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italo:
How can you be the one to define what a "better life" is when you think life has no meaning?

How do delusional people end up and what could be wrong with their ending, in a meaningless life?

effectiveness and purpose are two different things.


We do not know the purpose of a tiger but we do know that it is effective at hunting smaller prey. One of the best hunters in the jungle.


A man with a purposeless or meaningless life might be a very wealthy and healthy man. Yet, he still feels empty on the inside.

Ishilove:
This kind of satanic persistence can only be from one user: logicboy!

Stop quoting me LB. I thought I made myself clear months ago?

But.....but....I love you!

italo:
And one is meaningless while the other has meaning?

Atheistic gymnastics!

lol.....


A man in a coma is alive but is he really "living"?


Learn to appreciate the difference

honourhim:
His views and definition of life is limited within our existence in this world and that's why life is meaningless to him and his co-travellers.

[size=18pt]For us christians we know that life transcends this earth[/size]. Eternity awaits every human after we are done here on earth. For most of us christians, our confidence in the life after here is not only that it is in the bible but on very strong personal convictions. I don't beg people to believe. Its a matter of time for each of us to leave this world then the doubters will know whether we are right or wrong.

Nobody can confuse me on something I have strong convictions about. We all came into this world differently and will go differently so I cant sacrifice my convictions on the altar of someone else's.

How do you know that life transcends earth?


Have you been beyond earth?

You ascribe meaning to things which are not there.

italo:
If we are here for no reason or purpose, why must everyone conform to idea of reasoning logically?

Is that their purpose in life?

You are free to be illogical.


The point here is that a well reasoned life is a better life.

We can all see how delusional people end up.

The choice is yours to be sensible

italo:
And it is logical to believe that logic and reasoning just emerged from nowhere...from a chemical reaction?

Who said that?

You love strawmen, dont you?

italo:
My point?

Your point that life is meaningless...is meaningless.

If life were meaningless, reason, logic, would be meaningless.

You believe there is a purpose you are having this meaningful discussion in a purposeless and meaningless life?

You a joker.

"life is meaningless"

^^^
"Life" in the above sentence means "living", "consciousness", "being alive".


If I asked you to describe consciousness and why we are conscious, you wont be able to answer.

But if I asked you what a table is and why tables are made, it is answerable.



The difference here is that man made constructs have meaning because we humans give it meaning. We can put a purpose to many things because we made them- we did them for a reason.


You did not create yourself and no one knows how life came about. If we did, we wouldnt be here debating the meaning of life or the purpose of life.



Logic on the other hand is a tool only humans can use. Many aspects (but not all) of logic are human constructs. In that sense we can apply purpose to some logic.


See the difference?

Ishilove, come and settle this matter.

Do you believe in all what you have posted?

Demons/spirits taking away someone's destiny and then christians having the pray and fast against such demons?

italo:
If meaning of life is up to each individual, why are you here trying to teach us the meaning of life.

Why don't you leave each individual with his own meaning?

Seriously?

JackBizzle:
The chicken came first.....or rather an ancestral bird evolved and developed the ability to lay eggs

Or it could be the egg. If the ancestral bird is not classified as a chicken, it could then be the egg.

A simple view is that at whatever point the threshold was crossed and the first chicken was hatched, it had to hatch from an egg. The type of bird that laid that egg, by definition, was on the other side of the threshold and therefore not a chicken—it may be viewed as a proto-chicken or ancestral chicken of some sort, from which a genetic variation or mutation occurred that resulted in the egg being laid containing the embryo of the first chicken. In this light, the argument is settled and the 'egg' had to have come first. However, whether this was defined as a chicken egg or proto-chicken egg is debatable. So technically the egg came before the chicken, but the chicken may have come before the chicken egg. So it depends on whether the question is "What came first, the Chicken or the egg" or "what came first, the Chicken or the Chicken egg"

lanxlot:
ok, use the theory of evolution to ans that questn. let's see

The chicken came first.....or rather an ancestral bird evolved and developed the ability to lay eggs

sonOfLucifer:
Good trolling.

Or maybe not. Poe's law means that she might not be trolling.

But then, she believes that demons send texts!!!!

https://www.nairaland.com/1469553/demons-send-sms-those-experience/1#18676903

italo:
Oh! So life has begun to have meaning that is not innate afterall.

I fail to see your point.

lanxlot:
oh! spare me

Common sense is sometimes wrong.

Our brains are wired to see patterns as intuitive.....even when such patterns are just illusions or not there.

This is where logic needs to be met with hard evidence.


What comes first? The chicken or the egg?
^^^
Logic and common sense cannot answer the above question. You need the theory of evolution (based on dna and fossil evidence) to answer the question.

honourhim:
You only spoke within the limits of your knowledge. For us christians, logic and reasoning are not the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge.

I know, there is also lying for Christ, having spiritual visions and special dreams to learn about the world.


mtchewwww

lanxlot:
Its not true. ok, tell me the differences between reasoning and common sense. most of the things we hold as to what common sense teaches are flawed. Its Only logical to say....two heads are better than one right? now how about too many cooks spoil the broth if indeed two heads are better than one?

there are logical paradoxes.

sonOfLucifer:
Haha. Ok I get it. They are just clowning.

They were not.....at least one of them wasnt until we started laughing at them

lanxlot:
1, Reasoning and logic ain't d Only effective way of acquiring knowledge bout our universe. u sounded more like Rene Descartes.
2, life sure does have meaning. that is the Reason we are all alive.....those who have lost all hope Or ascribe life as meaningless are those that commit suicide.
3, deriz what we call intelligence in ocean animals. to some theorist, whales are as intelligent as humans....4, ain't u a christian, don't you belief in the resurrection? if I am and I do believe are your responx , then to christians, that's the Meaning of life.

It is refreshing to see a christian use logic.

Now, logic and reasoning are the only effective ways of acquiring knowledge. They limit bias in our research.

mmsen:
The true god of the Nigerian xtian is not the imaginary god of Abraham.

Their god is lucre and status.

Myles Munroe is a man that I had never heard of but I now know he was a man of status and thus a god to the sheep.

This is nothing new but pitiful nonetheless.

Myles Munroe was one of the many christian hustlers

Anything to make profit from his books and christian preaching

malvisguy212:
you are not difference from the islamic clarics who preach hatred.

.....Said the illiterate preacher of christian hate!


Irony abounds

italo:
If life truly has no meaning, then all the above is meaningless.

No?

Life itself has no innate meaning.

That doesnt necessarily mean that it applies to everything we see.

malvisguy212:
babies who died from womb are one particular class of individuals that certainly go to heaven even though they haven't accepted Jesus as Savior. The Bible makes it
clear that infants and children who die go to heaven on the basis of their inability to fully understand the difference between good and evil and make a rational choice. It is likely that older individuals who are, likewise, unable to choose.
Some reasons for reaching such a conclusion are as follows:
1. The Lord Jesus Christ died for all of Adam's race (for all mankind), including every infant that has ever been born. Consider the following study: For Whom Did Christ Die?
2. A person is condemned for rejecting Jesus Christ and for refusing to believe in Him: "He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). An infant is not capable of rejecting Jesus Christ. An infant is incapable of committing the sin mentioned in John 16:9.
3. Those who go to hell in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 are those who have deliberately disobeyed the gospel by refusing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Infants have not willfully disobeyed the gospel. Note: The heathen, who are not under the hearing of the gospel, are condemned for rejecting the lesser revelation that God has given to them (Rom. 1:20-21, etc.). For a detailed study of this see Romans chapter 1. But an infant would also be incapable of rejecting this lesser revelation.
4. Revelation 20:11-15 indicates that all of the unsaved are resurrected to appear before the Great White Throne, and twice it is stressed that each will be judged according to their works. It is doubtful that young infants are included in this evaluation. What evil works has a 6 month old baby committed?
5. Consider the compassionate heart of God for those who are lost: "Who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4--this is God's desire). "Not willing that any should perish" (2 Pet. 3:9). "Even so it is not the will of your Father, who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish" (Matt. 18:14). "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11). While these verses do not refer specifically to infants, they do teach us that the loving and merciful heart of our God desires the salvation of all men.

God did not create this univers to be perfect,God only called it good,the Bible says that God allows
temporary, bounded evil in order to allow free will beings to have the
ability to love and to make
choices.the choices we make may affect other's people.

One logical statement, you did not make at all.


This thread is too philosophical to argue based on only theology. Go preach somewhere else.


If babies that die in the womb or even before an age of reasoning, then they do not get to worship God in this life......which then means that worshipping god is not the purpose of life. One can live a very brief life without even knowing God but yet still go to heaven.

davien:
The only meaning that life shows is simply to pass on your genetic code....and it even messes up at that......
any other meaning while you are alive is up to you.
If you were meant to serve "god" you'd know about it....not be indoctrinated on it...
If you were meant to serve "yahweh" then everyone ever born since antiquity would be christian...
As you can see anyone that serves "god/gods" did so out of indoctrination,influence or "dreams"...not because it is true or anything demonstrate-able..
That is why to the theist,a "fo0l" is anyone that doesn't agree with them..........
Like a child that decides that anyone that doesn't agree with him is "stup1d"

true....even the passing on of genetic codes gets messed up. So many disorders and mutations get involved

Hiswordxray:
You remind me of wise king Solomon, after using his wisdom to examine the essence of life he discovered the everything is "vanity upon vanity ". But at the end of his book "Ecclesiastics " he made an amazing statement "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all."
You are wise but yet a fool because you don't know the true wisdom which comes from reasoning with your heart.

Vanity upon vanity.

Even king Solomon knew that life is nothing but a meaningless material existence

UyiIredia:
Survival: to KEEP ON living

Survival is also a purpose too. A purpose that can be lost when one is depressed and decides to commit suicide.

A meaningless purpose.


Survival is not a purpose. Just like pooing/defecating is not a purpose. They are biological functions

UyiIredia:
Of course the atheist doesn't have to believe life is purposeless. I'm saying the belief is inherently purposeless since its materialistic.

FALSE.

Atheism is not necessarily materialistic. See Buddhism for example.

UyiIredia:
The first and most basic purpose in life. To survive.

That is just plain silly.

Survival is not a purpose. It is instinct. A reflex.

Survival is a biological function and not really a purpose.

If even you are sleeping and I pour water into your mouth, you'd cough it out. One doesnt even have to think about survival.

UyiIredia:
And so. build universities, do charity, run successful businesses etc

Even secular people build universities, do charity and run businesses......yet, some of them feel that life is meaningless

UyiIredia:
That's how silly you are. Even within the Bible men had purpose before Jesus. While certainly Jesus infused a fresh era of grace and love purpose was first established when God breathed his spirit into a lifeless man.

@ bold, what is that first purpose?

blizard44:
....lugubriously less-sensibl at that.

But you know what, they still should be respected.

I see your point

blizard44:
Point he raised He raised no point.

There is what is known as individual difference. Some people like 'A' while others prefer 'B'.
Here, it is examplified in some people being willling to talk about the Preacher's death than the Yobe boys. It's their choice. You can't ramm your choice down their throat. If you just feel they're not getting enough publicity, open a thread re-announcing them and not perstering and prevailing on others to do. They've got their right to think and squat with who they will.

It is sad which one people prioritize though.......some choices are less sensible