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Tgirl4real: If you can't see the answer in my responses to, then I can't help you. Sorry.

Okay, then. Bye for now.

shdemidemi: You are channelled in one direction and you keep using my explanation to pick your next question, how my last post gave you the feeling that I said statues are blessed is beyond me- The scripture says

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

The only time when God's power is revealed is when we do things according to the gospel of Christ therefore bowing before images is not according to this gospel.. Do you get it?

So far, I have been answering your questions. If you are scared to answer mine, it's okay.

That's common with anti-Catholics all over the world.

Bye for now.

What's wrong with that? I thought you were of the opinion that anybody can interpret the Christian faith any way they please. That's their own interpretation. Why do you declare it "bad?" Who made you a judge or authority over them?

shdemidemi: Don't get carried away with emotions..a book remains a book, the power in the word of God becomes active when it comes in contact with our soul. E.g I have the bible on my iPad as well, that does not make my iPad holy, the power is revealed when I understand what is written as the word of God on the iPad.

Same with everything. Everything remains what they are but the power of God can become active in and through them. E.g Food remains food but when I bless it, God's power can transform it into much more; like medicine to cure sickness etc. A building remains a building but when it is sanctified and dedicated as a house of the Lord, God's power can become active in and through it. Jesus' garment and St Paul's handkerchief remained pieces of cloth but God's power became active through them. Same with images and sacramentals.

shdemidemi: As for you and Israelite, God allowed many rituals for atonement in the old. Many erroneously pick doctrines from those Jewish tradition and all but the fact remains that a transformation happened at the death and resurrection of Christ. You and I as Gentiles were brought into the fold, not to follow the initial Jewish way of doing things but to follow Christ.

So you agree that God's power became active in those images?

Tgirl4real: lol.

I said Christian faith and not Christian denomination faith which the catholic church is one of them.

Whoever told you that Christ's Church had "denominations?"

Christ?

Tgirl4real: The Christian faith is the message of the cross we are talking about here - Christ and Him crucified...

Your different "denominations" have different versions of Christ. E.g Some say that Christ is divine, others say that he is human. Still, others say he is both. Which version of "Christ crucified" should I be defending?

All or one?

Tgirl4real: I have answered you. There is no such thing as Mary being an intercessor in scriptures. We go directly to God through Jesus. Scriptures says we should come boldly to the throne of grace. We need no Mary.

Secondly, I mentioned that your analogy/comparison doesn't follow because Mary isn't the wife of God.

Furthermore, if I were to go by your reasoning (and answer your question directly), I don't need to go to my father through my mother. I am a son, I have a direct access to my father.

Lastly, you seem to be contradicting yourself, if Mary is an intercessor between Jesus and us, where does the Father - Mother - Son analogy come in? Who is the father and the son in this context?

Over to you...

You havent answered my questions.

shdemidemi: I see books as books, I don't worship or bow before any book.

So the Bible and a pornographic magazine have the same value to you?

shdemidemi: Could you please explain the spiritual connection between you and these statues and what guided you to such belief.

The spiritual connection between the Israelites and the Ark of the Covenant.

The spiritual connection between God's people and the bronze serpent.

shdemidemi: I see images of people connected to me as images, nothing more.

Do you also see books written by people you love as books, nothing more?

shdemidemi: From your above statement, are you saying there is a spiritual connection between yourself and the statues?

Yes. Along with all of God's creation.

Tgirl4real: BTW, are you suppose to defend the Catholic faith or the Christian faith?

Another question for you.

I am supposed to defend the Catholic faith because, strictly speaking, Catholicism is Christianity.

If you think that I should be defending the "Christian faith," can you please tell me what you mean by "Christian faith?"

Last time I checked, there were millions of contradictory faiths calling themselves "Christian." Am I supposed to be defending all of them or one of them?

If I should be defending one of them, which one?

My bad! I didnt realize I didnt give you a categorical answer.

"Where does Mary come in?"

She's an intercessor between Jesus and us.

We all are intetcessors for one another, but she's a far more powerful intercessor than you and I.

Now, would you like to answer my questions as directly as I have answered yours?

I'll understand if you dont want to.

shdemidemi: Like I explained earlier, our body members which is part of our flesh has ability to reason, imagine, feel emotions. That is nature connected to the world and to the devil but as Christians we have a righteous nature which is spiritual and different from the natural. We live with a sin nature and a righteous nature.

The question is- are you connected to the images in the flesh or in spirit?

A very broad and ambiguous question.

I consider myself connected to God, his creation and all his children spiritually and physically. And that includes Jesus, Mary and their statues.

How are you connected to the images of people you love?

Tgirl4real: If you can't see my response in my post you quoted up there, then I am sorry, I can't help you.

It's okay. I didnt expect clear honest answers.

Years of defending the Catholic faith has taught me that.

shdemidemi: The statement in red is exactly what my question is.

Isnt that easy to figure out?

Similar to YOUR connection to the images of people you love, respect and honour. Only, in the case of Jesus and his mother, far more love, respect and honour is deserved.

Jehovah's Witnesses!

How many times have they lied about the second coming of Christ?!

You forgot the group that goes to Church because we love God who is the source of our being.

Tgirl4real: Lol

U guys are funny.

We are still on topic. He gave an explanation on what the message of the cross is and I asked questions based on what he said.

We are still on course.

@ Italo,

Does scriptures present Mary in such a manner? As in Mother of Christ - God's wife?

That analogy you gave can't apply cos Mary isn't the wife of God.

Also, is there anywhere in scriptures that suggests Mary intercedes for us or she is an intermediary between us and God.

What you posted up there shows that the message you preach as the gospel of Christ -message if the cross is faulty.

Christ is the ONE and ONLY true way to God. And the message of the cross focuses on him 100%.

In case you didnt notice, let me remind you.

I asked you 4 (FOUR) questions in my previous post.

Why dont you answer them before asking me more questions.

...and when you do, please be as direct as I have been in answering your previous questions.

Thank you.

Tgirl4real: OK.

Where does Mary come in then?

You have direct access to your father, right?

So where does your mother, his mother etc come in then?

They are all capable of interceding or mediating between you and your father, arent they?

Do you see where Mary comes in now?

*notice that it wasnt me who changed the topic of this thread*

Tgirl4real: OK. Good.

Do you get direct access to God through your salvation in Christ Jesus?

Yes.

Tgirl4real: Can you tell us what you teach as the message of the cross?

Christ has said it all...

Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

And we accept it.

Unlike some who would say "it is not my portion."

flourishG: join who? Seriously?

shdemidemi: Coming from a guy that does not know the message/gospel of Christ that leads unto salvation.

God bless you both.

Tgirl4real: No, thanks.

lol

Very well, then.

[quote author=Riba_man]Prudence?!?!?!?
Thats what is destroying a lot of great ideas and institutions in today's world.
I love my church enough to be able to say or point out her problems.[/quote]My brother, prudence does not mean silence.

To "point out" is different from 'exaggerating' the situation...which, I think, is what you did.

Boomark:
Continue laughing till i remember another one.

*Sooo happy. Samson vs hundreds, Boomark vs billions.*

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Very funny.

@ Tgirl4real,

The message of the cross has not been forgotten by the Catholic Church. It's what we are taught day in day out. You might want to join us.

It's only an advice. I dont think you'll take it but I must say it.

Cheers.

alextayo: @nairacam66.....at times i wonder why kids are allowed to comment on sensitive issues. Have you ever seen anybody travel the world or cross the ocean with simple cars. Next time reson like an adult.

Seconded!

Kay 17: ^^

Was the command to kill his son evil?

What do you mean by "evil" and who defines it?

Boomark: ^^@all the catholic put together.

Assuming i start boasting and my head starts swelling like tomorrow no dey, what can any of you do about what i posted about "the perfect Sabbath"? What? Abi una dey fear? Who can humble me?

*sitting majestically*

LMAO!

Tell us the next joke.

bishopjoe02: catholic is the one lying..cos of the record of baptism in the bible are by immersion

italo: So if it is not by immersion, it is not baptism, right?

bishopjoe02: yes

And you werent immersed...meaning you werent baptised. Right?

bishopjoe02: catholic is the one lying..cos of the record of baptism in the bible are by immersion

So if it is not by immersion, it is not baptism, right?

Boomark: how can a dumb post and reply make you dumbfounded? May be there is still a problem in Rome. Are you still waiting to receive what to say from them.

At least when i see you make dumb posts, i correct you with immediately effect.

bishopjoe02: cos d water is nt d baptism, bt my decisn and response i made to d prayers being said. D water is a ritual shwing hw i have b wash of my sins
Just d way Abraham sacrified Isaac wth his decisn bt wthout physically carrying out d act

That means the Catholic Church is not lying when they say you are baptised. Living Faith is the one lying that you are not baptized. Right?

@ Boomark,

I never saw the jargons you wrote there until now.

You made a dumb post...and only you gave a dumb reply...

And you are happy.

[quote author=Riba_man]Clearly, this Argentine man has never heard of Nigerian priests! Dem go fit listen so? They have forgotten the example of the Irish missionaries.[/quote]Be prudent with your words.

There are many many many Nigerian priests who avoid the more expensive things, even when parishioners offer them as gifts.

They are in the majority.