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spikesC: Chai, na so this thread don reach

pls lets close this matter. Javanian, i get your point quite well. Those languages are very good to be used as introductory languages, but if used and thought with best practices.

You do not really know the extent of archaic teaching been perpetuated in the Nigerian universities. If you do you wouldnt have been arguing with asalimpo

Most lecturers do not know "hello world", not to talk of OOP
They just reiterate what they see in an ebook they copied 50yrs ago. This is not an exageration. I have seen this first hand. It is not a hearsay.

I have a close friend who is gonna be graduating this year in computer Engineering. After 5 years, the guy do not know what a variable is.

It is not just him, it is all of them. The few who accepted their demise had to engage in outside training. Others, ignorantly, do not know what they've been missing.

What most of them do, just to get into the 21st century IT is blogging
But then, they do not know how to setup blogs from scratch. Na blogger be the saviour

We need a total overhaul of our educational sector
We are concurrently churning out thousands of certified ignorant illiterates every year. Ignorant in the sense that they do not even know that they know nothing

asalimpo: php,perl,even java (for anonymous classes), ADA have a dollar sign but while these languages hav different philosophies, theyre standardzg on certain conventions.
The dollar sign comes before d identifier.
No mainstream programmg language of d past 20yrs uses uppercase. It's considered unsightly, neither do they place dollar signs AFTER identifiers.
Blocks are delimited with fewer characters (space,(,),{,} etc) and so on. This is d evolution of programming languages and its considered better than its ancestors.

Java has GOTO but in all languages its deprecated (considered bad practce). How many programmers and open source project dyu actvely know usg deprecations like GOTO?

asalimpo: The BASIC thought in schools isnt modern basic,Vb, but d archaic old wrld kind. Ridden with primitivity.
At source level,GOTO, IS considered bad. But teachg programmg with these archaic languages students will b fed this bad practce.
Fortran has oop version,so does pascal, provg tht this languages had to grow to improve versions to still b relevant. If there were no defects theyd b no need for improvements. So if old school fortran has improved versions wat justification does the highest centers of learng in our country hav for usg the more defectve versions for teachg?

asalimpo: basic has dollar signs after variable declaration!, line numbers - mandatory or your program will no run.

since you advocate this. Y dont you advocate the teachers teaching students with the computers that were in voque when
this languages were reigning?! Y not. those computers had keyboards,cpu's,ram,hard disk,monitors, if you tried hard they were even portable? Y not advocate it.? you'd advocate using modern systems right?
logical thinking indeed.

using System;
 
namespace goto_statement
{
  class Program
   {
     static void Main(string[] args)
      {
        string name;
 
        label: //creating label with colon(
 
        Console.WriteLine("Enter your name:";
        name = Console.ReadLine();
 
        Console.WriteLine("Welcome {0}", name);
 
        goto label; //jump to label statement           
      }
   }
}

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
 
int main ()
{
   // Local variable declaration:
   int a = 10;

   // do loop execution
   LOOP:do
   {
       if( a == 15)
       {
          // skip the iteration.
          a = a + 1;
          goto LOOP;
       }
       cout << "value of a: " << a << endl;
       a = a + 1;
   }while( a < 20 );
 
   return 0;
}

<?php 
 goto a;
 echo 'Hello';
 
 a:
 echo 'Goodbye';
 ?>

asalimpo: You dont know how to argue neither do you know how to access a critique objectively. I'll answer you points one by one.

what are basic programming concepts? define the vague terms ur using to justify the sustenance of mouldy university curriculums.

looping
threading
assignment
variable declaration
programming blocks
scope
conditionals
modularity (dividing code into blocks )
returning a value
data types
compiling a program


These are concepts better taught or better understood when taught in an older language?
that is the only justification for using these old technologies.

These concepts can't be better taught or better relayed using a more recent language . recent here doesnt mean
in the last 2 years but in the last 20 years.?

A lecturer cant read up on developments in the last 20 years cuz older is better and you're trying to justify this junk.

Every aspect of technology has changed in the last 20 years . what was once an advanced concept is now basic ?

and yet, you justify mouldiness.
grow up.

asalimpo: Comg from a country and continent tht is not leadg d pack ,ur explanation may pass otherwise it doesnt hold.
If d nigerian universities ar starved for ideas, they cud simply copy wat their contemporaries in frst wrlds ar doing.
The title of ths post says frst wrld unis are switchg frst languages. Y dont they buy ur/9ja uni logic and stck with 40/50 yr old obsolete languages?

Languages tht teach deprecated concepts like goto ,

begin/end/endif for block delimiters when universally,
shorter symbols hav come to stay
{}.

Languages, tht ddnt handle recursion!, languages tht used unsightly UPPERCASE words for evry thng and line numbers in increments of 10s. Is this education or mutilation?

Languages students cnt go online and buy books on or download compilers on?

Wat concept is being conveyed in ths deprecated rusty langs tht cudnt b conveyed in a mainstream language ?

asalimpo: which is exactly wat i'm sayg.
More and more software is written to abstract more and more of d complexity away from from d average developer so tht the everyday dev, is more or less a component assembler.
This backbone/foundation software is where all the hard math is. Except ur writg domain specifc software and dnt know how to google for plugins ,framewrks,or hate readg source codes api's the heavy math has been taken care of-most of d time.

Average software dnt need math no more. Business software needs zero math. Just common sense aka logc.

you wanna store data - there are free sql and no-sql databases out there. With corporations hiring armies of born-to-code humanoids to wrk on them.
You want write ur own? Feel free but it will not b as feature rich and will take a slice of ya life to do so.

Operatg systems? Fogetaboudit
compilers?
Audiocodecs ?
Symbolic manipulators? - matlab, mathematica, octave,maple,etc abound

math is useful and good to know but if ur wrk dnt require it,you may just b filling ur garage with byutfl junk?
Tht microfinance bankg software , supermarket software,school manager, web page scraper, dont care for calculus , discrete math or such.
So y wud a smart dev waste his time learng stuff he'll never use more thn twce in a 30 year+ career?
The smart dev shud b adept at learng new material on a need-to-use basis. Instead of fill his head with high soundg,but useless (to his career/job) concepts.

losprince: our com 112 lecturer finished dictating the note from his phone... screams "ASSIGNMENT NUMBER 15!" smiling, he dictates the question-"these assignment I'm giving you people will help you know the subject" subject? he is calling the course a subject.. with a mean face he says "make sure you write your text book serial number or else..." walks out of the class...


and that is how we are taught

asalimpo: There is no excuse for this other thn laziness and apathy.
If their counterparts in other countries are writg textbooks in mainstream programming languages alongside keepg their jobs wat does does a nigerian lecturer have to say?
The languages in use are over 40+yrs old. You cant get current textbooks on them. How old must it b in a fast changg field where new languages are created evry year and updated every month (in some case)?
Students shud push against this crap theyre being spoonfed.

Java is almost 20 years old. Scala almost 8, clojure around 6, c++ almost 30,python 24 . How long would it take a lecturer to learn a mainstream langauge enuff to teach it and upgrade a mouldy curriculum?
A year(at most at a very lazy pace).
There's no valid excuse.

asalimpo: there's everythg wrong with teachg Basic. EvRY THING WRONG.
the only reason this nonsense can go on in Nigerian Institutions is because Lecturers get away with too much slackness. What does it take a H.O.D to browse d net,see d trends and revise the departments curriculum?

dhtml: When i was telling someone just a few days back that they should not be counting qbasic, fortran as programming languages because they are profitless, there was argument.
Even the Nigerian students themselves, most of them dont research and dont know their left from their right.

dhtml: It counts actually, but . . . for a professional profile?

spikesC: second part, java and c++ being wrong

asalimpo: Most developers dont need higher maths.
How much math do web devs, need?
How much math do 99.9% of business software need?
To create a web server,erp system, web browser, accountg,legal,cybercafe ,school ,supermarket,text editor etc software how much math dyu need?
To write nairaland how much math is needed?
How much math is needed for compilers and parsers? Many hav been written without maths just plain old common sense and arithmetcs(primary/high school math).

It is all relatve.
For d most case math-heavy software is developed by major software corporation to make application developers use even less math for their work e.g
compilers, mathlab,maple (for math),autocad (CAD) software, game egines (Unity,Unreal), windowg systems, (Os dependent), sorting (as libraries in language).

spikesC: how, pls elaborate

GideonG: In Nigeria they are still teaching Basic Programming language in introductory computer science.
We are so 1979! They world has moved forward.

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dhtml: I also dont count qbasic, fortran, pascal, assemble,cobol as programming languages.

sisqology: sorry bro