Goshen360:


No, they would have died instantly....the same day they disobeyed. He said, IN THE DAY THAT YOU EAT, YOU (ADAM) SHALL SURE DIED.

They died the same day they ate the fruit.

HOW?

Remember it was God who said it. So, to grasp that, we need to understand what "one day" means to God.

Well, truly, in God's calculation/reckoning, no man has lived a day old.

The oldest man to have lived on earth, being Methuselah, lived 969years old, and that, is not up to a day in God's calculation.

2Peter 3:8 shows us clearly how God counts Days.

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

Psalms 90:4 "for a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night"


A day in God's Calendar = A thousand years on earth.

MZLady39:


Wow brother,
You've basically answered these questions as I would have.....very scripturally sound.
Thank you for this.....beautifully stated......

Thanks to God Almighty.

lepasharon:


These imperfections affect animals too so have they sinned aswell

Adam(Mankind) was the chief creation of God. The whole earth was put under him. Therefore, his subordinates were affected by his sin.

Akiintom:

If all these your unfounded claims were true, why do born again couple, still give birth to babies with deformity?


Didn't your God says that the soul that sin, shall die? What sin did infant commit?

To answer that first paragraph:

"the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon the righteous. . .the parent's righteousness cannot be accorded to the child"

And the 2nd:

"for by the sin of one man, Adam, ALL were made sinners".



Also, read the answer I gave earlier, again.

2. Do you know God's plan?
His plan was to have worshippers who worship Him out of their freewill.
Now, tell me why there shouldn't be an alternative path.



Lastly, I won't give you the privilege of answering the last question.

mrmrmister:

You're calm, I love that.

Kindly answer one of the questions below:

"Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit"

1. Who created the forbidden tree?
And why?

2. God had a perfect plan but created a tree that could disrupt the whole plan. Discuss.

3. The "Garden of Eden" story is the most crappy story in the bible. Give your answers for or against.

Lemme quickly trash these questions.

1. From the beginning, God didn't creat robots. He created beings with freedom of choice both Angels and Humans alike.

Sin originated when a freewill being misused it's freewill and chose evil rather than good. That being was Lucifer. And afterwards, he led other Angels astray with himself, and ultimately, Humans.

They all being freewill beings, chose their paths themselves.

Why did God creat the Tree?

That's very simple. There's no freewill where there's no multiple choices.

mrmrmister:

What disrupted the plan?

Misusage of Freedom of Choice.

HardMirror:

Then God becomes absolutely useless? Cos I doubt if God ever solved any birth defect before and now the so called immortality may be the doing of man yet again

God has solved many.

See John 9:1-7 and Acts 3:1-10.

Those accts are actually accts of those born with those deformities and God solved those problems.

And He's still solving problems today!

lepasharon:


Shebi christians say everything god makes is good?

Everything God made was good until sin came into the world.

Sin brought imperfections, troubles, death etc to the earth.

But donot fret, the promise of a PERFECT earth is still up for grab.

DON'T MISS OUT!

Akiintom:

Just finding it impossible, to link sin with birth malformation.

Should you find it impossible?

Romans 5:12-21 explains that clearly.

12. "wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

6:23 says the same thing. Sin brought imperfection to the earth especially upon those who have sinned.

All have sinned and the consequencies of sin is upon all except those who Jesus have taken away their sins, those who have faith in Him.

Notice: The death of Jesus and the justification he brought is not automatically given to anyone, except those who have faith in him. There4, children are still under the condemnation brought upon all by Adam's sin.

I'll stop here.

...they would return to their state of immortality, but this time, with the knowledge of good and evil.

The Former, they were immortal beings without knowledge of good and evil. . .the latter would be that they will be immortal with knowledge of good and evil. lemme stop here. #CandidSeeker.

CandidSeeker:


My Sister,

Eating from 'the tree' only gave them access to the 'knowledge of good and evil', God's original plan was for them to eat immortality from 'the tree of LIFE':

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - Gen.2:16-17

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: -Gen.3:23

(Modified)

-Peace.

Combine the 2verse you quoted and you're at what MZLady39 is saying. They were meant to live forever. . .but when they ate the fruit, they died. Genesis 2:17. Also, they obtained the knowledge of good and evil. at this point, if they should eat of the tree again, they would return....

APCsupporter:


how is Islam spreading by terrorism when you just claimed that they are killing your people? are they killing them or converting them?

This is one of the problems I have with moslems. Most of them don't understand English language. And no wonder, how will they understand when they're forced to learn another language(Arabic) without perfecting one yet?

I advise you, focus on one. If English, learn and understand it before proceeding to another.

Did you even read what she wrote?

they kill the ones who refuse to convert, and spare the ones who accept Islam when confronted with death. . .did you read that?

adepeter26:

Now, if I explain to you that the child was never dead in the first instance, you will say otherwise.

Like you were there?

One thing I knew was that I
never saw any miracle
happen to people whom I
know to be physically
disabled, the only miracles I
hear of are always on TV and they happen to those I
don't know...

My friend's dad is blind, he
was taken to Tb Joshua, and
can you imagine, "God's
time is the best", was what
he was told.. Not until now, I
realized miracles were fake as the tranny allegations on
Michelle Obama!

You could have performed MIRACLES if only you never gave up.

I've recieved Miracles, I've seen, and I've performed.

A Good friend of mine prayed for a-10 years old dead child and she revived.

Please, do not be this short sighted (blind). It's NOT God's fault that you couldn't perform miracles. It is your fault!

onyenze123:


The only mighty works I see in this world are scientific and technological breakthrough. That man can now send a rover to Mars is a mighty work, that man can now work in International Space Station is a mighty work, that man can cure himself from illnesses with diagnosis and drugs...

What about Commanding the Sick to be healed without Drugs and Diagnosis?

What about Ascending upward without Escape Velocity?

What about healing sickness science has NOT found cure for?

What about commanding the cripple to rise up and walk without medical measures taken?


You're denying what is too obvious.

onyenze123:


Gods of Christians? hehehehehehe...

if Gods of Christians is all powerful why not destroy other gods since he is a jealous God and doesn't share his glory with anyone?

by the way, what do you mean by mighty works?

For the Bolded part, watch the video I shared the link on youtube.


And then, came explain to us what could be responsible for that.



From what I've gathered so far, there's something/somebody out there which/who violates the supposed IMMUTABLE LAWS OF NATURE anytime it/he pleases.

What do you think? All these things happens by chance?

onyenze123:


Gods of Christians? hehehehehehe...

if Gods of Christians is all powerful why not destroy other gods since he is a jealous God and doesn't share his glory with anyone?

by the way, what do you mean by mighty works?

He has set an appointed time for that. Revelations 19:20, 20:10-15.

Revelations 19:20 "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Revelations 20:10-15 "10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."



God wants a relationship with mankind which He has created. If He had created mankind without freedom of Choice, that aim would be unachievable. So, God created man with freedom of Choice.

There's NOTHING like Choice where there's NO multiple options.

The Multiple option here is to Choose btw obeying Him or Disobeying Him(rebelling with satan/obeying satan). Deuteronomy 30:19.

Deuteronomy 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"



Jesus said in Matthew 24:4 "take heed that no man decieve you"

Telling us that DECEPTION is in the Earth.



God has revealed His Truth. And satan goes about to establish the counterfeit. 2Corinthians 11:13-15.


2Corinthians 11:13-15 "13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

He allowed that just to achieve His ultimate purpose, which is, to get mankind serve Him out of their freewill. So, therefore, no man can blame God for allowing himself to be decieved.

And as many that does this, He'll creat a perfect UNIVERSE where they will inhabit for ever. Revelations 21:4-5.


Revelations 21:4-5 "4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

Note: This universe is imperfect. And God has made it so just in order to achieve the purpose as stated above.

Martinez19:
One thing I hate is intellectual dishonesty. If the bible said the earth is flat and we see evidence that it is not, they will try to come up with some explanation to verify the bible. A pastor will be boasting on the pulpit that everything is spiritual and that the spiritual controls the physical but when you have cancer, they will ask you to get medical care and pray. They will tell you that the problem should be fought physically and spiritually. But I thought the spiritual controls the physical? Why bother about the physical? Won't it take care of it self if everything is fine in the spiritual?

Most pastors will be shouting that God can do all things but when you bring a case to them, they depart from the erm, erm spiritual and indirectly try to draw you to reality while stylishly coating everything with 'God talk'. They are just empty. They tell you that God protects you yet they use body guards . They don't go to hospitals to heal ailments. They are proud and heartless. They don't quiver with shame when they go to the hospital for treatment. Few of them are sincere.

Hard times don't test people with God, instead it test the God of people. Talk is cheap but action speaks better than words.

I am a living witness to LIVE MIRACLES.

Check this one out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXrAdkGUMN4&itct=CBYQpDAYASITCK7JjuK3s9ICFcGCVQodQUgFelIcUGFzdG9yIENocmlzIE1pcmFjbGUgSGVhbGluZw%3D%3D&client=mv-google&gl=NG&hl=en-GB


Tell us which doctor healed that woman.

Me for one, I don't visit hospital for treatments anymore since I found this way of Faith.

I was actually always sickly in the past despite my contant visit to doctors and hospitals for treatments until I found this way of Faith.

And I've been living healthily without medications and without any health challenges since the past 7years I repented.

onyenze123:



I have repented in Jesus name, Amen!!!

Are you happy now? It seems you have won a soul for Christ. Rejoice, for your reward is in heaven

By the way lemme ask you an honest question:

Since you claim Christ is the way, the truth and life... what happens to Moslems, Hindus, buddists, Jewsish... Our forefathers that worshipped various gods?

Address my Post. Meanwhile, lemme address yours.

Yes! There are alot of Religions scattered throughout the Earth.

And each claims to worship a god. Well, in this case, how do we know which one worships the True God?

The 1st thing to get straight is that there is only ONE true God.

So, we're left to discover whether it's the god of the Hindu, Buddhist, Moslems or Christians.

How do we know? The god who proves himself to be God is the True God indeed.

Well, I'm yet to see which god proves himself as the God of the Christians. I can give you many instances where He has proved Himself. I'm a Living Witness and A Vessel of His Mighty works. Glory to God!

You can also experience this awesome power. You can also be used to do these Mighty Works.

Kdon2:


Dumb

Are you in anyway trying to sideline The Law of Cause and Effect?

OR

According to The Law of Probability and Fulfilled Prophecy is it Possible for ALL the forty eight (48) Bible Prophecies about Jesus' crucifixion in the OT (Old Testament) to be fulfilled exactly in the NT (New Testament) by CHANCE?

Hmmm!

One of the Reasons why some choose to be Atheists is because they claim there's no Evidence of God's Existence.


Lemme briefly share on "Nature and God"


Nature is the LAW(s) ruling the universe. Actually, they are Immutable. E.g the Law Of Gravity, The Law of Cause and Effect, The Laws of Conservation of Mass and Energy.

These LAWs reign supreme.

However, as the Bible has presented, God set all that in place. And wouldn't do anything on earth UNTIL humans pray to Him.

Prayer simply means INVITING GOD to work on Earth. He doesn't come uninvited.

Well, I understand that this is WHERE Atheists have problem with the Christian Faith. But, just to mention a Few Among others;

I've Learnt about the LAW OF GRAVITY BEING INTERRUPTED;

I've FELT the SPIRITUAL REALM;

I've SEEN a CRIPPLE RISE UP AND WALK AT A CHRISTIAN's command in Jesus' name.

I've SEEN numerous things which violates the supposed IMMUTABLE LAWS OF NATURE.

Do Atheists want me to believe that all THOSE happened by CHANCE?

Hell NO! It can't be by CHANCE!

Look up this LIVE HEALING BY A PASTOR on youtube



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXrAdkGUMN4&itct=CBYQpDAYASITCK7JjuK3s9ICFcGCVQodQUgFelIcUGFzdG9yIENocmlzIE1pcmFjbGUgSGVhbGluZw%3D%3D&client=mv-google&gl=NG&hl=en-GB



You're free TO make Your research to confirm whether it's true or NOT.

And What Could cause such thing to happen if not God?

From as Much as I've gathered, I've come to realize some reasons why Atheists believes that God doesn't exist. The Aim of this Thread is to bring those reasons out and Address them.

1. If God exist, what's His Scientific proof?
Even Science itself demands that there Must be a God. Carefully studying the Law of Cause and Effect tells us that the Universe Couldn't have been in Existence without being caused. And the Cause has to exist before the Effect

By this Scientific Law, there has to be a God who caused the Universe, else it won't be!


2. If there is a God, then, how does He intend to be worshipped considering that there are so many religions professing God.

Yes! There are so many Religions. And I can tell you, many are counterfeit!
If there is a God, He has to prove Himself in some way(s).

Specifically, the God of the Bible has proved Himself to be True. Various Prophecies in the OT and are fulfilled in the NT exactly as it was prophesied.

The Words of the Bible are evident in Lives today. Talking about the Concept of Miracles, I'm a living witness. I have seen and performed.

But, why is there so many confusions? Why so many religions?

Satan founded them for this very purpose of decieving you! 2Corinthians 11:13-15.

3. If there is a God, why has He NOT put to an end sufferings?

God created a perfect Earth that there should be NO such thing as Suffering in it. But however, God created Humans with freedom of Choices. And Man, by his freedom of Choice chose to disobey God and ALL mankind became sinners deserving punishment Romans 3:23, 5:17-19. Hence, we are NO longer justified before God but to wait patiently till God's appointed time when He has planned to Perfect the Earth again. Revelations 21:4-5..


I'll Modify and Add other reasons to it later.

Also, if as an atheist, you have other reasons, please bring forth. But, I beg you to be open-minded and you shall find answers to your questions.

Wow!!

It's with Great Pleasure and a sense of Responsibility I share this few lines with you.



I'd like you to reconsider your decision to rule out the existence of God, following these reasons:

1. What if there is a God? There's sufficient evidence of His existence already. The Law of Cause and Effect, the Law of Teleology, the 1st Law of Thermodynamics The Concept of Miracle etc.

2. What if there is Heaven and Hell and you died without doing the Needful simply because you disbelieve that God exists? That would be a Loss you can NEVER recover from. If you've got Questions to ask, and Answers to find; you must do it now! Save Yourself! There is NO repentance in the Grave.

The answer to this question depends greatly on what is meant by “conclusive” proof of God. Can we reach out
and touch God or see Him in
the same way that we touch
and see people? No. But there are countless ways one can
know assuredly that God does
exist, that He is real, and He is who He says He is. We will look briefly at three ways of proving His existence using both science and the Bible.

[b]1. PROOF OF GOD: THE LAW OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.[\b]
This law of science states that every cause has its effect and every effect has its cause. This law is the basis of all science. As such, this law bears a relationship to the origin of the heavens and the earth. In fact, scientists agree that the universe has not existed forever, that it had a beginning at some point in
time.

The theory of relativity, which
is almost universally accepted
among scientists, has certain
implications for this Law of
Cause and Effect. One is that
the universe, defined as time, space, matter, and physical
energy had a beginning, that it is not eternal. And it is through Einstein’s equations that scientists can trace the
development of the universe back to its very origin, back to
what is called the “singularity
event” when it actually came
into being. Science has proven that the universe really did have a beginning. This means that if the universe had a starting point in history, then it obviously began to exist, and it must have a cause for its existence.

Therefore, if the universe
needs a cause for its coming
into being, then that cause
must be beyond the universe— which is time, space, matter, and physical energy. That cause must be something similar to what Christians call “God.” Even
Richard Dawkins, probably the most prominent proponent for atheism in our time, admitted in a TIME magazine article that “there could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible and beyond our present understanding.” Yes, and that is God!

We can best summarize this
cosmological evidence with the following statements:

[b](1) Whatever begins to exist
must have a cause for its
existence.

(2) The universe began to exist.

(3) Therefore, the universe
must have a cause for its
existence.

(4) The attributes of the cause of the universe (being timeless, existing outside of space, and so on) are the attributes of God.

(5) Therefore, the cause of the universe must be God (Genesis 1:1).[\b]

[b]2. PROOF OF GOD: THE LAW OF TELEOLOGY[\b]
Teleology is the study of design or purpose in natural phenomena. This law of science essentially means that when an object reflects a
purpose, goal, or design, it
must have had a designer. Simply put, things do not
design themselves. This holds
true for the things in the
universe, which proves that it
had to have a Designer.

For example, the earth in
orbiting the sun departs from a straight line by only one-ninth of an inch every 1 miles—a very straight line in human terms. If the orbit changed by one-tenth of an inch every 18 miles, it would be vastly larger and we would all freeze to death. If it changed by one-eighth of an inch, we would be incinerated. The sun is burning at approximately 20 million degrees Celsius at its interior. If the earth was moved 10% farther away, we would soon freeze to death. If it was moved 10% closer, we would be reduced to ashes. Are we to believe that such precision “just happened”? Think about it: the sun is poised at 93 million miles from Earth, which happens to be just right. Did this happen by chance or by design? It’s no small wonder that the psalmist alludes to God as the grand designer: [b]“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. . . . [The sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other” (Psalm 19:1, 6).[\b]

[b]PROOF OF GOD: THE LAWS OF PROBABILITY AND FULFILLED PROPHECY[\b]
There are 1,093 prophecies in the Bible that refer to Jesus and His Church, and each one of those prophecies was fulfilled! The Old Testament contains 48 prophecies that pertain to the crucifixion of Jesus. When applying the laws of probability to calculate the likelihood of
several events taking place at
or near the same time, all
probabilities have to be multiplied together. For
example, if the probability of a single event occurring
randomly is 1 chance in 5 and
the probability of a separate
event occurring is 1 chance in 10, then the probability that
both events will occur together or in sequence is 1 in 5 multiplied by 1 in 10, which yields 1 in 50.

In considering the fact that
several different prophets who lived in separate communities over a span of a 1,000 years made predictions of Christ 500 years before His birth, the odds against these prophecies coming true are simply beyond our wildest comprehension. For example, the chances of one man (Jesus) fulfilling just 8 of
the prophecies attributed to Him are one in 10 to the 17th
power (that’s a number 1 with 17 zeroes).

Consider this: imagine covering the entire state of Texas with silver dollars to a level of two feet deep. The number of silver dollars needed to cover the whole state would be 10 to the 17th power. Mark one silver dollar with an “X” and drop it from an airplane. Then thoroughly stir all the silver dollars all over the state. Then blindfold a man and tell him he can travel wherever he wishes
in the state of Texas. Then
somewhere along the way, he
is to stop and reach down into the two feet of silver dollars and pull up the one silver dollar that has been marked with the “X.” What are the chances of his doing this? The same chance the prophets had of eight of their prophecies being fulfilled in any one man in the future (based on the work of Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman in Science Speaks:
Scientific Proof of the Accuracy of Prophecy and the Bible [Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1963, pg. 101-109].)

The Bible with all its fulfilled
prophecies proves the
existence of God. Through the
law of probability and the
mathematical odds of prophecy being fulfilled, we can know assuredly that there was a divine Designer and Author of the Bible. The same One who brought the universe into existence. “You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?’ If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has
spoken presumptuously” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

Finally, God, the Creator of the
universe and Author of our
salvation tells us, [b]“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).[\b]



[b]Recommended Resource: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be
an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek[\b]

jonbellion:
The christians are always fond of saying that "carnal minds" can never understand the bible.
Well my mind must be be carnal then
2 kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:11
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.(these were jesus' words)
I don't think you need a soothsayer to tell you there is something wrong here
What's your say on this christians
Hopfullandlord, Hahn. Lennycool, jackbizzle, benzics, lepasharon, liberadeus, immorttal, seun, randomperson, teempakguy, SirWere, Akintom
The christian crew

You call that a contradiction?

Study in Context, and you'll see what Jesus meant.

Here's one of my previous posts. It should help answer that.

Talking about John 3:13; it
shouldn't be confusing at all.

Let's see what Jesus meant: Considering the context of
Verse 13, taking it from
verse 10. Jesus was talking
about Himself as Testifying
what He has seen (on the
Earth). Which they also should have seen and therefore, NOT marvel at/disbelieve His teachings. However, He was surprised that they marvelled at/disbelieved His testimony
even tho' He was yet testifying about what should
be obvious to them.

Here's where verse 13
comes in.

In line with that, He said, "If
I testify earthly things to you
(which you already should
know) and you don't believe
me; how much more will you
disbelieve me if I tell you about HEAVENLY things?
Considering the Fact that,
'no man has ever gone to
Heaven and returned to tell
you these things. But
Himself has come down from heaven and has a LIVE
Testimony of it'"

Here are the Verses:

"I assure you, we tell you
what we know and have
seen, and yet you won't
believe our testimony. But if
you don't believe me when I
tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe
if I tell you about heavenly
things? No one has ever
gone to heaven and
returned. But the Son of Man
has come down from heaven." (John 3:11-13 NLT).

Because the people were yet
weak and carnal, they
couldn't take HEAVENLY
Testimonies. That's why
Jesus had to keep some until
the Time comes when they shall be able to bear/take it.
John 16:12-13.

So, Jesus was NOT disputing
that Elijah was taken up to
Heaven. 2Kings 2:11.

Now, even tho' Elijah came
back as John the Baptist
(Matthew 11:12-15), he was
without memory. He didn't
have the memory of his past
life therefore, he didn't know he was Elijah. John
1:19-21.

In studying the Bible,
understand the context of
every verse. That'll help you
understand the true
meaning of that verse.

lepasharon:
Effeminate doesn't mean gay

Quite True!

Well, either Effeminacy or Gay, the Bible condemns both.

For Gay:

Romans 1:26-27, 32 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. . . . . . . Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."

For Effeminacy:

1Corinthians 6:9-10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

tunjilomo:
Please anyone who has answer to my question should answer me politely.

Who created the other parts of the universe and why is the heaven and earth so much emphasized in the religious books.

The Bible gives an answer to that clearly.

John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

ALL THINGS (THE UNIVERSE) WERE CREATED BY HIM (GOD).

akintom:

You will only be certified to be updated in modern intelligence, as against that of the philistinic sense you are immersed in, only if you can grace this page with ONE BENEFIT of religious beliefs (in this instance, Christian religion).

Try check out my post.

www.nairaland.com/3647084/why-did-jesus-die

akintom:

You will only be certified to be updated in modern intelligence, as against that of the philistinic sense you are immersed in, only if you can grace this page with ONE BENEFIT of religious beliefs (in this instance, Christian religion).

One benefit of Christianity is;

No Christ, No Eternal Life for you. John 3:16, 36. 1John 5:11-12.

TheEminentLaity:
I found this beautifully -Oh! my vocabulary fails me- written article that I would like to share. Being a journeying christian myself that recently denounced and renounced fundamentalism (It's in the 'holy book' therefore it is fact/true), increasing becoming appalled by pentecostalism and many evangelicals (Of course, if they knew better they would be different key word: knowledge Prov 4:7; 15:4) and the intellectual docility it appears to encourage in our society, I was struck by almost every paragraph of the article. While it is not enough to move me into atheism, or make me less of an adherent of orthodox spirituality but it challenges every reader to think especially as Africans.

Food for thought: How did an omniscient, omnipresent and loving God that created everyone equally 'forget' to include anything about slavery and genocide in his commandments? Perhaps he considered blacks as lesser humans or he was simply created in the minds of people who saw all the good in slavery and even genocide.

https://www.nairaland.com/3647975/journey-out-christianity-michael-runyan
http://new.exchristian.net/2013/11/how-i-figured-out-christianity-is-not.html

My advice to Bible and God defenders let God and the Bible defend themselves, it is not your duty. History tells of countless horrors perpetrated by God and 'Holy' book defenders. If you want to know about history of the world, read books on history; about man and animals and their sexuality read books on Biology; about money, read books on Finance; about life on earth...; anything other than spirituality that you look for in these 'holy' books would most likely turn you into a narcissist that would see nothing wrong or even good in misfortunes of other human beings that are non-adherents of your religion.

"Today I bend the truth to be kind and I have no regret because I am far surer of what is kind than I am of what is true"

So far, it's a pointless post.

I'll read the article and reply later.

WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO DIE?

Jesus died on the cross to bear sin’s punishment
for believers. Many people have doubted Jesus’ death on the cross and resurrection from the grave, despite historical evidence. Muslims question, “Why would Allah require His prophet Isa to die?”

The Scripture explains that
Jesus Christ died for our sins:
“Christ died for our sins in
accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:3b-4).

Scripture affirms that the
sinless Jesus bled and died on
the cross to pay the
punishment for believing
sinners. Let’s study the
Scriptures, the Bible, to find out why Jesus’ death and
resurrection provide the only
entrance for sinners into
paradise.

THE PUNISHMENT FOR SIN IS DEATH

The Bible says the holy God
created earth and man
perfectly. But Adam and Eve fell to the temptation of Satan and disobeyed God. Ever since Adam’s sin, sin has infected the human race. Each person is guilty: “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).

Sin is not just big things like
murder or blasphemy but also
includes lying, lusting, and
stealing. Even the love of
money or hatred of enemies is sin, according to the Bible. Good works cannot make up
for wrongs against the holy
God. Compared to His holiness, “all our righteous acts are like filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6b).

Having sinned against God, we deserve His punishment. A
judge who pardons lawbreakers isn’t a good judge. Likewise, God will not overlook sin. He pours out His righteous wrath against sinners (Romans 2:1-11). Unbelieving sinners pay for their sin by suffering eternal death in hell: “For the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23a).

THE PROMISE REQUIRED AN INNOCENT DEATH

Although God banished Adam
and Eve from the garden and
the tree of life, He gave them
hope of salvation and paradise. He promised to send the woman’s offspring—Jesus— Who would conquer Satan (Genesis 3:15). Until then, men would sacrifice innocent lambs as a substitute for the punishment they deserved. Sacrificing an animal showed men’s humble
acknowledgement that their sin required death and showed their faith in the future offspring and sacrifice from God—Jesus—Who would bear the believer’s penalty once and for all.

THE PROPHETS FORETOLD JESUS' DEATH

From Adam to Jesus, God sent
prophets to mankind, warning them of sin’s punishment and foretelling the coming Savior. Seven hundred years before Jesus was born, the prophet Isaiah described Him:

“Who has believed what they heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been
revealed? For he grew up
before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or
majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was
despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as
one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our
transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has
laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he
was afflicted, yet he opened
not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he
shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will divide him a
portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the
transgressors; yet he bore the
sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:1-12).

The prophet compared the
coming Savior to a lamb,
slaughtered for the sins of
others.

Centuries later, Jesus fulfilled
Isaiah’s prophecy. Although
Jesus is eternally one with God, God the Father sent His Son to earth (John 3:16). Jesus is the promised offspring of the woman (Genesis 3:15), born in human flesh to the virgin Mary.
God witnessed that Jesus is His own Son (Matthew 17:5). On seeing Jesus, the prophet John the Baptist cried, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29).

Taking the sin of the world as
the sacrificial Lamb of God is
why Jesus had to die. He came to take the punishment for sin -death. Jesus prophesied His own death many times: “And taking the twelve, he said to them, ‘See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written about the Son of Man by the prophets will be
accomplished. For he will be
delivered over to the Gentiles
and will be mocked and
shamefully treated and spit
upon. And after flogging him, they will kill him, and on the
third day he will rise’" (Luke 18:31-33).

GOD SACRIFICED JESUS FOR SIN

During the life of Jesus, crowds thronged around Him for healing and teaching, but the religious leaders scorned Him. They arrested Him and charged Him with blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God (Luke 22:70). Mobs cried out, “Crucify Him!” Soldiers beat, mocked, and crucified Him.

On the cross, Jesus bore the punishment of sin. At His
death, He cried out, “It is
finished” (John 19:30b). Jesus finished paying the
punishment for sin as the
perfect Lamb of God.

As Isaiah prophesied, Jesus
was crucified in between two
criminals and was buried in a
rich man’s tomb. But Jesus
didn’t remain in the grave. As
He prophesied, Jesus rose from the dead, proving His victory over sin and death.

WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO DIE?

Jesus died for believing
sinners. We cannot reach
paradise on our own merit.
Remember, the holy God will
not let sin go unpunished. If we bore our own sins, we would suffer judgment in the flames of hell. But God sacrificed Jesus as the believer’s perfect Substitute.

The Scripture says, “For while
we were still helpless, at the
right time Christ died for the
ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified [made righteous/good] by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation
[restored relationship].

“Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned. . . . So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the
many will be made righteous.
The Law came in so that the
transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 5:6-12; 18-21).

Jesus died to provide the only
way to eternal life. If God is
showing your sin and need of
Jesus, repent, turning from
your sin and own way of trying to please God. You cannot fix yourself. Believing the Bible’s truth about Who Jesus is and what He did, trust in Jesus as Savior from sin and follow Him as the Lord of your life. He will
lead and strengthen you through His Word, the Bible.

By Tim LaHaye