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Kobojunkie:
I have used and continue to use MS office and after evaluating it for months, I find it worth the money for me.

Months evaluating M$ Office? it takes a first look to know Open Office in and out

On vista I agree with you. My boss had the same views.And if you just a user no problem.Its only when you are a super user that problems arises.Or when you security issues start starring you in the face.

My boss will never look upon Vista again, he prefers his Win XP now

I know u too will come to respect WinXP

@kobojunkie

Looking at your post and the message under it, i want to believe you have something against linux, i dont have that againt you, i also was an hater of free software or open source software, but time changed all that.

Talking about M$ Office I wonder what you liked about it, if I have to start looking for File menu on my new software whereas its VERY Obviuos on the hold one, then I wonder,
If my new software will make me loose tons of the work I have done in my old software(Now this is a rare case with M$ Office, but It has happened), then once again I wonder,
If I have to pay for what I can get for free, then again I wonder
If what is free has more functionalities than what is paid for, I keep wondering,
If what if free has several plugins I can get for free and use as i like and what is paid for is licensed to remove my rights, then once again I wonder,
If what is free takes less space on my hdd, eats less memory and does better than what I pay for, oh I wonder,
What if what is paid for has an habit of changing the way things look so much that I have to learn new things with every new release, then I wonder,
If what is paid for tries as much as possible to tie me to paying for every new release even when the old releases performs better, I keep on wondering,

My last question is this, why offer a FEE for what you can get for FREE?

@java love
Long live M$

@tomx
According to Simpson's law (Hommer Simpson that is): Anything that is difficult to do is not worth doing!

I guess u are not a programmer, programming is anything but easy sir

I am a programmer and I am not set to waste my time learning to use Linux. I've got more productive things to do.

I said the same thing 2 years before I found out M$ windows sucks, sorry when u get to that bridge u will cross it, i've been dr too sir.

No Offense meant.

@java prince

JOKER: Have you ever seen a real human being using Microsoft Windows Vista
ANSWER: No, Only dummies

@all
Just Kidding

@tomX tx God for your life, but remember there are other guys who dont even know what option to check or remove, and when the software says "If you dont know what to do(i.e if you are an average user, it does not mean you are a dummy) leave the default settings they work just fine" wot do you do?

So its not for tech guys like us to judge, I am talking about my customers who called me and told me my software is making their system slow and when I checked its just one of their softwares that is d problem,

Or when a customer calls you that your software has caused virus to enter his system and when u checked someone, oh sorry some software has told him, if you dont turn off your firewall, I wont work, do you want to turn it off, lemme ask you if you are an average computer user, will you keep firewall or will you install iTunes?

ciao

@java prince

sorry about ur hdd, but i tot i warned you dont i? really pitiable, i can imagine what u felt, it happened to me also, i call it my first linux experience

@javaprince

we cant move to nairaland, there are so many reasons for that, we better get our own forum

@java love
tx for replying on time, i am kinda busy

@all
see the new netbeans plugin i built, its on yahoogroup,

I said "let me be kind and not talked about Vista." but after two requests I can't but talk about it

First if you are really pissed about vista, go join this group of people http://badvista.fsf.org/ they have started a move to blasting Vista outa the PC world to PC Hell where it belongs.

Next you need to read this post, the concluding part is what i like most
"Why is it that using a network to share files is too insecure for Microsoft to allow family members to do -- but it's perfectly safe to plug in USB keys that contain who-knows-what?"
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/gizmos/2008/01/how-bad-is-vist.html

If you gat time read this too http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows_1.html its a long one though

Vista Vista Vista, I don't think any other bloatware can come up in 10 years that will beat this piece of shit in bloatisome, Vista we have given u a medal because you have won the competition for the Bloatiest of bloats.

Why I don't like Vista, I can write for ages, but these are a few reason

Security problems.
Just as it claimed with Windows XP five years ago, Microsoft says Vista is the most secure Windows version yet. That’s true, given the company’s dismal security record. Yet, as I write this, Microsoft is rushing out an emergency patch for a Vista flaw that, as Windows Update says, “could allow an attacker to compromise your Windows-based system and gain control over it.” That threat wording sounds exactly the same as the old Windows XP PC.

Don’t count on third-party security programs to protect Vista yet, either. Vista doesn’t work with many of them, forcing the security companies to write them from scratch. ZoneAlarm’s firewall still isn’t compatible. At least Windows XP’s third-party security programs come with five years of real world experience.

Aero display confusion.
Some reviewers glow about Vista’s Aero “glass” interface, which places glossy transparent borders around every window. All that prettiness brings an unpleasant side-effect, unfortunately. Transparent borders mean that the active window – the one you’re currently working with – blends in with the rest of the pack. Put two Aero windows side by side and look for yourself: With no colored strip across the top, the active window’s only earmark is a tiny red box in its upper right corner.

To turn off Aero, right-click the desktop and choose Personalize. Click Theme, and switch to Windows Classic. Nope, it’s not as pretty, but it’s more efficient. Besides, Windows Classic is the only theme that works on most laptops, which lack the graphics horsepower to handle Aero.

User Account Control nags.
Microsoft certainly grabs your attention with its new User Account Control alerts. Whenever you do something requiring administrative rights – installing a new font, for example – Vista darkens the screen and asks for your permission to continue. And you sometimes have to click a zillion dialog boxes before you can continue

Sure, this drama makes your PC more secure, as it makes people think before doing something potentially dangerous. But it will also annoy most people to the point of turning it off, defeating its purpose.

To dump User Account Control, click the user photo atop your Start menu, and choose Turn User Account Control On or Off.

Hidden display settings.
Tasks that were so easy in Windows XP become cumbersome in Windows Vista. To change the display settings in Windows XP, for example, you right-click the desktop and choose Properties. The Display Properties window appears, letting you choose a new theme or click tabs for changing your background, screen saver, appearance or resolution.

Vista added an onion of layers to do the same thing: Right-clicking the desktop and choosing Personalize doesn’t let you do anything – except fetch the Control Panel’s options for controlling the things Windows XP offers up front. (And, for some reason, Display Settings, the most frequently accessed option, appears at the bottom of the list.)

What about network access and control, leave that as talk for another day.

Missing folder menus.
While cluttering the Control Panel, Vista cleaned up the folder window. Unfortunately, they did so by removing the menus. That’s right: Window menus, depended upon by a generation of PC owners, now lay hidden behind a press of the Alt key.

To bring back the folder menus, choose Start -> Control Panel -> Appearance and Personalization -> Folder Options -> Use Classic Windows Options, and click OK.

No off switch.
Years ago, turning off a PC was as simple as pushing a button. Vista transforms that simple task into two shortcut icons and an arrow that fetches a seven-option menu. It’s a rare PC owner who wants to ponder menu options when he tries to leave his PC.

Why not take mercy on the average PC owner and make Vista’s Off button actually turn off the PC? Leave the other options for tech hounds to add with a trip to the Control Panel.

Lack of drivers.
Vista still lacks drivers for lots of hardware, perhaps because of a lack of Vista enthusiasm among vendors. To be fair, Windows XP also suffered a dearth of drivers after its release. But you could usually download a Windows 2000 driver that worked just as well in XP. Vista lacks that safety net, leaving loads of equipment bound for the landfills as Vista owners replace equipment that worked fine with Windows XP.

Forced software upgrades.
During the tech boom, people felt obligated to upgrade their software with each new version. Nobody wanted to be left behind on the tech curve. Today, people realize they can crop a photo just as easily with last year’s version of Paint Shop Pro as the latest version. Unfortunately, Vista sucker punches its owners into buying Vista versions of their software because hundreds of Windows XP software packages won’t run under Vista.

No Killer App.
So, what pressing reason drives us to Vista besides the fact that it’s finally arrived? There really isn’t one. In fact, most people encounter Vista simply because they find it preinstalled on their new PC.

These are just a few reasons keeping me from booting Vista on an everyday basis; there are many more.

Maybe I’ve been spoiled by Windows XP and the slew of free programs that prop it up so well. Firefox, and its hundreds of extensions outshine Internet Explorer and its meager add-ons. (Firefox users were protected from Vista’s latest security problem, as well.) Google’s Desktop Search works just as well or better than Vista’s newly enhanced search.

And do I forget to say that Vista is as fast as a snail?

we are using this opportunity to invite more people to join the JUG, tx

candylips:
If you are not developing EJBs (i wonder who does that this days) you are better off with a very simple servlet container like tomcat.

A lot of people are doing that sir, companies rely on EJB sir, and I wonder what kind of Java Server Side one does without EJB , just kidding

I've stuck my guns with Java App Server, but I am begining to look at glassfish(I dont av a choice really) because I am building SIP Servlets and the best java app server for SIP is sailfin and sailfin is built on glassfish

Glassfish----Java App Server---Websphere----Tomcat------Just get the work done and make your customer happy

my 2 cents

ciao

Adobe Reader

What does Adobe Reader do? Displays PDF pages. How does it do it? With as much bloody-minded bureaucracy, delay and needless interaction as possible. Perhaps it's because we humans have been spoiled by books, where the gap between wanting to read something and reading it is as short as the time taken to lift the cover. But Reader's incessant updates (demanding you reset your computer — why?), thundering great list of modules to load, and hour-glass-provoking pauses for thought have given Portable Document Format a reputation for being as welcome as a flatulent camel in the kitchen.

Which is a shame, because other lightweight PDF readers seem to manage perfectly well.

Apple
Oh, Apple. You created a domain where humans came first. You took usability and distilled it into an art form. Now look at you. iTunes is a music player the size of a fat-bottomed whale that gobbles resources like krill. It spends half its time trying to sell us stuff and the other half trying to stop us using it. But that's not as bad as your auto-update policy: slipping us stealth copies of Safari under the cover of important version updates to iTunes and Quicktime — what is this, Make Microsoft Look Good like a saint Undecided?

Windows Update
Your machine will reset in four minutes. Your machine will not shut down until these five updates are installed. You must restart your machine now. You will install Microsoft Genuine Advantage. Please wait while these updates are installed. Please shut down all applications before applying this update. Pop! New updates are ready to be installed. And now that we've stopped you doing whatever it was you were doing (like we care), shall we go ahead and install them now, or would you rather be interrupted yet again later?

lemme be kind and not talked about Vista.

RealPlayer
If this software turned up at your door, you'd call the police. RealPlayer commits just about every sin in the book, sprinkling itself across your desktop and offering 'Free games!'. It installs a 'Message Center' that tells you about microcelebrities. There is more advertising embedded in the application than used to be on the front page of The Times. And you just wanted to stream Tu Face.

We were given software to install. 'Disable your firewall', it commanded. 'Drop dead', we replied.

Java
Now you dont think I will spare my language of choice right? No hard feelings java, just saying the truth

Java doesn't do anything by itself. It's a programming language. Programming languages are like sewage plants: if the average user becomes aware of them, something's gone wrong.

Java doesn't know this. Java wants to be in your face. Java wants to be updated. Java wants to tell you the good news about Sun. Have you heard about Sun? Here's a nice picture of our logo. And fancy a copy of OpenOffice? No? Well, never mind. Java's installed a copy of Yahoo Toolbar in your browser instead. Because that's what programming languages are there to do, right

Yahoo
And talking of Yahoo. Please stop. Please stop trying to take over my email, my search engine, my home page. Please stop 'updating' your IM client to include more emoticons, animations, noises and whatnot — or at least have the good grace to produce a grown-ups' edition I can use at work without feeling like I should still be reading Super Comics. And yes, when I ask to exit the software, that's because I really want to, not because I'm having a crisis of doubt.

And there is absolutely no point in a toolbar that just replicates all the options on your web site's front page. Not unless you want to come across as the sort of shrill, desperate, needy software company that makes big noises about user relationships but in fact knows less about its users than the President know about AJ. City

Norton Antivirus
It's a little unfair to pick on Norton Antivirus and make it carry the sins of half the desktop malware industry — but only a little unfair. If ever a class of software deserved to be cast into the lower reaches of Hell and run on Satan's own desktop, it is this. Performance- sapping, space-hogging, noisy, irritating and prone to inducing just as many problems as they purport to solve, these horrible, ineffective, expensive lumps of digital thuggery keep entire platoons of support engineers in business and home users in tears. We know. We get the phone calls. Mc.Cafe please dont rejoice you are Nortons brother of the same mother!

Preinstalled software bundles
After quarter of a century of the IBM PC, we still don't understand why so many companies feel obliged to create swathes of below-par software to install on the computers they sell. Notebook makers are the worst, and Sony the king of them all: the first job for any new VAIO owner is to strip out the layers of desktop 'enhancements', media 'managers' and system 'control software' that serve only to get in the way of doing things the way you know how to do them, interfere with other software packages and suck up such enormous amounts of resources on start-up that two weeks after you've bought one, you're still not sure whether it's broken or not.

Outlook/Exchange
Free, web-based email systems have more storage than you can use. They have powerful, accurate, swift search systems. They have clean interfaces, with threaded conversations and sane attachment management.

Then there's Microsoft's Outlook. Things have been getting better for those whose corporate upgrade strategy allows it, but with major updates happening every four years or so that's a long time to be looking at a non-threaded, licence-restricted storage- squeezed, treacle-slow-searching email system. Especially while the online services get better and better, and doubly so now that email is the single most important business application ever created.

Flash
There's nothing wrong with Flash, provided you don't use it to construct web sites where people want to find information, navigate easily or do anything beyond passively consume exactly what you choose to give them in exactly the way you've decided.

There's also nothing wrong with using it for a splendid splash screen replete with movies, sound and animation — if you don't mind frustrating, annoying and possibly even driving away people who might, just might, have something better to do.

In fact, Flash-based web sites are quite possibly one of the most useful pieces of network technology around. Like heroin or microlights, they ensure that those who think it's a good idea aren't around to annoy us for too long.

Has anyone used the Visual Studio .NET before,

Look I am not here to slight u or something, but when I hear anyone or anything compare Netbeans with other IDEs I get a bit personal

First, VS.NET lost because its not even cross platform, Netbeans runs on anything that is an operating system, beat that

So if you have a problem with Netbeans and u think M$ does anything better than anybody, go ahead and stick your guns with them, I betcha u never heard that Indonesian government is paying $170,000 to M$ because they use fake M$ products in the country, Nigeria is next, and then u wont be able to buy fake VS.NET from Alaba anymore, lemme see how u get the money to pay for VS.NET

Softwares have bugs, and if there's one software that's full of bugs its Vista, believe me M$ is trying to shift to what has been on Mac and Solaris since I was born and it wont be easy for him, before Win XP which is d next stable windows after 98, can u count how many Wins we have, NT,ME,98Plus,2000,2003, i see d same trends here man, Vista is another Windows ME

Your problem therefore is probably with Vista and not with Netbeans, try using another OS (I recommend Linux ) I use SuSE 10.3 and I gat no problems

Seeing is believing right? Here is a screenshot for you attached

Lastly if you are really a programmer, how do u cope with having to click 21 times to run a single program on Vista , just kidding

ciao

I tx u all, i am glad that d idea sold, its tym we Nigerians learn 2 do collective work, we can't stand alone and hope to achieve much, I will like as many pple dt are interested to join d yahoo group asap and start posting messages, ideas and the likes, God is on our side,

ciao

Naija Man, because u are not paying for the font size abi?, i know say if una dey pay your font size for be like this, Anyway please use smaller fonts

ciao

Hi Java Prince,
I would love to help but presently I am in Abuja and I have left lag for such a long tym that I have lost touch with some of my contacts, If you dont mind Abuja though I could begin to push some buttons,

I will also prefer if this type of Conversation is held on the yahoo group page ok?

I will send u a mail that will allow u to register as an admin on the blog

ciao

Hello Bassie,
Its not enough to be down with the idea, we need to otake steps, I think we should form a community and that is what the yahoo group is for, lets all go ahead and register on the group, post our latest findings and try and put up materials especially for the java wanabies, as of now any question or post that is raised in the group is being answered by me alone, this should not be the case, let others(like you) also join the group and answer to posts, when the community is large and strong enuf we can begin to think of how we hold our monthly meetings, there are a lot of things we can do and I tell you if only we can co-operate, the sky is our limit

Anyway thanks for the reply

ciao

Hello,
I know Java guys would be more than elated to hear the news, we already have about ten members since three days ago when I started the campaign, concerning the Netbeans Free DVD, you can as well join the Yahoo Group http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/java_and_nigerian_developers/ and post the good news there, my contacts at Sun will be more than elated to see that the group is active(one of them is actually a Nigerian), hope you went through my blogs, if you want to blog about netbeans, I could add you as an Administrator, the blog is already listed at planetnetbens, I am only awaiting approval,

Thanks once more

Cool stuff u did back then, but i guess Nigeria is not ready for such a thing back then, i guess now is d time and it will be the responsibilty of all java programmers and wannabies,

lets chat trinisoftinc@yahoo.com

you can take the first steps and join the yahoo group,

ciao

There are no super-programming-languages, we only have super-programmers, it depends on what you can do with it, see this post and you will understand what I mean http://ladokites.net/forum/index.php?topic=92.0

my 2cents

[b]
Hey guyz, I want to Introduce a new group I have just started to you, Its called JAND(Java and Nigerian Developers), I was moved to start this group because the only of such groups we have in Africa is in SA, if such a group should get Sun's Approval here in Nigeria, then we will also be able to host Java Tech Week(one week of hosting Java Developers and Evangelists from all over the world), I have contacts within Sun who have given me assurance that if we could record progressive activities within the group then, they could help speed up the approval process, I have created a yahoo group just for this purpose, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/java_and_nigerian_developers/ and those interested in either learning Java or those that are already Java Gurus could join, this is what is expected of us

[list]
[li]We host monthly meetings, either online or in one of the groups home[/li]
[li]We develop programs/apps using Netbeans and other Java Technologies[/li]
[li]We blog and write about these technologies and our discoveries, you can check out http://trinisoftinc..com[/li]
[li]We also develop plugins for Netbeans[/li]
[/list]

And many more things we can do to contribute to the language of choice, JAVA

For motivation you guys can read http://www.netbeans.org/community/articles/interviews/ifnu-bima-indonesia-nug.html

And for my own personal contribution you can also read the topic by Akintayo Olusegun Don, Java Developer, Access Solutions, Nigeria on http://www.netbeans.org/switch/realstories.html

That is d only post by a Nigerian there

If you are also interested you can become an administrator on the http://trinisoftinc..com it is already listed in Netbeans and after approval all our posts will appear here http://planetnetbeans.org/

For more info contact me on trinisoftinc@gmail.com or 2348089370313

ciao
[/b]

Netbeans, sweet sweet netbeans, why will someone ever compare both, the only difference between Eclipse and Notepad++ is code-completion , besides can anyone do it better than the owners(a yoruba proverb), if you want to see the beauty of Netbeans and the sloppiness of Eclipse start from GUI design, can eclipse ever compete with matisse? the GUI engine in Netbeans, till date there are even no free GUI tool for eclipse, even the one they sell relies heavily on SWT instead of SWING, take both IDE's tear them apart function by function and you will realise eclipse sucks, and to this guy

javadevil:
, But for mobile application development and J2EE i'll advice eclipse.

sorry but have u tried the Netbeans mobility GUI builder at all, where you build mobile apps by Drag n Drop? can eclipse match such a thing, I started java development with Notepad then I moved to KAWA IDE, then to JEdit, then to JBuilder(powerful IDE not free), then I tried IDEA(powerful not free) then comes sweet sweet Netbeans(powerful and free), eclipse is just HYPE, I think some of you should take a look at this, http://www.netbeans.org/switch/realstories.html those are real stories,

You can't seem to beat that, can u?