₦airaland Forum

Tumisang:
@Radoillo @Jayvarley

South Africans (Blacks & KhoiSans) were never sold into slavery.

Vey low numbers were of people from were sold South East Africa including the Makua people and Malagasy people.
Slavery existed in South Africa until the abolition of slavery in 1834.

A good book by "The rise of African Slavery in the Americas" By Professor David Eltis actually provides records of the embarkation points and origins of slaves Across Africa. South Africa was also affected by the slave trade however South Africa provided very low numbers of slaves. Which is probably why their cultural influence is not seen in the Americas. There are even records of slaves being taken from Madagascar to Barbados. It is my belief that slavery Affected the whole of Africa, nevertheless the West African coast was most obviously affected because of its closer proximity to the new world. Slavery was first propagated by the Arabs who took slaves from East Africa to the Arab world and India.

The transatlantic slave trade exhausted West Africa's population so the slavers simply went further inland and marched captured Africans across the continent Sadly Slavery was a big business not limited to West Africa.

Phut:
@ Jayvarley: Yes, sometimes.

Some people have a garden variety look while others have a look that is synonymous with a paticular area. In Nigeria we can sometimes tell if a person is Igbo, Yoruba or Hausa based on their looks.

A few months ago, I met an African American woman who looked distinctively South African. She had the Khoi San cheek bones and the crazy waist to hip ratio that their women are known for. I would be willing to wager money that a DNA test would prove me right

Well that could be quite plausible, as the trade stretched far and wide not just in West & West-Central Africa as many people seem to think.
When certain populations were exhausted slave traders simply went to other areas.

Phut:
I have also come across a lot of women from Latin America called Ada (which means daughter in Igbo) and they know the meaning of their name

An interesting revelation.

I know that the Jamaican Maroons practice the Akan day naming system.

It just shows how marooned communities are able to retain their African cultural ties

The Main issue is the surnames and these surnames simply pass from generation to generation.

I am aware that some places in the New World many black people still retain African first names especially in places like Guyana and Suriname. In Guyana it is not unusual to hear Afro-Guyanese people with an Akan first name like Kwame.

Also there seems to be a general perception that every person from the New World is heavily admixed this simply is not the case.
Every country in the New World had a different colonial experience.

For instance in Barbados there was a law that prohibited mixing between blacks and whites during slavery, though it did happen at times it significantly minimised mixture in that population. This is why most Barbadian people like myself do not appear to have any admixture.

Would this help to wipe away some of the pain associated with the memory of slavery?



If you are not in favour, can you please state the reasons why you are against it.



If you are in favour, how then would a an African American/Caribbean go about finding the right name considering that most know so little about their ancestry, lineage and African naming customs.

A DNA test study submitted to BMC Medicine in 2012, states that:"....despite the historical evidence that an overwhelming majority of slaves were sent from the Bight of Biafra and West-central Africa near the end of the British slave trade, the mtDNA haplogroup profile of modern Jamaicans show a greater affinity with groups found in the present day Gold Coast region.....this is because Africans arriving from the Gold Coast may have thus found the acclimatization and acculturation process less stressful because of cultural and linguistic commonalities, leading ultimately to a greater chance of survivorship and a greater number of progeny.

More detailed results stated: "Using haplogroup distributions to calculate parental population contribution, the largest admixture coefficient was associated with the Gold Coast (0.477 ± 0.12), suggesting that the people from this region may have been consistently prolific throughout the slave era on Jamaica. The diminutive admixture coefficients associated with the Bight of Biafra and West-central Africa (0.064 ± 0.05 and 0.089 ± 0.05, respectively) is striking considering the massive influx of individuals from these areas in the waning years of the British Slave trade. When excluding the pygmy groups, the contribution from the Bight of Biafra and West-central rise to their highest levels (0.095 ± 0.08 and 0.109 ± 0.06, respectively), though still far from a major contribution. When admixture coefficients were calculated by assessing shared haplotypes, the Gold Coast also had the largest contribution, though much less striking at 0.196, with a 95% confidence interval of 0.189 to 0.203. Interestingly, when haplotypes are allowed to differ by one base pair, the Jamaican matriline shows the greatest affinity with the Bight of Benin, though both Bight of Biafra and West-central Africa remain underrepresented. The results of the admixture analysis suggest the mtDNA haplogroup profile distribution of Jamaica more closely resembles that of aggregated populations from the modern day Gold Coast region despite an increasing influx of individuals from both the Bight of Biafra and West-central Africa during the final years of the trade."[12]

How did the Island of Jamaica really get it's name. The History books tell us that the indigenous Arawak people name the island Xaymaca meaning Land of Wood and Water. But when I stumbled across this video it made me think!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruM6xpCRMI

caribchic: Lol yes I am, so I'll see you next year

Chokl8 my love ....daz all lol

, Well it would be cool, I need a good tour of the Island. Maybe you can show me all of the good spots

Chokl8: Following YOU? lol.
begone ASAP. FYI go through my post history.
you will know who i am and know i don't follow ppl.
in fact i loathe, abhor, HATE stalkers esp. internet stalkers.
since that's how you see things

so this will be my last reply to you evah

Praise the Lord!

caribchic: Lol I dunno bout Jamrock but I know there is a decent portion of nigerians in trini, lol even my gp is a nigerian. It think its pretty cool, but they need to start opening up some restaraunts, i wanna know what egusi soup tastes like.

Ok so I take it you are Trini?

I am hoping to go there next year. I love Soca music!

Chokl8: jayvarlaey stop trolling. seriously.
you made a false statement. simple.

i have relatives who live and work in JA with no intentions of leaving.
Some have jobs that require them to travel to all 14 parishes.
So if anyone would know about this, they would and through them would I.

the current ties btn JA and Naija are political in nature.
i know it is your wish that JA was part of the AU but we're not so chillax.

Me trolling?

It is you who is desperately following my every move.

I no longer wish is engage with you. Goodbye JA-FAKE-AN!

Chokl8: oh sh-t the jig is up! you got me

Nigeria and Jamaica have been working together to strengthen bilateral and economic relations.
Being cousins and all.

Chokl8: if only you knew who you were talking to.

Let me guess,

Christopher "DUDUS" Coke?

Chokl8: LOOOOL
just like i thought. stop misinforming these people.

You're no Jamaican, you're a JA -FAKE-AN!!!!

Chokl8: post your source and make it quick. i gotta run.
since you know better than me (a jamaican with DIRECT connections to JA)
please educate me

Does being Jamaican make you a credible source for knowing everything that happens on the island?

How do you know I'm not Jamaican? I'm just not quick to tell everyone.

You are not the only one with connections there. I just am not a braggart.

Chokl8: looool! VERY INTERESTING! so you're Nigerian.

anyway, there are nigerians who work/study
there but their presence there is not "huge". lol

source: me; i am jamaican.

Never said the Nigerian presence was huge, I said it was increasing.

I met Nigerians when I was last in Jamaica in 2005

I am not Nigerian by the way.

Chokl8: that's not true.

It is, I have relatives who go there regularly. It just happens you don't know about it.

I've heard that there are an increasing number of Nigerians in Jamaica. There also is a Nigerian embassy in Kingston, Jamaica.
Nigerian movies are a bit of a trend in Jamaica, and also is allowing many Jamaicans and West Indians to relate to their African heritage that was forcefully taken from them.

Black Kenichi: I found a new Youtube channel to like: theblackauth0rity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cWT1zQsByo&list=UUWyZA2WkTcsma3WHH7w1vQw

^^ That is so messed up. . does any other race have their women fight against them like this??

Radoillo: Um...should I risk giving Kwame another reason to launch into an anti-Igbo diatribe? I think 'brother seller' and 'scammer' and 'drug peddler' and 'prostitute' are quite enough. lol. Hope u don't mind.

By not explaining it you are only giving Kwame more ammunition! Therefore I will have no choice other than to believe Kwame's explanation of the word "OSU" but, no pressure

Radoillo: No. "Osu" is an entirely different thing.

Ok, but now I'm going to have to ask you to explain it?

fresh_dude: And then Beyonce goes on to marry Jay-Z of all people, "mysogynist" number 1, isn't that ironic? I wonder what sweet Marques Houston would be thinking now.

Sure is Ironic! Probably something to do with the law of attraction. The more you think of something either (good or bad) you attract more of it!

I remember at one time the Destiny's Child was on this man hating game.
Almost every song had something negative to say about brothers. This is all part of it!

Radoillo: Oh clearly, u haven't even seen Menelik's pictures. More!

He looks like Jamaican actor Carl Bradshaw

*Kails*:
that guy in the Captain Phillips movie clip looks
like a smaller version of usain bolt.

What did Bolt do to warrant that attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjfMVqL344Y

eziza: Just kidding bro.

But yeah, I can see how people would say you look Igbo. I have done so myself with a Jamaican girl I thought was Nigerian-igbo. But when communicating with her, I heard that Jamo twang in her accent and I was surprised.

Thank you. .

So I'm not going crazy

There are so many Jamaicans and other West Indians that look like their cousins in Africa.

My Brother in Law is a born Jamaican and I have heard him say that there are some people in Jamaica that look like Nigerians.
and that's why they don't get along with Nigerians because they are the same people

eziza: It must be your flat head.

Do you mean at the back?