₦airaland Forum

Mrs.Chima:
Listen to your lonely man Big Fool! He wants your attention and spend more time offline with him.

Go suck your man...he sounds frustrated and lonely.

Mrs.Chima:
I take that back Jay...Robin came to defend his battyman....so two of them wear the helmet!

Mrs.Chima:
Aww BigFool brought his gayman online!

Jay...clench your azz!

Mrs.Chima:
I know Igbos have distinct looks but no way he will be able to fool the embassy photographically.

He is prolly the only Igbo with a Jerry Lewis helmet.

bigfrancis21: Why are you scared of dropping the real details here? Let me see if smarter Africans who stumble on this thread won't rip you off your saved government assistance dollars.

slimmy05: Dude, you're being childish for saying such about bigfrancis. You don't even know him. You're acting like a little girl. I think you need a tampon.

Mrs.Chima:
He said he is in America and studying in Maryland.

We can be all we want online!

bigfrancis21: What??

Madam, you had better shut it! Your crass ignorance is appalling!

Radoillo: Wow. I thought I was having fun discussing what I enjoy most. History and linguistics. Didn't know all along someone whose contributions I have really enjoyed thought I was a fake. Not to mention jobless...

bigfrancis21: He has even turned around and started claiming you to be me!

Honestly, up until now I took Jay to be an objective person. Despite the few front-and-back arguments we've had in the past, I didn't resort to calling him names. He suddenly started showing us the other side of him. I never knew he was like this. What suddenly came over him?

Radoillo: You are better than Kwame. I think you are too smart for this. That quote up there comes across like ethnic stereotyping. Not cool. I wonder how we can be commenting on this thread, at the same time if we are the same person.

bigfrancis21: Look at him denying. You just called me a fool and a liar! Nice of you! All in the bid to win the internet battle.

Look who claims he has Igbo ancestry calling his fellow Igbo brother arrogant, tribalist, stupid, a fool and a liar.

If I remember clearly, i've not said one derogatory term towards you despite all he false claims you've made and the mistakes you've made. Here you are already calling me 5 of them. Keep them coming.



Anybody with a simple grasp of English knows that there are implied statements in English language.

From the bolded, its clear YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE MEANING OF RACISM and here you are trying so hard to deny what you claimed. Resorting to the use of profanity just to deny yourself.

bigfrancis21: Direct that to your Barbadian brother. Don't act like you didn't see his post below:


@Bold...my dear how can you say there is racism between africans and african americans who, the last time I checked, are both blacks?
How can a black be a racist to another black? Have you forgotten what race is and what racism also is?

Have you now resorted to making up incorrect statements just to back up your already weakened point-of-view, just like Kails?

Radoillo: I don't get it. A few short hours ago, you both were really getting along.

bigfrancis21: He just finished calling me a tribalist. Now he calls me arrogant!

@Bold...tell me why won't I ask you what that word means when you don't know the simple meaning of racism where you claimed that Africans are racists to African Americans, both groups of which the last time I checked are both blacks



ITS VERY CLEAR YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE MEANING OF RACISM. HERE YOU ARE AGAIN USING 'TRIBALISM' WRONGLY.

NOW WHEN HAS A SIMPLE QUESTION BECOME ARROGANCE??

DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE OFFENDED BY JUST THAT SIMPLE QUESTION??

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? THAT TRIBALISM CAUSED THE SLAVE TRADE? OMG!!!!

bigfrancis21: Yea sure. You ride the fence real good. Ms. Fula was right about that.

Exactly. I wrote an article pointing out the heroic strength of those Igbo AAs who found themselves in perilous times but yet made it despite all odds. I saw the modern Igbo characteristics clearly playing out in their lives and decided to extol their bravery. I am Igbo. Yea. A proud one for that matter. If I decide to support the Igbo cause does that make me tribalistic? Do you know what that even means?

My article should serve as a stimulus to you to write about AAs of other ancestry who back then during slavery displayed characteristics known of them now. I enjoin you to do the same.

As for the welfare part, I wasn't wrong about that. Even two AA sisters admitted to it and I pointed out clearly that that was pure laziness. One has to be up and doing in life. I then used Africans in US to compare to AAs to buttress my point and show you what I meant.

As for the AA non-contribution to science, I never said anything like that. You're clearly accusing me of something I never said. And yea, I did say that over 90% of US development came from non-blacks and I wasn't wrong about that. You were bragging about flag creation by one Marcus Garvey to which I replied that its not that much of an achievement to brag about. I clearly remember asking you, 'why don't we try something scientific?' I clearly wanted you people to show me the stuff you're made of. Read to understand, rather than twist facts.

You sure have a truck load of wrong statements and accusations which you've made. I still remember them clearly.

I was rather expecting you to quote my posts. Instead you came up with pretty accusations.

Mrs.Chima:
Bless your heart Jay.

bigfrancis21:

Funny guy. You want to start an argument, the same very argument you called useless.

Entertain yourself.

bigfrancis21: @Jayvarley

Show me how I have promoted tribalism?

Can you please quote those my posts let me see?

The fact that you and I don't agree on the origin of Obeah doesn't suddenly mean I'm tribalistic or trying to claim everything. That we don't agree doesn't mean you're right that its of Akan origin therefore I'm trying to claim something of another origin. I could be wrong myself. And you could be wrong yourself too.

Authors too are divided on the issue. Those foreign authors that support the Igbo origins, are they tribalistic?

Moreover you're bringing up past argument on Barbados which you yourself claimed were useless argument. Why bringing them up now?

I see your accusations as baseless.

Or maybe you're trying to remain 'balanced' in your views. Supporting me and then suddenly accusing me isn't the way to show you're balanced in your views. Or I'd rather call it riding on the fence. Its totally childish.

bigfrancis21:

I was only pointing out my views and you said I'm trying to claim anything. How do you mean? Did I write all those myself? Did I author the websites and books what said the same thing? Lol

You said before that the title of this thread is Nigerian(Igbo) and African American, that everything pertaining to the Igbo contribution to the slave trade is discussed here, right? Why turning around and saying we like to claim everything? Lmao.

Nobody is claiming anything. Relax, ok?

Radoillo: When I say 'that's not the way I see it', I meant that I don't see Jamaica as an extention of Igboland.

bigfrancis21: I get your point. But you do know that when linguists try to link the origin of a word to a language, they don't just consider the spelling but also contextual meaning, right? How does Obeah(Pronounced Obia) relate more to Obeah(Akan for Woman) rather than Obia(Igbo for Native doctoring)?

Don't you think that linguists have weighed all sides and options of Obia(Igbo) and Obeah(Akan:Woman) in entirety of both their spellings and meanings before finally pronouncing their final judgment?

The modern Jamaican Obeah practice is a mix of Congo, Akan and Igbo practices while the name itself has been said to have come from Igbo 'Obia'. Maybe you're mispronouncing the Igbo 'Obia' but it is pronounced exactly the same way Obeah is pronounced natively in Jamaica, the only difference being the spelling, of course.

Obeah's pronunciation doesn't sound like Obayifo, right?

Radoillo: I think ideas and institutions from Africa met and mixed in the New World. Many of the Jamaican obeah men whose names are known appear to be of Akan origin. Linguistically though, obeah seems to be closer to obia than to obayifo. Probably both akan and igbo 'fetishisms' met in Jamaica and mixed insensibly, and the resulting 'creolized' magical system retained a name of igbo origin, but was heavily 'Akanized' in other things.

Even the voodooism of Haiti which is believed to originate from the Fon people shows traces of mixing with Yoruba and Igbo practices.

In Cuba, the Abakua society originated from the Ibibio people, yet some of the incantations contain Igbo words and phrases.

Mixing.

bigfrancis21: ^^^

The Akan did have its own influence on Jamaica. Igbo and Akan are said to be the groups with the most influence in Jamaica.

bigfrancis21: [b]Obeah also seems to have been confirmed to have Igbo origins.

bigfrancis21: Thanks for reclaiming your ancestral origins. Its really good to have a sense of belonging.

@Bold...I totally concur with that. The identity of Africans in America was forcefully taken away. And the first way that was made to happen was the imposition of foreign names on Africans. One's name is strong evidence of one's origins and once that's taken away, a great part of that person's identity has been erased. If AAs had been allowed to keep their native surnames, you'd probably have had AA families bearing surnames such as Okoro, Chima, Chigozie, Kabongo, Lukema, Afeanyetornye, Domevlo, Sagbata, Ayodele, Olamide, etc.

I have one question to ask. What state in the US is your mother from? Virginia? I'm asking because according to the data below, no slaves from Bight of Benin(Yoruba, Fon, Ewe) were sent to the Chesapeake region(Maryland, Virginia). However, they were sent to Louisiana and South Carolina.

How's that possible?

*Kails*:
lol mi cya tek di slimy sittin an di whole heap a seeds

*Kails*:
lol i can't stand okra

*Kails*:
@jayvarley,

you are riding the fence too much for my liking bro,
you just ranted about him telling you about your culture, and then when he airs
out kwame you change tunes? lol

the point is the same way, kwame dislikes igbo,
the other guy is trying to igbo wash the cultural heritage we have from other africans.
the title of this thread is one thing, but the actual TOPIC from the OP is NOT what we are discussing.
she is talking about relationships while everyone else is talking about who dominated.

I said from the beginning, NOT ONE GROUP CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN THE OTHER...ALL ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT, and the other guy still had a problem with that. So they - he and kwame, are one in the same as far as their ethnocentrism.