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Reyginus:
You see, none of you can really say that with all assurance. You know the implication of that stats? It simply implies that 1 out of every 4 Nigerians is sick in ten days.

The fact remains that malaria is easily treatable.

My problem is that Tufanja is behaving like a typical European- they think malaria is so deadly. I've had two friends in the UK quarantined because they came back from Nigeria with malaria. Malaria is not contagious!!!

urahara:
Logic boy as a thorn to the side of xtians , logic boy bashing the beliefs of xtains with logical counters , logic boy being the greatest envangelical atheist , etc

That flattering......

Reyginus:
*Pours into his cup some Tetraoxosulphate(vi)acid*

Is that how you should treat your father? A man who rescued you from the abyss of ignorance?



oh....Pantie washing.....never mind..

urahara:
So the legends were true..............

Jackbizzle nice one .

Let me add my own.
The perfect gaming system is flawed when it comes to saving costs .

What legends?

I'm curious

KingEbukasBlog:
You see that is an opinion which have not been proven to be true . It does not actually preclude God's perfect nature .

This is quite ironic seeing how you pull phrases like "God's perfect nature" out of your azz. How do you know that God is perfect?

Even your own God says that he is a jealous God. Thou shalt have no other Gods before me?? Why?? God can't bare the fact that some people prefer Zeus and Buddha?



However, that is besides the point. The fact remains that it is logically impossible to defend or even imagine something that is "all-perfect". Such a thing cannot exist. Perfection in one area usually means imperfection in another area as we have demonstrated here.

If someone is perfectly good, that means that he cannot do a lesser evil in order to stop a bigger evil.


For instance, you're in the north as a christian and there are boko haram terrorists going around killing christians. Unfortunately, a boko haram member gets lost and finds his way to your hideout. You hear him cursing christians and infidels, and by chance, he sees you guys hiding through your window. He brings out his phone to call his other members........

.....the right thing to do is to kill him or at least, knock him unconscious. However, he will fight to the death, so killing is the most likely action. Would a perfectly moral person kill him? No, the perfectly moral person would either try to reason with the terrorist or run. Both of which will get the perfectly moral person killed

KingEbukasBlog:
Lmao .

The perfect indomie is not flawed ! The nature of the indomie is what is perfect about it .

The Logic boy eehhhhhhhhh ! ! !

So, the perfect indomie is not flawed but

-most Nigerians do not eat it
-it is not time efficient



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This is truly the point of the omnipotence paradox and the failure of God's perfection- perfection in one aspect can usually cause imperfection in another aspect. Being "all perfect" is impossible.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are deviating from the point . He did make a perfect score . Its PERFECT because its 5.0/5.0 and he made it all through his 100 to 400 level . You are limiting your knowledge of perfection to human behavior !

Already addressed

JackBizzle:
Also note that he could also improve on his extra-curricular activities. Did he do sport? Community service? Did he do IT?
That 5.0 score is just one measurement out of many in the university.

KingEbukasBlog:
Ugh ! When you are perfect . Whatever improvement to be made its just getting to be like you . Let's look at the guy who made a 5.0 cgpa - a perfect result - every 100 level student would strive to finish with that result or something close to it 4.95 , 4.9 , 4.8 , 4.85 . That perfection was maintained by that guy all through his 100 to 400 level - getting a 5.0 gp . How is this abstruse ? Can you get better than a 5.0 cgpa?

You guys are close-minded and are still obdurate about your 'continuous improvement brings perfection' nonsense .

Also note that he could also improve on his extra-curricular activities. Did he do sport? Community service? Did he do IT?

That 5.0 score is just measurement out of many in the university.

KingEbukasBlog:
You just said it 'a perfect cooked indome will take about everywhere from 8-15 minutes' . Anything less - cooked before that duration - does not mean that the 8-15 minutes-cooked indomie has a flaw .

When it comes to saving time, the perfect indomie is flawed. Save time and cook the quickie indomie.

Checkmate!

KingEbukasBlog:
Ugh ! When you are perfect . Whatever improvement to be made its just getting to be like you . Let's look at the guy who made a 5.0 cgpa - a perfect result - every 100 level student would strive to finish with that result or something close to it 4.95 , 4.9 , 4.8 , 4.85 . That perfection was maintained by that guy all through his 100 to 400 level - getting a 5.0 gp . How is this abstruse ? Can you get better than a 5.0 cgpa?

You guys are close-minded and are still obdurate about your 'continuous improvement brings perfection' nonsense .

And yet, with his 5.0 score, he does not have the best job or highest IQ. His perfect score will be his greatest flaw in achieving greatness. All the parties and networking he missed in university will affect him in the future. He will never be president because he lacked and will still lack the social skills to do so. That is what studying for a perfect GP will do to you.



That 5.0 gp is only one score out of many. I know many first classers who are crammers. Did they truly learn or just learn to pass exams well? They can't sit down we me and johnydon22 to discuss philosophical issues.

KingEbukasBlog:
You do realise that they are indeed perfect and whatever approach or way you choose to see it does not preclude the perfection . So that does not mean its a flaw , you just think its a problem .

open your mind. Dont close it to the deeper issues surrounding perfection.

A perfectly cooked indomie will take about anywhere from 8-15 minutes

You can cook indomie imperfectly in 7 minutes.


When time is limited, do you try to use the perfect style to cook indomie?

Perfection requires you to take time and do everything to the best standard- not always effective, is it?

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly ! You claim something does not exist , then you have problems with the behavior of a non-entity ? How is that even possible ?

So, you are lowering yourself to the level of ishilove to spite atheists?

I knew you were dishonest when it came to atheism but not this low...chai



*Goes back to sipping tea*

SirWere:
Why do always stalk this thread. I find it.......... indicating

Ishilove looking for logicboy.

I wonder where dagr8est is

dblackninja:
Hmmm LB I think you should stop all these type of statements/questions cause clearly not everybody understand them. But since you wanna know whether you're right..yes you are!

The greatest perfection is imperfection This may sound gibberish..but it's not. It takes a quite lot of reasoning to actually understand that.

You cannot have perfection..without imperfection. A question may arise why?

I don't know how best to answer this but let me try and relate it with our understanding... one of the most impressive qualities of any object or person or a company is its ability to improve.

That means it is difficult to say that anything is perfect, unless it can also get better in the future. So how then could it be perfect if it's missing that vital attribute?

So if it is perfect, it must also therefore be imperfect at the same time.

Hope am understood

The japanese have a concept called Kaizen. It means continuous improvement. You try to improve yourself everyday. A oerfect person would fail at such a philosophy

A perfect person would remain stagnant while someone who is imperfect has room to improve. There is always better.

KingEbukasBlog:
Simple : When I'm perfect at something I know when someone is not doing it right . E.g

1. A perfect cook can easily detect an insipid meal , tasteless , not up to accepted standard .

2. A perfect gentleman knows a rogue or tout or a misogynist

Instead imperfection can understand perfection . Imperfection tries to obviate flaws , producing perfection

1.A bad cook can copy the perfect cook in order to do it right

2.A tout would want to be well mannered ,stop being uncouth and try to be a perfect gentleman

THat's why we look at a perfect God to guide us to perfection .

Matthew 5 : 28 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. " - God is a quintessence of perfection , we look unto him to know we are not doing it right . He as a perfect being knows we aint doing it right so he wants us to strive to be like him

Logicboy you dey fall my hand big time !

1) A perfect cook cannot cook an imperfect meal. 99.9% of Nigerians cook indomie imperfectly and we love it that way. No one follows the direction on the pack because you would use more water. Also, when cooking more than 3 packs of indomie, most people will use n-1 (1 less) bag of sauce.

If one was to cook indomie perfectly, he would not only follow the exact directions on the indomie pack but also use the given amount of sauce. Which we don't.


2) Some women love arrogance and rough behaviours. They love the bad boys. Olamide has girlfriends doesnt he? Orubebe is married and Floyd Mayweather with his toutishness and misogyny has babymamas. A perfect gentleman can be boring. Chris Brown beat Rihanna but the love dey strong.



Perfection comes with its own problems.

Tufanja:
Rather I am totally shocked by the informedness on this topic and the strain of reasoning. Btw, because 3 nigerians didnt see/hear someone dying, malaria is not a serious problem? Since when are personal observations like this rocket science in a country as big as Naija? Moreover, most replies left aside to respond to the points I made. Asap I have some time to write I will respond on all those aspects, only because I am very concerned about this type of answers I get from people who I expect to know what they are talking about, because awareness is key in the battle, I am not interested in paternalistic motivations to "make others take corrections". Use that energy to gain content and knowledge and make a change.

Okay, I await your insightful comment on malaria in Nigeria/Africa

KingEbukasBlog:
Perfection means impeccable . You are not found wanting in any department . How is it a flaw ? Its like saying a perfect design has flaws - this makes no sense . Something being perfect means free of flaws , flawless

If you are perfect, how can you understand imperfection?


Ruminate on that quietly while we wait for others to comment

dblackninja, hahn, sirwere, kingebukasblog, uruhara, tufanja, reyginus

I need your help, guys.


I made the below statement in bold;


"Perfection is a paradox. Perfection means "no flaws" but then again, perfection itself can be a flaw."
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Now, the problem is that we have 2 theists who say that I'm talking nonsense. Please do you guys see reason in the bold comment and is it relatable to the problems with God's omnipotence?

Richirich713:
There's no hope for this discussion, we both can't repeat things. But thanks for the chat.

thanks a lot!

UyiIredia:
You just dey yarn nonsense. Omnipotence, I repeat, is not contradictory. All of God's abilities are in harmony. None contradict.

lol.

Do you think you are making sense? You are just making empty statements with no proof or back up.


How do you arrive at omnipotence not being contradictory?

At least, many scholars or philosophers use a logical approach to define omnipotence and reach a conclusion that it is a paradox because you cant do everything.


You on the other hand, just somehow know without seeing or asking God or using any logic, that God's abilities are all in harmony.




Some religious people amaze me.

UyiIredia:
Why will you say God's omnipotence is contradictory when it's not. You've not brought forth evidence that it is. Furthermore by suggesting that it means one can do everything you show you completely misunderstand what it is. God omnipotence is to show His power supersedes that of all of creation since He made it. It doesn't mean He can do everything since God's omnipotence is bound by the laws of logic.

1) How do you know that God or his omnipotence is not bound by logic? Are you not pulling that out of your behind as an ultimate escape card? Wouldn't that make God illogical if he is not bound by logic?


2) Omnipotence is contradictory. It is impossible to be all powerful. There are things God can not do. Some of his abilities will negate other abilities.

Richirich713:
I don't know , It should be more dry, it should be electrically program to sumhow change its properties at the last second to avoid some1 slipping.



U contradicting urself when u say, a being that has no flaws, has flaws since he has no flaws. It's again like taking about squares with 3 sides.

As I said : "Again Maximum greatest, perfection by definition means no flaws".

"God is a maximally great being, he possesses all qualities that are better to have aka great making properties. Flaws are not better to have, like for real it's called flaws for a reason".

I'm talking about a maximally great being, not perfection in one property, perfection in one property ain't maximal greatness.



U see the problem is mr good has flaws
, he's not maximally great in all properties better to have. He's only perfectly good. He's not a maximally great being meaning by definition he has flaws and he does, he's not all-knowing nor is he all powerful.

If he was all powerful he could easily stop Boko haram, if he was omniscient he could easily stop Boko haram.





How does being omnipotent make God evil and illogical? Also having power doesn't corrupt beings that has no flaws, it's only corrupts humans who have flaws like being greedy and power hungry.




Don't see how this has anything to do with the omnipotent paradox.



Yeah power can be dangerous, doesn't mean it's a flaw. All depends on how u use it.




Nope the existence of God is so logical that his existence can be proved by logic alone.

I can now see the problem. You essentially do not understand what a paradox is, especially a logical paradox.

This is why such a simple bit of logic is not registering with you.


I clearly stated that perfection is a paradox. Perfection means having no flaws but that itself can be a flaw.

^^^
If you can not see the simple paradoxical logic in the above statement, there is no hope for further discussion.



You do realise that being perfect in one thing, sometimes means that you are not perfect in another thing?

UyiIredia:
SMH at your stoopidity.

Mr. UyiIredia,

Please, respect yourself and respect this thread. We come here to discuss. Have you seen anyone insulting anybody here? If you have a different opinion, please state it without ad hominems.


Cheers

SirWere:
Naruto
Bleach
Shingeki no Kyogin

I used to watch One piece......but I fell off the wagon after a while

Attack on titan? That was a great anime.

You should watch death note or parasyte. Great animes.

SirWere:
Wonderwoman, supergirl, son of batman.......
All recent comic movies, all bleeped up

What do you mean, all recent comic movies are all fvcked up?

Deadpool? Captain America? They were great!

hahn:
I haven't seen it yet though. Can't wait.

But if you really think it is crappy, what will you say when you see Nollywood's version?

Richirich713:
Again Maximum greatest, perfection by definition means no flaws. God can't create a square with 3 sides cuz a square by definition must have 4 sides.

Imagine a perfectly smooth floor. It is perfect. Flawless. But it is also dangerous because it will likely be very slippery compared to one that is not as smooth.

Exactly the floor aint perfect since it lacks other properties. God is perfect in all properties better to have, his a maximally great being.

What other properties should a floor have?


Again, you are ignorant on what a paradox is. A paradox is a statement that contradicts itself but yet might be true.


Perfection is a paradox. Perfection means "no flaws" but then again, perfection itself can be a flaw.


A good example is a perfectly moral person (let's call him Mr. Godd). This Mr. Godd can not lie, cheat or steal. Imagine that there are Boko Haram killers at the door of Mr. Godd who is hiding christians in a secret compartment that no one can find. If the Boko Haram killers ask Mr. Godd if there are any christians in his house, Mr. Godd cannot lie. He will condemn the christians to their death with the truth.

If you were a christian hiding in Mr Godd's house, wouldnt you think that Mr. Godd's perfection is a flaw that would get you killed?


Too much of anything is bad. Perfection is too good to be good.


Your God is too powerful and that makes him conceptually illogical and evil. As we all know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We can see how your God used his powers to flood the world. How he burnt Sodom and Gomorrah.

Just look at the power you have over an ant- one false step and the ant is flattened. Power is dangerous.





At the end of the day, who God's omnipotence don epp? Who God don epp?

Richirich713:
No I'm admitting nothing, just telling like it is. Using God omnipotence against him is not logical.


Not having any flaw is a flaw in itself?
What?

God is a maximally great being, he possesses all qualities that are better to have aka great making properties. Flaws are not better to have, like for real it's called flaws for a reason.

Not having a flaw is a flaw in itself. It seems that you do not understand what a paradox is.

Imagine a perfectly smooth floor. It is perfect. Flawless. But it is also dangerous because it will likely be very slippery compared to one that is not as smooth.


A flaw, like a problem, can be a blessing in disguise.

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Your God's omnipotence is actually his greatest flaw. Killed by his own perfection. Too much of anything is bad. Your God has too much power which made him illogical.

Your God is sooo powerful that he can't kill himself. He knows so much that he can't be ignorant but if he can't be ignorant, he can't know the experience of being ignorant.

Richirich713:
Omnipotent - Means almighty in power, it doesn't mean the ability to do anything.



It's one of the flaws of being human, I can also not exist, I can also kill myself. God doesn't have any flaws, he's the greatest possible being.

Are you indirectly admitting that there are things your almighty God cannot do?


I also hope that you realise that perfection too is a flaw? Not having any flaw is a flaw in itself?

Richirich713:
Nope I put square circles and 3 sided squares to show u how illogical questions look since it's seems u not familiar with them.

Lol Any human being can break his own arm, any human being can stop existing, that's the flaws of being a human being.

Asking "Can God created a stone so heavy that even he can't move " is logically incoherent. U can't put God's omnipotence against himself

God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.

You made two important statements

1) U can't put God's omnipotence against himself
2) God cannot do the logical impossible dear aka nonsensical logical absurdities.


Here is my reply to those statements

1) You are admitting that God's omnipotence can't look itself in the mirror. This means that it can't stand an unbiased reflection of itself. It can't live up to scrutiny. This is why I say that omnipotence is a self-refuting contradiction. It is impossible to be able to do everything.

2) You said that God cannot do the logically impossible. Creating a rock that you cannot carry is not logically impossible- it is a very easy task for a human being.

Richirich713:
Lol you ain't refuting God ? u refuting urself. It's takes a special kind of ignorance not to see how illogical it is to ask - "can God created a stone so heavy that even he can't move".

It's like asking :

• can an omnipotent being create a square with three sides?
• can an omnipotent being tell u the shape of purple ?
• can an omnipotent being create a square-circle?
• can an omnipotent will himself out of existence?
• "who created God ", in other words " what caused a uncaused thing"

We call such things logical absurdities aka nonsense. Square-circles, 3 sided squares, shape of purple isn't logically coherent, it's just a bunch of words mimicking a actual logical coherent sentence.

One of these things is not like the others

-It is impossible to create a square with 3 sides. A square doesnt have 3 sides
-It is impossible to state the shape of purple. Purple has no shape
-It is impossible to create a square circle. A square cannot be a circle
-It is possible to make a rock that you can't carry. The rock just has to be heavier than your energy


You can see that your analogy is seriously faulty.

Any human being can make a rock that he or she can not carry. It must be heavier than their energy can handle. Square-circles and 3 sided squares are just ridiculous strawmen you put to derail the argument.

urahara:
Waaaw... So the legendary logic boy is a bleach fan too.


1. why have they failed to continue the anime

2. Are u a naruto fan as well .

Bleach has finished naa!

As for Naruto, I gave up on it. After the ninja war in Shipuuden, Naruto became silly.