need to go to a church when I can pray and worship at my home alone and I ask them why do you have A.Cs and fan in your house when you have winds blowing around you? yea Yea, we need it for concentrated spiritual force and upliftment,if you don't get motivated after going to your church leave for another church or join a fellowship, staying alone is not an option,for those of us conversant with wildlife know that the lion always attacks the lone deer

iambijo:
bawa jan gwarzo the father of yunfa host Dan-fodio, ltr when yunfa become a king after bawa's death he changed the agreements between bawa (his father) and dan-fodio which lead danfodio to go exile and ltr war erupted, see you do not have to change history to score some cheap tribalistic points.

thanks for the update,p.s im not the op but what the op said is what I have been hearing for a while now

iambijo:
Lies ! who told you that yunfa hosted dan-fodio in which history book did you read this stupidity ?

who told you yunfa did not host Dan-fodio in which history book did you read it?

legitnow:



OK! I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG IN OKOROCHA CHARITY PROJECT.

I HAVE ALOT OF RESERVATION ON OKOROCHA AS A GOV BUT I CANNOT CRUCIFY HIM ON ALL ACCOUNT.

THAT IS NOT MY NATURE AS A PERSON.

IT IS A CHARITY PROJECT, DONT START GIVING YORUBAS AND ABOKI OPPORTUNITY TO RIDICULE A GENUINE EFFORT.

OKOROCHA IS TRYING BUT HIS MEANS ARE INDEED QUESTIONABLE.

o ihe a n'ewetu m ebe ndi Igbo no, we are yet to understand the golden rule of charity begins at home, if he makes taking care if his people like pensioners,complete the remaining road projects and those his hospitals who would complain, of all the Igbo women working had to promote our culture it is a Liberian woman that cannot say bia they saw it wise to give such a statue all for personal gain, traditionally such titles are for women who have contributed but now whoever scratches the back of the governor, tell me if you have ever seen any Yoruba king award top titles to a non-yoruba woman talk more or less one that has not lived in their land or contributed to their culture

mansakhalifa:
@irynterri "...a place of worship of God and in this case THAT FOR JESUS..."! With that you just spelt the elbib(bible backwards). Did Jesus ever deem equality with God that he should ask people to have a separate place "place of worship of God and for JESUS(himself)? Before you answer,please take a look at this: Philippians 2:5-6 : Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus, 6: Who,though he was in the form of God,did NOT regard equality with God something to be GRASPED. So,how did a man who did not regard himself as equal with God commission his disciples,who were mostly fanatical Jews,(one was a Zealot,you can check to find out what that means) to set up a "place of worship" to worship him? And let me remind you the building does not make the "church"! Drop that simplistic "dictionary" definition and start thinking like a real christian. More to come...

who is a Christian?a Christian is someone who believes and follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. what is christainity? it is believing and following the teachings of Jesus Christ, Who is Jesus Christ? He is the Word as testified by John 1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God, all things were made through him and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life and the life was the light of men. The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcomed it...And the Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, full of Grace and Truth.I'm not here to argue on the divinity of God but the verse you quoted implies though he was God he did not boast or show or challenge God the Father, just like saying a humble crown prince is of high royalty like the king but gives him all the honor and Glory. As for the church, I never implied it means a building, in those days churches were in caves and catacombs as the Christians were been persecuted on the regular, it means a gathering of God's people. What did Jesus say? John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life, John 14:6 I am the Way, and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me, Does Judaism believe this? No, Should they be "Forced" to leave the Law of Moses and believe in the Grace of Jesus? No, that is why Christ said he did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it, he came to ensure you and I who are not born Jews but Gentiles hence under the mosaic law are not "God's people" can attain eternal life. How then can that the possible if the High priests and people the temple do not believe in the saving Grace of Jesus Christ and do not hence believe that any one other than a Jew worship God in his temple, allow the Romans, Corinthians and other gentiles? Allow preaching of baptism and breaking of Bread? Allow people to preach that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, No they could not,instead they arrested, killed and harassed them, hence the early Christians had to form there own gathering and common place of worship on the first day of the week (acts 20:7) and that metamorphosed to the church we have now.Instructions were later been given by Paul in His letters to the Corinthians on how to appoint ministers, carry out activities, dress,code of conduct etc

mansakhalifa:
@irynterri If Jesus actually set up a new religion called Christianity,then why did a the 12 disciples and many of his followers who were practicing Judaism continue to practice Judaism years after his death? Even at the time of his death(beheading) apostle Paul,who took the gospel to the gentiles,was still a JEW. The day he was apprehended he was in the temple in Jerusalem(Acts 21:27). I hope you are aware of that fact? So,if the idea was to set up a new religion and place of worship,a church,to worship God and Jesus according to you,can you tell me why the apostles,disciples and many of Jesus' early followers continue to go to the synagogues and temple to worship? Be honest with me.

Let me start the by defining Christainity, it is simply following the teachings of Jesus Christ and Christians are those who follow his teachings,the apostles at first practiced a combination of Judaism and christainity this is evident in Acts 2:46-47 "And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they partook of food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having favor with all the people. And God added to their number day by day those who are been saved".Acts 2:38-42 testifies to the preaching of the Gospel by Peter saying "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the Holy Spirit....So those who received his word were baptized and there were added that day about three thousand souls. And they devoted themselves to the Apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. Baptism, breaking of bread, seeking forgiveness through Jesus are not part of the Jewish laws but Christ teachings, at first they fully did not understand their call just the same way even till after Christ death they did not fully understand he will rise again(Luke 24:11)so it was that they did not fully understand at first a worship was to be born,the temple also served as the greatest meeting point to get a large audience just like what facebook is today, hence they also went there to preach the Gospel, the very act which led to continuous imprisonment and harassment and also made them understand a new mode of worship will be formed,you quoted acts 21:27 but you erroneously did not state what he did that led to his arrest, at that point they understood that converted Gentiles can't be allowed to the temple or made to practice their own form of Judaism without them been killed hence they realized to worship in peace they had to have their own place where jews and gentiles can meet without discrimination. it would also be erroneous to say that the apostles practiced Judaism all through their lives because most of them lived outside Jerusalem e. g Paul lived and died in Rome, Mark in Egypt some India etc. Paul also preached the Grace(christainity) over Law(Judaism),in his letter to the Christians in Romans he described himself as Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy scriptures, the Gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and designated Son of God in post according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations including yourselves who are called to belong to Jesus.. Grace to you and peace from God the father and the son Jesus Christ, I believe this is not a teaching or faith under Judaism,the Roman,Corinthian,Ephesian Christians to whom Paul wrote letters to must have been meeting in a place for worship, most likely not a temple as there were instructions on how to appoint ministers,how women should dress, duties to be performed etc, that place is called a church, remember also that letters were sent to seven churches in the book of revelation. Lastly, a JEW does not only mean someone who practises Judaism it also means someone whose mother is a Jew,e.g Mark Zuckerberg is a Jew but he does not practice Judaism,Saul practiced Judaism under which he persecuted Christians but when he converted (to a follower of Jesus) he became Paul. Shalom

TheManOfTheYear:
1000 likes... you nailed it

thanks

mansakhalifa:
@irynterri I knew someone was gonna dig up Matthew 16:18. But I think we should look at the word "church" beyond the English translation of the bible.

if it does not mean a place of worship of God and in this case that for Jesus then you can tell me the "real" meaning, I would love to learn