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@ iice

Even me, I can't resist a chuckle each time I recount the ordeal now. But I assure you, it wasn't funny at all during the period. I experienced a whole spectrum of emotions; excitement, anticipation, fear, shame, anger, frustration, desperation, defeat, resignation, indignation, and when I thought all was lost, elation (when the babe decided to bail me out)

So, how about you. What was your 1st experience like?

Mine was funny and dramatic. I was 15, just finished WAEC, came to the village from Boarding School. My friends who were stil in Forms 3 & 4 were all Day Students (kai, Day Students quick spoil) all had babes. Noticing that I, who was respected because of my higher education level, had none, they arranged a local beauty who had been particularly difficult, as  befitting of my high status for me! Not knowing I was a complete novice in the business.

Now, as a "big boy" from town, I didn't own up, but pretended along. On the D-day, I was asked to stay at their backyard while she was called out of the house toi meet me. Meanwhile, just like the way I prepared for exams, I'd rehearsed my punch line so freequently that I crammed them for recital! And when I heard their footsteps, I bolted!

Later, my disappointed friends came to our house to express their anger, but I lied that I had to hurried come home to use the toilet. Excuse accepted, a make-up session scheduled for the next day. Wahala!

Next day's evening everything was set as previously, only this time, 2 guys were stationed with me while the arranger fetched the girl. This tactic of theirs made me shiver more, as it heaped more pressure on me. And when the babe arrived, they introduced us, and left, but not far enough, just the other side of the corner of the house within an earshot, eavesdropping and whispering among themselves. That was the final straw; I totally blanked out, forgetting all my rehearsed lines - not one word!

The babe, who perhaps was more interested than I was, kept urging me to speak up! After like eternity of silence, mark you I was starring on the floor all along, just walked away with a long drawn hiss "mchewwwwwww"

My guys erupted into bouts of laughter. Eventually I confessed my inexperience to them, and they advised that I should "shack well well" (booze) next time.

A week after, everything went according to plans. Here was I, very high & overconfident on booze. When she arrived, she rested her back on the wall and asked "what again this time?" As I opened my mouth to reel out the magic words, she covered her nose and asked me to step backwards because I reeked of alcohol! I obeyed. But as I wanted to pose by leaning with my elbow on the wall beside her, being drunk, I misjudged the distance and fell flat at her feet!!!

Luckily, 2 factors worked in my favour, the "arranger" is her cousin, otherwise he might have converted for himself beacause as go-between, he'd done 80% of the job. Secondly, the babe liked me very much. Eventually, that was all I did to earn her sending words to me that she'd "heard"!!!

And I, was a proud brand newest boyfriend in town!

Once upon a short time ago, when there were no cellphones, SMS,no PCs, no laptops, no e-mails or chats, no Facebook, no Nairaland etc Toasting was a major challenge, consequently, it was developed to a level of arts & science.

There were 3 modes of expressing amourous intentions between guys & babesm Namely;
1. Direct Method - boy meets girl face-to-face and spins yarns. Usually difficult to 1st timers
2. Semidirect Method - boy sends someone close to girl to her as a go-between to express boy's love. Usually open to betrayals.
3. Indirect Method - boy writes beautifully worded letter, with best handwritting, to girl. Usually risky, easily opened to exposure or discovery by unwanted persons, especially, babe's parents!

Due to this impasse, guys attempting to toast (woo) babes for the very 1st time faced serious dilemma, and uphill tasks.

I'm curious, how did your 1st experience at toasting, or being toasted go?

@ POSTER;

Alphazee, apparently it's either you do not know the meaning of QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT, or you mischievously ignored the effect, but unfortunately to your own detriment, as all you have exhibited is that you have a very dirty mind, all in attempt to prove a point there isn't!

One wonders how laboriously you have toiled to fish out words you obviously consider erotic, oblivious of the fact that the word of God is a double edged sword. Depending on your inclination, it may serve as your rock of salvation, or your stumbling stone. The choice is yours, and it depends on your motive for coming to our God.

Remember, Judas Iscariot heard the same words as the other Apostles, even shared the same experiences with them, yet he got damnation instead of eternal life, all because of his frame of mind, alias MOTIVE!

In case you need an illustration of what quoting out of context means, consider this:

SENTENCE: "The Bible says a fool says in his mind; there is no God"

QUOTE 1: "The Bible says, there is no God"

QUOTE 2: I read it in the Bible where it says ", there is no God"

ALPHAZEE, RE-CHECK ON YOUR MOTIVE, AND YOU WILL SEE YOUR OWN PICTURE ON THE MIRROR OF GOD'S WORD!

CORRECTION PLEASE: I REPEATED STAGEs 3 & 4 TWICE WHICH DID NOT LET ME SHOW STAGES 5 & 6! PARDONEZ MOI!


STAGE 3

I now have 10,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N100,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm now very much richer than each of them, 1,000 times & over.


STAGE 4 - WITH A FEW BRANCHES

I now have 100,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N1,000,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm stupendously richer than each of them, 100,000 times & over!


STAGE 5 - WITH MANY BRANCHES

I now have 1,000,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N10,000,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm stupendously richer than each of them, 1,000,000 times & over!!


STAGE 6 - WITH NUMEROUS BRANCHES EVERYWHERE

I now have 10,000,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N100,000,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm stinkingly and obscenely richer than each of them, 10,000,000 times & over!!!




DON'T FORGET: THE FIGURES ARE IN (K) i.e 1,000s, so here are my conservatively estimated tax free monthly income in Naira:

STAGE 1: N100,000

STAGE 2: N1,000,000

STAGE 3: N10,000,000

STAGE 4: N100,000,000

STAGE 5: N1,000,000,000 (1 Billion Naira per month!)

STAGE 6: N10,000,000,000 (10 Billion Naira per month!)

HOW MANY STATE GOVERNMENTS CAN GENERATE THAT EVERY MONTH?

AGAIN, I SAY: NNA MEEEENNNNNNNN, SEE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, WHY WILL I NOT WANT TO FLOAT MORE THAN AN AIRLINE, TV STATION(s) & FAST FOOD OUTLETS? IF NA YOU NKO?

CAN SOMEONE SEE WHY EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE HIS OWN CHURCH/MINISTRY?

NNA MEEEENNNNNNNN, SEE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's consider simple arithmetics:

STAGE 1

I'm a pastor, and have 10 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, tithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N100K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm marginally richer than each of them.

STAGE 2

I now have 100 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N1,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm considerably richer than each of them more than ten times over.

STAGE 2

I now have 1,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N10,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm now much richer than each of them, 100 times and over.

STAGE 3

I now have 10,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N100,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm now very much richer than each of them, 1,000 times & over.


STAGE 3 - WITH A FEW BRANCHES

I now have 100,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N1,000,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm stupendously richer than each of them, 100,000 times & over!


STAGE 4 - WITH MANY BRANCHES

I now have 1,000,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N10,000,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm stupendously richer than each of them, 1,000,000 times & over!!


STAGE 4 - WITH NUMEROUS BRANCHES EVERYWHERE

I now have 10,000,000 people in my congregation, each of them earning N100K per month. I tax (sorry, thithe) them all @ 10%, our monthly income is;

Me: N100,000,000K

Each of them: N90K

Result, I'm stinkingly and obscenely richer than each of them, 10,000,000 times & over!!!


WE ALL KNOW THAT THE INCOME OF THE NICHE (SORRY, TARGET MEMBERS, WHO ARE YOUNG & MIDDLE AGED EXECUTIVES ARE IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN N100K PER MONTH, USUALLY BTW N100K - N1M PER MONTH)

NOW DO THE CALCULATIONS, IF YOU CAN'T JUST IMAGINE HOW MUCH IT WILL BE IF MULTIPLIED BY 2 TO 5!

MEANWHILE, TITHES INCOME ARE DISTINCT FROM. OFFERINGS, SPECIAL OFFERINGS, VOWS, PLEDGES, SPECIAL DONATIONS, E.T.C WHICH ARE AT MY WIFE & I'S DISPOSAL.


I FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT EVEN V.A.T IS @ 5%. COMPARE & CONTRAST.

@ modele2:


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Re: Lovemaking After Traditional Wedding Only: Is This Fornication?
« #237 on: January 21, 2008, 04:34 PM »

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But for a chChristianho should take christianity(GOD) first, i am supprised that the trad marriage would be sufficent for such people.

Why do brides on their wedding days even after staying with the man for some time after the traditional weddings go home and come from their parents or guardians home, it tells us what should be right, we should not let our passions becloud our judgement. Truth is never coloured, it is always objective.


1. As a christian, can you justify your "surprise that the trad marriage would be sufficient for such people" with scriptural materials? I will give you all of my venextalary if you can!

2. QUESTION: Why do brides on their wedding days even after staying with the man for some time after the traditional weddings go home and come from their parents or guardians home (to church venues of white wedding)?

ANSWER: I wonder! They do not need to in the first place. Don't you remember? That is the bone of contention in this thread. Church/white weddings are unnecessary, and BLATANTLY UNBIBLICAL. People do it because it was imposed by the Oyinbos, and over time, has become a glamorous tradition of men (not of GOD)

3. YOUR QUOTE: ", it tells us what should be right, we should not let our passions becloud our judgement. Truth is never coloured, it is always objective"

RESPONSE: What is the valid requirement as far as marriage is concerned, and what is the truth about weddings? If you can answer this simple question, then you have "what should be right"! But expectedly, I'm glad but not surprised that you sounded very pensive and speculative about it (i.e what is right). But I tell you; Unlike your conviction, it's not a guess work at all that the right thing for marriage has no church or pastoral/priestly ingridients in the condiments. simply put, they are as I've always stated, and are 100% fulfilled by traditional wedding.

It does not matter how long or well you do a thing, or how popular it becomes (even if the whole world is now doing it) it does not make it right. GOD will not convert it to HIS standard by the sheer popularity of the practice or the magnitude of the people now involved. NO, NEVER!

As far as religion (for us Christians) is concerned in validity of marriage, there is justifiably NONE. Except of course, thanksgiving on a subsequent worship day(s). That is where GOD expects any church/pastoral input. However, this does not mean that you can't show your appreciation to GOD in other way or place outside the church anyway.

4. YOUR QUOTE: "Truth is never coloured, it is always objective"

RESPONSE: Thank GOD you said this, and I agree in totality with you. But mind you truth is never shrouded in ignorance. And to be objective, you have to be completely factual. Incidentally, pro-church wedding activists like you have only given us assumptions supported by inductive arguments which so far have been nothing but SUBJECTIVE.

I sympathise with you guys because it is actually difficult to come to terms with the fact that what you have grown up to know, that you are so used to (believe), enjoy, have done, or about to do, is afterall unnecessary, and an exercise in futility. Except a man/woman with a very high dose of humility, it is hard to accept these staggering revelations!

But in the final analysis, truth is bitter!

@ malbriel: Please sound it more loudly for the pro-religion marriage activist. God bless you!


@ yemivictor: The village dibia, or any other religious leader (irrespective of the belief or sect) DO NOT HAVE A ROLE in marriage, just like the pastors, priests et al, ideally, only the families, witnesses, and the couple do. Why do you keep making the same fallacious assumption of imposing religion into the purely social affair, and believing that it should be right!

If it was true that priestly blessings automatically translated to GOD's blessing during marriage ceremonies, then none of the weddings conducted by men of GOD should ever have crashed, or go childless, and all conducted outside the church should not have prospered. For I strongly believe that nothing that my GOD blesses can go wrong.

Therefore, it goes a long way to show that seeking priestly benediction during weddings is just an exercise in futility, because God cannot be cajoled or made a "rubber stamp" authority, or be made to repeat himself in re-blessing a couple he has already accepted and blessed during the traditional wedding, just to please attention/fun/fame seeking people? NEVER.

@ yemivictor:

Quote from: shockreaction on January 17, 2008, 02:21 PM
A marriage doesn't have to be blessed in a church. Heck, a marriage doesn't even require a pastor for any reason.

LOL! I want to believe you're only kidding, right?   I also want to maintain that a wedding ceremony (whether traditional or church) between a CHRISTIAN COUPLE should at the very least, be blessed by a pastor, or reverend, or bishop, or whatever they call them these days!

It's only the right thing to do, regardless of the fact that the Bible may be silent on the matter!


My brother, the major contention I have with you is that of your notion of "CHRISTIAN COUPLE" Perhaps you have forgotten that GOD does not know you and I as "Christians" or any other religion adherents for that matter! He recognizes us as his creations or children. Period!

Therefore, he does not have a different set of standards for any set of people based on their religion or belief. His expectations are STANDARD. And as far as marriage is concerned, HE has simplified it enough by not imposing any conditions or requirements from us. Any other obstacle are self imposed by us on ourselves. Now, if we all know and agreed that traditional wedding is valid enough, and that white/church and registry weddings are customs imported/imposed on us by the Oyinbo people, and therefore are alien to our society, and that our own is not inferior, who is a pastor, priest, reverend, bishop, or pope? What is their so called subsequent "blessing" after a trad wedding when GOD Almighty has already sanctioned it earlier?

My point is that these people do not add more than a "feel good factor" to marriage factor. Since they cannot invalidate a marriage after trad ceremony, it follows logically that they cannot validate it also. Therefore, we should not unnecessarily magnify their molehill to mountainous proportions in this matter!

Thank you.

@ yemivictor;

Marriage is a universal phenomenon. Therefore, just like human rights principles, it has no colouration or religion. That is the problem, and genesis of this debate!

There is an attempt to use religion to invalidate a bona fide union between the poster and spouse!! You see, irrespective of your creed, marriage is marriage. Therefore there is no special requirement for conjugal union for Christians, or any other religion. God is very tactful to avoid laying down any "special or holy " requirements for this. Every other huddles are shackles and burdens imposed by humans on ourselves.

I repeat, for this couple in question, having done traditional wedding (otherwise known as engagement) they have fulfilled ALL righteousness, and are MAN & WIFE ALREADY. Church and pastoral/priestly benediction or not. They are fully married!!!

The Oyinbo people that brought church wedding to us, lest we forget, do not have any other culture other than that (white wedding) So why should we always relegate what is ours in favour of theirs? The reason you clamour for church wedding is that the whites instituted it into our society. If it were the other way (say we had church wedding, and Oyinbos brought traditional/engagement) you guys would have jettisoned church wedding by now in favour of trads!

Have you attended an engagement ceremony before? Didn't you notice how much more compelling and elaborate it is? I mean the groom and his family, carrying various items of value, asking (as for the Yorubas, BEGGING) the family of the bride in full glare of a multitudes from both sides, the "negotiation" sometimes taking several hours before the bride's parent finalling acceding? And before the wife is handed over thru the parents of the groom (signifying that they are giving their daughter in trust via them to their son) they are giving conditions including that she must not be beaten, starved, ill-treated in any way, for which the groom will agree. Even, in some Fulani culture, the groom is flogged heavily to show his preparedness to take home the priced possesion. That is REAL MARRIAGE, it's wonderful! The Oyinbos' lack that element.

There is an analogy: Coronation (Africans vs Oyinbos)

1. Human kingship is recognised and accepted by God.

2. Every kingship position is sanctioned by God (The Bible says "the heart of the king is in the hands of the Lord) Therefore, noone can attain the position without God's permission, or being ordained by Him (either a good or bad king).

3. For any white man's king's coronation to be valid, it must be done in a church, and or blessed by a priest. African kings' coronations are done in traditional ceremonies.

Now as my conclusion; I pose this question: Does lack of church or pastoral/priestly blessing invalidate the kingship of an African king?

@ HERO111;

Can you kindly support your claim that a marriage is not recognised by God unless it is done in a church, or "blessed" by a priest/pastor with any Biblical quote or reference?

If not, do you think carrying out the ritual of wedding within the premises of a church, or by a priest/pastor proclaiming that "you are now man and wife" makes a wedding any more valid than sitting in a lecture room in a university making anyone a student?

@ yemivictor:

There's no place for "pastoral blessing" as a pre-requisite for a valid marriage!

We Nigerian (Christians) have elevated the position of our pastors beyond the reasonable, and sometimes, substituted them for GOD! This is to the extent that many will not test whatever any pastor tells them with reason or scripture, but act gullibly. The only justification good enough for them is "my pastor says so"

Who is a pastor when it comes to the issue of marriage? What powers or say has he/she in the matter? I pity so many of my brethren, some go to the extent that their pastors make choices of who to date and marry for them! No matter how much they loathe somebody, if the pastor says "marry him/her (i.e. compels them, even against the bride's parental consent) they dare not disagree.

Abeg, don't say such things again. Read my lips: PASTORS DO NOT HAVE ANY ROLE IN VALID MARRIAGES any more than your friends, colleagues and any other acquaintances.

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

@tkb417:

Does it mean people who cannot write (and read) cannot or do not marry?

And what was there before invention of writing (and material documentation in writing) no marriage?

GOD performed the first marriage between Adam and Eve. There was no "legal document" yet he accepted it as valid.

You see, that idea of documentation is one of those obstacles that have been put up by humans as a "form", which is far from the "substance" of marriage. Tell me, how does the legal document secure and guarantee a marriage? and for how long does it compel the couple to conform and obey the tenets of their so called "vows"? Many find out sooner than they imagined, that it is a worthless piece of paper/document even a few days when they start to fall out, quarrel and bicker.

Divorce courts are filled to the brim with such papers. Don't be deceived, the best marriages are written down in the hearts of the couples. With mutual respect, true love, and fear of GOD. Irrespective of what comes their way, they remain unshaken. Then when people cannot get in between such couples, they start to say things like:

1. The woman has bewitched the husband, or vice versa,
2. They are fools,
3. I don't even know what he/she sees in her/him,
4. Dem be "yeye" people,
5. They should have their heads examined, e.t.c, the list is endless.

Do not put your faith in any physical thing as the source or evidence of your marriage, but the Lord, our GOD.

As A Christian, I challenge anyone to show me where the requirement for marriage was stated as "blessing" by a priest or "man of God" in the Bible!

The issue is that over time, customs of people have crept into religion - and vice versa, such that where the custom is GLAMOROUS, it quickly and easily takes such a position that an average, or undeciphering public assumes it to be the correct thing.

My people, don't be deceived, the 3 ingredients of marriage are; 1.PARENTAL CONSENT (of the bride's family) which may or not be signified by a dowry, 2. WILLINGNESS OF THE 2 PARTIES (man and wife) and 3. witnesses to the agreement (which may not necessarily happen simultaneously). Once that is obtained/present, pronto, marriage is done deal, and recognised by GOD. The rest is human ceremony just to show off and belabour those involved.

It is unfortunate that we have exalted the "packaging" i.e. ceremonies (especially church service and reception, engagement, introduction etc) over and above the "core product" i.e. consent and willingness. To the extent that in many cases, those two elements are completely missing, and we still go ahead with the "wedding" and impose it on GOD.

It is not an omission that the Bible does not have a single account of a marriage where a priest presided or joined the couple!! Not even Jesus, he never superintended any wedding or ceremony. Remember, at Cana in Galilee, he was a guest at a wedding, he was not even invited to the high table, let alone conduct the wedding.

GOD is very simple and wants things the easiest way for us as his creatures, but the problem with us is that we have always found ways to complicate issues for ourselves, up to the point that it becomes excessively burdensome and sometimes unbearable for many others, up to the point that we push many to sin in the process. Consider how many have committed sins just to meet up with human standards of "marriage" such as high bride price, cost of rings and dresses/suits, white wedding expenses and receptions, honeymoons etc. while GOD's standard costs nothing, and demands next to nothing.

My brother, if you've done traditional wedding otherwise called engagement, YOU ARE BONA FIDE MARRIED. That has satisfied GOD's standard for marriage as you have fulfilled all righteousness. The 3 ingredients are complete; Bride's Parental Consent, Couple's Willingness, and Witnesses to the union's agreement. Go ahead and fire on, for you are married before the Almighty. Let no one shackle you unnecessarily.

No wonder Jesus says " my yoke is easy, and my burden is light", and who makes them "heavily laden"? The human society!

May GOD have mercy on us all.

Dear Monisoola,

Take it from me, and it's authentic; The only change that happens to people in marriage with time is for the worse, Behaviourally, socially, emotionally, and of course, physically.

Never marry on the premise that your spouse will get better on any aspect you do not like, let alone detest, or cannot live with. For those dislikes will sooner aggravate to become detests. Therefore what do you think your detests will degenerate to?

Whatever you have now is the best you'll ever get from a relationship (God forbid, marriage) with the guy. Don't be fooled by attempt to cover up his extreme selfishness, which is a glaring defect, as his plans to set up a business (for himself alone). Girl, if he really loves you, what says he can't involve you in that business plan? Afterall, he should start sharing some part of him with you now, if he will ever share the "whole" of his life with you in marriage! But truth is that, he is a "ME, MYSELF, & I kind of person.

However, if you do not mind committing lifelong "emotional harakiri" then go ahead and "sentence" yourself to a psychological life imprisonment, all in the way of marriage with someone you are obviously not compatible with, and whose life and habits will bore you to death.

The choice is yours.

Good luck as you attempt the plunge!

Remember, it is written:

Do unto others before they do unto you!

@ POSTER:

If you can answer this question, then you got the correct answer;

Can polythene gloves protect your hands inside a smelting furnace?

Good luck!

@All Supporters of These Scammers

We've said it here many times over that eventually the castles built with spit by these guys for you will sooner be demolished by a mere dew (let alone rainfall)

Chicken has come to roost! And the next set of people to blame is the government agencies that licenced them?!!! Habaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because govt gave them the papers do not mean they should go out there and coax gullible, lazy, dis-illusioned and greedy citizens. For crying out loud, if the process of their licencing is reviewed, I'm sure they got it by deceit also. And even it they got it rightly, they have obviously deviated from their MEMO and Article of Association's contents, for they dare not include it in it that they'll indulge in duping business.

It brings the point I once raised that it's the same mentality with those who get building approvals having presented legal drawings, only to get to their sites and build 6 storeys on a 2-storey building plan approval. Then, when the building collapses, government is blamed!

By the same analogy, it seems people blaming the authorities instead of addressing the issue at the root will agree with me that the are blaming the govt for giving licences to motorists to operate commercial "danfo" when they turn round to use it for "ONE CHANCE"!!!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with government licence, the trouble is with those with warped minds and intentions who use them illegally. The wolfs disguising as sheep.

What is wrong with our psyche as a people or nation(s)? Have we been exposed to too many or too much illegalities that we have been numbed in sensibilities to the extent that we cannot even discern good from bad? And when people are faced with the stark reality of the consequences of their error (of judgements) they quickly place it on someone else? Sometimes, if there's no one to blame, then it's the work of the devil. But never themselves, and absolutely no sense of remorse!

All these supporters of the wonder bankers should just simply start eating their humble pies now in shameful quietness, for this is just the beginning.

And, let no one remind us they made so and so money from them, and so they're justified. For everyone who made any amount, 10,000 others have lost their "investment" just to pay the "lucky ones" The only problem is, those who've lost will not say a word, but lick and nurse their wounds in their closets. The point is; what is wrong is wrong. The problem with getting involved in the rat race is; even if you win, you are still a rat! That is why GOD promises his own GOOD SUCCESS. This implies that the maker of you and I knows that there are "bad successes"

Our country need a lot of work to regenerate our minds. Otherwise all efforts to redeem this generation will go with the wind - just like the monies of my fellow citizens, who are looking elsewhere for alibis. But remember, the first person to use the tactics failed woefully. Adam did not get bye, blaming Eve for eating the apple. You guys have ate the apple of wonder banks now, there's not going to be any excuses acceptable. Next time, don't go near their doors. Don't even walk along their streets!

Sorry oh.