₦airaland Forum

Jamiuokolaa:
SPY360 et al, is this true or should all these different newspapers be investigated for bigotry?

Making a language compulsory doesn't mean they were not studying it.

I schooled in Lagos and Yoruba was not compulsory. You can choose to study Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa. I know Yoruba friends that chose Hausa

I don't understand how this your posts proves anything

Spy360:
I have read the SC judgement on the issue and I observed that none of the entire panel was Igbo. So their understanding of the tradition may not be accurate and I don't blame them.

What I can assure you is that this law will create more problems than solution because of the misunderstanding and not even the intent.

That part of the tradition has obviously come to an end.

Na man dey make tradition
Na man dey change am

Back then, like you rightly said, ancestral lands were not transferrable. People cannot even sell it.

Today, people don sell am finish. All those estates springing up everywhere are people's ancestral lands.

So why can't the female child inherit the lands or proceeds?

Also, in the past, a man will be mandated to take another wife so he can have a male child, if the first gives birth to girls or doesn't give birth. Today, people are monogamous even with only female children.

So will such a man leave nothing for his daughters today?

Traditions change, and this will most likely be one

BlueRayDick:
Gbadebo will speak in English while Gbadamosi do the interpretation in Yoruba 😂

3 years is sufficient time for me to learn Hausa, Efik, Nupe, etc to a 50% fluency level

These are languages that are foreign to me.

But a Yoruba boy with a Yoruba background cannot have time to polish himself.

BlueRayDick:
I think they just feel the need to support/defend Gbadebo (maybe because of his underdog status in 2023 gubernatorial elections) and nothing more. On paper, Funsho Doherty looks like a far better alternative when compared to Gbadebo.

Since 2023, Funsho Doherty has been actively calling out Lagos state government over fiscal transparency and public procurement. He's been doing the real job of opposition leader shinning torchlight to all those areas Lagos State's funds are being siphoned by the ruling party. He's not really on twitter bantering words with Lagos state government's officials, instead he's setting the tone for the general public to see the fiscal irresponsibility going on at different levels of governance in the state.

Personally, I think Funsho Doherty is been doing the heavy lifting of playing opposition politics with facts and not just lazying about bantering words with commissioners & SSA's online in the name of holding government accountable.

Funsho was the one that told us Sanwo-Olu used billions to construct 1km of road

He was the one that showed us how LASG used 200 million to pay lawyers for Sanwo-Olu during election tribunal.

He was the one that revealed a ghost company that received 100 million for nothing.

GRV said nothing in 4 year. He did nothing and couldn't even learn Yoruba.

Na the person wey serious be this

Theflint1:
We can't criticize politicians for engaging in corn eating type gimmicks because of elections yet demand another candidate learn a language simply for gimmickery.

I heard he's improved in his Yoruba, but I'd rather he had spent that time polishing whatever ideas he had around governance.

38 chinese administrators loaned from the CCP with their English translators by their side, deployed in governorship and the presidential positions would do a better job than what we have today.

You are the one that said 65% of Lagos are Yorubas. These large number have told you they prefer a candidate who can converse in their language

Why not learn it?

Him refusing to learn it outright disrespect to them.

What's more funny to me is that the language was an issue for him in 2023. I would expect such a person to have invested his time to learn it and come out strong in 2027

But see him labalaba-ing himself again

That guy is not serious. It's you people that think he is serious

Spy360:
My defense of GRV is in comparison with Hamzat. I don't know why you're not getting the message. Abi na comprehension issue or you just want to fight

Let us imagine both candidates without a political party

What exactly makes GRV more competent than Hamzat? He has no proven record of anything, except a degree.

I am not saying he wouldn't do well. I'm saying that with what we can see today, he is not better than Hamzat

Theflint1:
People are free to speak whatever language they want to campaign with, wetin go end am na loss, or victory as in the case of Donald Duke.

The universal language of administering states in Nigeria is English, and anybody that speaks English would do just fine.

GRV speaks English, sufficient Yoruba and sufficient Igbo (the two most widely spoken local dialects in Lagos)...if ability to converse in local dialects was the only criteria, he's arguably the most qualified.

That guy obviously doesn't want to be governor. You guys are more zealous and serious than him

You lost an election in 2023, and part of the feedback is that you couldn't speak Yoruba.

3 years later, he's back and still cannot speak Yoruba. How is this person a serious person?

CrystalTiger:
And when the wife dies, the properties go to the late man's siblings as they're also his family?

I think in times past, this is where they tell the woman to marry another relative.

BlueRayDick:
This tradition is discriminatory. Kids should be allowed to inherit their parent's properties Irrespective of their gender.

It gives the vibe of "The female child is not worthy enough to inherit her parents' properties ".

I am not defending the tradition. I'm just explaining that saying Women don't inherit properties is wrong.

They do

CrystalTiger:
So a man who has daughters as kids in Igbo land will give his properties to who exactly when he's gone?

His wife will automatically inherit it. She's part of his family

TemporaryHansel:
See mindset. A daughter cannot inherit her father's properties.

And the people practicing such want to claim liberal. It's like liberal have new meaning.

Spy needs to have his head planked for making such blas ph em ous stat em ent.

Let me explain it in the best possible way I can.

In the tradition, properties are non transferrable. This means the property of TemporaryHansel must remain with TemporaryHansel. It cannot go to another family

So the tradition believes that giving a female child inheritance automatically transfers that property to another family. So it isn't allowed.

Meanwhile the female child that gets married into a family is free to inherit because she is now part of that family.

My mum is Imo. She wasn't given any inheritance in Imo. She married in Anambra and got an inheritance. That's how it works

Like I said, it's the tradition. And I don't know how Spy sees Igbos as liberal

monerozi5590:
Kaduna State. Kaduna has had an Igbo House of Assembly member

Kaduna has also had an Igbo blood House of Rep. Member.

Kaduna State has had/having non indegene special advisors to governors


Kaduna State has so many non indegene in its state civil service.

Kaduna State is truly a land of opportunities.

Every state governor has non indigenes as Special advisors. Don't believe me. Check yourself

Many state governors have non indigenes in their state civil service. Like I said, don't believe me. Check yourself.

Like I said, it's Lagos you see these things easily. I don't know how long Kaduna has being having this, but it commendable

TemporaryHansel:
Start what again?

You can say a daughter cannot inherit property in her father's place, and that's correct. The tradition has an explanation for it

But saying Women cannot inherit property is wrong. A married woman can inherit in her husband's place.

TemporaryHansel:
I praised yorubas and you felt the need to bring Igbo hype to my mention. Don't quote me with this nonsense next time.

Igbos are liberal. Liberal in what sense? People that don't even allow their females inherit property? Can an imo state man become Anambra governor?
Bro, please.

Una don start again!

A Federal road in 2026

Niger state

Spy360:
When you are faced with two poor options you decide which is less tolerable for you.

A Hamzat that is part of the criminal gang holding Lagos in bondage, sworn loyalty to Tinubu and allegiance to USA and

A GRV, young man from the new block, that the only thing you hold against him is his lack of fluency in local language

We should be smarter than this.

If GRV lacks enough competence to you, then go for Funsho Doherty who is even my best candidate for Lagos State.

But Hamzat is a no no

Doherty is your best candidate, but you carry Sword and Shield dey defend GRV?

I can sympathize with a GRV that was rejected because of language barriers in 2023, but if after 3 years, he still doesn't see the need to learn the language, he's not serious.

Spy360:
Should speaking a language come before competence and character?

Spare me this nonsense argument


Being eloquent is different from being unable to speak

I am not Yoruba but can speak a bit of it. I believe GRV can speak Yoruba just that he is not fluent

What you're demanding is being fluent. You cannot be fluent in 2 years when you're close to 40 years old

So how do you know he is competent and has character? Where has that been tested before?

Let's even skip that argument

If GRV didn't get enough support because he couldn't speak the language in 2023, what stops him from learning it in 3 years?

You want to be governor, and the people you want to rule says you should know the language. Why hasn't he learned it?

The guy may not be as serious as you take him

Theflint1:
Lagos has a Yoruba population around 65%...some would argue less.

Anambra/Onitsha should be at least 90% Igbo dominated.

Two different scenarios.

I am just saying that Lagos is in the SW. So yes, we can attribute that to them.

I no dey drag that one

raumdeuter:
And he will become governor despite that. Same way people claimed Fashola was from Ekiti and Ambode from Ondo

I haven't said he won't be Governor.

I am simply telling you that it is Yorubas that are reminding him to go back to Ekiti. The matter has been taken to court.

The Liberalism that the SW has and shows(which nobody can take away from them) is only in Lagos.

After Lagos, everybody must answer him papa name

Theflint1:
How come this liberalism doesn't go beyond Lagos?

I won't take it away from the Yorubas being liberal. If Onitsha was like Lagos and have non-indigenes occupying positions, we would also say Igbos are liberal.

But it is only Lagos that these things are easily possible.

afrodoc2:
A tribe having presence in every locality does not mean that the tribe is liberal. It only means that the other tribes are liberal enough to accept you in their midst.

It is not the one who goes visiting that is liberal but the one who accepts all visitors with open arms.

I wonder how that example even came out from Spy's head

China is liberal because they can be found in every village in Africa

Spy360:
It's the mentality of bgtree that is making anyone believe language is a serious issue for choosing leaders.

Language can only become a factor when other factors are equal.

I can't be supporting a Hamzat that swore allegiance to both Tinubu and the United States simply because GRV cannot speak Yoruba fluently.

MM people

Why shouldn't he speak Yoruba fluently?

People commit 2 years to learning German, French, etc. Since 2023, why can't he learn Yoruba once and for all?

Amoto94:
Some years ago in Ondo State an Ebiraman won Councilor in one of the wards, I'm yet to confirm but it was rumored that an Ebira was a chairman of Somolu in Lagos not too long ago. In my place if you're from a different clan it is near impossible to become a councilor in a ward dominated by another clan. So, I can say that SW, NW, and NE are the regions that are less discriminatory when it comes to giving opportunities to outsiders

Using a councillor to make this decision holds little water.

If a ward is dominated by non indigenes, the councillor can easily be a non indigene. A ward dominated by Igbos in Ondo state will easily have an Igbo councillor

Let us see Ondo state give commissioners to an Ebira man, or give HOA tickets or Senate tickets to another tribe.

It's only Lagos you see these things easily.

TemporaryHansel:
There are private companies in Lagos that all their employees are non indigenes and nobody complains.

In most states in other zones, they will not allow you employ only non indigenes in your company.

I don't think this is limited to Lagos, I know of such cases in Ibadan too.

The yorubas in general are more free/liberal than the rest. EOD.

Mind sharing examples?

I'm trying to imagine how this can be possible.

Unless it's a sole proprietor consisting of Oga and 2 sales girls

BlueRayDick:
Maybe Theflint1 who broached the idea of liberalism should define what he meant by liberalism then we would know how to move from there.

He meant in terms of non-indigenes getting appointments.

After Lagos, the remaining 35 states no send that one

TemporaryHansel:
Let me guess, he probably means in terms of non-indigenes occupying important positions.

I also think that's the liberalism you are talking about

If it is marriage, everybody marries as they like. How can that be liberalism?

Atiku married Igbo
Babangida married Delta
Obi married Akwa Ibom

So therefore, Adamawa, Niger and Anambra states practice liberalism

BlueRayDick:
Governor Adeleke's mother is Igbo.

Seyi Makinde's wife is Kalabari.

What liberalism are u actually looking for in the southwest?

I don't see how marriage can be classified as liberalism

You married your wife for yourself, even before politics.

The liberalism in Lagos exists only in Lagos. And truly we can attribute it to the Yorubas, but na only Lagos dey do am.

Yayi that has spent the last 8 years improving Ogun, is now being reminded he is from Ekiti.

pocohantas:
Better! Because if that number is entering daily and inhabiting, other states would be empty by now. 😂

I also know a large number leaves on a daily.

That number sef fit reach 6,000

pocohantas:
As in 6000 humans are coming to inhabit Lagos everyday. Not to do business and return?

No nau

I didn't say inhabit oh. That's why I said I don't know how he got the maths of 3000 staying behind

But 6000 people entering Lagos everyday is possible. It most likely is true

raumdeuter:
An average danfo bus brings 20 people. Calculate how many danfo dey enter daily
9-11 the favorite of Northerners enter daily
An average GIG, Young shall grow luxurious bus dey bring 100 people(not sure of this number)

Now calculate how many buses dey enter daily

The part I cant verify is how many are leaving

To know those who are staying back permanently

When you finish school or NYSC the bigger percentage of your friends are on their way to Lagos

Exactly

I cannot and do not know how he did that math

But 6000 in a day is very very possible in Lagos.

pocohantas:
6000?? As in 1000, 2000, 3800, 6000? Daily? Is it eggs?

I travel by night sometimes

And doing the maths mentally, I can tell you that 40 to 50 Night buses leave the entire SE and Rivers every night.

One bus carries 53 passengers. So about 2000 to 2500 human beings move every night to Lagos through those Long Buses.

Then factor those that traveled by day from all geo zones
Factor those that traveled from the SW, NE, NW, NC, SS
Factor those that flew in through MM1 and MM2 and International airport
Factor those that came in through Seme border

It is very very realistic

I believe Hamzat's figures that 6000 people troop into Lagos everyday.

Very realistic