truthislight:


Lol.

Lol.

How can someone that said the below be telling me such?



Meanwhile, my argument is what you just made, that you don't have any point to make, but the Bible does.

let the Bible speak, and let the Bible stand.

Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven, don't change it to something else in an effort to make "points".

Peace

Again, you're going pointless.

truthislight:
^^^^ ^^^^

He wants us to trust him that he knows what is going on on a thread he has not red yet.

How proud can it get than that?

Oh! That? I donot mean I didn't read all that the op wrote. I sure read it. But NOT all the comments so far. That's why I said that.

truthislight:


Sharaap!

Stop lying.

At John 3:13 Jesus clearly said that no man has ascended into heaven.

John3:13


13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
.............................................

All Those rubbish you posted above, talking into the scriptures is not welcome here, take it to your church and feed it to your Sheeples.

Stop twisting the scriptures here!

No one need your twist and turn preaching.

the Bible can defend itself with what is contained therein.

no one should speak into the scriptures. no one is indispensable, what happens when that person dies?

truthislight:


You keep speaking into the Bible, refusing to allow the Bible msg to stand out.


You will lyingly want us to believe it is not a Parable, the rich man and Lazarus.

Yes Na, in your deceitful mind, a drop of water can travel all the way from heaven down to earth without evaporating and to quench your test in Hell.

Yes, it is Abraham that will reward you with everlasting life and not Yahweh. Since it is Abraham that has that responsibility in that your imagined story.

The Bosom of Abraham is the reward you will ever get for all eternity since you believe it is the reward for you.

Yes o. when you are in that your "heaven", You will have to see your love ones being tormented in that your Hell for all eternity.

The above are simply your wishes, May it be your reward since you propagate them as the facts.

Peace.

truthislight:


You keep speaking into the Bible, refusing to allow the Bible msg to stand out.


You will lyingly want us to believe it is not a Parable, the rich man and Lazarus.

Yes Na, in your deceitful mind, a drop of water can travel all the way from heaven down to earth without evaporating and to quench your test in Hell.

Yes, it is Abraham that will reward you with everlasting life and not Yahweh. Since it is Abraham that has that responsibility in that your imagined story.

The Bosom of Abraham is the reward you will ever get for all eternity since you believe it is the reward for you.

Yes o. when you are in that your "heaven", You will have to see your love ones being tormented in that your Hell for all eternity.

The above are simply your wishes, May it be your reward since you propagate them as the facts.

Peace.

truthislight:


You keep speaking into the Bible, refusing to allow the Bible msg to stand out.


You will lyingly want us to believe it is not a Parable, the rich man and Lazarus.

Yes Na, in your deceitful mind, a drop of water can travel all the way from heaven down to earth without evaporating and to quench your test in Hell.

Yes, it is Abraham that will reward you with everlasting life and not Yahweh. Since it is Abraham that has that responsibility in that your imagined story.

The Bosom of Abraham is the reward you will ever get for all eternity since you believe it is the reward for you.

Yes o. when you are in that your "heaven", You will have to see your love ones being tormented in that your Hell for all eternity.

The above are simply your wishes, May it be your reward since you propagate them as the facts.

Peace.

I hope you know you-ve not made any point yet so far the Bible is concerned?

For the Atheists:
How do you account for these phenomena?
1. Science is yet to find a cure to HIV/Aids; but, many have been healed of HIV/Aids without taking any medications.
2. The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that, "In a closed system, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. But can only be transformed from one for to another". The same goes for matter. The Universe is a closed system. Now, How did matter and energy come into being in the Universe?
3. According to the LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT, "for every material effect, there's an equivalent material cause before it." My Question is, what caused the Universe?

Talking about John 3:13; it shouldn't be confusing at all.

Let's see what Jesus meant:

Considering the context of Verse 13, taking it from verse 10. Jesus was talking about Himself as Testifying what He has seen (on the Earth). Which they also should have seen and therefore, NOT marvel at/disbelieve His teachings.

However, He was surprised that they marvelled at/disbelieved His testimony even tho' He was yet testifying about what should be obvious to them.

Here's where verse 13 comes in.

In line with that, He said, "If I testify earthly things to you (which you already should know) and you don't believe me; how much more will you disbelieve me if I tell you about HEAVENLY things? Considering the Fact that, 'no man has ever gone to Heaven and returned to tell you these things. But Himself has come down from heaven and has a LIVE Testimony of it'"

Here are the Verses:

"I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won't believe our testimony. But if you don't believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven." (John 3:11-13 NLT).

Because the people were yet weak and carnal, they couldn't take HEAVENLY Testimonies. That's why Jesus had to keep some until the Time comes when they shall be able to bear/take it. John 16:12-13.

So, Jesus was NOT disputing that Elijah was taken up to Heaven. 2Kings 2:11.

Now, even tho' Elijah came back as John the Baptist (Matthew 11:12-15), he was without memory. He didn't have the memory of his past life therefore, he didn't know he was Elijah. John 1:19-21.

In studying the Bible, understand the context of every verse. That'll help you understand the true meaning of that verse.

Bear with me brethren. . .I didn't read all the posts. But trust me, I know what's going on here.

I hope this helps to answer so many questions.

I especially DONOT talk so much on this topic of HELL. But however, it would be wrong of me if I see brethren mistaken it and keep my cool.

Here is it:

In the Bible, the revelation is progressive. The further you go, the more advanced the revelation is.

Here's what I mean.

In Genesis, NOBODY knew God name by the name "Jehovah," but "Almighty God (El-Shaddai)".

In Exodus 6:3, God introduced Himself to Moses as "Jehovah". Highlighting to him that, "Moses, you're the 1st I'm telling this"

So, if someone were to study and stopped at Genesis, the person won't know God as "Jehovah" but "El-Shaddai"

The advancement continues. When Jesus came, He introduced God to us as "Father," showing us that God NOT only wants to be a Master (Lord) over us but wants to establish a Father and son relationship with us. Matthew 6:9.

If you didn't study to this point, you won't know this.

So it is with many Bible topics.

Taking for example, the Afterlife, as it concerns our discussion here. . . In the OT, based on the Revelations Available to them, all they knew was that the DEAD remains in their graves in a state of unconsciousness. As you can see throughout the OT. Ecclesiastes 9:10.

When Jesus came, He advanced the Revelation. Jesus was the 1st person to reveal to us that the dead (both righteous and wicked) do not remain in their graves. But, there's a place each group goes. As we can see in the STORY of Lazarus and the rich man Luke 16:19-24.

Notice: That is not a Parable as many confuse it. It is a STORY. Because parables doesn't contain specific names.

In Jesus' story, He revealed to us that the wicked goes to Hell (where fire burns them) while the Righteous goes to a Place which He called Abraham's Bosom to be comforted.

One thing about these two places is that, it's actually one place separated by a GULF as a wall will separate two rooms from one another.

That is where they were until Jesus died. In 1Peter 3:19-20 the Bible tells us that Jesus went preaching the Gospel to the WICKED who died during Noah's Generation. At where? That was in HELL! That was when He 'descended into the pit'.

After this activity, Jesus brought all the saints up with Him from Abraham's Bosom at His resurrection. Matthew 27:52-53.

At this Point, The Isaiah 5:14 prophecy was fulfilled. Because, when Jesus took the saints up with Him from Abraham's Bosom, Abraham's Bosom ceased to exist and Hell enlarged and dominated the whole territory.

Is HELL the Final Abode of the Wicked?

Apparently, No!

Because that HELL and it's occupants shall be casted into the Lake of Fire. Revelations 20:13-15.

Many have said this place is NOT a place of Eternal Torments but NO, THE BIBLE DESCRIBES A PLACE OF ETERNAL TORMENT.

Revelations 14:11, 19:1-3 tells us that the smoke of their torment went up for ever and ever.

Like I said, I do not like to discuss so much on this. How about we discuss something Gospel?

I've not highlighted Bible prayer points and mode of prayer because I believe every Christian knows that one.

@Oaroloye

Faith Talkers get it wrong. Faith Dabbers hold unto a part of the Bible?

Again, that's an error! I already considered the context of Verse 23 in the whole passage before I typed that.

What part from Verses 20-26 of Mark 11 contradicts my explanation of verse 23?

To add to it: lemme take it down a little to verse 24.

Mark 11

23. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Again, I say, The Lord Jesus is saying here, "if you will NOT doubt (but have FAITH), and shall say to this mountain, 'be removed and be cast into the sea' it shall be so done"

If you have problem with getting results, perhaps, check what you called Faith again. It is NOT FAITH. Faith CAN'T Fail.

That means, a little doubt, and you won't get the result! Because, in the presence of doubt, no matter how little, what you have IS NOT faith.

24. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Here, The Lord took a step further, by telling us that, "you have to believe that you have recieved what you asked for before you have them" which supports what I posted earlier that "Christians shouldn't see themselves as one 'trying' to get something or overcome a trouble"

Faith demands you to see yourself as A POSSESSOR (of your wants which you asked God) AND AN OVERCOMER (of the trouble you're praying about) first before it materializes.

Without this afore-belief without a doubt, NOTHING for you.

@Oaroloye

[color=#000000][/color]The Holy Apostle Paul was wrong in Romans 10:17?

Obviously, you don't know what that verse is saying.

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17).

Does that sound like a definition of what Faith is to you?

Here, the Holy Apostle what telling us what should be the source/foundation/anchor of our Faith (Beliefs) -which is, the Word of God-.

@Oaroloye

There are alot of things to address in your post.

I'll address as many as I can.

By your posts, are you in any way trying to say good works is equal to having Faith? Also, are you trying to say sin can hinder a Believer's prayer?

A Christian is one who is born again. We became born again when we acted on Romans 10:9-10.

The Holy Apostle John tells us more about whom a born again is. He has OVERCOMED sin. He can NOT sin. 1John 3:9, 5:3-5. How did we overcome sin? It is NOT by works! It is by Faith. Romans 3:21-28, Ephesians 2:8-9.

The Word of God is diverse. There are diverse topics.

For Salvation, you act on some parts;

For Working Miracles, you are on some parts;

For Prophesying, you act on some parts;

To get prayers answered; you act on some parts.

Until a Christian train himself on a particular topic, he can't function well in that regard. A Christian may not be able to work miracles simply because he has NOT studied to know what the LOGOS said about how to work miracles and there4 couldn't get Rhema for working miracles.

Good works isn't equal to faith. Sin CAN'T hinder a Christian's prayer.

Why many don't get answer is simply because they are don't know what God's Word said about the situation on ground to act on it. Which is, they donot have Faith in that regard!

When studying on the Topic of Victory of over Troubles of Life, sicknesses and having a Good Life, you'll discover that, in the OT God promised those things and Gave them to us in the NT.

God has fought the Battle. He has won it. And He has GIVEN us the Victory.

I still affirm that Faith is believing Without a Doubt what God has DONE.

@Oaroloye.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



WRONG!

According to THE BIBLE, Faith means to trust wholly without an Atom of Doubt from what God has SAID.

. ROMANS 10:17.

17. So then Faith (cometh) by hearing,
and hearing by the Word of God.

BUT THAT STATEMENT IS WRONG, TOO.

. HEBREWS 11:1.

NOW Faith is the Substance of things hoped for,
the Evidence of things not seen.

THIS statement is correct- but PAUL said that FAITH comes by hearing the SPOKEN Word of God (RHEMA), and THAT IS WRONG.

If Faith came from hearing the spoken Word of God, everyone who merely read The Bible or had it read to them would have Faith.

. MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together unto him,
so that he went into a ship, and sat;
and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3. And he spake many things
unto them in Parables, saying,
"Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
6. "And when the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."
10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,
"Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?"
11. He answered and said unto them,
"Because it is given unto you
to know The Mysteries
of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore speak I to them in Parables:

'BECAUSE THEY SEEING SEE NOT;
AND HEARING THEY HEAR NOT,
NEITHER DO THEY UNDERSTAND.'

14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed
are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED BY THE WAY SIDE.
20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.
22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "

THE TERM YAHSHUA IS DEPICTED AS USING FOR THE WORD "WORD" IS VERY SPECIFIC: LOGOS: THE RECORDED WORD.

This is "THE WORD-THAT-IS-GOD:"

. [color=#990000]JOHN 1:1-4,9.

IN THE Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into The World.

THE LOGOS IS AN SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGE OF SPECIFIC COMPOSITION.

All things are made of these IMAGES.

The LOGOS of anything is its ABSOLUTE TRUTH that GENERATES everything that MANIFESTS about it.

It is HOW GOD CREATED IT in The Beginning.

The PRIME LOGOS- that is GOD created all things by creating modified duplicates of Himself.

HUMANS are duplicates that STILL LOOK LIKE HIM.

The LOGION do not have a SIZE, SHAPE, COLOUR, WEIGHT, MASS, LOCATION IN TIME NOR IN SPACE, TEMPERATURE, nor any other PHYSICAL PROPERTY. But they can create all of those MANIFEST EFFECTS. They are ALIVE and SENTIENT in their own right.

HUMANS have the capability of creating LOGION SPIRITUAL ENERGY IMAGES.

We can create Logion and manifest them on SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE:

1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. SPIRITS; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

YAHSHUA SAID that there are FOUR CLASSES OF PEOPLE who HEAR THE LOGOS WORDS OF GOD- therefore, there are FOUR CLASSES OF POSSIBLE RESULTS:

4. ABUNDANT SUCCESS.
3. SCANT SUCCESS.
2. FAILURE
1. TOTAL REJECTION.

Our NATURAL, DEFAULT CLASS is determined at our conception, by the MEAN of the classes of our parents at the time.

It is DIFFICULT to alter our class, positively or negatively- but it CAN be done.

The Technique of cultivating SPIRITUAL POWER with a view to attaining the Highest Class is called by THE NEW SEERS, who trained CARLOS CASTANEDA, THE WAY OF THE WARRIOR. It involves the deliberate use of SIX ATTRIBUTES:

1. CONTROL; 2. DISCIPLINE; 3. FORBEARANCE; 4. TIMING; 5. WILL; 6. A TYRANNICAL OPPRESSOR.

The last attribute is not part of the Warrior, and must be obtained from without.

Ideally, this is a person who has the literal power of life-and-death over the Warrior.

THE NEW SEERS found that if they used the first five attributes to handle trying to survive under a person who could just kill them on a whim- such that, they work to ensure that that such a whim never occurs- the better they became at navigating the Spiritual Realm, and obtaining results.

That is to say: PERSECUTION IS ESSENTIAL FOR SPIRITUAL GROWTH.

That is to say: IF ONE DOES NOT SUBMIT TO PERSECUTION, ONE CANNOT GROW SPIRITUALLY.

However, the WARRIOR must ALWAYS REMEMBER that PERSECUTION is NOT the GOAL- it is merely the ROAD to the GOAL.

WARRIORS are NOT supposed to SUCCUMB to persecution, but rather OVERCOME IT.

FALSE TEACHERS claim that getting oneself KILLED for THE FAITH is a COMMENDABLE GOAL.

Therefore, a LOT of THE BEST OF HUMANITY died STUPIDLY, thinking that they had SUCCEEDED by DYING FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS- whereas, in actual fact, THEY FAILED.



FAITH involves SEEING THE LOGOS IMAGE of what God has PROVIDED:

. JOHN 5:16-20.

16. And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus,
and sought to slay him,
because he had done these things
on the Sabbath Day.
17. But Jesus answered them,
"My Father Worketh hitherto,
and I Work."
18. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
because he not only had broken the Sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.
19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
"Verily, verily, I say unto you,

'THE SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF,
BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO:'

for what things soever He doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. "For The Father loveth the Son,
and sheweth him all things
that Himself doeth:
and he will shew him
Greater Works than these,
that ye may marvel."

FAITH IS THEREFORE THE PERCEPTION OF THE LOGOS OF GOD'S PROMISE.

The Mind creates logion to store perceptions, including thoughts, and memories.

DOUBT is therefore the introduction of ANOTHER LOGOS from that which GOD Provides.

Therefore the issue is CONCENTRATION.

To make FAITH work, one's mind must create the one image desired, and none of the ones not desired.



REALLY? WHO TOLD YOU THAT?

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

"JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete,
it shall be measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls before swine,
lest they trample them under their feet,
and turn again and rend you."

YAHSHUA SPECIFICALLY COMMANDED THAT BEFORE PEOPLE GO MEDDLING IN THE LIVES OF OTHERS, THAT THEY SHOULD GAIN THE ABILITY TO SEE CLEARLY. That is not a SUGGESTION: its a COMMANDMENT.

No. I have not done that.

If you think that that is an excuse for not accepting correction from me, try to think how you would feel, if I knew everything there was to know about you, and preached from that standpoint?

Let me help you out, and tell you, that your FREEDOM OF CHOICE would be ERASED.

I am not in a hurry to do that to anyone.



Even with my impaired Powers of Perception, I can tell whether a person has FAITH-IN-GOD or not.

It is EASY!

. LUKE 6:27-49.

27. "But I say unto you which hear,

'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
DO GOOD TO THEM
WHICH HATE YOU,
28. 'BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU,
AND PRAY FOR THEM
WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU.
29. 'AND UNTO HIM
THAT SMITETH THEE
ON THE ONE CHEEK
OFFER ALSO THE OTHER;
AND HIM THAT
TAKETH AWAY THY CLOAK
FORBID NOT TO TAKE
THY COAT ALSO.
30. 'GIVE TO EVERY MAN
THAT ASKETH OF THEE;
AND OF HIM
THAT TAKETH AWAY THY GOODS
ASK THEM NOT AGAIN.
31. 'AND AS YE WOULD THAT
MEN SHOULD DO TO YOU,
DO YE ALSO
TO THEM LIKEWISE.'

32. "For if ye love them which love you,
what thank have ye?
for Sinners also love those that love them.
33. "And if ye do good to them
which do good to you,
what thank have ye?
For Sinners also do even the same.
34. "And if ye lend to them
of whom ye hope to receive,
what thank have ye?
For Sinners also lend to sinners,
to receive as much again.
35. "But love ye your enemies,
and do good,
and lend,
hoping for nothing again;
and your Reward shall be great,
and ye shall be
The Children of the Highest:
for He is kind unto the unthankful
and to the Evil.
36. "Be ye therefore merciful,
as your Father also is Merciful.
37. "Judge not,
and ye shall not be judged:
condemn not,
and ye shall not be Condemned:
forgive,
and ye shall be Forgiven:
38. "Give, and it shall be given unto you;
good measure,
pressed down,
and shaken together,
and running over,
shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure
that ye mete withal
it shall be measured to you again."
39. And he spake a Parable unto them,
"Can the blind lead the blind?
shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40. "The disciple is not above his master:
but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41. "And why beholdest thou the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but perceivest not
the beam that is in
thine own eye?
42. "Either how canst thou
say to thy brother,

'BROTHER, LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE THAT IS
IN THINE EYE,'

when thou thyself beholdest not
the beam that is in thine own eye?
Thou Hypocrite, cast out first
the beam out of thine own eye,
and then shalt thou see clearly
to pull out the mote
that is in thy brother's eye.
43. "For a good tree
bringeth not forth corrupt fruit;
neither doth a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
44. "For every tree
is known by his own fruit.
For of thorns men do not gather figs,
nor of a bramble bush
gather they grapes.
45. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is Good;
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is Evil:
for of the abundance of the heart
his mouth speaketh.
46. "And why call ye me, 'Lord, Lord,'
and do not the things which I say?
47. "Whosoever cometh to me,
and heareth my sayings, and doeth them,
I will shew you to whom he is like:
48. "He is like a man which built an house,
and digged deep,
and laid the foundation on a rock:
and when the flood arose,
the stream beat vehemently
upon that house,
and could not shake it:
for it was founded upon a rock.
49. "But he that heareth, and doeth not,
is like a man that without a foundation
built an house upon the earth;
against which the stream
did beat vehemently,
and immediately it fell;
and the ruin of that house was great."

WHEN GOOD PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW SOMETHING CRUCIAL, THEY SAY: "WE DON'T KNOW; DOES ANYONE ELSE?" AND SHUT UP.

When EVIL PEOPLE do not know something crucial, THEY PRETEND THAT THEIR IGNORANCE IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE MISSING KNOWLEDGE!

They INVENT Laws and Fields that DO NOT EXIST- WHICH TOTALLY PROHIBIT anyone else from being able to find Solution to Problems THEY DECREE to be IMPOSSIBLE.

These Scriptures I have cited: DID YOU KNOW THEM BEFORE?

They tell how to know whether someone has FAITH or not.

They tell you how you can know what is in their heart.

THE WORDS OUT OF THEIR MOUTH TELL YOU WHAT IS IN THEIR HEART.

As a SCIENTOLOGY student, I would add also that EVIL THOUGHTS are LIVING BEINGS in their own right.

When you are trying to EXTRACT them, THEY FIGHT BACK.

The THINKER who CREATED them has no say in this matter!

When you SEE CLEARLY into someone- whether they told you their Secrets or not, YOU CAN TELL THESE EVIL THOUGHT ENTITIES TO LEAVE- and they WILL leave. YAHSHUA did this ALL the time. How did you think that he did it?

You think that there are no LAWS to these Operations? No SPECIAL TECHNIQUES to learn?

When you don't have Extrasensory Perception, you cannot go STRAIGHT to the ROOT CAUSE of the Problem in counselling someone- which you really should not be doing. But there are oblique Lines of Inquiry where you can sneak up on the Evil Thought Entity that was hiding from your probing..

[To be Concluded.]

Thanks for this message!

akintom:

Am very afraid for you. Based on my previous teachings on the subject of faith, my observations on the understanding that Christians have on the subject, and how it rewards them, you're at the baby phase of the Christian doctrine.

According to the advanced level of faith in god, FAITH IS NOT ABSENCE OF DOUBT. RATHER, FAITH IS TAKING GOD FOR/AT HIS WORDS, YOUR DOUBT NOTWITHSTANDING.

The three Hebrew kids said "EVEN (doubt) if our god will not deliver us.... Oh King, we will not bow to this image...".

Yet, according to the myth, Yahweh saved them from the furnace.

Just be careful, not to get hurt with the myth of the Bible.

Oaroloye has answered you.

Lemme chip this in. There a people who are advanced than their generation. They simply act, do or discover things which are actually for the next generations.

In the OT, faith was NOT a primary teaching so the people were NOT fully aware of the mode of operations of it. And because of this, God considered them.

Anyone who acts accordingly is in the class I mentioned above.

akintom:

Am very afraid for you. Based on my previous teachings on the subject of faith, my observations on the understanding that Christians have on the subject, and how it rewards them, you're at the baby phase of the Christian doctrine.

According to the advanced level of faith in god, FAITH IS NOT ABSENCE OF DOUBT. RATHER, FAITH IS TAKING GOD FOR/AT HIS WORDS, YOUR DOUBT NOTWITHSTANDING.

The three Hebrew kids said "EVEN (doubt) if our god will not deliver us.... Oh King, we will not bow to this image...".

Yet, according to the myth, Yahweh saved them from the furnace.

Just be careful, not to get hurt with the myth of the Bible.

A single verse will answer your question. You'll get to know why God bore them of old even in their lack of faith and worked amongst them.

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at (overlooked); but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:30).

Look at that verse carefully. Alot of people have misinterpreted this verse to mean that God overlooks whatsoever humans do ignorantly. But that not what the verse is saying. Because God won't excuse anyone into heaven if they are not righteous because they committed the sins in question ignorantly.

Here is what it says:

"and the times of ignorance, God overlooked." meaning, there was a time when God overlooked certain things that men do which are against His standards. And that time, he refered to as "the times of ignorance"

But NOW, he demands from all men everywhere to repent (walk according to His standards). Altho' not all men everywhere knows God's standards. But as far as God is concerned, NOW is not the time of ignorance.

Notice: it reads "but now commandeth all men every where (whether you know God's standards or not) to repent:"

it didn't read "but now commandeth all men, who knows the truth or all men who knows God's standards to repent:"

That tells you that NOW, God is no longer taking ignorant as an excuse. And won't do anything until man have Faith.

In summary: In the Earlier times, before the way of Faith was revealed, God refered to that time as the times of ignorance and there4 he overlooked their inability to have Faith. But now, not any longer.

Lemme answer the unanswerable Question. I'll just quote one of my previous posts. Perhaps, it should answer the unanswerable Question

Efewestern:


it just defy all logical reasoning, how can GOD judge people base on their believe, what happens to those who are not born into the Christian faith, no good Christian can answer that question.

am a Christian thou, as for the existence of God, yes, no one should force it on anyone but you can't shy away from the truth.. Once again GOD Is Real. do have a good night rest oniovo

People who died before Christianity was founded.

In the Bible, there are three Eras.

i. Before the Law. From the fall of
man till when Moses delivered the
Law.

ii. Under the Law. From when
Moses brought the Law till when
Jesus resurrected.

iii. Under Grace. From Jesus'
resurrection till date.

Under the Law, Righteousness was
attained by keeping all the Law.
Exodus 19:5-6, James 2:10. As
many that lived during the Law Era
shall be judged by the Law.
Romans 2:12.

Under Grace, Righteousness is
obtained by placing our Faith in
Jesus. Romans 2:21-22. Romans
10:4-10. As many that live under
grace shall be judged by God's
standard of Righteousness Under Grace which is by placing our Faith
in Jesus. James 2:12.

What then? What about the people
who died Before the Law, how
shall God judged them?

First, lemme establish that all sinful
men that have died are already in
Hell Fire. As we see from Jesus'
story of Lazarus and the rich man.
Luke 16:19-24. However, the Bible
tells us that Hell isn't the final abode of the wicked but the Lake of Fire.
Revelations 21:8. Because Hell itself
shall be casted into the Lake of Fire.
Revelations 20:13-14. Before the
residents of Hell shall be casted into
the Lake of Fire, they shall be judged. Verse 13 shows that.

Having established that, lemme
quickly show us this. . . When Jesus
died, He spent 3days in the grave.
What was He doing all the while?
1Peter 3:19-20 shows us one of
the things He was doing. . . He went to preach to people who died
during the days of Noah (before
the Law) and as many that believed
in Him resurrected with Him along
with all the saints who had died
prior to His resurrection (Matthew 27:52) who were in Abraham's
bosom. Luke 16:22. Altogether,
they ascended to Heaven on His
ascension. Acts 1:9, Hebrews 12:1.

Please try to read all the cited
scriptures. . . This post might not contain all that needs to be addressed, please bear with me.

I'll address other issues later.

@Frank317

Your Questions are many.

Perhaps, I can help sum up the answer.

Just as it is with every human being, that everyone has his or her own principles by which they live so it is with God.

No matter how much a man loves a lady, there are certain things he can't take from her. Especially when the lady is overly demanding asking the man NOT to be himself anymore.

Well, it varies with men. But every man has principles by which he lives. Every man have at least what they can't change about them no matter what. If you can't cope with that, it's your choice whether to depart or continue to endure it.

The same with God. One of it is, "you wanna please me/walk with me, you have to have Faith -Hebrew 11:6"

So, if you don't have Faith, you can't please God. And you can't get anything out from Him.

To walk with God, Faith is a necessity. It is the platform on which everything lies.

akintom:


* have you commanded the "SS" to "AA" or "AS" now?

* do you still take medication or just "command" only?

The Testimony is, me who used to fall sick every month and won't get well until the doctor place me on series of treatments has not taken ordinary paracetamol since the last 6years. I've being enjoying my healthy life for the past 7years.

As for reconfirming my genotype, to be honest, I haven't done that. But it's obvious that an SS patient can't live for 7years without at least, a little health challenge.

All I do is continually affirm what God has done for me in Christ without an atom of doubt.

CatfishBilly:

So, the HIV patients discarding their drugs and praying aren't doing it in faith, Pray, tell which show of faith is greater than discarding the antiretroviral drugs?

Lemme bring this Forth. . .Faith means to trust wholly without an atom of doubt or wavering from what God has done.

A little doubt, and that's NO longer faith.

Faith, fear and doubt are inward things. There4 no one else can know it except the man himself.

You can't account for another man whether he had faith or NOT. Why? Because you never can tell whether he had a little doubt.

You may say, all his actions shows that he believed. Yes! Matthew 12:34. Unless something is abundant in the heart, it can't result into action.

If doubt is in his heart in little proportion, tho' it won't manifest in his action. But that doubt has made his faith irrelevant. Meaning, he didn't even have Faith.

Mark 11:23 tells us about Faith. It says, "if you have Faith without a doubt, whatsoever you say shall be so done"

If what you said wasn't done as you said it, then, you didn't have Faith.

Mark 11:23 makes it very clear that Faith can't Fail. So, if you have problem with getting results, perhaps, you need to check what you called faith again. Whether a little fear or doubt was mingled with it.

akintom:

What kind of "command"?

Myself for example, I was a sickle cell disease patient. Was sickly until I came to this perfect liberty. This has been the case since I started to address sickness as a corruptor. I always affirm that I can NEVER be sick because Jesus never suffered such (1John 4:17b) and so it has been for me over the years.

Mark 11:23 "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. ". . Notice: "whosoever shall say to this mountain". . He didn't tell you to consult God to move the mountain... He said, "tell the mountain to move".

Sorry I didn't read everything before commenting. Read only pages 1, 2 and 14. But at least, I know what the thread is about already.

I'd love to discuss this widely, but pardon me, I may not. However, further questionings will bring that in.

Talking about Failed Prayers, the reason is simple; they are not done in Faith. The Bible tells us that prayers done in Faith CAN NOT fail. Mark 9:23. Faith makes impossibilities possible.

I can imagine the kind of prayers offered:

1. Lord donot allow my enemies prevail over me.

God is NOT going about delivering anymore. He has finished His Work and has delivered POWER to you. Luke 10:19. So, it's left for you to use that power. Powers are NOT used in pleading, they are used in uttering authoritative words.

That prayer failed because it is amiss. Affirm with your tongue what you want without a doubt and so shall it be! Proverbs 18:21.

2. Oh Lord! Take this sickness away from me.

This also is amiss. God didn't put the sickness there. Acts 10:38 tells us who causes sicknesses. Colossians 2:15 tells us that Christ has won the victory. 1corinthians 15:57 tells us that God has GIVEN us that victory over satan and his cohorts.

To beg God in tears to take sicknesses aways is like telling him He hasn't done it before. He has done His part. Do yours! What's your part? Act on the Word of God by Faith.

Many Christians sees themselves as one "trying to conquer problems" whereas to act in Faith says otherwise. It says you have see yourself as a victor first b4 it materializes.

Genesis 13:14-15 shows us a spiritual principle. "what you see is what you possess"

Joshua 6:2 God gave Joshua a condition before they could possess Jericho. That condition was "SEE". . . God needed them to see Jericho as their possession already before they are gonna possess it physically.

What do you do when you fall sick? Give it a command! An outright one! Donot consult God to heal you. He already has done His part.

I'll stop here. Perhaps, further questionings will help me say a little more.

frank317:

Atheists never claimed to have answers to those questions... So why are u asking them?

But they deny the existence of God which infact is obvious.

Niflheim:
@OP,

You are 100% correct when you say that god does not exist!!!

1.The "Auto-theists" are the closest to describing what a god is, for they will tell you to look in the mirror if you want to see god!!! The "Auto-theist" believes in himself!!!

2.However, the "Theothanatologists" will insist that god died many years ago..................................and so therefore, he does not exist again!!!

3.The "Anthropotheist" insists that all gods are deified men!!! In other words, Zeus was just a king who lived on a mountain, and Hercules was just a strong warrior who used to catch beasts in the forest!!! This is why the christian bible has scenes(fictional characters), whereby god regrets making humans, and also claims to have been searching for Adam(Hide and Seek)!!! These are not the characteristics of gods, they are the characteristics of men!!!

4.If you ask a christian if the christian thinks that the Japanese Lesbian Goddess exists, you will be surprised to hear him say, "Capital N-O, NO!!!"

I hope you know you've not made any point?

5. Religion doing more harm than God. Should I answer this one too?

Well, that depends on your definitions. Whatever religion is defined as, if you include Christianity; I'd tell you Christianity is the right one.

And I donot see Christianity as causing any harm, divisions, discriminations or any such things. In 1Corinthians 9:19-23 we saw the Holy Apostle Paul relating with all kinds of people.

Also, Christianity teaches that we LOVE and care for all men. That's what we owe all men.

Well, other religions might have otherwise written in their Holy Book but NOT Christianity.

Thanks for your time and patience with me. If you have anymore Questions, please ask.

4. None has seen God.

Do we have to see God before we believe he Exists? Christianity is a Relationship with God based on Faith. 2Corinthians 5:7. Hebrews 11:6. Hebrews 11:1.

If you don't have Faith (in Jesus), then, you are not a Christian. That is what makes us Christians in essence.

However, that doesn't mean that there are no proofs of God's existence. There are enormous and ample number of proofs that God exists.

1. Science has NOT found cure to HIV/Aids but, many have been healed of it. That's God's Doing. God is more advanced than science. As we all know, science can't explain that yet.

2. From the scientific Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT, which states that, "for every material effect, there must an equivalent material cause before it". . . Also, according to that Law, an effect can NOT cause itself because the cause must be before the effect. See that? The Universe is a material effect, what Caused it? Science said it's the Big Bang. Well, since the Big Bang is a material effect too, it must have a cause before it. Which science never said anything about that. Here, we see that science has contradicted itself.

The ONLY suitable factor that can be said to cause the Universe is God. And when asked, what caused God? That same scientific Law provides the answer to that. It only applies to "material" effects. Well, God is NOT a material effect. So, as far as science knows, it can NOT know what caused God.

These are concrete evidences that God exists. Except that science is unyeilding to the Truth which is obvious.

Fabulosdave01:
Before you say anything, I just want to remind you all that I am a Christian. I have been having doubts about my faith for some time now. I have done my research and I want to share it with you guys. Here are some of the reasons why I doubt God.
1) religion is determined by geography:have you ever asked yourself why you're a Christian? where you are born determines what religion you will be. If you're born in India you'll be a Hindu, if China Buddhist, if born in Iran you'll be a Muslim. Why would a "God" create us and tell us to serve him but allow so much confusion to how we worship him?
2) Noah's ark is physically impossible and it's plagiarism: we all know of the famous Noah ark story we were told when we were young. Have you ever thought about it yourself? How would 50000+ animals enter a ship smaller than the titanic? If Noah sacrificed one of every animal how did the animals reproduce? Also the Noah story is a rip off of the epic of Gilgamesh which dates way back before the Bible. I advise you all to check out the story.
3) what about the people who died before Christianity? There was once a time in history when people believed in Zeus and Poseidon. Those people are all dead. According to the Bible they are all hell bound. Why would a merciful God throw people to hell when he didn't even give them a chance? This doesn't make sense.
4) have you seen him? No one has seen God. People only believe what they see. Me preaching to someone about God is like selling a manual without the phone but assuring the customer the phone exists. I laugh when people say they have seen God. No one sees God and lives.
5) religion is doing more harm than good. Taking Nigeria for example, we can see how religion has taken away our rational thought and made us slaves. Less religious countries in Europe have gone far in technology while we are still fighting ourselves on religion.

Summary: religion is man made. And like anything man made it'll die.

Cc lalasticlala seun mynd44

3. People who died before Christianity was founded.

In the Bible, there are three Eras.

i. Before the Law. From the fall of man till when Moses delivered the Law.

ii. Under the Law. From when Moses brought the Law till when Jesus resurrected.

iii. Under Grace. From Jesus' resurrection till date.

Under the Law, Righteousness was attained by keeping all the Law. Exodus 19:5-6, James 2:10. As many that lived during the Law Era shall be judged by the Law. Romans 2:12.

Under Grace, Righteousness is obtained by placing our Faith in Jesus. Romans 2:21-22. Romans 10:4-10. As many that live under grace shall be judged by God's standard of Righteousness Under Grace which is by placing our Faith in Jesus. James 2:12.

What then? What about the people who died Before the Law, how shall God judged them?

First, lemme establish that all sinful men that have died are already in Hell Fire. As we see from Jesus' story of Lazarus and the rich man. Luke 16:19-24. However, the Bible tells us that Hell isn't the final abode of the wicked but the Lake of Fire. Revelations 21:8. Because Hell itself shall be casted into the Lake of Fire. Revelations 20:13-14. Before the residents of Hell shall be casted into the Lake of Fire, they shall be judged. Verse 13 shows that.

Having established that, lemme quickly show us this. . . When Jesus died, He spent 3days in the grave. What was He doing all the while? 1Peter 3:19-20 shows us one of the things He was doing. . . He went to preach to people who died during the days of Noah (before the Law) and as many that believed in Him resurrected with Him along with all the saints who had died prior to His resurrection (Matthew 27:52) who were in Abraham's bosom. Luke 16:22. Altogether, they ascended to Heaven on His ascension. Acts 1:9, Hebrews 12:1.

Please try to read all the cited scriptures.

I'll continue shortly.

Fabulosdave01:
Before you say anything, I just want to remind you all that I am a Christian. I have been having doubts about my faith for some time now. I have done my research and I want to share it with you guys. Here are some of the reasons why I doubt God.
1) religion is determined by geography:have you ever asked yourself why you're a Christian? where you are born determines what religion you will be. If you're born in India you'll be a Hindu, if China Buddhist, if born in Iran you'll be a Muslim. Why would a "God" create us and tell us to serve him but allow so much confusion to how we worship him?
2) Noah's ark is physically impossible and it's plagiarism: we all know of the famous Noah ark story we were told when we were young. Have you ever thought about it yourself? How would 50000+ animals enter a ship smaller than the titanic? If Noah sacrificed one of every animal how did the animals reproduce? Also the Noah story is a rip off of the epic of Gilgamesh which dates way back before the Bible. I advise you all to check out the story.
3) what about the people who died before Christianity? There was once a time in history when people believed in Zeus and Poseidon. Those people are all dead. According to the Bible they are all hell bound. Why would a merciful God throw people to hell when he didn't even give them a chance? This doesn't make sense.
4) have you seen him? No one has seen God. People only believe what they see. Me preaching to someone about God is like selling a manual without the phone but assuring the customer the phone exists. I laugh when people say they have seen God. No one sees God and lives.
5) religion is doing more harm than good. Taking Nigeria for example, we can see how religion has taken away our rational thought and made us slaves. Less religious countries in Europe have gone far in technology while we are still fighting ourselves on religion.

Summary: religion is man made. And like anything man made it'll die.

Cc lalasticlala seun mynd44

I wish that this post will at least answer your Questions. Well, lemme just go straight to answer your questions. Perhaps, that's the best to do here.

1. Well, to some extent, your point stands. Geography has greatly affected what religion some practice. But, you can't blame God for that. God has laid His standards however, for this same purpose of decieving and putting mankind in confusion, satan has founded alot of counterfeits. 1Corinthians 11:13-15. And because deception is sure to be in the world, that's why Jesus advised us to be careful so as not to be decieved. Matthew 24:4. It is solely the responsibility of every man to search for what is the right way to serve God. Deutoronomy 30:19. God cannot be blamed if any man is decieved because He has revealed the truth. Having studied many world religions, I vouch for Christianity. And by God's grace, I've always answered every question that place people in doubt about Christianity.

2. About Noah's ark being impossible. . . What can I say? We read the story in the Bible and to prove that it really happened, the remains of the ark was found. That's evidence enough to prove that that story is not false. Note that it is impossible to explain God and His doings by logic. 1corinthians 3:18-19. God has done and is still doing things which are beyond the scope of science. Science can not account for God and His doings. Isaiah 55:9, 1corinthians 2:14. E.g What cause the universe? How did matter and energy come into being in the closed system of the universe since science has neither find a way to create nor destroy it?

I'll continue shortly.

frank317:



Why are u asking this questions to atheists?

Providing answer to those Questions will make it rather obvious that even science demands that there MUST be a God.

frank317:


how does believing in kingdom of darkness change the fact that it takes me and you to make the world a better place. How does it change the fact that we have to work hard to make a living and take care of our loved ones.

people have been believing in different kind of shits but thats ur head messing u up. believe or no believe, there is no much difference between u and me

Pardon! I do not get your point(s). Those questions are for the atheists. Lets start from there. Perhaps, answering those questions will lead us somewhere.

Well, I'm just wondering how comes there are atheists. How do you account for phenomenons which are beyond the scope of science?

1. Science is yet to find a cure to HIV/Aids; but, many have been healed of HIV/Aids without taking any medications.

2. The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that, "In a closed system, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. But can only be transformed from one for to another". The same goes for matter. The Universe is a closed system. Now, How did matter and energy come into being in the Universe? If there was ever a time when there was NOTHING, then there can always be NOTHING except an external force comes into play.

3. According to the LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT, "for every material effect, there's an equivalent material cause before it." My Question is, what caused the Universe? Oh! Maybe the Big Bang did. Then, since the Big Bang is a material effect too. Then I ask, What caused the Big Bang?

Think!!!

The answer is obvious. She's got right to an extent. But, when it becomes frequent; I bet many guys would look for an alternative. To beg her sometimes is ok. And am sure she would understand why it has to be at that time.

Never knew this is yet on. As for me, I'm less concerned about human's standard of judgement; but, God's. A sinner and his accomplice shares the same condemnation. Ok, lemme take it that the writer's friend knew God; God demands us to be self-controlled. And if that guy was self-controlled, this wouldn't have happened! So what, is it right to blame your weakness on someone else? Hell, no! And you, Mr Uyi26 and cohorts, do you support him in his weakness instead of helping him to get over it? I can see that's what y'all are doing; and that does shows that you're not a good dude/friend. Lets call a spade a spade! Repent and be saved! For all y'all on the other side, endorsing this great evil, this is for you, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7). I bet you, since y'all endorse this, a recompense is coming your way so you'll know how it feels, except you repent. Peace!

Too bad! Its saddening to learn that humans could be this heartless. However, Mr Uyi26 I gotta tell you that you didn't do the right thing. You had the chance/opportunity to save the young lady from being raped; but what then, you supported the EVIL! "Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered." (Proverbs 11:21). You are an Accomplice to the defilement of God's Temple. Look at what 1corinthians 3:17 says "He that defile My temple, I will destroy" says the LORD. How about that? Repent! Else even a greater evil than you've endorsed will come upon you.