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etrange:
The guy is saying rubbish. We all know that. However, to your point, I don't think you quoted the wrong person. You quoted me (except if there's someone else that talked about connotation and denotation as I'm not reading the thread). And you probably mixed it up. What I associated with connotation is metaphor. That is because in many cases, metaphors are connotative in nature. That an expression is metaphorical doesn't imply the meaning it can't be connotative. "Tunde is a pig" is a metaphorical statement and the meaning of pig here is the connotation of being dirty.

That said, your understanding of Yoruba and the Yoruba culture makes you an authority in this argument because the Tinubu defender can no longer say "in yoruba culture, gazelle depicts pride". And that's the point I was trying to make to the other guy. It's not sufficient to say gazelle can never depict pride because Gazelle could actually depict anything in different cultures, but you have to be part of that culture to authoritatively say "no, this is not true".

If Tinubu had used only "gazelle", different meanings would have been read to it, but "gazelle garagara" is a different thing entirely. The gazelle (noun modifier) tells more about the whole rather than as a separate i.e. car race, church mortuary etc. In car race, we're not talking about just any race or car as we all know what a car or a race is, but we're talking about a specific one, defined by its nature. The same can be said concerning mortuary or church. There are a thousand churches or mortuary (literarily speaking) but church mortuary is specific in nature, because we're talking about a mortuary which has affiliation with a church. If we add the church's name to it, or subtite church to the its name like St. James or St. Peter Catholic mortuary, Godnews Church mortuary, our specificity changes and so does its meaning. Now the question are:

What is a gazelle?
What is a garagara?

Gazelle: A small, slender antelope that typically has curved horns and a fawn-coloured coat with white underparts, found in open country in Africa and Asia.


Gara gara: Showing off, drawing attention to yourself (according to online definition).

Now, those two definitions are the text. There's anything in communication: context which is divided into context of situation and context of time.

Having said that, juxtaposing Tinubu's statement would mean total nonsense because the context is wrong. Jargons are specific to a particular area or profession. They're not nonsense if an individual belongs to that area. That is contextual meaning of words, sentences, paragraphs or essays. So we have literal meaning and contextual meaning.

etrange:
Hhmm... You did not really write anything that directly contradicts what I said. It seems you were more interested in showcasing your knowledge, and that's impressive. However, here is an explanation that might clear things up for you. Connotation is about the feeling or understanding evoked by a word in a sentence. This, like I said, is based on many things things like past events, the characteristics of the word in question, religious beliefs, etc. Metaphor, on the other hand, is the use of a word or phrase to refer to something that may not necessarily invoke a direct similarity between the word or phrase used and the thing described without the use of the words "like" or "as".

However, here is the overlap, 99% of the time, metaphors themselves are based on connotations (this is a common knowledge in linguistics and you can read it up in any textbook or online resource). If I say "death is a bottomless pit", it is a metaphor as well as a connotation. This because the expression "bottomless pit" connotes "unknown end or dangers", so we aren't talking about the actual pit but what it connotes. Therefore, "Tunde is pig" is a metaphor based on the connotation of pig as a dirty animal. So that it is a metaphor doesn't make it less of a connotation because at the end of the day, Tunde isn't literally a pig but a dirty human. Now, if you're translating that statement to a different language, you'd have to replace pig with any animal that that culture uses to depict dirtiness (i.e. another word that connotes dirtiness in that culture). This possible change of animal simply shows that meaning "dirty human" is what we're trying to guard and not "pig". Again, not all connotations are expressed as metaphors.

So the point here is that connotative meanings change based on different factors like social group or era. So arguing from the angle that gazelle doesn't mean pride will only give the other guy an easy way out because he'd simply say you wouldn't know because you're not from a specific place.

It must have been I quoted you instead of someone. From that guy's point of view, he's wrong and he knows it. The Ihords or whatever name he is is just trying to grapple on the world of sensible people with his insensibility. I speak Yoruba, understand Yoruba and write Yoruba (I emphasize on the language). If he's spoken about "gazelle garagara" as neologism, maybe people would see it from a broad perspective or narrow it to social sarcasm. I could remember "buhari"(noun), "buharify" (verb), etc were constructed by some Nigerians at one time like that (the new words found their way into the comic social parlance of the people at the time, it was understandable how they were formed). I guess I quoted you wrongly instead of the person that put metaphoric sentences as denotative and simile as connotative.

bjtinz:
Chai!! see grammar everywhere.

I no believe say Nairalanders Sabi book like this!!

Fora should be places for edutainment purposes. So, nairaland, like any other ones, is no exception. I hope you understand

Felixamos:
Thanks for your wonderful submit Sir..

You're welcome, brother.

etrange:
I believe the guy was just trying to defend his preferred candidate against all odds. However, for knowledge sake, it's important to correct something you said here:



The meaning of a noun could actually change based on how it's used in a sentence. The dictionary definition of a word is called the denotative meaning while the meaning it could adopt based on how it is used in a sentence (i.e. the idea associated with the word after considering the surrounding words or the emotions of the speaker) is called the connotative meaning.

When someone says you act like a pig, they are using the word "denotatively". Like you rightly said, it means you exhibit some characteristics of the animal. However, when they say you are a pig, they are using the word connotatively. It has exactly the same meaning as the previous sentence, however, they didn't bother to say "act like"; they said "you are" because they trust the audience to be smart enough to know that being a pig in this context means being dirty (since it's illogical to say a human being is literally a pig). Understanding these terms is very important for effective communication. Someone who called you a pig yesterday, for example, cannot come to the court house today to say "but I didn't say you were dirty".

That said, I personally do not agree with the ihordspy guy. Remember, the connotation of a word depends on the cultural context and personal associations, and for the meaning not to get lost in transit, the audience must be on the same page as the speaker (cultural background, profession, age group, social class, etc.). In the English language, the connotative meaning of "gazelle" is "a fast runner". We usually use the word "peacock" to refer to a proud person. Culturally speaking, do Yorubas refer to a proud person as a gazelle? I don't think so. I don't know about the "gazelle horn" saying, but even if Yorubas had such a saying, it would still not be sufficient to use the word in isolation to refer to a proud person. We say "the stubborn fly follows the corps to the grave", but we don't call a stubborn person a fly.

As for the second word, I noticed the guy really searched his Yoruba vocabulary to come up with words that remotely sound like what Tinubu uttered. This was made obvious by the fact that he came up with two words (gara gara and gaga raga) only for him to drop one along the line (gara gara) because it wasn't adding value to his argument. If he was so sure of what Tinubu was saying, he wouldn't have been scrambling for words.

Let's even assume "gazelle" refers to a proud person and "gaga raga" means proud, wouldn't one of them suffice in the sentence? OK, it's not a crime to use both together, but would Tinubu actually use a Yoruba adjective to qualify an English noun?

Honestly, it would have been better if the defender didn't say anything.

Oga, you're wrong.
The denotataive meaning of words are used explicitly. For instance:
1) The pig is dirty.
2) A pig is a domestic animal.

Both linguistic uses are denotative or explicit code use (note here that language is referred to as agreed code where speakers use some particular names for referents. Hence, language is arbitrary.) So, in the first sentence (1), the word class (noun) of pig is depicted by its characteristics of its appearance of the word class (adjective) "dirty". Here, the appearance of the pig is communicated as being dirty, not clean. Hence, the physical description is literal or explicit or denotative. Same as in the second (2) sentence where the noun "pig" is described by its identification in respect to its life and surrounding "domestic animal" (here is a adjectival phrase). Now, let's examine the below sentences:

A) Tunde is a pig
B) Andrew acts or behaves like ( or as) a pig.


From this second part, the two examples clearly show the implicit, or connotative or literary aspect of the word class (noun) "pig" and its relationship with the two humanly noun characters of Tunde and Andrew. The aspect of their physical state, the dirtiness of pig is used to refer to how they live. They are humans and not pig, but they share similitude with pig through dirtiness. However, there's a difference in sentence A and B, which is because:

1) SENTENCE A IS A METAPHOR (metaphor doesn't use "as" or "like" when comparing two different things).
2) SENTENCE B IS A SIMILE (simile makes use of "like" or "as" when comparing different things).

The meaning isn't at the literal or denotative or explicit level but at the literary, or connotative or implicit level.

SHALOM!

ajekpaks:
from whence is this ideologies gotten from if not from real life?

If you're to go with what's been showing in time past, you'd not activism on LGBTQ, open sex scenes, gender stuff etc. Why? Because there was decency and development of the mind was already on but freedom was limited. Now, there's freedom and immorality. A news from US has it that a 6yrs shot his teacher (I think). Would the same be said in 1750s, 1850s,1950s or early periods of industrial growth?

It makes you stupid.

MickzyDonald:
And she doesn't flirt

If she could keep her child talk away from him for 7months, the guy is in a bullshit life pullover.

When life turns the other leaf, I hope she wouldn't give a reverse psychological motivation because now it's a great going as we know that every journey has its own uphill and downhill slopes, like every voyage in stormy and good time on water. I pray her marriage is filled with happiness and love.

One thing you need to know about this present world is that: morality has left it. So the answer would be yes but based on what's agreed on. It's the same with LGBTQ+ stuff where the ideology is passed unto the public now in almost all movies. You see guys/men or girls/women kissing and professing their love. That tells you a lot. A lot has changed.

OP, don't allow anyone tells you what to do or what not to do. If you want to do it, please do it. If you don't want to do it, please don't do it. You're the one who's going to have the joy in it or the consequences. There are people in human trafficking business, drugs dealing, arm robbery, prostitution, pornography etc. They are the ones that either the joy and glory of the jobs or the brutal consequences of the same jobs fall on. So, please do that which pleases you.

ADBA3005:
It pains you very much!

Ode ni eleyi sha. How can it pain me when his actions have nothing to my constituency or the state I reside? You must be an eternal fool not to see truth in what I wrote!
I think most politicians are definitely deaf but their myopic adherents are quite shockingly deaf, dumb, blind and senseless in all ramifications, an example being you.

Nigeria politicians are abusing the "Freedom of Association " too much. Just for what they tend to gain, they move from zone A party to zone B party and the likes. After some times in Satan's crib, they are back to zone A party. Oh God, they lack ideology but could parambulate to and fro the polar poles!

lhordspy:
I am not even sure you read what is up there.

Igara is cropped from gagara (ga-ga-ra) or gagaraga (ga-ga-ra-ga).

It is all the same.

Werey ni e walahi. Igara garagara ko, ogara olosa garara ni. Stop capping nonsense. It's definitely not good for you.

2mercy:
https://gazettengr.com/raheem-police-defend-cop-who-killed-pregnant-lawyer-call-him-nice-man/

Wetin consign law wit juju?

siofra:
If you no get money, hide your face.

No more doing independent lady for me this year. I want to relax and be taken kiaroff.

I've suffered too much

Even Satan is taking care of SIMPS and HOES in Hell.

siofra:
I told my boyfriends before we started dating that they must take the role of a provider to date me and they are taking their roles seriously.


Never settle for less, sis

A tie je eniti o ni awon gende olorun omodokunrin lowo ti won ndonidokudo, kin se bi arindin alaarun-un kogboogun bi eleyi. Shalom.

Suunnn:
Exactly

Now while and when addressing cases that has to do with women do well by hitting the point and not generalizing it on all women, as well as men

That is applicable to you and your gender. Remember, when you point a finger at someone, the remainants point back at you.

Suunnn:
Facing what is on the table

Why want a virgin wife while and when you are not a virgin husband?



Contact me for your academic assignment, articles,, research works,,, thesis. WhatsApp Me..

Same thing applicable to women. Why want already made men when they (the women) are not. Why looking for a rich guy to suck while you're a pauper?

Do unto others what you want them to do unto you. That is the greatest admonition.

Jennyclay:
You're indeed a stingy man... so you don't want a girlfriend because you don't want to spend on her .


Incase you don't know, no lady would want to stay with a stingy man.... so if you are avoiding ladies because of common billing, you will still spend when you eventually want a girlfriend. You can't escape it. Keep running!

Akagum

Don't be a fool in making other people chose what they don't want for themselves. Allow them to make their choices while you make yours. He wants a personal development and growth, not to be a father Christmas of all urgent 2K and born straight hair seekers.

Lade18:
Recently met this single lady of one. Been the one footing her bills and sending her daughter (5yrs old) to school. She told me She wouldn't let us have sex until she sees I'm committed and reality love her. Although, that's not the reason I'm talking care of her daughter, I just naturally love to spend for people I care about. Just recently, she's wanting to know how much I give my mom and why I'm the one sending her money when she has a shop and making her money.

Yesterday, she told me I don't love her enough. That, if I can open a shop for my mom , then I can do more for her. But I wasn't the one that opened the shop for her, I just supported her.

Now, we had sex for the first time last month and has been denying me sex since then. Yesterday, she came around and I initiated sex, she denied. She told me if we're ever gonna be together, I should learn how to be a man. In her world, being a man involve me cooking, laundry, take her out, and clean. I told her that's cool. But I don't know what a woman will be doing in a House if she's not working while I'm the one footing her bills. If I ask her this, she would get angry.

My fellow men, why are the requirements for sex getting on the increase these Days? Is that they way it's supposed to be?

You're are asking us after you turned to be a great SIMP? You agreed to those nonsensical manipulation shits? God, abeg I no wan born mumu o, give me an assassin rather than a fool. At least, an assassin is a taker of out-of-the-way bullshits while a simp is a receiver of all bullshits.

LeoDeKing:
Fear politics.

To be a politician, your heart must be made of cold steel.

Na obj wike throw under bus like dis?

Nawao.

Wike just draw the battle line between himself and Obipigs.

Read to understand the context of the situation in this text. He only made some reference to what Atiku did to Obasanjo which is somehow the same with what the G-5 group is asking.

Atiku could only support Obasanjo's second term in office after the ex-president acquiesced to his conditions by Tony Anenih from his post and removing him from the presidential campaign council.



He said: “In 2003 when President Olusegun Obasanjo wanted to run for a second tenure―a whole president wanted to run for a second tenure―he knelt down before his vice and said, ‘my vice, please, allow me to run.’

“You know one of the conditions he gave him? That Tony Anenih must be sacked as the Minister of Works and that Tony Anenih must not be in the presidential campaign council. Obasanjo obliged and sacked Tony Anenih as the Minister of Works and removed him from the presidential campaign council. This is a president,[and] his own vice giving him condition; a retired General knelt down and was given conditions.


“We (G5) are not even doing that; we are not saying sack this one; we are only saying that the constitution of our party must be respected based on what the national chairman said and based on what you told me in my house.”

The governor then dared the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, to expel him from the party, saying “try and see how you will survive it.”

nairamaniac:
Ogaaaa I grew up as a full time groover in the 80's.
If MJ or Whitney were instrumentalists, they wd have flunted it.
I had hundreds of cassettes on mj, including making of his music videos&songs.
Quincy Jones was the life instrumentalist of most of his 80's songs.

Then teddy-riley took over from DANGEROUS-ALBUM in the year 1990.


Mind you I also at some point stayed opposint EMI studios in wesminiter Abbey. Where witney houton produced lots of her songs.

That's enough for me to know what they could do and couldnt do.

Stevie wonder, Prince, Quincy Jones, Ray Charles were the Top leading Artists of the 70's and 80:s who also were good instruments.

However this didn't make them more talented than MICHAEL JACKSON or MADONNA when it came to making music in the 80's.

Know all these now I tell you and have peaxe with history.

Then you don't know your history well.

The easiest route for most girls to take social cover of sympathy is "rape". Call that your neighbour and sit him down with you and your hoeloshi girlfriend and three other elderly persons. Accuse him there, before everyone of the rape, if he won't disclose everything to everybody make I know wetin cause am. If she:

1) ask you to forget it (not to take action against him) know that they've been fucking for long and it's not rape.
2) fidgets and tries to change the topic, just know that she'd tries to manipulate the whole thing.
3) seek for forgiveness and forget, she sees you as a fool.


BTW: I don't know why a man would pick his friend's ex. Do you think if you friend comes tomorrow to make love with her, she'll refuse?

I don't also know why a girl would cook for another nigga knowing fully well her bf or husband would never love or condone that.
Accept your cross that this was one of the reasons your friend left her.

BloomingDale:
Lol. Virgin birth of Jesus ko, virgin birth of Jesus ni. The etymology of the word “virgin” translated there just means a woman of marriageable age, not necessarily that she has never had sex.
Asexual birth is not impossible. The bartholian glands besides the vulva of a woman secretes a liquid substance which contains sperm that can impregnate her.

You just blabbered with no coherent structural idea. Bring your scientific research that support your claims here. You're just blabbering.

BloomingDale:
They will give birth via parthenogenesis. As it once was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. The man is just a genetic defect of the woman.

Go read your academic researches well. Asexual birth in human (aside, of course, the virgin birth of Jesus) is impossible.


You can bring any evidence that it's possible here. Let the public scrutinize it closely.

BloomingDale:
I’m saying African women should stop giving birth to you men so as to reduce your numbers. The only chromosome not necessary for the continuation of life is the Y(Man) chromosome. That is how important Nature has deemed you guys are in the scheme of life.

The fake Bible you guys rewrote so as to place man on top is not going to save you guys in the end. Nature has deemed you guys unimportant and is gradually reducing the molecular weight of the Y chromosome from 800 to its present number, 32, but the Y chromosome is now latching onto the X(Woman) chromosome to survive.

From your post, it seems you're senseless. How would a female give birth without the sperm donation by the male. Let assume all females give birth from 2023 to 2100 and all human males become extinct in 2100. How would reproduction occur from 2100 upward?



When people talk, they should applied commonsensical realities in their interlocution with the public domain. Otherwise, the public will point fingers at their parents after doing so at the children. Ire o.

nairamaniac:
U just told one of the biggest lies here.



Forget what Wikipedia may tell you about Whitney Houston or mJ, they never played instruments.

Yet they were highly talented artists.

Do you have your evidence?

Jennyclay:
If you truly and genuinely love her, then you will forget about her past. Love conquers all things. Love has no boundaries.

You mean illusion because the only two types of love that exist are familial and agape love. Any other love is a counterfeit.

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africandollar:
Yup, you’re right. Even the great MJ never played any instrument proficiently and no one dares say he ain’t a musician.

He did know how to play instruments. It was not his things because the roles were not his but his brothers. But if you ask him to play for you, he'd do that without any problem.