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BlueAngel444:
As long as the foundation is holy, the earth is the Lord's and the fullness therefore. And the new foundation has nothing connecting it with the old.

Even Jesus said, don't put new wine in an old wine sack.

But what's the aim of your questions self

Does God permit one to mix two different things up

ahahahah am just laughing well this is what I mean those passer by that saw the place as shrine but later see church on that same place what will they say? God is the owner of all things He uses what He created to glorifies His name.

cyrilamx:
oga you have dysfunctional knowledge of history. You said everything was written down like the authors knew their write up will make up the bible? Go and read about the councils of carthage in 393 and of Hippo in 397. These were chaired by St. Augustine- Bishop of Hippo. The council was saddled with the task of deciding which of the numerous books supposedly linked to the apostolic era is canonical--adjudged to be inspired. Thus the fathers of the church relying on the power granted by Christ in Matt. 18:18 selected from these extant books-- shephard of hermes, gospel of Pilates, protoevangelium of James and numerous hundreds of book only 27. It was submitted to Pope Damasus in Rome for approval who formally christened these collections of codified books, the Bible. So if church is found today, i know it wont tell u d truth so u will be set free.

lol I laugh in lamalaki see all these are in Wikipedia if I want to check it okay!

BlueAngel444:
Yes

If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Psalms 11:3

Was the Shrine destroyed? Or was it converted to a church

God commanded the Israelites to destroy the idols

this is simple the word "converted"in my sentence has deep meaning which can be elaborated in form total destruction of the shrine and erection of church , those that knows that the place was formally shrine how will they react when the see church

cyrilamx:
because you fail to grasp the meaning of oral tradition. How do we continue to carry out traditional marriage rites and other customswhen it is obvious non was documented. But they were certainly handed down from generation to generation by words of mouth. That was how Christianity thrived for 300 years without a codified bible, rather oral teachings of Christ was handed down.

that 300 years of what sir oooh , every thing was written down like a scroll and letters but was put together in one piece after 300. that stories that were not written were not fully original many lies will be added to it more truth will be removed.

blueAgent:
You sound like someone who worships on a Sabbath day, and am wondering how you still believe in immortality of the soul and spirit.

I worship on Sunday but I believe there are things are not right in the church but they have gotten root in church! as Christian there are two thing chain that bind Christian which are Bible virtue and church moral standard . is long explanation.

blueAgent:
Guy named you?

I thought you believe in life after death, that one's spirit lives on after they die? or am my mistaking you for another person.

what's that has to do with the op?

FemiEddy:
2. Christmas is not a Bible doctrine.

One author asked: “… What was Christmas? Had Christ or His apostles made it a holy-day?” Is there any passage anywhere in the Bible encouraging us to celebrate Christ’s birth? Emphatically NO! This author continues, and answers himself: Christmas “. . . was a survival of the old pagan Saturnalia.” 8

Another writes: “If our blessed Lord had wanted us to celebrate His birthday. He would have told us when to celebrate it, and how to celebrate it. But Christ never told anyone to celebrate His birthday. Furthermore, we know from the Bible and from church history that the apostles and the early church never celebrated Christ’s birthday. The Bible is God’s complete and final revelation to man, and it tells us everything we need to know for our spiritual lives (II Timothy 3:16). We don’t have to go outside the Bible for anything. God’s word tells us how we’re to worship, how we’re to give money for the support of the Lord’s work, how to evangelize the lost, how to observe the Lord’s supper and everything else pertaining to the Christian life. But not once in the Bible does God tell us to celebrate Christmas! We’re told to remember the Lord’s death, but nowhere are we told to celebrate His birth. God’s people are supposed to be Bible people. We’re supposed to live by the teaching of God’s holy Word. So the very fact that Christmas is never mentioned in the Bible is sufficient reason for us not to have anything to do with it.”

and white wedding is a Christian doctrine? tithing is a Christian doctrine abi? see duality in the church.

OpenYourEyes1:
If you are part of this and call yourself a christian, you could well be deceived by a false christ when he shows up.
So, how do we know the difference (True JESUS CHRIST & false christ)? It's by reading your Bible, obeying the word of GOD & letting the Holy Spirit guide you. The truth you need is in the word of GOD.

Soften your heart for your own sake.

lol I laugh you sir the same bible you will some celebrations there that look like idol worshippers like frying buns and place it on the alter in fact go down to old testament there is no difference between idol worshippers and the Israelites form of worshiping God.

BlueAngel444:
The Origins of Christmas Customs

A. The Origin of Christmas Tree
Just as early Christians recruited Roman pagans by associating Christmas with the Saturnalia, so too worshippers of the Asheira cult and its offshoots were recruited by the Church sanctioning “Christmas Trees”.
Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them, and this observance was adopted and painted with a Christian veneer by the Church.


B. The Origin of Mistletoe
Norse mythology recounts how the god Balder was killed using a mistletoe arrow by his rival god Hoder while fighting for the female Nanna. Druid rituals use mistletoe to poison their human sacrificial victim. The Christian custom of “kissing under the mistletoe” is a later synthesis of the sexual license of Saturnalia with the Druidic sacrificial cult.


C. The Origin of Christmas Presents
In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January). Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace. The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas (see below).


D. The Origin of Santa Claus

a. Nicholas was born in Parara, Turkey in 270 CE and later became Bishop of Myra. He died in 345 CE on December 6th. He was only named a saint in the 19th century.

b. Nicholas was among the most senior bishops who convened the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE and created the New Testament. The text they produced portrayed Jews as “the children of the devil” who sentenced Jesus to death.

c. In 1087, a group of sailors who idolized Nicholas moved his bones from Turkey to a sanctuary in Bari, Italy. There Nicholas supplanted a female boon-giving deity called The Grandmother, or Pasqua Epiphania, who used to fill the children's stockings with her gifts. The Grandmother was ousted from her shrine at Bari, which became the center of the Nicholas cult. Members of this group gave each other gifts during a pageant they conducted annually on the anniversary of Nicholas’ death, December 6.

d. The Nicholas cult spread north until it was adopted by German and Celtic pagans. These groups worshipped a pantheon led by Woden –their chief god and the father of Thor, Balder, and Tiw. Woden had a long, white beard and rode a horse through the heavens one evening each Autumn. When Nicholas merged with Woden, he shed his Mediterranean appearance, grew a beard, mounted a flying horse, rescheduled his flight for December, and donned heavy winter clothing.

e. In a bid for pagan adherents in Northern Europe, the Catholic Church adopted the Nicholas cult and taught that he did (and they should) distribute gifts on December 25th instead of December 6th.

f. In 1809, the novelist Washington Irving (most famous his The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and Rip Van Winkle ) wrote a satire of Dutch culture entitled Knickerbocker History . The satire refers several times to the white bearded, flying-horse riding Saint Nicholas using his Dutch name, Santa Claus.

g. Dr. Clement Moore, a professor at Union Seminary, read Knickerbocker History , and in 1822 he published a poem based on the character Santa Claus: “Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, in the hope that Saint Nicholas soon would be there…” Moore innovated by portraying a Santa with eight reindeer who descended through chimneys.

h. The Bavarian illustrator Thomas Nast almost completed the modern picture of Santa Claus. From 1862 through 1886, based on Moore’s poem, Nast drew more than 2,200 cartoon images of Santa for Harper’s Weekly. Before Nast, Saint Nicholas had been pictured as everything from a stern looking bishop to a gnome-like figure in a frock. Nast also gave Santa a home at the North Pole, his workshop filled with elves, and his list of the good and bad children of the world. All Santa was missing was his red outfit.


i. In 1931, the Coca Cola Corporation contracted the Swedish commercial artist Haddon Sundblom to create a coke-drinking Santa. Sundblom modeled his Santa on his friend Lou Prentice, chosen for his cheerful, chubby face. The corporation insisted that Santa’s fur-trimmed suit be bright, Coca Cola red. And Santa was born – a blend of Christian crusader, pagan god, and commercial idol.


Every wondered why you see billboards with Merry Christmas and not HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS

now if a shrine is converted to church when the priest of the shrine has given his to Christ then he summited his shrine to rebuild as church , does it mean the church is still shrine?

mrZENographer:
Christmas and Esther are the two days in a year that evangelizes Lord Jesus Christ without anybody preaching it.

The pagans/devil actually want Christians to despise a special day God has given to them

can you see how devil is making any means to stop this evangelism ! Devil you will fail.

Okay stay there , not Nigerian Muslims but northerners the western Muslims don't behave like that.

osazsky:
the tin weak me and they keep defending them,waitin Musa nor go see for gate

that's what they use teach them in mosque to be denying the action openly but they teach them hatred towards Christians. Christians are there headache.

Patrioticman007:
- MOUNTAIN OF FIRE MINISTRIES (MFM)
According to the founder of the church, Pastor D.K. Olukoya, " We don't celebrate Christmas because the root is demonic "

your comment and the op are opposite so tell us why all terrorists are Muslims.

kareemkamil:
Your foolishness no get part one

because he or she said the truth.

ValCon888:
Once upon a time, Islam used to be the pioneers of science and technology. The best medical practitioners and architects were Muslim. Some of the greatest architectural designs centuries ago are still on display in countries like Spain.

The Muslims of today ought to be ashamed of themselves. There's no innovation only retrogression and violence. Their stock in trade is terrorism in a world where more than 90% of Nobel Laureates in STEM (Science Technology Engineering and Mathematics) are Christians and Buddhists.

How low they have fallen.

can you mention just one Muslim that contributed to the science I mean well and tell me what they invented

cyrilamx:
Aint u bothered that the bible u so proudly but ignorantly quote was put together by the catholic church you love to hate? Tell me in the gospel where Jesus asked any of his disciple to put down an account of his life...The only instruction Christ gave was that his disciples should go and teach all nations and not go write stories of his life which in the next 300 years will require a council of the Catholic church to decide and affirm. Pope St. Damasus approved of the canons of the new testament as we have it now. If the catholic church relied so much on the power Christ gave her in Matt. 16:13-18; 18:18, to decide the books of the scriptures and subsequently naming those coedified books the Bible, and u accept such bible, then why r u hypocritical about Sunday worship, Easter feast, etc set by the church? Lest i forget do away with days of d weeks cos they are named after pagan gods. To you now all those evil forests and land dedicated to idols and later re-dedicated to God and churches set up on those lands should be destroyed cos they standing on land previously used by idols...?

where is your sense if we did not write the Jesus life account how do you now imitate him? How do you follow His foot step when He says in john 14:6 am the way, the truth and life.... Add sense to the diminutive one you have.

BabyApple:
Islam is the only true religion from God. It's beyond this Nairaland scope.

I see! Islam indeed the religion of terrorists. in India Muslims are banned from citizenship that's the latest.

joyandfaith:
work free day. if you have alternative answer, tell us with explanation.there is no rule that says you must worship on Sundays. people even do have house fellowship or service during week days

they have different ideology concerning the day some believe is the Lord's day, some believe that they won't be attached to Hebrew believe like Judaism but most people believed some pagan give their lives to Christ.

emmanuelewumi:
Most of the Pentecostal churches don't have Christmas service on Christmas day

because they don't know what to say but they are busy celebrating children's day but a day given to Christ even though no body know the particular year or date he was born but as far a day has been fashioned for him we need eulogise this God man.

joyandfaith:
In Jewish calendar, Sunday is first day of week while saturday is last day and sabbath date. Jewish and early Christians worshipped on Saturday. Adoption of gregorian calendar over Jewish and other popular calendars by world leaders changed a lot things during medieval age.
on Christmas and Easter, both traditions were invented to attract pagan romans to christianity. Romans worshipped Saturnalia around dec 25 which is also birth date of sol invicta -deith dedicated to unconquered sun.

don't Dodge the answer or twist it I mean why did they change it from Saturday to Sunday by Roman catholic not by world leader Sir!

Sunnycliff:
We worship on Sunday because it is the day our Lord Jesus Christ broke the bounds of death and resurrected. His resurrection is the reason we have power over all religions and can conquer sin nd the devil.

His resurrection is of more significance than hi birth

there is nothing greater than celebrating the your saviour was born, in fact I thank God a day was assigned for it . as far the teaching and significant of the day is carried out shikenna.

jullary:
in a simple way u nailed it, see people oooo!Sunday wasn't the exact sabbath day in the Bible,but because they wanted to make money through it they accepted Sunday as sabbath day. idiots

can you see the level hypocrisy in the church

joyandfaith:
Sunday is just public holiday which makes it easier for workers to worship God.

ahahahah are you sure ? is that the reason they worship on Sunday?oh okay ask your pastor.

mgbadadike:
Jesus Christ wasn't born on the 25th of December, but 25th December was chosen to celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So what's wrong with it?

those people angry about celebrating the Christmas are angry about the birth of Christ that's all. the same people are celebrating their founding year of the church ooooh

Sunnycliff:
We worship on Sunday because it is the day our Lord Jesus Christ broke the bounds of death and resurrected. His resurrection is the reason we have power over all religions and can conquer sin nd the devil.

His resurrection is of more significance than hi birth

that was not the story of worshiping on Sunday go and ask roman Catholic people that change it ! from beginning of the church was holding the service on Saturday so go and check the history roman Catholic twisted to Sunday.

xreal:
Church of Christ don't either.

but New Year is celebrated.

but you can celebrate world naked day?

BabyApple:
Christianity itself is a falsehood.

Islamic, Hinduism and traditional are real abi?

Sunnycliff:
My church deeper life does not celebrate it cos it has no scriptural injunction or biblical basis.

what about worshipping on Sunday?

eliok:
don't abuse them its their choice. Instead committing evil on that day, use it to bless others

base on evil ideology and self righteousness.

see as BMC whoring the forum with their sense of hypocrites na wah. the fear of USA sanction is the beginning of obeying court order. kudos to America secretary general , pompeo!!!!.

IAmStrange:
The truth is that I don't understand your point..

The irony is that if you read what you wrote, Even you yourself will not understand yourself

Well, if this is what is hurting you, I'll still say it that Imes is coming

If you don't like it, feel free to report at the nearest police station

Imes, we await your coming

go strip. Yourself with dynamite.

ochibuogwu5:
John 1:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 That was the true Light(Jesus Christ Crucified), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

if you are a human being that has come into this world and THIS LIGHT has not lighted you. You are darkness (it is not you are 'in darkness')
thus
"Ephesians 5: 8 For *ye were sometimes darkness*, but *now are ye light in the Lord*: walk as children of light:"

There is darkness in the earth and thick darkness covers the universe but CHRIST JESUS CRUCIFIED IS THE LIGHT THAT SHINES TO DISPEL/REBUKE this darkness
thus
"Isaiah 60: 2 For, behold, *the darkness shall cover the earth*, and *gross darkness the people*: but the *Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.*

3 And the Gentiles *shall come to thy light*, and kings *to the brightness of thy rising*."

You cannot use any religion, noise, ideology, entertainment/drama on pulpits, academia, science, philosophy, fashion, art, mere-routine christian activities, human wisdom, visible and invisible things in heaven/earth/under-world, spiritual powers in the unseen realm, religious titles, e.t.c which is DARKNESS TO CHASE AWAY DARKNESS
thus
Ephesians 5: 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

"2 Corinthians 4: 6 For God, *who commanded the light to shine out of darkness(Genesis 1:3)*, hath *shined in our hearts(first who accepted the grace of the gospel and are now sharing it with you)*, to give the *LIGHT of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.*

7 But we have this treasure(CHRIST JESUS CRUCIFIED; THE LIFE THAT IS LIGHT) in earthen vessels(our mortal human bodies with its weakness/limitations), that *the excellency of the power may be of God*, and not of us."

Surrender yourself now to the grace of His Death and Resurrection so that you may receive Jesus Christ Crucified who is the ONLY LIFE THATIS LIGHT to EVERY HUMAN BEING WHO COMES INTO THIS WORLD!!!

there is no bible verse that can tell you how to meet your wife . and the word sexual immortality only go for adultery and formication that's all..or beastiality . so pls don't interwoven bible here and cause confusion.