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KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism and logical fallacies : https://www.nairaland.com/3299993/what-prominent-achievements-made-atheists

Atheism , Reincarnation , Mysticism and Voodooism : https://www.nairaland.com/3320685/atheists-believe-reincarnation-spirits-voodoo

The Bible and Slavery : https://www.nairaland.com/3210816/bible-slavery-answering-ignorant-atheists

Atheism is Dead , the Logic of God and Everything : https://www.nairaland.com/2973792/atheism-dead-logic-god-everything

Proving Atheism was the animus that led to the death of millions : https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because

Atheism as a Fulfillment Of This Prophecy : https://www.nairaland.com/3000007/atheism-actual-fulfillment-prophecy

Atheists made no prominent achievements during the medieval age : https://www.nairaland.com/3299993/what-prominent-achievements-made-atheists

Atheists and Incest : https://www.nairaland.com/3202859/nairaland-atheists-incest-right-wrong

Atheists and Bestiality : https://www.nairaland.com/3246878/nairaland-atheists-bestiality-right-wrong

Quality discussions with so much on Logic , History , Science , Bible , morality and Even out-of-the-box thinking

People learn from my threads though they are opprobrious attacks on atheism

Okay, so I admit, you have a nice range of topics here.

But don't think that your threads are making any progress- you are just a good troll who knows how to get people talking and arguing. Your threads are reetarded at times

hopefulLandlord:
Jackbizzle

Ebuka is trying to derail and you're entertaining it

If he wants to discuss his threads, he can kindly go there

It doesnt matter, let him expose himself. Evidence of his derailing and guile are mounting up....

KingEbukasBlog:
I explained it here : https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because/

And if you had read the op of this thread, you would have realised that your views on communism/atheism in that thread are silly.

Atheism is not a political doctrine. Communism is. Communism leads to certain forms of tyranny and genocides. That has nothing to do with atheism. Does KKK define christianity? Why then should communism define atheism? How many atheists are communists?

Stop lying and start thinking.

JackBizzle:
5) Atheism is the reason for communism and communist killers
Yes, state or forced atheism came as an integral part of communism but then, not all atheists are communists. Atheism is not a political party or a political doctrine. In fact, communism is more anti-religion or anti-theist than atheist since it kills religious people. Atheism is an empty disbelief and therefore it cannot be a motive for murder or politics. There have been many atheist presidents who have never been tyrants or murderers. In fact, the best president of recent times is an atheist- Jose Mujica of Uruguay.

KingEbukasBlog:
You misconstrued the whole thing , I didnt say all atheists killers kill because of atheism , I said only the communists who are atheists kill because of atheism .

How is atheism a motivation to kill?

Mr Ebuka, please, explain it in simple terms. Explain how a disbelief in God turns one into a killer.

dblackninja:
I just love this thread..really
If only these theists will look into this thread, READ & UNDERSTAND it, we wouldn't be having repeats of vacuous threads calling out atheists for no equitable cause

Who knows, bigotry might just reduce & intelligent propositions might be the order of the day.

One can only hope.....

KingEbukasBlog:
Because you always rehash arguments bro !!!

Be honest !!!

The same arguments presented in different ways nothing new , nothing original .

Atheists have no morality- 99% of your threads
eg
-communism shows that atheists have murderous tendencies
-atheists see nothing wrong with bestiality
-atheists see nothing wrong with incest



Unlike you, I'm very original.

My threads range from islam to philosophy to christianity....underage marriage, starting a church...etc


But no, you must lie and equate me with yourself.....

KingEbukasBlog:
Because all written has been countered before , you are simply obdurate about your weak arguments that's all

One good example is this thread proving that atheists indeed killed because of atheism , and your responses on this thread have been off topic ==>https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because/


Here are other examples , this time on morality

Some atheists here agreed that bestaliality is right and those who said it was wrong could not give a reasonable reason -> https://www.nairaland.com/3246878/nairaland-atheists-bestiality-right-wrong

Same thing with incest -> https://www.nairaland.com/3202859/nairaland-atheists-incest-right-wrong

Here is a thread proving that numerous atheists have murderous tendencies ->https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous

Like I always tell you , you cant claim you have morality when you agree there is no good or evil . And if you say something is good or evil you have no cogent reason to support your stance .

You just cant stop lying? I answered your threads on communism and bestiality very well.


Please focus on the topic of my thread and stop derailing.....

KingEbukasBlog:
If I were 'Mr Hit and Run' why would I open a thread to respond to questions about Christ and the bible even openly asked people to post questions

You ran away from two of my threads, bro!

promise101:
Bro, they are really getting weaker.

(Whisper)...I sense that...getting so weak.

Oh....we have an atheist whisperer here!

This christian can sniff out atheism!

BEWARE!!!!

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not trolling bro . Come on , you know me . There's an interesting discussion going on between raphiemontella and I - I'm relishing it .

Pointing out the already known fallacies is a complete waste of time . You know you are wrong and you are the troll , why waste my time "exposing" it .

The last thread on winner01 , my post - the response to your thread - was long and apparently needless because I've written those words over and over . Ugh! The onerousness ! I won't repeat that again !

You are better than this bro . Come on ! Haba !

lol....it seems your reverse psychology worked an escape route for you!

You haven't pointed out what is wrong with the op. You keep hopping on my threads and then avoiding the topic at hand.
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Guy, fact is that God is a half baked philosophy

xynerise:
Ishilove, come and see your village people

alchemist13:
Hi KingEbukasBlog. I notice you are here but you haven't responded to my latest question in the other thread

You are talking to mr hit and run! Ebuka the Escaper!

ifenes:
A group of Atheists could be a cult when certain individuals try to create a brick wall of reasoning and set certain rules on what to believe or not.

Hmmm........that's an interesting thought. Do you have any specific examples of atheist cults?

WORLDPEACE:
Reasons Why Atheism Looks Like A Religion
1. The fact that many Atheists are puzzled that the other side does not share their beliefs when the 'fact' is supposed to be obvious to all. That is subjectivity. This is exactly how the minds of religious people work.
2. The obsessive need to proselytize by some atheist can begin to look like they were given the commission to do so by a higher power. This is what the very religious do.
3. The self-righteousness of some. The "we are not like them who have done this and that" expressions. It's like watching christians and Muslims go at one another.
4. The "Scientists say" prefix every time Atheists want to make an important point often reminds one of "My Pastor says" or the "Qur'an says" which basically means that that "greater mind's" views overrules yours and everybody else's. This too is the stuff religion is made of.

And you know the say "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."

1. Who told you that atheists are puzzled about religious people's beliefs? Many atheists were muslims and christians before they became atheists

2. Do atheists preach to you at your front door like christians do? Do you see atheist preaching in the market square? Atheists do not proselytize. Stop the lies

3. Self-righteousness is not a religious stance. Anyone can be self righteous, with or without religion

4.




Guy, you have no valid points. Atheism is not and can never be a religion.

KingEbukasBlog:
The miasma of ignorance oozing out of this thread can kill ! How can you cure ignorance with more ignorance - disaster !

JackBizzle , bro just admit that you are just annoyed that atheists' arguments are getting weaker every time we Christians post new threads exposing your[atheists'] specious arguments , lies and ignorance .

And yet, you didn't put forward one reasonable counter-argument against the op?


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ChykePryor:
Yh the entire writeup n fun making is illogical n a display of incivility, 2 wrongs don't make a write, 1 woman does not speak for billions,

Then making fun of people because of their faith, does it not seem a bit shallow to You, esteemed pinnacles of Wisdom, supreme logic n common sense,

U feel ur are superior to us Savages who believe in a Sky daddy being that controls our lives from beyond, u av rejected reason n called delusion logic, despite been born into religious homes, indirectly u call ur parents Savages, because I'm sure they prayed for ur birth but look what u turned out,

Everything u feel, n u think u know boils down to Pride,

I'm sure you've heard all this, but contrary to what you think, True Christianity teaches Acceptance, Love n Compassion, we're an embodiment of Jesus's Virtues,
though there are those of us who av twisted faith into Fanaticism n dogmatism, Who av corrupted the teachings of Christ to fit their perceptions..
True Christianity is not a Religion but a way of Life, n also we pray for our brethren to be molded in the love of Christ ,true teachings n learning to embrace all, it's a slow Journey but we will get there..

Christ teaches love your neighbor as you love yourself, it don't matter if that neighbor is racist, buddhist, Atheist, Alien,...we've been commanded to love n follow peace with all men, n to do all things to others as Unto God,

The Sun/Rain shines/falls on the good n the bad, when a man labours n toils for a goal in conjunction with positive catalysts he will succeed, whether he is religious or irreligious,

but as Christians we are encouraged to work diligently whilst pray, n it works for us, it might work for us because we believe n follow the right principles but because it does not work for U, doesn't it make it a lie or a need for u to dub us Primitive or Lazy thinkers,
Sometimes u need to look deep within urself to discover the beauty of Humanity lies in it's diversity,

All in all, This is our world n it has been given to the sons of men, Work in ur Faith of self to better it, while we work with our Faith to better it too,

Learn to be Tolerant.

The world was made for the sons of men, but some of us have Faith walking in us,
We're Christians,
Christ in Us, The Hope of Glory.

I wish more christians followed the christianity you espouse. Unfortunately, most nigerian christians don't.

hahn:
Hell fire awaits you.

Make sure you go with something to barbecue. It is going to be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg stay

Dont mind the hypocrite.

10) Atheism is a white man's philosophy
This is a widespread ignorant belief held by many Nigerians due to the fact that they have always been surrounded by religion- christianity, islam and ATR. They fail to realise that there have always been disbelievers with every religion in every continent. Were there not blasphemers in your village before the white man came? Atheists generally have been careful to hide their beliefs so that they won't be harmed. There are many Nigerian atheists who have never even been out of Nigeria, yet they became atheists.

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9) Atheists only believe in science
This is another misconception about atheism. Since a lot of atheists use facts and scenitific research to argue, the christians at the end of such arguments feel that atheists just follow whatever scientists tell them. Atheism has nothing to do with science. Science and logic are just the best ways of pointing out that God/religion are unnecessary. Some atheists do not even understand science- they just have a sceptical mind. Atheists are human beings like you- they love, they drink, they play, they fight.


Atheism is a result of bad parenting.
Many ignorant nigerians believe that because atheist nigerians come from religious households, their (the atheists') parents must have failed in teaching them the religion. This is not so. People leave religion due to evidence or some experience. You cannot lock everyone's brain to a religion. People change. People grow. People progress.


7) Atheism is a cult
Many ignorant Nigerians do not understand atheism and since it is not inline with their religion, they accuse it of being a cult. A good example of this ignorance is the belief held by many Pentecostal Nigerians that the catholic church is a cult- despite the catholic church being a much older and bigger church than their own


6) Atheism is a religion
This is one of the more dubious lies done not in ignorance but of hatred. Many christians and muslims know that their religions are problematic, so they too try to rope atheism in the problem as well by calling atheism a religion. They see atheists coming together to criticize their religion and they use this as a way to get back at the atheists. How can atheism be a religion? Are there gods in atheism? Is there any mode of worship? How can a lack of belief be a religion? Do atheists have any rituals? If I put 100 atheists in a room, would you find one single thing that ties them all together? No!


5) Atheism is the reason for communism and communist killers
Yes, state or forced atheism came as an integral part of communism but then, not all atheists are communists. Atheism is not a political party or a political doctrine. In fact, communism is more anti-religion or anti-theist than atheist since it kills religious people. Atheism is an empty disbelief and therefore it cannot be a motive for murder or politics. There have been many atheist presidents who have never been tyrants or murderers. In fact, the best president of recent times is an atheist- Jose Mujica of Uruguay.

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4) Atheists are fools
Many nigerian christians and muslims believe that atheists are fools for two reasons
1) A gaping, colossal pit of hellfire awaits the ignorant unbelievers
2) The bible/quran both have unflattering descriptions for unbelievers
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Atheists are not fools- they are human beings like you. Atheists just do not believe in hell or the quran or the bible. Furthermore, research shows that atheists/irreligious people tend to be smarter in general, compared to religious people. In fact, some of the smartest people on earth today are atheists. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-8758046.html ......it is also important to note that there are millions of religious people who are smart, if not smarter than atheists.


3) Atheists want to eradicate religion
This is one of the biggest fears of many ignorant and or dubious religious folk. They assume that atheists just hate religion and want to see it gone. There are good and bad atheists, just like there are good and bad religious people. Most good atheists, just like most good christians just want to enjoy their freedom to believe what they believe. Also, many atheists also want there to be separation of church and state- this also leads to the confusion that atheists want religion gone.


2) Atheism is satan's plan to deceive unbelievers in the end times
Atheists do not believe in Satan or any other deity. Full stop.



1) Atheists have no religion/God, hence they lack moral grounding.
This misconception is one of the biggest ones that atheists keep having to deal with. Many religious Nigerians seem to believe that morals come from the bible/quran. No- there are many sources for morality- logic, family, society and culture. Morality does not come from your religious books- or else, we would still be having slaves and killing blasphemers. Take the issue of human cloning- where did we get the morality to be against it? There is nothing against cloning in any religion or holy book- we all (christians, muslims, atheists hindu etc) came together in the form of united governments to say "no" to the terrible science of human cloning.







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vicadex07:
#change begins with us

Why didnt he and his congegration clear that dirt behind him instead of mocking the governor? At least public holiday was declared?

People like you see one tree instead of the forest

KingEbukasBlog:
How is the supernatural illogical ?

lol.....

How can supernatural even make sense?

We have the natural, which is everything. What what is outside everything?

femarse:
i cant argue with you because u are born in 1996 if u were born in 1985 -- 1989 u would have experience first hand witches and wizard and not harry potter the one u grew to watch on tv

And with that comment, you have destroyed your credibility

I'm far older than you think I am.

Also, age does not matter in the case. Did witches and wizards runaway from Nigeria before 1990? lol.

There are no witches and wizards.

femarse:
for the majority of the foolish boys and girls in the house that believe there is no God ....they are boys and girls because they lack knowledge hence they cant be call ladies and gentle men or rather man and woman

firstly its not new or strange or lie that there is witchcraft an wizard men make incantation and things happen , they call for rain and it rained they can send a bird to kill u in your dream (not nollywood movie) they can make money rituals and yahoo boys have used them extensively to aid their scamming of the white man and it has worked for them and its still working. u can try it too
now the logic is when they do this things they mix leaves and red oil and other silly things together and make a incantation (a call to some only God knows ) and it work and all the silly boys and girls here knows that this is true ( well they can deny) the point is when they make this incantation something both we can not all see answer them something somewhere we dont all know answer them which proves there is more than meet the eyes whatever it is that answer is beyond our physical understanding therefore prooving the existence of God with your little nigerian university physics and chemistry that can not even make a car is not only foolish but stupid (ooo u are waiting for the white man to do that for you because u have got no brain of yours )its only logical to believe there is God the christians has only say theires is superior that is what should have been the bone of contention not the denial that it doesnt exist in the first place

how have you change your surroundings with youe foolish belief that there is no God? how many people have started following you?
if someone can come here some two thousand years ago and billions still believe in it what have you to loose to also share in the faith
come to think of it the desire to satisfy your human greed is the only reason you are shying away from any sorth of faith
the desire to enjoy yourself in the highest possibly way without feeling any guilt in the process be it good or bad

Do you honestly believe that the people who don't believe in your God just want to sin without remorse?

Are christians the only good people?

Learn to accept other peoples philosophy or beliefs. Let God defend himself from those that do not believe in him.



Witches and wizards? Are you still a small boy/girl? Harry Potter?

KingEbukasBlog:
Absolutely ludicrous

You should say there could be no evidence for his personal God not the Supreme Being .

Is the Supreme Being also a personal God - that's another argument .

Have you seen or spoken to God?

If not, please keep quiet......your God is imaginary

WORLDPEACE:
That's wishful thinking. Groupthink is in every area of life; politics, religion, Academics- everywhere. As long as people share a common ideology they are prone to groupthink. We are social beings and we want acceptance in the group to which belong. This might make us not want to think an idea further or express our opinion when we feel or think otherwise. You may not disagree with a statement but if you are not certain about it and yet you don't say "please let's deliberate on this a little more before drawing our final conclusion", you are guilty of groupthink. We know how many times we've all been guilty of this. Atheist can and have been guilty of groupthink many times.

That is why I said "hardly".


The levels of groupthink between atheists and christians are different.

Christians
-eat grass because of their pastors. GROUPTHINK; OUR PASTOR IS ALWAYS RIGHT
-ostracize those who leave the church. GROUPTHINK; UNBELIEVERS ARE EVIL.

hopefulLandlord:
That guy just spills some mindless garbage and hopes the person he's talking to doesn't know better

Uses some words he thinks would bully someone into shutting up while saying nothing cogent

Kingebukasblog, see your life?

WORLDPEACE:
It still does not change the fact that Atheist are guilty of it. Your response is useless to the argument.

They are hardly guilty of it

Kgdavid:
wrong! we who believe in God have plenty evidence of His existence. You just don't agree with us about the evidence but to us it is 100 percent veracious.

Which evbidence


My car exists because I can see it, feel it, smell it, hear it when it moves etc.

Have you seen God? Talked to him? Felt him? Smelt him?


No evidence for your God

ChykePryor:
it's Illogical because it's religion,
Ur memes don't make sense either

really?

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=14pt]7.Atheism and appeal to ignorance[/size]


Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence", is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proved false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false

Atheists say there is no God because there is no evidence . They say the proposition "There is no God " is true simply because there is lack of contrary evidence . This is a quintessential appeal to ignorance fallacy

Projection fallacy- pushing your own failed arguments on your opponent.

Christians like you only believe in God because there is no evidence to prove otherwise.

KingEbukasBlog:
A common and legitimate criticism of the atheist worldview is that atheism is illogical and irrational
C. Atheism and extraordinary claims

Western Atheists often claim that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", yet they have no proof and evidence that the extraordinary claim of non-life becoming the first life solely through natural processes is true .

So all atheists are now scientists that support abiogenesis?

Most atheist concede that they do not even know how the first life came about.

My guy, stop lying. Are you lie mohammed?

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=14pt]4 . Atheism and groupthink
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The atheist website Atheist Revolution declared about segments of the atheist population:

“ We've seen various cliques emerge, some of which have largely abandoned critical thinking for dogma. This mutual admiration society strikes me as being antithetical to free thought, as similar ideas are rewarded through promotion while diverse perspectives receive less attention. This sets the stage for a type of groupthink that runs counter to big tent atheism...
By elevating some in our movement to the level of celebrities, I fear we have cheapened it through irrational hero worship.

”
The Shadow to Light Christian blog says about the atheist movement and groupthink:

“ ...more and more of us are starting to view the atheist movement as being cult-like...
It is this irrational hero worship that not only prevents many within the atheist movement from criticizing people like Dawkins and Harris, but it causes them to behave in an overly protective and defensive manner of such leaders, especially when the criticism comes from a theist or accomodationist.

...what we have is a group of people drifting toward group think and hero worship, where a sense of belonging is maintained by erecting online gated communities from which to toss out rhetorical bombs at theists. Yet because this group is only unified by its admiration for its leaders and its hatred of religion, it takes very little to start some nasty infighting. Recognition of such problems is the first step in trying to correct them.

”
The atheist Jerry Coyne said about atheist conferences which he attended:

“ But to me the speakers and talks have often seemed repetitive: the same crew of jet-set skeptics giving the same talks.
...a few things bothered me, most notably the air of self-congratulation (which I excused on the grounds of enthusiastic people finding like-minded folks for the first time), the “fanboyness” directed at some of the famous atheists (they hardly let poor Richard alone, and I’m not sure he liked that!), and the lameness of quite a few of the talks. Again, how much new can you say about atheism?

”
The atheist columnist Galen Broaddus wrote about atheist groupthink:

“ ...I am practically beside myself with rage at how many atheists in the movement have conducted themselves in particular over the past few weeks. These are largely people who openly castigate religious people for their credulity, for their lack of compassion, for their groupthink and wagon-circling — only to perfectly and completely obliviously act out those same behaviors.

You do realise that as a christian you have no moral standing to complain about groupthink! Your whole religion relies on it!