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AntiChristian:
So what does face to face mean figuratively?

now in that scope of the whole story of God speaking to mankind, God speaks through dream, vision, audible now face to face talk is when the God is speaking through His glory to you not in vision but in reality.

AntiChristian:
If a representative is sent then that is not a face to face meeting!

now that face to face is just figurative word. The same Bible no man see God and live .

AntiChristian:
Off points as usual. Do you have anything to say to the OP? Only the usual rantings.

if you are Yoruba Muslim and you are sounding like this meaning your intelligent is quite low and poor. now let me address the op now if king send his emissaries with the king staff what does it mean the king is there, when they want to address the emissaries they will address them as a king . now if the president sends his minister to represent him in one occasion they will address the representative like the president whatever the representative says there is the president talking .

AntiChristian:
Can God be Seen?

Enilove quoted this Bible verse that says:
Gen 18:1-3
1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mamre in the heat of the day, while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent. 2 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw three men
standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of his tent to meet them
and bowed low to the ground. 3 “My lord,” said Abraham...

And he (enilove) says Abraham met Jesus.

Jacob saw God face to face
Genesis 32:30
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

Moses, Aaron and over 70 others saw God
Exodus 24:9,10
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

These above verses contradict with...

God implies No one can see Him
Exodus 33:20
But," He said, " you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

John the evangelist opines no one has ever seen God
1 John 4:12
No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Surah 6:103
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.

Would you rather worship the God of the Bible who is finite enough to be seen by a man or would you worship a God that is so infinite that that He cannot be perceived by any human being due to our limited senses? This is the Only True God; the God who revealed the Glorious Quran.

NB: fortran12, joytothewise and other Christians do not derail this thread to another topic! If you can't explain the topic here just keep mute!

if your Allah is magnificent then why are they killing for him or her? because all your sharia laws are just cruel to mankind , if I abuse your Allah , instead the Allah to come and kill me , you are going be the one to chop off my head why can't you leave the job for allah to do?apostasy has been tools the Islam used to keep its slaves at bay, superstitions are the key islam is using enslave its matured minds to be slaves and terrors are the shackle Islam is using to intimidate its slave to keep them from freedom. islam is a cancer not the Muslims.

Maximus69:
Why nah!

Don't mock our friend joh, that's just a mistake!

Bible writers were humans INSPIRED by God's holy spirit, but OP taught we are saying God took a pen and started writing until he completed a big book consisting of 66 smaller book having 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses!

Walahi Talahi mumu plenty for this earth!

like Koran abi? in fact I look the intellectual capacity of that god that wrote the Koran is like I should give that god a knock on the head so the head of that god can be reset and reason well.

olakunle5296:
1. Pastor Sam Adeyemi. Sam Adeyemi is th founder and president of Daystar Christian Center, he said that God did not tell anybody to pay tithe, if you are paying it, it is because you chose to do, it is not compulsory.


2. Pastor Sunday Adelaja, Sunday Adelaja is the founder and president of The Embassy of the Blessed Kingdom of for all Nations. He said he does not collect Tithe from his member because it is not Biblical.


3. Pastor Gabriel Uka, Gabriel Uka is the founder and president of Praise Assembly. He said that Tithing is not for new testament believers .


4. Pastor John Wada. John Wada is the founder and president of Jesus Deliverance Ministries. He does not collect tithe from his members, he said tithing has ended in the Old testament.

but they have Another method to syphon the members ? oh I see.

blueAgent:
Did you die?

it was long story! the day you face the reality, the truth found you and I'm sure nothing can take the truth away from you because you defend what you believed . like I have said talking about my experience. spirit leaves bro. in that verse is telling you that flesh can't do anything without spirit , spirit energize the flesh. when death comes , the body remain functionless , the body can't do anything and knows nothing but spirit lives on. if your understanding can't convince you please get on your kneel and ask God to unravel the mystery

blueAgent:
My point is that the spirit does not have immortality and does not live on after ones death.

you now quoted John 6:63- hmmmmm well personal I have experience such before when I fell sicked ! it was a unique experience. am talking from experience sir.

blueAgent:
I came across this Bible verse today and it reminded me of our argument.
Note what the Bible says the spirit is, A life giving force and not an independent element that lives,reason and acts on its own as you claim.
The spirit is like electricity it only powers our electronic devices but itself cannot exist or be useful independently.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing: the
words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Note this are the words of Jesus on what a spirit is, not my word.

and what's your point.

CAPTIVATOR:
Your question lacks substance, because the pagan origin is still there , to apply your illustration to Xmas.

If the shrine was claimed to be converted to church but a certain idol still stand in the door way, would you agree it's a Church ?

Likewise, Read up on how Early Christians view the celebration of anyone's birthday, it's idolatry . As long as you are celebrating birthdays , it's idolatry practices hence u didn't convert anything, do you even know that no servant of God celebrated their birthday in the Bible? Do you know that the only two birthday celebration recorded were done by pagans?
Keep your illustration in your pocket

do.you.know that Sunday was once sun god day?

ZiriMane:
if you read this passage well you'll discover it wasn't an Israelite talking rather it was a woman who theologians claim is King Solomon's Egyptian bride. The Bible is there to expatiate on the matter if you would read the whole of the chapter not just a verse.

is still talking about daughters of Israel.

is there anything we no go see inside religion ,madness every where. some Christian have become a sadists in the name of righteousness . most of Christian doctrines have pagan origin
because that sunday is day they worship sun god but was name after a day in the week what will you do now? will you stop worshiping on Sunday now?

ZiriMane:
I read this and I was forced to say "Wawu!" . You really have acquired sense. It's true Mid Easterners are somewhat Red in color compared to Europeans but it wud be fair to also know that Abraham the ancestral father of the Israelis was originally from Ur a place bordering the Persian gulf- (Iran), come to think of it, which country was Steve Jobs originally from¿ Do you know? Did he look Arab? or European?
when you want to talk get facts not stories dat wud soothe your fantasy- cos it's kinda sounding you really want to feel Hebrew (lol)
Bill gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Benjamin Netanyahu, Roman Abrahamovic all have Israel roots and they don't look Arab.
It would interest you to know that Israel identifies herself as an European nation.

they claimed to be . now look at the book of songs of Solomon 1:6 says do not stare at me because I am dark,because I am darkened by the sun. so ancient hebrew might be black or redish but not Caucasian.

daddytime:
Nice one..

I'm beginning to really support the hate speech bill thingy....

oga there is different between hate speech bills and a bill concerning fake news.

Ctorch:
Kano tricyclists found conveying opposite sexes risk ten lashes, six months ban - Official



The Kano Hisbah Board on Thursday said tricyclists found conveying opposite sexes in the same tricycle would be punished with ten lashes or banned for six months.

The head of the Hisbah, also known as state’s moral police, Harun Ibn-Sina, told PREMIUM TIMES that the defaulters have an option of N5,000 fine or risk punishment depending on the gravity of the offence committed.

PREMIUM TIMES reported how the state government reintroduced the ban on opposite genders from plying the same tricycle in its bids towards upholding Islamic values and respecting the dignity of female gender in the state.

The ban would come in force from January 1, 2020.

The Hisbah commander said any tricycle operator found carrying male and female passengers at the same time has committed an offence under the Kano State Road Traffic (as amendment) law 2005.

Upon arrest, he said, the offender would be taken to a mobile, magistrate, or Shari’ah court.

Mr Ibn-Sina, however, said the law is not applicable to couples, underage children and family members. He said adequate measure have been put in place to ensure the success of the operation with the support of the Kano road traffic agency (KAROTA) and other agencies.

Lawyer reacts

A Kano-based lawyer, Rabiu Rijiyar-Lemu, said the laws as introduced by the Hisbah would create unnecessary tension among tricyclists, passengers and the law enforcement agents in the state.

“If the Hisbah cannot provide a written document with relevant section explaining flogging and six months banned as well as N5,000 fine as punishment for tricyclists that ply opposite genders, then the law is void because it contravenes Section 36 of the 1999 constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria,” said Mr Rijiyar-Lemu.

According to the lawyer, the main function of the Hisbah Board as contained in Section 7 of the Hisba Board Law 2000 provided that the general duties and obligations of the corps are to caution people when they are deviating from doing the right things.

“Kano, like many other cities in Africa, are followers of Maliki Islamic school of thought, and the school mitigates some harshness of application and implementation of hard principles of Shariah; that is to make sure there is peace, harmony as well as tranquillity among Muslims.

“Even if there is a law as stated by the Hisbah commander, this law must consider the situations of the Kano community first in order to ensure that the law reflects the wishes of the peoples to that effect,” Mr Rijiyar-Lemu said

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nwest/370051-kano-tricyclists-found-conveying-opposite-sexes-risk-ten-lashes-six-months-ban-official.html?fbclid=IwAR35m0SRyn2k-XXFf1M2Orh1Y87Ci_iBbCWR_bEDRK7oGtAcf9YZDbQjtTA

this is what they want to implement in our constitution right? can you see?wait oooh even the religion have police , court and prison is that a religion or political movement .

References:
https://www.thecable.ng/extra-jigawa-empowers-440-women-with-1320-goats-but-its-a-loan

can you see empowerment?,last year they used basket to empowered 5000 coblers in borno lol Hausa with their backwardness.

Gforce2015:
Even as beautiful as anambra might be, nyamiri people still prefer to die and be buried in Lagos.

Anambra state is beautiful....will that stop regular inflow of omo Igbo into Lagos State..
I even saw one omo Igbo lately doing agbero for ojota busstop.

Omo irankiran

you are the omo irankiran , should I post the pics of oke Igbo , oboto, fagbo, aiye, ipetu modu, orita lalu, I have more than 300 communities in very shitty state so keep quiet no state without bad part.

azimo:
"It is a lie to say Christian's are being persecuted in Nigeria"- Sultan of Sokoto.

You are wrong and your denial of this well established fact which is backed by empirical, abundant and overwhelming evidence is deeply offensive to the Christian community.

Were the 800 Christian's that were slaughtered in their homes in Southern Kaduna on Christmas eve and Christmas day in 2016 by Fulani militants whilst the authorities turned a blind eye and refused to protect them or bring their murderers to justice not entitled to live their lives?

Are you trying to suggest that this was an isolated event and that it does not occur regularly in the north?

What about the hundreds of thousands of Christian's that have been butchered all over the Middle Belt over the last four years talk less of those that have been targetted and killed in the south by the same Fulani militants?

All this yet the Federal Government fails to act and Royal fathers like you, who should know better, attempt to deny that it is real and try and downplay the whole issue. This is unacceptable.

In some countries it is actually a criminal offence to deny that genocide has taken place when the evidence is to the contrary.



To say that Christian's are being persecuted in some parts of Nigeria is actually an understatement. They are not just being persecuted, they are being totally and completely eradicated and wiped out. They are being subjected to mass murder, ethnic cleansing and genocide!

This can no longer be denied or hidden because the world has become a global village. The barbarity and cruelty of those that hate Christian's in Nigeria are being exposed to the international community every day and flippant and insensitive denials of the obvious cannot stop that.

it's normal to lie in Islam so that's what they are teaching them in mosque
When they have the best deceiver as god.

healthserve:
What a beautiful sight. If value were placed on them a conservancy would be set up in the vicinity to help boost the numbers of all the wild life there. It could be turned into a tourist centre since its ten times the size of Lagos, a very good animal conservancy centre needs to be setup there.

are you sure in the middle battle zone!

rusher14:
What is this wailing zombie saying?

is telling you that if buhari deficate and ask you to eat it without objection you will eat it and say thank you sir ! That's power of zombified. Now no cabal office in our constitution.

enilove:
These Catholic priests are the same ..
They love idolatry more than the things of God.

I am not surprised at all . The priest loves idols and not God.

now he brought out valid points just counter the points . period. is it true that white wedding is not biblical? mother's day? father's day nko? what about cross over Vigil ? own football team is it part of church?

superlightning:
Lie. Olukoya is right. We know Xmas is unbiblical. But as long as it is done for the right reason, then it is harmless.

olukokya got it wrong ! that's what we called self righteousness and hypocrites.

Bloooody:
A disgrace to womanhood and motherhood.

Imagine giving birth to a LovePeddler like mercy that mercilessly shows her unclothedness to the world.
It would have being better if she closed her olosho legs.

can you see celebration of immorality even the fools carrying plain card in solidarity .

elated177:
This young man, jcross. You neither know the Scriptures nor are you humble to learn. Why are you always quick to insult and know zilch about Scriptures?

thank you sir. Its clear there in the build . God is not complaining that church were built and still building .

elated177:
Well, the Messiah did not instruct us to build any specific structure as a placefor worship, since we, the saints, are his temples.

However, let us say - hypothetically, of course - that Yahushua the Messiah did want us to erect physical structures specifically as places of worship, the instructions given to the Israelites regarding the Canaanite towns and altars would be the ways to go.

Deut 12:1-3 Here are the laws that you are to obey as long as you live in the land YHVH, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. Listen to them! In the land that you are taking, destroy all the places where the people worship their gods on high mountains, on hills, and under green trees. Tear down their altars and smash their sacred stone pillars to pieces. Burn their symbols of the goddess Asherah and chop down their idols, so that they will never again be worshipped at those places.

The structure must be pulled down completely and everything in it must be destroyed and burnt. Then, a fresh structure is erected on the same piece of land in honor of YHVH Almighty. Unless, of course, YHVH Almighty commands that such land be left empty for a time or perpetually.

But then, Yahushua the Messiah did not instruct us to erect any physical structure specifically as a place of worship.

no sense in what you just posted but God told Solomon to build a temple for HIM. but in act of apostle 1:1-20 those that stay in the upper room doing what? if there is no upper room where will they stay? place of worship should a place to discuss things of God.

Bluezy13:
You clearly do not join the Sunday School classes.

you are baby Christian! first Jew or the Israelites have marriage custom and is not white wedding , white wedding was introduce by British. now the tithe of a thing was never part Jesus ministry because no where recorded in the new testament that Jesus or his disciples received tithe and offering.

Bluezy13:
I'm aware it is written somewhere in the Scripture that whatever God joined together, let no man put asunder. The art of joining together by God is perceived to be done in the church or by a priest and this is accompanied by feasting and celebrations...just like the biblical marriage feasts in Cana, otherwise termed "wedding". Therefore, wedding is biblical.

Tithe and offerings is of course recorded in the Bible mostly in the the old testament. Foremost, the offerings of Cain and Abel, Abraham with Isaac, offerings at the temple etc, tithe is recorded as well...in Malachi amongst others.
So they are Christianity.

By the way, I'm a Freethinker, so I have nothing to gain nor lose in the argument.
Therefore the issue of tithes and offerings is not a valid criteria to attack the Minister's assertion.
And you must not quote the long text just to comment.

what's the different between old testament and new testament?

Bluezy13:
I'm aware it is written somewhere in the Scripture that whatever God joined together, let no man put asunder. The art of joining together by God is perceived to be done in the church or by a priest and this is accompanied by feasting and celebrations...just like the biblical marriage feasts in Cana, otherwise termed "wedding". Therefore, wedding is biblical.

Tithe and offerings is of course recorded in the Bible mostly in the the old testament. Foremost, the offerings of Cain and Abel, Abraham with Isaac, offerings at the temple etc, tithe is recorded as well...in Malachi amongst others.
So they are Christianity.

By the way, I'm a Freethinker, so I have nothing to gain nor lose in the argument.
Therefore the issue of tithes and offerings is not a valid criteria to attack the Minister's assertion.
And you must not quote the long text just to comment.

is there white wedding in the bible ? who so ever God join together was in old testament and Jesus quoted in the new testament now are you telling me that in old testament there was white wedding? tithe offering nko is that Christianity? can you point out where Jesus collected tithe and offering?

SandraJane:
Dr Daniel Olukoya, the General Overseer, Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (MFM), says the church does not celebrate Christmas because it is unbiblical.

Speaking at the Wednesday Manner Water Service which coincided with the 2019 Christmas celebration at the Church’s Headquarters in Lagos, Olukoya says no book in the bible recorded the word ‘ Christmas’ or that Jesus was born on Dec. 25.

“If you really study the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, there is no word like Christmas.

The bible only recorded that the Shepherds were taking care of their flocks during a very cold season when they sighted the star that announced the birth of Jesus Christ. This cold period could be around April or May,’’ Olukoya said.

According to him, Dec. 25 is a date originally set aside by the ancient Romans for Mars festival by the worshippers of the sun[color=#000000].[/color]

Olukoya said that the birth of Christ was subsequently co-opted into the same date to give the Mars festival more popularity and then renamed ‘Christmas’.

He warned the modern Christians to stop promoting such unbiblical celebration.
According to him, the MFM church has decided to henceforth engage members in various spiritual activities during such periods and other public holidays to discourage them from partaking in such unscriptural celebration.

Source : https://www.instagram.com/p/B6gcVT4HmAl/

cc; lalasticlala

https://123.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/instablog9ja_79027334_3332657906776191_3732171400836556799_n.jpg

but white wedding is biblical? tithe and offering are Christianity?

BlueAngel444:
What the passer by hears doesn't matter as much as what they will hear.

Is it the true word of God or some traditionally mixed stuff for them to swallow?

It doesn't matter if evil changes it's face, it's intent is always the same.

funny some people because they think they are wise then they begin to sound stupid.