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thiendella: Soooo true
And I guess from these totally drastically distinctive and different kind of people the senegalese and the gambians are, all these horrors you mentioned are done exclusively by the gambians.
*humm. relieved*
Good to know , I'm on the senegalese side

Lol. Yeah, I bet they never did anything back in the days in Senegal that would make you shake your head now, huh?

And ask any gambian person if they consider themself to be a senegambian.

thiendella: Lool went quickly trough the whole topic and if I quote you correctly, senegambians are very prone to human sacrifices , walk unclad ,and throw sick babies in the bush just after delivering
So tell me lady, do we practice cannibalism too,
SMH

Talk about talking things out of context..read it again.

And there is not a thing as Senegambians, unless you live on the strip. You are either senegalese, og gambian.

all4naija: I can see where you are coming from. You want people to be like you, that is, choose to be free to do anything they want! There is nothing like absolute freedom to do anything you want,PERIOD! Freedom is not what you think it is. Freedom has limit. It is limited by the very fact that you are not the only human being in existence. If you exist alone your wants can be achieved without restrain by anybody. So, you are seeing it from an absolute perspective, which is not the reality of life. Don't tell me you do whatever you want to do all the time. It is never possible because human want is endless.

Why in the whole wide world getting well dressed is not a progress? Your opinions are based on half-truth. Introvert is not what we should embody as people willing to advanced alone.

Again,getting dressed up in clothes is moving forward. It proves we have moved from one stage of the early men life of unclothed to an advanced stage of putting on clothes knowing fully well what might make us look different from beasts in the bush. I dare you go unclothed in your street and see what the outcome would look like. First and foremost people would think you are insane but it could have been what you wanted. Not only that, it will distract attentions and cause disturbances. Please, for responsible life sake let us embrace progress as humans who evolves from savage forms to a more reasonable advancing society. A society we can differentiate harmful ideas from what are not. Reasonably enough to know the impact of horribly disturbing practice as having tattoos in the mouth and gums. We can see it is not only affecting the person practising it but the society as a whole.

No, cause I have said all the time; as long as you don`t hurt other people. The women in my country who is running around in heels and a top as a dress is not hurting anyone, but I dpn`t think they look good, they look like bullshit in MY eyes. Still, it is their freedom to do so.
The people who stretch different piercings ( ears, lips, tounge and nose ) up to 10cm don`t look good to me either, but it is their freedom to do so.
The people who dress up in clothes to show they belong to a nazi-community ALSO have the freedom to do so, and I hate it.
The people who wear niqabs ALSO have the freedom to do so, even though I believe society is build up on facial interractions.

As long as you are not hurting other people, you should be free to do whatever you wish with your body, hair, clothes, etc.
In my country, you can walk around naked as long as you don`t "act in-decent", which means it is not legal to walk around naked in the streets, but on the beach, your own garden with or without fence, the mountains, etc, etc, you can, if you wish to do so.

I still don`t see how a mouth-tattoo harms the society, and you have still not given a full answer.

all4naija: No, I am not egocentric! I am making my views and I am not against what people do to their bodies. If the choice is to have the tattoos inside the mouth and gums there is nothing wrong about that, but we should not keep accepting things based on culture and excuse of freedom alone. The truth is that peer pressure will make some to take to this disgusting practice thereby creating trouble in other family. You are not seeing the effects this will have on the community yet you are very much about the introvert side of the issue - which is not a very good things also.

We are humans and know that there is no way we can keep to the past as progress and advance. Why are you fighting to have people put tattoos inside their mouth and gums?

Seriously, you are taking this issue out of the ordinary. I don't see anything significant in the practice than it being harmful to people lives. There are people who would use that to pass their savage slur across. I hope to see how this will really pan out in any society. Talk is cheap but the reality is far from it most times.

As to the statement on bold. Yes, it is. It is part of moving forward, which is advancement or progress.

Again; HOW is it a part of moving forward?

And no, you have been saying all along that it is bad for society, it is disgusting, etc, etc. That is YOUR point of view, and you still don`t manage to explain to me WHY it should be left behind, and WHY people should not do it, other than your preference of beauty.

I am fighting for peoples freedom to do whatever they wish to do with their bodies, and not be judged by it. People judge me all the time because of my tattoos, still; I have always gotten the jobs I want, and people have changed their mind after actually talking to me. Why should I change myself, because some people in the society don`t agree with my view of beauty?

all4naija: JallowBah, I know you still don't get. Is unclothed in the bush a thing we must embrace to move forward? We keep begging the question when we know the facts are right at the tip of our noses.

Allowing a thing as harmful and disgusting as having tattoo inside the mouth and gums is disturbing. Not only that, it is ridiculous in almost all ramification. When talking about freedom, I am always at the forefront to ask for one because there is nothing that can be traded for freedom in the whole wide world. But, using freedom as an excuse to harm oneself and the society is unacceptable. Indeed, it is very unreasonable of any human to engage in such a thing.

To be a spoiled person who wants to indulge all forms of delinquent deposition is a bad thing also. We must move forward and let the primitive past be history and embrace the future for the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wJjEcVl6PqY#!

If it is something like what is on the video I don't disagree with, when it becomes a part of people on a daily routine that is where I beg to differ.

Still, you don`t want it because in YOUR eyes, it is a bad thing. Freedom for me means I am free to do whatever I wish to do with MY body. It is my skin to tattoo, not yours. It is my pain, not yours. And it is MY beauty, not yours. What you fail to understand, is that your feelings are egoscentric, but you are covering up under "the society". I don`t care if one or 100 people find my tattoos, bodyart, hair or style ugly or nasty, or "a shame to society". It is ME, not you, or them. As long as I can take care of myself, and I know I do it out of free will, why do you still believe it is a harm...? WHERE is the harm?

And; is being naked in the bush something we must get rid of to move forward...?

kandiikane: Uh huh.

"Just because many of them are"

Wooooow!

You know anyone living in Norway? Ask them what 90% of the naija-boys walking around in an area called Brugata is working on, honey. I used to see them every damn day. Still, it does not mean ALL of them do so, unless you see them doing it openly, which many of them are stupid enough to do.

It was an example, put on the edge.

all4naija: Seriously, you misunderstood me all along. I never opted for people to be all the same and I know life never worked that way. What I am saying is that it can still be traditional things we reference during culture shows through interraction in fake and healthy practices. Not this kind that look way horrible to do on daily bases. Indeed, we keep begging the question when we know how long this has been in existence yet has not be embraced by the public.

There is need to look at the effects and for those willing to practice them can all do so on by being aware of them, do it on their own volitions and face the consequences. It is not just because of freedom sake we should hide the truth of this matter, which is, it is harmful and disgusting to look at. It might not be disgusting to some but it surely is to many. On that note you advocate for this practice, and I beg to be different. Human beings can not be all the same is not enough excuse to accept this inside mouth and gum tattooing. Would you find somebody walking unclothed on the street Okay? If I may ask. In the past people go unclothed as part of their culture. Let us not overlook some certain things and ignore their consequential effects. If we should continue in your views on this matter it only proves one thing that, it is better some part of human can be allow to wallop in the past while others progress, moving forward by doing away with things that are irrelevant.

As a reminder of your conjectures I have this to say, there were times when men were more living like bush animals. Things of the past are usually refer to as histories. There are reasons why we have museum and cultural shows. And, we should allow them to be just that way and move on.

To conclude it all, with your views you are systematically harming the society unknowingly.

But why is it so wrong to do, just because you find it UGLY? I don`t get that. At all.

And there are people, even in the bush in west-africa, walking around almost naked in the bush. If I was up there, I would join them in on that. Much more comfortable.
Women in the western society walk around almost naked to the clubs, so why not.

...how am I harming the society..?

Sounds more like he is depressed, and using the weed as a way of "getting away" from it, like many people do. The problem is that if you are depressed, drinking/smoking heavily will make it worse.

There really is not any way of you to get him to stop, he need to see that himself. But, it sounds to me like he has actually raped you a few times..? Married or not, no means no, and need to be respected. Not having money for "everything the other kids get" is not something I personally see as important, but when your kids don`t even get a birthdaygift BECAUSE he smokes it away..well, that is crossing a big line.

Have you sat down with him and talked about this? Have you asked him what the reason for him being so stressed is? Have you asked him to try to cut it down to f.ex two times a day? ( Weed is not very expensive. If you cant even buy your kids a birthdaygift, that means you smoke much, all day, every day. )