MZLady39:

You really should re-read my comments on the "ritual" thread....

MZLady39:

let this thing go...ok?

Neither here nor there...just to avoid accepting the obvious: rituals are (should be) an integral part of Christianity.

analice107:

Passage please.



But, here is what The Apostle Paul said about asking men about spiritual truths.


And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Galatians:1: 14-17

When The Apostle Paul was converted and got baptised by Aneaniahs, he didn't go to Jerusalem to confer with the Old Apostles, he went straight for the mission he was called into, trusting only the Holy Spirit. He returned to Jerusalem to see Apostle Peter after three years in Arabia.

So, i don't know maybe you can throw more light, am open to learn.

BTW, good to see you.

Was this Paul or someone else?

Gal 2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up in response to a revelation. Then I laid before them (though only in a private meeting with the acknowledged leaders) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure that I was not running, or had not run, in vain.

analice107:

It will have made more sense if you had quoted Acts 15 here let's see if it's not taken out if context.

It was a simple question:

Is that what the early Christians did in Acts 15? Didnt they rather go to the heirarchy of the Church for clarification?

MZLady39:


Brother,
I thank you for helping me with my character development.
I'm itching to "go there" with you.....but that would be unChrist-like.
You really should re-read my comments on the "ritual" thread....
But I know that will hurt your pride.
Brother Wilgrea7 nicely corrected me...although there are other definitions for the word.
However, thanks for assisting me where I may have made an error(s).
I'm open to correction...as the Bible states we should be.
Cause see.....I DON'T know it all just yet.

Sister, you're wrong, as usual. I read your comments and it didnt hurt my pride.

Here us part of what you said:

I would say "no" to rituals being used in Christianity.
It would then become something other than Christianity....

Then in another thread, you stood by your wrong opinion, saying:

I wasn't proven wrong about the rituals. I just chose to cease & desist. I stand by what I said.

Now, you're talking as if you were corrected and took correction.

You keep dancing dubiously from pillar to post because you are resisting the truth.

Which one is it?

Are there supposed to be rituals in Christianity or not?

Ken4Christ:
When God speaks through any man of God, it must be consistent with the teachings of Jesus and his Apostles. They laid the foundation for the Church.

Apostle Paul placed a curse on anyone who preaches any gospel different from what the Apostles preached - Galatians 1:8-9.

Who will decide if the teaching is consistent with the apostles' teaching?

MZLady39:



Brother,
You definitely blow your "own" trumpet...loud & clear.
I'm surprised you don't need earplugs....

I would have been bothered...but your opinions are often wrong.

Like when you said baptism, communion etc are not rituals.

NPComplete:


What does that part in bold even mean? The bible contains scientific inaccuracies, historical inaccuracies and any other form of inaccuracy u can think of. That isn't a problem in itself. It can be chalked up to the creative liberty of its authors. But the problem arises when u try to force it down other people's throats and call it absolute truth

The bible was not written to teach you science or history...as science textbooks are not written to teach you theology or history...and history textbooks are not written to teach you science or theology.

The theological truths of the bible, as explained by the Church are absolute. The Church doesnt impose it on anyone, but rather proposes it to the world.

An example: God exists. That is an absolute truth that we propose to the world. However, you are free to believe that the world and all intelligence in it came from random particles that began to collide against one another. Your business.

God can forgive any sin, including polygamy.

NPComplete:


Nobody is saying u should discard the whole bible. It isn't total garbage. And there are wisdoms still to be gleaned from it as long as we acknowledge it isn't exactly infallible or the written word of God. And there are parts of it that should be dismissed as bunkum.

The bible is mostly just religious prejudice written by people who didn't know better and who thought they were actually doing the work of God. Still, it is better than the Quran. Far better.

There is no problem with the bible. It is people who think the bible is a science textbook that have a problem.

If in my story, I say it rained cats and dogs, and science proves that cats and dogs didnt fall from the sky, does that make my story false? No.

The bible was written to convey theological truths, not scientific facts, even though it does contain some scientific truths.

Hati13:
This kind of thing is not new to the churches. You see, first the churches said Earth is flat. When they were proven by logic that it's rather a circle, they accepted it. They also said, Earth is at the center of the solar system. When they were proven that it's not, they accepted it. There are also others like this that happened to them. Now this happened and more to happen in the future. All people will come to total agreement with science.

The Catholic Church has never had a doctrine that said the earth was flat, or that evolution is false.

The first person to propound the Big Bang Theory is a Catholic Priest, Rev. Fr Georges Lemaitre.

Catholic faith is in perfect harmony with true science.

Amberon:
Thrash!

You have already shown support for the man already so quit the double talk. Listen, there is absolutely no justifiable reason for that. Some women can be trouble really? That statement alone means you have justified his action. You are a potential wife beater for making such utterance. Have you never had an altercation with someone before? Did they break your head? Nonsense!

If you heard the other side, and it turns out the woman was trying to kill the man with a cutlass, then he hit her with a hammer, disarmed her, and sent her out of the house, reported to Police...

...will you still repeat this thing you said?

Ekoishome:
All the evil wife battering cowards are asking for the other side of the story!!! Which stupid side of the story will make a man batter a fellow human being like this!!!?? If this woman died I'm sure he would tell his side of the story from the prison!
If the kitchen/marriage is too hot for you please quit and not practise your demonic tendencies on another soul!!

What if the woman was trying to stab him to death? What if?

My friend, only a fool judges a case after hearing only one side.

Even the court will hear the other side.

Wilgrea7:


they were not Catholic... the rcc gave them those titles... t[b]he early christian father's had varying doctrines themselves[/b]... that's why there were councils set up to check things like that and choose a doctrine that would be the belief of the “church"... those whose views didn't agree with the ones decided were called heresies... at least to the best of my knowledge

Give me one example of an early Christian father (from about 100AD to 300AD that wasnt Catholic...and provide evidence.

Wilgrea7:


I'm sure you get the point... he was talking about the time of Constantine... even if he got the dates wrong... I'm sure you get the drift

If you say so, I take your word for it.

You need to read from the early Church fathers...to see they were Catholic.

MZLady39:

Okay.....
Just wondering, what type of outreach/ministry do you engage in with your church? Do you follow Christ' teaching on that brother?

Should I be blowing my own trumpet? No.

One thing...we listen to the Church on matters of faith and doctrine, as the early Christians did in Acts 15.

Ubenedictus:
he believes there is no consciousness after death he thinks the soul dies, it is a 4th century heresy called thnetopsychism, which proposess that the soul dies, the heresy originated in arabia and was condemned there by a synod and also condemn by constantinople and finally by the 4th lateran council. The arabs who brought d heresy were sabaterians or arians like dralien, so i will mr alien is actually combining many varied heresies.

Na wah.

Wilgrea7:


I'd say C

Bros, Constantine died 337AD.

Are you saying he came back in 397AD, 60years later, to establish the Catholic Church?

Na wah o!

Wilgrea7:
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i asked my Christian brethren this exact same question when i got into an argument with them.. they told me that if i read my bible the holy spirit would reveal the truth to me... i asked “why is it that the interpretation of the holy spirit is always based on denomination?? a Catholic, protestant, Adventist can claim to have the holy spirit yet have varying doctrines.. that says a lot about the holy spirit they claim to have... right now i think the holy spirit Jesus was talking of is entirely different from the kind portrayed in chuches

concerning the topic, i think people are using historical events to dictate what God is saying... e.g tithe meant for the jews, etc... if you have a question concerning a particular topic and want to know what God is saying, you can open a thread and weigh the comments from CHRISTIANS unbiasedly

There is only one Church founded by Jesus Christ. There is nothing like denominations. In the Bible, Jesus gave his Church the Holy Spirit to lead it to all truth. That is his preferred way of teaching the world. Not that individuals cannot hear directly from the Holy Spirit, they can, and do. But there are some possible shortcomings that can have. An individual can misunderstand the message of the Holy Spirit. An individual can hear from his own imagination and think it is the Holy Spirit...etc. That is why you have millions of protestant sects teaching contradictory doctrines today. They abandoned the Church and taught they could arrive at all truth by reading the Bible, fasting and praying. Their 'wisdom' has been shown to be great foolishness.

MZLady39:
Larisoft,
Brother,
Someone asked something like this a few months back.
If you sincerely want to know,
Pray fervently, fast (which is sometimes necessary) & allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to scriptures in the Word that will confirm the answer.
Perhaps your issue is with relying on "man" to answer you.

Is that what the early Christians did in Acts 15? Didnt they rather go to the heirarchy of the Church for clarification?

MZLady39:

I've said this before: not everyone is "led" by the Spirit of God. God wants you to develop a relationship with Him...
Yes...sometimes He will use people to confirm something He has placed in your heart.
But their words need to line up with scripture.
Problem is everyone wants to have a title...and thereby have some sort of "higher value" among men.
Your eyes should ultimately stay focused on Christ...

Who will determine whether their words line up with scripture? You? Or the Church?

analice107:
Have you tried the Holy Spirit?

When St. Paul wanted to be sure if his teaching were true, did he confirm from the Holy Spirit alone...or did he take what he felt the Holy Spirit was telling him to the Church heirarchy for confirmation?

larisoft:
How do we know what God is saying? Whom do we trust?


Most pastors i’ve had dealings with were very selfless, humble, and did their best to be good examples...but then; i also saw the a thing or two that showed me they are just humans. If they are humans, get it right sometimes and do make mistakes sometimes; how do i know they are not making mistakes when they say “God told me”?

Someone said i should cross-reference their statements with the Bible? That was also written by ‘men of God’. How do i know when they are not making mistakes? Since we know a couple of them actually did make mistakes?

In these circumstances, it seems to me that its not just a question of believing in God; but there’s also a high probability one could follow God’s instructions sincerely and religiously and still end up in hell.

God has given his Church the authority to teach his truth (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit) to men.

Trust the Catholic Church. It has the fullness of God's revealed truths.

It is because some Christians believed they can know God's teaching more than the Church, by interpreting the Bible privately, that they now have millions of 'denominations' teaching contradictory doctrines, all claiming to be from One Holy Spirit.

They forget that Jesus never gave us the Bible. He gave us The Church - The Catholic Church. He never gave us denominations. It was the Catholic Church that gave us the Bible, almost 400 years after Christ.

@ Ubenedictus, please what is Doctoralien saying about the Soul, and how does it tell us which protestant sect the early Christians belonged to, since he says they werent Catholic?

rhektor:


Jesus only came to reunite humanity with God by providing the way to the Father

He chose to use The Catholic Church to do this, as his ordinary instrument of salvation.

Matt 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

rhektor:

Yes because you attributes rubbish with the Lord Jesus.

To believe that Jesus founded the millions of contradictory protestant sects...that is attributing RUBBISH to the Lord Jesus.

rhektor:


Nonsense, heressy of the highest order

Because you say so?

DoctorAlien:


The Bible is actually and objectively coherent all over, and that is what we Bible Christians believe.

What is obvious is that some incorrect interpretations which seem to make some portions of the Bible contradict other portions must give way for correct interpretations.

...meaning 'must give way for doctoralien's interpretation.'

DoctorAlien:


"But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother...?" Matt. 12:48

"For whosoever shall do will of my Father which is in Heaven, the same is my ... mother" Matt. 12:50

"...My mother and brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it." Luke 8:21

So, why are you not worshiping all the good women in the NT, and indeed every woman that does GOD's will, because Jesus calls them His mother?

Because they are not God...but we honour all the Saints who do God's will, not just Mary.

Splinz:


You are wasting your time bro. These people's sheer ignorance and blindness of everything biblical, and even lacking of commonsense is really a heartbreak. It is no surprise anyway. All they know is to chant "Hail Mary".

Blame God for that. He is the one who first said "Hail Mary," through his Angel.

Splinz:

Imagine such argument like "Mary didn't live in a tent". What foolishness! For goodness sake, a "tent" is simply a house! (1 Kings 12:16). Are these people saying that Mary their god didn't live in a house?

Not "a tent." Mary wasnt in "THE TENT." Mary, the Mother of God, never lived in the tent in Judges 5.

Ubenedictus:
The thread has finally been derailed

They have to derail it na.

When we have seen that all their claims are based on fictitious sources.

The who brought up the Orthodox Church has seen that it even validates the Catholic Church.

The one who brought up Councils of Carthage and Trent has seen that it proves the Church compiled the Bible and didnt remove anything in 1548.

Mcowubaba:


U say I get small Brain, my own better.

You are a brainwashed Sycophant and an Idol worshipper.

I keep giving you logical explanations, u keep dodging and blabbing up and down.

You keep making incoherent points and arguments.
So all those prayers (hail holy queen, memorare, holy rosary etc) were created by me, it's not in your yeye doctrine, nd no be your yeye Church leaders/founders write the doctrine

All those statues and sculptures of Mary was bought by me, no be your Reverend Fathers and Bishops dey buy them, put for a their various parishes.

You can only keep deluding yourself.
It would be stupid for me to keep arguing with you.
I'm done replying you... Go fuvk yourself

Proverbs 26:4
New Living Translation
Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are
I don't want to become a fool. So bye bye

All those dont mean we worship Mary as God. Just like protestants kneeling to Oyedepo praying to him and buying images of him dont mean they worship him as God.

You cannot force a deity on group of people. Let the people be the one to tell you who they worship.

Was Joshua worshipping the Ark or its images in that last pic?

Are those people in the pics worshipping a book made of paper and ink?

You need to do a course on using your brain.

shadeyinka:


Immaturity in display: can't you discuss intelligently without being offensive?

I'm not being offensive. It is stupidity to say that a Catholic must be a Roman. I'm describing your opinion accurately.

shadeyinka:

You win on this point...technically

However, the early christians were NOT Roman
Therefore, they cannot be Roman Catholic.

If they were Roman, the Epistles would have been written in Latin and Not Greek.

There I rest my case.

Stupidity.

One does not have to be Roman to be Catholic.

Read more.