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Isn't Ajanlekoko a Barca fan?  Hmmm.  Drama.  I wonder how this will end. 

Score by Messi.

Barca 2 - 1 Man Utd.

Hey, Kilode, I didn't see you.

But your team just equalised.

1 all.

Barca scores.  Looks like they're the "home" team, since Man Utd are wearing their away kit.

Barca 1 - 0 Man Utd

Kilode's eyes are bugging right now.    I mean,  

Champs League Final - Man Utd v. Barcelona

Broadcast on network tv (Fox) here; the second time, I think.  Used to be only viewable on cable.  Started with Mourinho and Inter last year. 

Someone down already: Rooney kicked the ball, and Busquets took it in the face.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/champions-league/2010-2011/fc-barcelona-manchester-united-384271.html

Katsumoto:
Prof,

You just dey use agba sense dey chase the girls. I know your strategy.  

How do you do it?    The great Katsumoto, so special he doesnt have to do "that."  lol.  Cos all the chicks come to him?     Just watch for a badass Awori chick by way of Agege and Mushin.  She thinks we're still in the 1800s - she will gbe se le in no time. 

dayokanu:
E ku deede iwoyi ooo

Se daada le wa?  DK, can you get your hair to be like a dada and post a pic?  I like dreads.  Or shaved.  Either way. 

naijababe:
^ wetin i do u nau?

You jealousing me.  Soooooo much so you made up a story about a bosomy woman that can't get a proposal.  Way to miss road, lady! 

naijababe:
Friday at last! Thank God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DdCoNbbRvQ&feature=BFa&list=TLBgkSVvxvS2Q&index=2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW4kSyY3le0&feature=fvsr

Am I brave enough to click those links?  hmmm. 

Here's mine sha.  Enjoy your Saturday, sis.  Are you thinking what I'm thinking?  That song. . .

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[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=675773.msg8401146#msg8401146 date=1306464138]Sunni Ali one of the first Hausa kings before the introduction of Islam[/quote]How do you explain his name if it was before the intro of Islam?

BTW, Good job, my brother.

Katsumoto:
I am having difficulties posting data on Oduduwa/Ekaladerhan, Oranmiyan, Bashorun Ogunmola, Bashorun Oluyole, Fabunmi (Ekiti Parapo General) because of the spambot. Will keep trying

Thanks for trying. 

Katsumoto:
[size=14pt]Erelu Kuti, Oba Akinsemoyin, and Ologun kutere[/size]

Ikadan palace was the home of Erelu Kuti, mother of Ologun Kutere (the fourth king of Lagos, whose reign lasted 25 years from 1750, and the lineage from which the recently late Oba Oyekan) and Sokun (the Fashina-Jinadu-Bombata lineage) emerged.

Good one. 

VALIDATOR:
@odumchi, Sorry about the OPs act of posting only Yoruba History. Other posters have posted other tribes' histories as well and you and I are still free to add ours.

Ride on posters.I too gbadun una.

Thank you for appreciating the thread, but, please do not encourage foolishness.  I posted only the bio of one Yoruba man, from Egba!  No grounds for stating I post only about Yorubas.  And my Lagos relations and fellow posters would probably be scandalised I did not open the thread with one of our (Kilode's words) Eko-Ile aristocratic ancestors. 

Katsumoto:
[size=14pt]Madam Efunroye Tinubu[/size]

Nigerian businesswoman and patriot, after whom a prominent Lagos landmark, "Tinubu Square," is named. She lived in the 19th century and was born in Abeokuta, Ogun State, Western Nigeria, to a trading family. . .

S-Weeeeet!  You read my mind.  I was just about to request Madam Tinubu's bio.  

How about the woman for whom Ita Faji (on Lagos Island) is named?

To everyone contributing, loving all your posts.  E se o.  Oju o ni ti'yin o.  

naijababe:
Madame Isale abi na Oyinda?!, Ki lon shake jare?

I do NOT like you!

dayokanu:
Pls what is your account number, My head dey swell make I spray you money.

Ogbori Elemoso, Ogbomoso Ogbomojugun, Ilu SOun Ajagungbade. Ibi ti won ti je oka tan ti won mu eko yangan le.

Holla at me. I'll give you his account number. Yeah, I'll hook you up.  

naijababe:
Priceless.

That's all you got?!   A little contribution would be nice.  I know u got a lot of history in ya garri head, madame.  

valacious:
Any igbo history pls.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=675773.msg8398914#msg8398914 date=1306429933][size=15pt]Mai Dunama Dabbalemi[/size]

Kanem's expansion peaked during the long and energetic reign of Mai Dunama Dabbalemi (ca. 1221–1259), also of the Sayfawa dynasty. . .[/quote]Alhaji!  I'm glad you're back.  Give us some Igbo leaders as well, pretty please.  I'm serious.

Also, wanted to answer the naysayers:
The thread is about leaders who lived in the territory now called Nigeria - so it is not just about one tribe.  Get it?
The thread is not about looking only at the past - feel free to start another thread, maybe covering leaders from 1914 to the present.

I corrected the spelling in my introduction, but left the passage from R.Smith's book unedited. 

Also, I imagine there may be slight variations in the retelling of Lisabi's life.  I decided to reproduce the version from one book only.  I welcome comments shedding further light on the man and events.

Bear, thanks for the suggestion.  Please make a contribution about a personality in Naija's history, before the night is done. 

Any leader from the beginning of time (?) up and until total colonisation, which for our purposes will be set at 1914.

This is my response from way back when:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-590933.352.html#msg7655370

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7655370#msg7655370 date=1296672966]Don't know who that is?  I think Debosky was just making random comments.  I didn't sense anything personal.  Dunno.  ::Shrug::

     I guess I'll have to read some of this member's posts.  When I feel like it.

I am not going to entertain any more conspiracy theories or theorists.  I will catch you guys when you get back to normal.  [/quote]
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=590933.msg7657860#msg7657860

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7657860#msg7657860 date=1296716684]Didn't have a lot of time to peruse Ms. Oyinda's posts to get a feel for her.  Ironically, she is the spitting image of an Haitian friend of mine.  Dreads and all.

Okay, to the nitty-gritty.  Just glanced 2 of her posts.  First thing I notice: She writes, "please," in Yoruba as, "jor."  I never ever ever never never never ever, even though I've seen a lot of NLers write it that way.  I will write "jo" or most likely "joo."  I do not understsand where the "r" comes from?  Are we egun from Benin? 

Anyway, I'm sure she's a lovely upstanding sort.  But we are not the same person, you paranoid people!

Good night!  [/quote]

This thread is meant to highlight our history, government and political organisation before the colonisers were able to take control of our day-to-day societal administration.

The emphasis will be on the people that shaped our various tribes, people, towns and events.  Those people whose legend and real life contributions have been passed down from our forebears either through oral history, folklore or actual documented evidence.


LISABI, A Leader of the Egba people of Yorubaland
Lived in the mid-1700s to early 1800s

There seems no doubt that the Egba were subjected to the empire of Oyo at some period since.  In addition to both Egba and Oyo traditions about this, a considerable assimilation of culture and governmental practice seems to have taken place; this can be observed especially in the case of the northern Egba, the Gbagura.  How and when the Egba came to accept Oyo domination is not known, but it seems likely that this occurred during the century following the return of the Alaafin from Igboho to Oyo Ile; author S.O. Biobaku suggests that the situation evolved peaceably, the Egba (he asserts) having no military organization capable of defending their land and so being prepared to pay tribute to Oyo in return for protection.  But this Oyo overlordship came to be increasingly resented.  The Alaafin placed his ajeles in the Egba towns to represent him and to collect annual tribute, and the presence and exactions of these officials, who had become the lords of even the kings, eventually provoked a national rising.

The hero and liberator of the Egba was Lishabi, born at Itoku and living in Igbein, both in the Alake’s province.  He is remembered as a man of gigantic stature and his career shows that he was a great organizer and leader. At first, he worked in secret, grouping his followers into the Egbe Aro, a society of farmers pledged to help each other in their work.  This society gradually extended over the whole of Egbaland and at the same time changed its character, becoming an underground army, the Egbe Olorogun.  When the time was ripe, Lishabi gave the signal for a general rising by killing the ajele in his own town of Igbein, and from there the movement spread through the Egbe to all the other towns of the land.  Tradition claims that over 600 of the Oyo ajeles were massacred in this rising.  The Alaafin replied by sending a large army, made up of Oyo, Ibarapa, and Egbado troops, against the rebels.  This army crossed the Ogun at Mokokoki and advanced towards Igbein.  Lishabi now showed his qualities as a general.  Having ordered the town to be evacuated, he concealed his followers in the nearby Melego ravine and then, as the Oyo searched the deserted town, fell upon them, routing them and gaining at one stroke independence for his people.

It is uncertain at what point in the decline of Oyo this revolt of the Egba occurred.  Circumstance suggest that it may have been at some time during the long reign of Alaafin Abiodun; Biobaku places it during the disturbance at Oyo which resulted in the downfall of Bashorun Gaha, and author I.A. Akinjogbin considers that it was in those latter years of Abiodun which also saw the unsuccessful Oyo campaigns against the Borgu (1783) and Nupe (1791).  But tradition in the Oyo kingdom, as recorded by the Bada of Shaki, places the revolt during the short regency of Bashorun Ashamu at Oyo after the suicide of Alaafin Awole, and therefore in or about 1796 or 1797.  This would accord with what is known of the general military and political decline which had set in at Oyo by the end of the 18th century and also with developments among the Egba under Lishabi and up to the opening of the long wars of the 19th century in Yorubaland.

Lishabi’s role was not confined to winning independence for the Egba. Biobaku describes him as the Egba Lycurgus who gave his people laws.  He was yet more than that.  He taught them the art of defending themselves by arms and fortifications, so that they were able to throw back the raids of their fierce neighbours, the Dahomeans.  He also encouraged the Egba to take advantage of the changed political conditions of the country by engaging in trade on a wider scale than before, especially in sending kola from their forests to the markets in the north.  He boasted that he had fought for the Egba so that they should wear the best kinds of cloth, alari and sekini, and his countrymen still look on him as father of their nation and on themselves as his children, omo Lishabi.

The circumstances of Lishabi’s end are mysterious.  He is said to have died in the forest, perhaps murdered by a group of jealous chiefs, though another account is that he was killed during a Dahomean raid.  It seems that towards the end of his life he lost his popularity with the Egba, despite the benefits which he had brought them.  Biobaku suggests that they did not understand his anxiety about the defence of their lands and resented the conscription into his militia of men whose labour was needed on the farms.

After the removal of Lishabi’s influence and example, political conditions among the Egba deteriorated and local differences re-emerged.  Tradition recollects four outbreaks of civil war preceding the wider conflagration of the Owu war.  The first arose from a quarrel between the people of Igbein and Itoku, both towns subject to the Alake, over the petty offences of a former slave, now a wealthy trader, Ogedepagbo.  The second grew out a competition for office between rival chiefs in Ilugun, which drew in other towns as mediators and then participants.  The third came about when Alake Okikilu raised an army in Egbado under the warrior Agbaje (who gave his name to this war) in order to attack a group of towns in his province whose court was depriving him of the revenue which he expected from his own jurisdiction.  The last was a bitterly fought contest between the Ijeun and Itoku against the Oba people; this again concerned towns within Ake, apparently the most disturbed and unruly of the Egba provinces. 

Thus the stage was set for the Owu war of the early 19th century, which was to bring in its wake the direst and most far-reaching consequences for all the Yoruba.  Among these consequences was the destruction of the town and kingdom of Owu and the eventual removal of its ruler and people to Abeokuta, the new metropolis of all the Egba, where they have since then occupied the southwest part of the town.

The Owu did not originally belong to the Egba.  Their kingdom lay to the east of the Egba forest across the River Oshun, with Ife to the northeast and Ijebu on the south.  Little is remembered about the early history of Owu, except for a couple of wars fought against Ondo, but the impressive remains of fortifications at Owu Ipole, consisting of massive earthen walls still some twenty feet high, suggest that here was a formidable power.  Author S. Johnson describes the Owu as a martial race, and adds: “Hardihood, stubbornness, [redacted] and haughtiness are marked traits in their character.”  To illustrate the equal fierceness of their women, he quotes a proverb: ‘a child is born at Owu and you ask (whether) male or female: which would be a proper child? (abi omo l’Owu, o ni ako tabi abo ni, ewo ni yio se omo nibe?)  Nevertheless, like their Egba neighbours, the Owu were subject to the Oyo, and indeed were proud to act as the Alaafin’s warriors in the south.  “From the days of Sango,” claims Johnson,” they had been very loyal to the Alaafin of Oyo.”  This loyalty in latter days was to lead to their downfall.


Excerpted from Kingdoms of the Yoruba, by Robert Smith, 1969.
Sorry, there's no good link; I had to type the above from the original book. You can check Google Books for minimal access - not copy and paste-able.

DK thought I was Oyinda.  Dunno her.   

What in hell's bathroom is going on here?! Moved again? lol. hmmm. I guess I don't much mind. Looks like we roll along like a tumbleweed, or is it a hurricane, and pickup more quirky folk as we roll.

Wolfdog, You really are overworked.  And overwhelmed.  Bush Jr is a righty.  It was the tall gangly Bush that's a lefty.

Kilode, You don't mean you would force the little pikin to go against his lefty nature?  Isn't it traumatic to do that? 

DK, Is that a play on the song I posted?  hmmm.

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[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=674943.msg8387339#msg8387339 date=1306282119]goodluck to u all, may God (ALLAH) bless Nigeria [/quote]Amin. 

Aww, too bad it all had to end with the angry face.

Favourite things: Songwriter Diane Warren's songs

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Get with the program, old man.  The lefties are ruling the world.  Have been for some time now!

All the recent U.S. presidents, except one, going back all the way to Bush Sr. were all lefties.  (I'm not sure Reagan could write.)  Even a challenger to the throne, Ross Perot was a lefty.

So, that is Bush sr, Clinton, Obamanama.

I can't believe you were gonna impose 2nd class citizenship on the little tyke. 

BTW, I thought all the Northern elite play Polo, the deadly game. What's with Squash? lol.  hmm.  We once had a governor that died playing Polo, you know.

yinkalink:
yesterdae, on my wae home from work, in d bus,, dere was dis man saying rubbish and mutiliating Manchester United to oda passengers. am a red devil, but i dont talk in buses, but it gat to a stage i had to speak out, cos dere r a lot of tins i can tolerate, but nobody tarnishes d image of my club.[b] i spoke and corrected d man politely,and he looked @ me wit scorn and said "wat is a lady's business wit football?"  i told him dat i watched and he said my knowledge was limited. [/b]when it was abt  to lead to bantering, i had to keep quiet

Do you understand the Offside Rule?  Can you explain it? To me?  Please! 

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cap28:
Here in the UK we do not have any pro black academics of the calibre of Dr Asante, at least none that i know of.  There are a few yes men (like Louis Gates) but they are invisible ie they are not given any media coverage.
The UK is a very racist society, but the racism here can sometimes be very subtle , the few blacks that are in the limelight are yes men and always toe the line.

You'll be suprised to find that the UK is not as liberal as the United States when it comes to freedom of speech, dont get me wrong - you can say whatever you want about the govt in the privacy of your own home or on the internet, however if  too many people start listening to you, you will find yourself coming under the radar of the police, only last week a few anarchists were arrested because they had planned to go out and protest during the royal wedding.  the leader of this organisation was picked up from his home and held in custody until the wedding was over!
Also, prominent pro black groups here in the UK have found themselves victims of police intimidation and many of them have been forced to shut down or go underground.   As you know the current terrorism laws have broadened the definition of "terrorist" so that it now covers almost every type of protest activity against the govt!!

So you can see that the UK merely pays lip service to the ideal of freedom of speech.

hmmm.  Well, I can't argue which country, UK or USA, has less freedom of speech.  I don't have all my supporting data in hand. And I know how you debate. lol.  But I remember distinctly, watching CSPAN and seeing a brute of a neonazi looking police officer physically restrain an old women from even gesticulating during a Washington DC peaceful gathering.  A small gathering was all they were allowed because the Bush government had imposed a ban against demonstrations days before W dropped bombs on one of Afghanistan (2001) or Iraq (2003).

If you would, please watch the videos below.  The speaker sounds British, though the accent is mild - either because he is really an American who has been in England long, or a Brit who lost his accent while learning Naton of Islam doctrine here in the USA.  I was impressed by him, to be honest (though I don't agree with all NOI views).  Now, there's a British Black who speaks up fearlessly.  But we both know that NOI are marginalised no matter where they are, so I doubt someone like that would ever get much publicity.  Anyway, their views may also be too radical for most Brits. 

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One more thing, I created a Politics section thread about great speeches in African and Black history, and would like you to contribute any important/groundbreaking/memorable speeches you can think of. Grazie!

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=672198.msg8366785#msg8366785 date=1305993186]The Ballot or the Bullet
by Malcolm X
April 3, 1964
Cleveland, Ohio


Mr. Moderator, Brother Lomax, brothers and sisters, friends and enemies: I just can't believe everyone in here is a friend, and I don't want to leave anybody out. The question tonight, as I understand it, is "The Negro Revolt, and Where Do We Go From Here?" or What Next?" In my little humble way of understanding it, it points toward either the ballot or the bullet. . .[/quote]Here's the audio of The Ballot Or The Bullet speech given in Detroit, Michigan, on April 12, 1964.

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End of the world stuff

“DAVID LETTERMAN'­S TOP 10 HAROLD CAMPING EXCUSES:

(Courtesy CBS-TV)

10. Rapture got rained out.

9. Forgot to carry the 1.

8. Dates got screwed up because of the Jewish holidays.

7. "Que?"

6. Hold on, God's texting me, yeah, it's been postponed.

5. Don't blame me! I voted for Kucinich.

4. To prevent bear attack, be sure to suspend all food and trash in a tree. I'm sorry, that's "Top 10 Wilderness Camping Tips."

3. At 89, I can't remember how to operate the toaster.

2. Didn't everybody'­s world end when Oprah was cancelled?

1. I'm bat$#@& crazy.”

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CBS TV site: http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?vs=Top%20Ten

kevdada:
I was so disappointed in our government, not because of giving out citizenship to this people, but they did not even consider what or how those countries are treating Nigerians,  FILIPINOS?? I don die,  U guys need to see what is going on to Nigerians in the Philippines presently. . .

That's awful.  It's too bad our people get treated like criminals or worse in many countries, but in our own country we roll out the red carpet for these interlopers.  Take heart, bro.  You'll be fine in the long run.

hahahahahaha.     

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Devastating Tornado in Missouri, USA

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Death Toll Rises to 89 From Missouri Tornado
Published: May 23, 2011
New York Times

Much of Joplin, Mo., lay in ruins Monday morning, after a massive tornado, the latest storm to ravage the Midwest and South this spring, tore through the town, killing at least 89 people. Officials say they expect the death toll to climb.

The twister, which touched down at about 6 p.m. Sunday, ripped apart buildings, touched off fires and tossed cars, leaving them mangled stacks of metal. Television images and video posted to the Web captured scenes of devastation that hinted at the storm’s power as neighborhoods appeared to vanish into violent piles of lumber and debris.

St. John’s Regional Medical Center, a major hospital in the southwestern Missouri town, had to be abandoned, witnesses said, and the triage unit set up on its grounds to care for the patients had to be temporarily moved across the street when the hospital caught fire.

Joplin, a town of about 48,000 people near Missouri’s borders with Kansas and Oklahoma, was in the direct path of the tornado. It was left isolated and in the dark after the destruction, with telephone connections largely cut off and many homes without electricity.

The death toll was confirmed by the city manager, Mark Rohr.

Tornadoes have killed hundreds of people during the past two months and caused millions of dollars in damage from Missouri to Oklahoma to North Carolina. Tuscaloosa, Ala., continues to recover from a massive twister that tore through the city in late April.

Initial reports from Joplin said that schools, apartment buildings, megastores and fire stations were struck by the tornado. The local newspaper, the Joplin Globe, said teams with body bags had been dispatched on Sunday night to Home Depot, Wal-Mart and other local businesses.

“There was panic — firefighters were pulling themselves out of the debris and then helping others,” said Mike Bettes, a meteorologist for the Weather Channel who arrived in Joplin 10 minutes after the tornado touched down, as part of the show “The Great Tornado Hunt.”

Hours later, he said, the scene was “very serene — dark, relatively quiet.” He and his Weather Channel crew had set up to report from the hospital grounds, he said in a telephone interview, and “we are on a hill and the only lights we see are on the fire trucks or ambulances.”

Joplin’s was by far the worst damage on a day of brutal storms in the Midwest, including a tornado in Minneapolis that city officials said left one person dead and dozens injured in an area that covered several blocks. By Sunday night, Missouri’s governor, Jay Nixon, had already activated the National Guard and declared a state of emergency. . .

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Full story here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24tornado.html?_r=1&hp

Confusing God and Government (Part 3 of 3)

Prior to Abraham Lincoln, the Government in this country said it was legal to hold Africans in slavery in perpetuity. Perpetuity’s one of those University of Chicago words, it means forever. From now on. When Lincoln got in office, the government changed. Prior to the passing of the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution, the government defined Africans as slaves, as property – property! – people with no rights to be respected by any Whites anywhere. The Supreme Court of the government – same court, granddaddy court of the one which stole the 2000 election – Supreme Court said in its Dredd Scott decision in the 1850s: no African anywhere in this country has any rights that any White person has to respect at anyplace, anytime. That was the government’s official position, backed up by the Supreme Court – that’s the judiciary – backed up by the Executive branch – that’s the President – backed up by the Legislative branch and enforced by the military of the government, but I stopped by to tell you tonight that Governments change! Prior to Harry Truman’s government, the military in this country was segregated. But Governments change. Prior to the Civil Rights and Equal Accommodations laws of the government in this country, there was Black segregation by the country, legal discrimination by the government, prohibited Blacks from voting by the government, you had to eat in separate places by the government, you had to sit in different places from White folk because the government says so, and you had to be buried in a separate cemetery. It was Apartheid American-style from the cradle to the grave, all because the government backed it up. But guess what? Governments change!

Under Bill Clinton, we got messed up Welfare-to-Work bill, but under Clinton Blacks had an intelligent friend in the Oval Office. Oh, but Governments change.

The election was stolen. We went from an intelligent friend to a dumb Dixiecrat, a rich Republican who has never held a job in his life – is against affirmative action, against education, against health care, against benefits for his own military, and gives tax breaks to he wealthiest contributors to his campaign. Governments change – sometimes for the good, and sometimes for the bad. But I’m fitting to help you again; turn back and say “He’s fitting to help us again.”

Where governments change – write this down, Malachiah 3:6 – “thus sayeth the Lord:” – repeat after me – “for I am the Lord, and I change not.” That’s the Kings James version. The New Revised says, “For I the Lord do not change.” In other words, where Governments change, God does not change. God is the same yesterday, today and forevermore. That’s what is name, “I am”, means you know. He does not change. There is no shadow of turning in God; one songwriter puts it this way: “As thou hast been, thou forever will be. Thou changes not. Thy compassions, they fail not. Great is thy faithfulness Lord unto me.” God does not change! God was against slavery on yesterday, and God who does not change is still against slavery today. God was a God of love yesterday, and God who does not change is still a God of love today. God was a God of justice on yesterday, and God who does not change is still a God of justice today. Turn to your neighbour and say, “God does not change.”

Where Governments lie, God does not lie. Where Governments change, God does not change. And I’m through now. But let me leave you with one more thing.

Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontus Pilot – Pontius Pilate – the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from east to west. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonised Kenya, Guana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian decent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese decent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African decent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them in slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing “God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!

The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw
or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYqrXVNfYUI

Think about this, think about this. For every 1 Oprah, a billionaire, you got five million Blacks who are out of work. For every 1 Colin Powell, a millionaire, you got ten million Blacks who cannot read. For every 1 “Condeskeeza” Rice, you got one million in prison. For every 1 Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters with his cat-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women; God has this way of bringing you short when you get too big for your cat-blazing britches. For every 1 Tiger Woods, we got ten thousand Black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. But I’m fitting to help you one last time – turn to your neighbour and say “he’s fitting to help us one last time.” Turn back and say “Forgive him for the ‘God Damn’, that’s in the Bible Lord.” Blessings and cursing is in the Bible, it’s in the Bible. But I’m fitting to help you one last time. Let me tell you something.

Where governments fail, God never fails.

When God says it, it’s done. God never fails. When God wills it, you better get out the way. ‘Cause God never fails. When God fixes it, oh believe me, it’s fixed. God never fails. Somebody right now, you think you can’t make it, but I want you to know you are more than a conqueror, through Christ you can do all things, through Christ who strengthens you. To the world, it looked like God has failed in God’s plan of salvation when the saviour that was sent by God was put to death on a Friday afternoon. It looked like God failed. But hallelujah, on Sunday morning the angels in Heaven were singing, “God never fails.” You can’t put down what God raises up. God never fails. You can’t keep down what God wants up. God never fails. If God can get a three-day Jesus up out of a grave, what’s going on in your life that in anyway can’t match what God has already done? He’ll abides with you, he’ll reside in you, and he’ll preside over your problems if you take them to Him and leave them with Him. Don’t take them back – turn to your neighbour and say “stop taking your problems back.” Should we always bring our problems to the altar and then do we just them right on back to our seats? Turn and say “Stop taking them back!” God never fails. Turn and tell them “God never fails!” God never fails!

God never fails.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright
"Confusing God and Government"
Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago, Illinois
April 13, 2003

http://www.sluggy.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=315691&sid=4b3e97ace4ee8cee02bd6850e52f50b7

I salute the dedicated person that initially captured the full sermon in their transcription, linked above. If you click the link you may notice that my post here differs somewhat from theirs. I did some editing using both the raw transcript and the original audio. (edit.)

Kilode,

Certainly.  I don't hold Malcolm's lack of opportunity for a formal education against him.  A burning fire inside is more relevant than a degree any day!  I only compared him to MLK because there was an active (and there remains an underlying) debate about how effective and influential each man was, also whether MLK was a lesser relevant leader.  In other words, would Malcolm have taken the people further in their struggle and accomplishments if the roles were reversed and he was the more revered leader in his time. 

To be fair, I prefaced my discourse on Malcolm with the comment that I am ambivalent about him.  I have positive and not-so positive feelings and opinions of him.  I cannot fully declare that I am not a supporter of his because I really do need to read more on him.

BTW, I tend to think of Adam Clayton Powell, when I think of MLK's detractors.  ACP was another Black leader at the time - a congressman.  He, on at least one occasion, openly ridiculed MLK and shared with anyone who would listen that he was more deserving of the great black hope role, so to speak.  Interesting guy.

Premiere League 2010-2011 season ends today

So, Arsenal really did self-destruct? So sad. They lost so many games towards the end, it was tragic, really. Speechless. So they might actually stay at 4th, instead of finishing 3rd, depending on how Manchester City does.

Manchester Utd already won the league - I think that was already decided a week ago. Surprised Kilode kept it together sha. That must be why the news didn't quite register.

Chelsea at 71 points; playing at Everton today;

Manchester City at 68 points; playing at Bolton today;

Arsenal at 67 points; playing at Fulham today.

All today's happenings in detail here:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/premier-league/

Katsumoto:
I think you are being a bit harsh on Malcolm X and your expectations of his person, a bit unrealistic. Malcolm X was a soldier and his failings as a man were not antithetic to his beliefs. You ask Kilode to provide proof that he didn't firebomb his own house; I think the onus is on the accusers to prove that he did it himself.

I don't understand what you mean by self-promoter. What did he gain from promoting himself? And how did he promote himself? The man was fighting for civil rights for Negroes; how was he supposed to do that without being in the limelight? You need the media to promote your agenda. The only criticism that you levelled against him which I accept is the hypocrisy surrounding the women. That might have been anithetic to his spiritual being but it certainly wasn't antithetic to his civil right leanings. Heck, even MLK had his women and he was allegedly blackmailed by J.E. Hoover. There isn't a man who doesn't have a struggle be it women, drink, drugs, money, or gambling.

Katsumoto,

I actually wasn't criticising his "failings as a man," hence my reticence to even comment on his personal life. 

The issues I brought up that could even remotely be considered personal, was his reason for bringing up the personal affairs of Elijah Muhammed.  I brought it up only because Malcolm and his supporters explain his motives as being an attempt to right wrongs and some moral outrage over Muhammed's misbehavior, phrasing it as if that meant E.M. was unsuitable to lead.  Then, we learn that, NO!, Malcolm was in fact INVOLVED with one of the women he was accusing Muhammed of taking advantage of.  Come on.  That does not put doubts in your mind?  Isn't it the norm to recuse yourself when you yourself have conflicting interests in matters that you want to "judge."

In what other way did I use his personal life to critique him?  I said I cannot shake the feeling he was a con artist.  He was!  And worse.  At least for most of his life.  Indisputable.  He was in and out of prison - not because he was fighting the power either, you know.

The limelight.  I know you need publicity to get your message across.  I meant using it the wrong way, for self-aggrandizement, etc.

Yes, I agree that the burden of proof is not on the "victim."  He need not prove that the bombing incident was not his own doing.  I have my reasons for doubting that the NOI would bomb the house in which he lived with his wife and children.  Sure, they wanted him dead, and eventually effected that goal, without putting anyone else in danger but their target.   

And you're bringing up the oft-repeated accusations against MLK?  Do you now wish you hadn't, since you now understand my comments about Malcolm was not in the same vein?

I don't want to belabour the point.  I hope you understand where I was coming from.

I'm willing to delve more into specifics when there's more time and you're game. 

P.S. I think he handled the issues he had with E.Muhammed the wrong way, bringing the mainstream media into it - wrong publicity.