luckyCO:

Your church managed and written history for many years because they are the world power.
So ask them to tell you the truth but if then fail ask Holy Ghost you will surpised what you will hear.
If I give you date your people may have changed it and you in turn call me a lie again.

Most of my submission I use your quotes and statements and you have not denied any.

Another set of lies. Mr "Christian," working for satan, the father of lies.

luckyCO:


You sometimes failed to understand my line of thought.
See it here and clear.
The same Church that was formed in the upper room was the same Catholic church(universal spiritual body of christ aka Christians) that got to rome,when they finished killing all the apostles and the direct followers,devil mixed up with the church and believers are no longer free to worship God hense dark age.

The same Catholic Church compiled the bible. What does pagan rome knew about God talk more of compiling or canonizing the bible!

When did they compile the bible?

And who and who were involved?

luckyCO:

The same Catholic Church travelled to USA,in 1906,the same Catholic church gathered and cried to God to revive the church and He did. The act gave birth to Catholic carismatic renewal of rcc which you are a member, Efac in anglican, and pentecostals etc today.
We can see Gods power again in full force in the church.
The same Catholic Church will stride everything to live their life as Christ wants it.
That same Catholic Church are few because they are most persecuted amonsgt Christian community so people dont like them.
They also seem controversal because they listen to Christ only.

The same Catholic Church will rapture and pope will take over.

I believe it is clear now.

If Catholic Charismatic Renewal, Efac and Pentecostals are the true Church that Christ built, why do they preach thousands of contradictory doctrines?

Now avoid my questions and tell more lies.

1,2,3...Go!

luckyCO:


Sorry am typing with my phone so I might not be able to get your quotes and answer them.

Your has church every date in their possesion.
1. They know when Jesus was born but they tell us it is 25th dec.

2. They know what is Holy communion but they choose to worship it.

3. They know that there is nothing like pope,cardinal,archibishop,bishop,mosignor,rev fr hiracy in Church but they added it.

4. They know whom Mary is but they choose to include her as a medium to get to Christ.

5. Popes know that Christ sent apostle Paul to us but they choose to hold on to peter succession.

6. They know Christ is our mediator but they brought man in between.

7. When christians started bearing titles like His holiness,his eminence,his grace,his lordship etc.

No need you ask me dates,ask your priest he will provide dates when all these happen them you will know when rome ask Holy Ghost out of the church and devil took over.

God doesnt force people like that,for if He does He will not be right to Judge you.

If you believe that there is dark ages,you might ask what caused it.

Sorry semantics is not bad but if see people leave the object of discussion and start argueing about mistakes in typing and dates and all of that. Maybe I used incorrect piece. Thanks for caling my atentionto that.

Still no answer...just more lies.

luckyCO:

Of course you Know your books on pope's history and life says so.

Who painted devil black and Jesus white? We will find out later.

I know one day God will do something people will have access to roman library such that people will know the conspiracy that took place during dark ages by your popes/cardinals.

Still no proof of anything.

PastorAIO:



You haven't responded to me on the criteria used and how that applies to books like Esther. But that's okay. Let's leave that now.

Maybe you can answer this instead: Who are the people who applied the criteria for selecting the bible? Where was it done and when?

Analice107 just says things she cant defend.

This is someone that claimed she is the church. And I asked her: "are you the pillar and foundation of the truth (as 1Tim3:15 described the Church)?"

Till now, no answer. Instead, she started lying that Catholics said "Peter is the Church." We asked her to show where any Catholic said so. Till now, no answer.

So based on this, dont expect an answer. Expect another lie.

Culin:


I know you think you're smart or funny but you're not. Why i haven't gotten married is because I'm 21 with more important things to do unlike some people.

No wonder.

I imagine Tonto Dike or Mercy Aigbe at 21 saying things like "beat me and you die" instead of working on their character.

Culin:


From the way you sound, there's a 99% chance you're a woman beater

Ok...I am a woman killer sef.

That's how they never listen...always talking...until they turn their homes into a warfront...then start crying.

Please continue...

MarieSucre:


Your second line is intense foolishness, why should the man be allowed himself to be beheaded, he must defend himself. Why should he now die just to prove he is a man. If she shouts at him, he should shout at her with equal force, If she hits him, then he should defend himself with equal force, not attack but defend!

But that what many people tell us...that no matter what she does, only a beast would hit a woman.

MarieSucre:

Your first line is also intense foolishness. Soldiers can just sit down and start beating someone who barely did them anything. Police sometimes just arrest people for walking along the road, bosses get angry unjustifiably and either yell or fire people. But somehow when it comes to a husband and domestic violence, people always assume that he is a rational being. If all the above listed people could be husbands can behave irrationally at work, why can't they also behave irrationally at home. Stop making excuses for domestic violence Biko. Even she angered him with words, does that mean he should beat her, punch her, push her against the wall and tear her clothes. The crime must be equal to the punishment. Does he beat his boss at work for annoying, does he beat police on the road, does he beat Agbero , does he beat nurses in the hospital, does he beat secretaries at corporate buildings? Afterall all this people also annoy one during the course of the day.

I actually said: she did nothing wrong. The man just woke up and started punching her.

Where did i offend you, madam?

MarieSucre:


It's true, you men encounter worse provocations outside sef, but you dey always humble yourselves.
Anyway our people say, na two tree wey near each other na im make monkey feel say im get power.

There is no provocation worse than that coming from your own wife, in your own home, round the clock.

Culin:
And some fools will still insult ladies that don't want to get married. I pity the man that will raise his hands on me. You just signed your death warrant.

Babe, calm down o.

From the way you are already insulting people who oppose your views here, if you take this into your marriage, and your husband is not a saint, you have a 99% chance of being beaten like this o.

He will beat you, after that you will cook for him, and he will still sleep with you that night.

Nothing you go do.

(This is not my prayer for you o. I wish you peace in marriage. This peace is worked at by both parties)

LesbianBoy:
What did she do? I don't think a man will just wake up and beat his wife!

Meanwhile.....


Her face still fresh sef.....E no beat am well

She did nothing wrong. The man just woke up one morning and started punching her.

Besides, even if she were chasing him with a cutlass, a man should never hit a woman. He should rather wait and be beheaded. That's what gentlemen do.

sinaj:
Amen oooo


Every married woman ought to be prayerful o! Coz most times it's beyond the physical.

Not just pray o...

Pray and do all she can to make her home a comfort zone.

Some women can do night vigil everyday, yet they will not agree that the man has authority over the home.

Such prayer is rendered almost useless.

It is like praying to pass an exam, then you dont read, you dont even take writing materials (if its a paper test).

mzpetit:
some guys/men are on here bragging that they've never beaten their girlfriend/wife.y'all know yourselves.Say No to #DomesticViolence.Only irresponsible men beat their 'significant other'. Grow up please.I'm in my house,come and beat me.

Say no to #DomesticViolence: physical, emotional, verbal violence. They are just as bad as one another.

Dazzle86:


You are an idiot. There is no excuse for beating up a woman. Even if you find another man on top of her.
Funnily cowards like you, encounter worse provocation from a fellow man outside but won't raise a finger out of fear.

Unless the woman is your husband's side chick and slips into your home in your absence to give your husband some pleasure (I dont pray this happens to you). Then, you can beat a woman to stupor.

Ubenedictus:
oga italo, for d other thread abeg give d lady small space abeg.

reduce d gear.

Ok. Small space given.

How body, bro?

Good evening, friends.

MZLady39:

Brother,
I have been extremely sincere....and since you are NOT God, contrary to "your" own popular belief about yourself,

Another example of insincerity. I do not believe I am God and have never said so.

MZLady39:

you wouldn't know my heart...not even in the least sense.
I agreed with him because 1.) I have heard of the woman and have definitely viewed the ex-Jesuit's testimony. I was convinced about the guy. I haven't seen any evidence that the two were fake. If it's proven that they were, then I would humbly accept defeat on that issue.
Am I entitled to have my own beliefs, just like all these folks here in the Religion section and all over NL? Just like you?

Yes, you are entitled to believing anything you like. E.g the existence of unicorns, ex-nun Mary Ann Collins, ex-Jesuit priest Rivera etc.

I am also entitled to point out the folly of such belief.

MZLady39:

It's not your job to convert folks to Catholicism through force and pride.....just put the info out, pray for the Holy Spirit to work on hearts, and minister to your fellow man like so many Catholics do.
The way you are "stumping" & "campaigning" for the Catholic church & its "superiority" is the way you should be ministering to souls....for Christ.

This is the bias I am talking about. When have you ever said this to those who spread lies about Catholicism? Show me.

And who told you I dont minister to souls for Christ even here on nairaland? However, defending the true faith is an integral part of ministering to souls. From the topic of this thread cant you see that people are confused about who Christ is and what he truly wants? So they are asking you: which Christ? Many here have heard about Christ, many versions of him. It is my job to show them the true version.

MZLady39:

Who have you converted by arguing left and right?

You want their names?

Another example of bias. When have you ever asked antiCatholics this question? Show me.

MZLady39:

You have alleged "historical" & scriptural knowledge down, but what about the practical part....that heart change that translates into treating one's fellow man as Christ would?

Ok, tell me how Christ treated the bias and hypocritical Pharisees and Scribes. Let me treat you like that.

Dont you know that telling someone the truth, even when they insult you, is a great act of love?

MZLady39:

Your delivery needs surgery.

My work is not to pamper you. It is to tell you the truth, even if the truth makes you upset.

MZLady39:

I apologized in the other post in here for calling you insane & weird. It was wrong on my behalf.

Yes, I saw your apology to Ubenedictus...and I see your apology now. It is nice of you. But know that I never felt offended. I just felt pity for you...that you emulate the great hypocrites of the new testament who would rather call Jesus "beelzebub" "insane" than accept the truth.

MZLady39:

Brother, I however, say this again with love (disagree all you want)....but you need to surrender those faults to Christ...let Him change your heart....and ultimately understand what Christianity is supposed to be about

Which faults? What is Christianity about? Seeing the truth and pretending not to see it? What exactly did I do wrong? Did I call you "insane?"

analice107:

It's obvious you don't know the Criteria used in deciding which book gets included or removed.

The Bible is about Christ, from Genesis to revelation, and any book which doesn't forecast that, gets kept back.

The books you guys keep shouting about says nothing about the forthcoming of the Messiah.

If you dont know, ask or keep quiet. Stop proclaiming in ignorance publicly.

The books that the Catholic Church talked about Christ, just like the ones that were chosen to be in the bible.

analice107:

Italo really? Biko i don't have time for this senseless arguments. Believe what you want, we shall meet the Lord by and by. Am looking into the Scriptures and trying my best to be a Christian helped by the Holy Spirit. Do whatever you can for yourself. bye.

Scriptures chosen by the Catholic Church.

analice107:

My dear, the RCC never gave us the Bible. You can't publish another persons work posthumously and then claim authorship of the work.

The Bible was in use long before the RCC saw the light of day.

Show us one person who used the bible before the Catholic Church canonized it.

MZLady39:



Good for you brother!! !!
You guys never fail to amaze me!!
With all due respect, you guys are insane!!!
I've never met such "insane" & "weird" Christian guys in my life.
Don't worry....it's not just you two that are creepy.
Just won't let a discussion die...& must win an argument.
It's got to be you guys' way or no way.
Since it'll make you guys feel better...here I go.
"You masters are correct!" "You win!" LOL!
Well let me stay in the ditch...& bury me
Blessings to you guys....

I am insane and weird because I am pointing out your lack of sincerity in dealing with your wrong claims.

But when doctoralien quotes lies from non-existent ex-nun and non-existent ex-priest to defame Catholicism, you're his biggest cheerleader.

Calling black white...and calling white black.

analice107:

Are these people even sane? Why do they keep rehearsing 'The Catholic Church gave us the Bible?'. Chinua Achibe is dead, If he wrote a book which he didn't publish before he died, and i pick it up and publish, will i become the author of that book?

What nonsense is this sef? The catholic Church compiled the Bible, COMPILED, that's what she did, compiled different scrolls and made it into one book, how does that imply that she wrote the Bible?

Weren't the early Christians using the Bible before the Catholic Church was formed in 4 Century AD?

Where did the early Christians use the Bible? And any proof that the Catholic Church was formed in the 4th century?

analice107:


Was Paul a Catholic? I don tire for these people abeg.

Yes.

analice107:

hmmm

"Hmmm" has become your answer to "are you the pillar and foundation of the truth in 1Tim3:15?"

analice107:

Italo, you need to change. Since i met you in NL your are still the same using invectives when it's very unnecessary.

The fourteen years that Paul is talking about who did he confer with, before the circumcision matter got heated up?
The Holy Spirit alone.

For Fourteen years, Paul depended on the Holy Spirit entirely for revelations and guidance in his ministry. Italo use your head, Paul didn't go to Jerusalem becos he wasn't sure what the Holy Spirit's stance in the matter was, it was to satisfy those who where called the circumcision and it was becos of Timothy a none Jew whom he carried about.

Calm down and treat the scriptures within Context.

Gal 2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up in response to a revelation. Then I laid before them (though only in a private meeting with the acknowledged leaders) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure that I was not running, or had not run, in vain.


So I should disregard Paul's reason in bold...and take yours in bold?

analice107:

E never reach personal insults o. Address the issue not insulting me.


U Catholics believe that Peter was the rock upon which The Master build the Church right? And i say no, It was the revelation which Peter had of the Master that the church was build upon.

No one is truly a Christian without having a revelation of who Christ is and anyone who has that revelation can never turn his back on Christ.

Now, i went on to ask you Catholics this, If you insist that Peter was the rock which the church is build on, because the Master declared what he said, would you also say, Peter was Satan? The Master called him by name commanded him to get behind him 'Satan.

Pls stay within the confines of this discourse, do not use insults here.

So that when I answer and debunk you again, you'll start using "Peter the Church" that nobody said, as a flimsy deviation.

rhektor:



Ok, which of the early church fathers told you Peter was a pope? Quote one please.

"And he says to him again after the resurrection, 'Feed my sheep.' It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church's) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided." Cyprian, The Unity of the Church, 4-5 (A.D. 251-256).

felixomor:


Have u heard of the bereans Christians?

Yes.

Have you heard of the Council in Jerusalem?

analice107:

So, Peter the Church, the custodian of the Keys if heaven was also an adversary?

I think its safe to assume you're not normal.

Where did anyone say Peter was the Church.

Is it that when you're debunked, rather than keep quiet, you start to argue against your own silly made-up opinions?

analice107:

Shd the Church hierarchy replace God? Men and their philosophies, Men and their Polarizing shd take preeminence in spiritual matters when the Author of the Gospel is available?


Well, Christians take matters to God, those who follow the traditions of men, take their matters to men.

So Paul was not a Christian, since he took the matter to Church leaders?

analice107:

See what i said about taking Scriptures out of context?

What was the issue at hand here? Circumcision.

Shd the Gentiles be circumcised before they are known and received as believers? This was a big issue, although Paul had the Holy Spirit's conviction, but becos he was particularly taking Timothy a Greek with him to Jerusalem, he needed to present the matter to others.
God cab accept you yet men can reject you.

Paul didn't leave taking matters to God and took them to Men. God hates it.

Gal 2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up in response to a revelation. Then I laid before them (though only in a private meeting with the acknowledged leaders) the gospel that I proclaim among the Gentiles, in order to make sure that I was not running, or had not run, in vain.

Paul gave his reason in bold. You manufactured your own reason on the altar of lies.

analice107:

Dearest Italo.
I can see that only Catholics holds strongly to Peter being the Church referred to by Jesus in Matt 16:18, that is because of their Pope.

When they have been debunked, they start to play dumb. Where did I or any Catholic ever say Peter is the Church?

analice107:

Now this is what The Master meant there. Peter had a revelation of what and who Christ is, and The Master said, upon 'That' revelation He 'The Master shall build his Church and no gate of hell shall prevail against that revelation.

Continue na...

...And in verse 19, Jesus said 'I will give that revelation the keys of the kingdom abi?

Nonsense.

If you believe Peter was the Church, (which is still okay, because Peter was an individual light carrier), you must of necessity believe that Peter is satan.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Matthew:16:23


The Master turned to Peter and said, Get thee behind me satan. Peter became Satan now, now now?

Was Peter who just got conferred with the Title of the Pope according to you, all of a sudden became Satan?

Hmmmm, The Master wasn't referring to Peter personally in both verses.

If only you'd understand how the Master responds to issues...

You're just saying nonsense. I asked you: are you the pillar and foundation of the truth in 1Tim3:15?

analice107:

I hope you realize that the Church is not a building or a crowd? The church is an individual. The Church is a revelation an individual has about the Lordship of Jesus.

When the Holy Spirit was given, He came on individuals specifically. He indwells people, talks to people who come together to form an assembly. When you keep mentioning " Church" you make it sound as though it's an entity, it's not. The Gathering called the Catholic Church or Living Faith, does not have the Holy Spirit, people inside these places are the carriers of the Holy Spirit.

Jesu said, "When two or three people (who are the carriers of his presence) are gathered in his name, he is present with them", that is the Church.

The Cburch is a Greek word 'Ecclesia", meaning the "CALLED OUT ONES", People who are called out for a purpose, to be different.

It is not the gathering but the People carrying his presence. And, the gathering is not called a church becos of how many years he has been around, it is upholding the truth as taught by the Master.

I am a Church, and you are a Church if you carry Him in you.

Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church (singular, not "churches," which is plural), and the gates of Hades will not overcome it (singular, not "them," which is plural.)

You see that your own churches (billions of individuals) is different the One True Church built by Jesus which is the Catholic Church we are talking about.

Hehehe.

1Tim 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.


Are you the pillar and foundation of the truth?

Please drop that "I am the Church" nonsense, for the good of your soul and others.