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bishopjoe02: can we all see how resource we all are, imagine all the churches in the world can unitd as one and we turn dis hatred we have for one other into winning, cn u see how effective the gospel wil b

God's Church never chased anyone away. They leave on their own. If they ever wanted to come back on their own, we are ready to meet them with open arms. Like the prodigal son and his father.

shdemidemi: You said the highlighted , didn't you?

My concern here is, are you interested at winning souls for Christ or winning members to your church?

The Church is Christ's, not mine. So winning members for it is winning members for Christ.

Here is another verse for you to wrestle with.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

It was God who said that through his angel.

But I know you dont believe in God. You believe in your twisted and deluded idea of Paul.

shdemidemi: Jesus did that cos he knew it was all for the good of His course to save humanity.

Why did you tell your brother to do what you think will lead him to destruction?

Because he wont accept the alternative.

(Take note that it is not my view that being baptised in Living Faith river will necessarily destroy him. That is, again, your deluded opinion.)

shdemidemi: Paul's teachings are very much part of the scriptures. So, scriptures was Timothy's guide.

Paul and his teachings, both written and unwritten, were part of the Church. So the Church was Timothy's guide.

shdemidemi: Is that how to show love to your brother? You just told him to do something you feel will lead to damnation.

Yes. Just like Jesus did in John 13:27: As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”

shdemidemi: This guy, how many times do I have to tell you this?

1 Corinthians 11
King James Version (KJV)
11 Be ye followers of me(Paul), even as I also am of Christ.

We are saying the same thing. Paul, not scripture was guide to Timothy.

shdemidemi: Why did you tell him to do that?

Because he wont accept the alternative.

shdemidemi: Lol, you are looking for more people to put under the bondage of your religion.

No! I said he should go and get baptised in his Living Faith river.

shdemidemi: I must have missed it, can you give your own answer. Thanks

I you missed that lengthy post. You are a waste of time and space.

shdemidemi: To the doctrines.. I am still waiting for what your guide to believers is.

We both agree that Paul was guide to Timothy, not scriptures?

Let me get you clear before we move unto other things

bishopjoe02: priesthood is a choice, paul admonish if u knw u cant stay unmarried, marry so as nt to die of lust. Cos evry1 does nt have d same grace. All churches take communion. As 4 d confession members confess their sin to their pastor and seek 4 counselling, bt nt on weekly bases like d catholic

My friend, it seems that you are a helpless case.

An African proverb says "he whom the gods wish to destroy, they will first make deaf."

Denounce your baptism and go and get baptised in your Living Faith river.

Syncan: Yeah, gays whose stand against abortion stopped your mum from flushing you down the drain? Whose works have saved millions of humans discriminated against and abandoned by your ilk from death? gays who gave their lives to save others in the face of injustice?
I guess the apostles were all thieves because Judas stole, yet the Lord revealed hidden truths to them. Well,HE does that, you can take up the fight with HIM.

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shdemidemi: Italo and syncan...please tell us who the guide to believers is, you seem to disagree the scripture should be our guide.

Syncan has answered you very comprehensively.

shdemidemi: Don't misconstrue what I am saying, the bible says everything written aforetime are written for our learning. Paul's epistles can be divided as thus-Galatians is a correction and admonition book
Corinthians is a correctional book too, Romans is a doctritional and instructional book, Thessalonian is on doctrine. Paul instructed Timothy to stick to this.

Stick to what?

bishopjoe02: can u tell me some

You already know one: their views on baptism. Others are Holy Communion, communion of sins, confession, priesthood, celibacy and many many more.

illicit: u mean if its God, u will kill ur mum if he ask u to? 2nd question hw will u even knw its God, does he talk to u?

To your two questions: Yes!

shdemidemi: Paul was the guide to every believer cos he got this revelation directly from Christ , Timothy would not say anything new or different from what Paul had said.

Timothy's guide was not the Book. It was Paul. That's what you're saying. It's okay.

shdemidemi: You are deviating, Paul did not tell Timothy to teach the Old Testament - no he did not. He told him to teach what he(Paul) taught him.

So Paul was the guide to Timothy then, not scripture. Why didnt Paul tell Timothy to teach what is in scripture?

See how you contradict your own false doctrine.

And Paul says "all scripture (old testament)...is profitable" NOT "sufficient."

Where did he get the teaching that the book is his guide to Christian teaching?

flourishG: okay.All scriptures, dats is each verse by verse is given by inspiration of God n it is profitable for DOCTRINE,CORRECTIONS etc.dat is I can use one verse of scripture to teach a doctrine but it must not contradict another scripture.every verse then speaks for itself without going against d other.will u still call that a private interpretation according to yr definition of private interpretation?

Yes. Because what you are doing is using your private interpretaion of one verse to compare to your private interpretation of another verse and coming to your private conclusions.

Is that not so?

bishopjoe02: i dont knw were u r getting ur idea frm, apart frm pugatory and mary there is no oda diff btw d catholic nd pentecostal, just as apostle paul was called to preach d gospel to gentile dat hw HE have raise diff men to spread d gospel 2

Are these not enough to show that they are not one Church?

One says devotion to Mary will bring to Jesus, the other says it will take you to hell.

How can one Church have two different, contradictory faiths?

Bedides, there are tonnes of differences in their doctrines, not just Mary and purgatory.

illicit: what if its not God u ve been hearin all dis while? What if u were just hallcinating?

If it is only hallucination and not God, I wont obey what I heard.

bishopjoe02: i guess such council stil exit, ie CAN, bt i dont knw hw effective they r.
Paul and Banarbas have issues n choosing companiön nt faith anyway.

The last of such councils was Vatican II Council.

JesusisLord85: I have seen you operate, and all someone needs to do is look at your posts to see I am righ: You identify a statement that is at odds with your opinion. You then ask what they mean by that. They explain. You respond. They disagree. You tell them they are not reading properly. They call you an i diot. You give them a verse out of context, and insult them back, and from there it spirals. Perhaps that is how they conduct bible study where you come from.

I thought I was the only one who noticed this.

shdemidemi: Unfortunately your so called divine family is now controlled by the son of perdition with seducing spirit and false doctrines that has no precedence in the scripture. The four walls of a building is never the church, don't be fooled.

Fortunately, that is only your deluded opinion.

Even Bishopjoe thinks so.

shdemidemi: You are a victim of ignorance..Keep talking, someday you`ll say something intelligent.

Your opinion.

bishopjoe02: Im nt d1 wth a problem, its d church its like two brothers fighting, d church is one weda pentecostal or catholic, dey jst nid to recognise their role n d fullfillment of d gospel and den work hand in hand until d coming of christ

If Catholics and Pentecostals are both part of the one Church that Jesus founded, would they preach opposite doctrines?

Will one say there is purgatory and the other say there is no purgatory?

You dont get it. It is not like two brothers fighting. It is like a little child disagreeing with his family about things they taught him, disowning them and going off on his own.

The only difference is that a human family can even teach you the wrong thing, the divine family cannot.

Pope John XXIII's case has been "pending" for 50 years. Long before Tansi's.

flourishG: what's private interpretation?

Each individual or group interpreting scripture the way they like.

What do you think about it?

shdemidemi: Did he say that to you ? Speak for yourself liar..

I am not the one who lied that there are two different gospels.

bishopjoe02: it happen to me too, im stil thnking weda to baptise again, dats y i creatd d thread

Why are you confused? Your new-found shop has told you that your Catholic baptism is not valid, meaning you arent baptized. The Catholic Church says you are, and you put on Christ at your infant baptism. One of the two is lying. If the Catholic Church is the liar, why are you hesitating to obey your new shop? If your new shop is the liar, why do you entrust your soul to liars?