post=84995624: ........and the wailing begins..........as usual!
nothing last forever okay but is better to leave a sound and unbeatable legacy behind very shameful that evil have taken over country and bias have clouded our eyes, still I wonder the planet you came from.
AlexReports: Churchill Makes Appearance As Tiwa Savage Performs At One Year Anniversary Of Wells Carlton Hotel. ( Photos/ Video)
The one year Anniversary of Nigeria leading luxury hospitality apartment, The Wells Carlton Hotel and Luxury Apartment and the launching of "Rare Dahlia Boutique", another renowned fashion and perfume brand was indeed delectable, fun filled, eventful, immeasurably entertaining and quite prestigious.
The occasion which was spearheaded by the Wife of billionaire CEO of Wells Carlton, Mrs Hosa Okunbo, witnessed the presence of top Nigerian international Executives, celebrities and leaders. Amongst them are Dr. Olakunle Churchill, Tiwa Savage, Kika and Chioma of Good Hair, Business Moguls Julius Ronnie, Peter Okundaye, Tony Osagie amongst others.
With performances from Tiwa Savage and other breathtaking presentations, guests and invitees were thrilled to excitements, as they joined the multi billion naira hospitality investment to celebrate its one year anniversary as well as the unveiling of the multimillion fashion outfit, "Rare Dahlia Boutique" at Wells Carlton Hotel and Luxury Apartment.
According to few guests who spoke with our reporters, they described the occasion as delightful and entertaining. Olakunle Churchill expressed his admiration of the adorable edifice and the exclusive hospitality services rendered at Wells Carlton Hotels. The billionaire philanthropist encouraged the management and members of staff of the hotel to keep up with their standard, adopting advanced technologies and initiatives that ensure that their standards are not compromised.
may the children of efcc top officials hawk pure water after graduation in Jesus name! our corruption fighting soldiers are celebrating fail government due corruption. wow this is bad from efcc.
MuttleyLaff: Everything in the creation story in the garden of Eden adds up, but to a not fully informed it might seem not.
Of course, the Omniscient, Omni know all, Omni know everything God knows the capacity of what He created and this is so much so, more the reason why the not covered up and/or not hidden, strategically placed centrally, in the garden, test was before them, lol, then the stand back. To stand back, is a God special modus operandi, lol. If you doubt that, God stands back, then be prepared and ready to answer the question about how did the first sin come about, lol? I am not talking of Adam and Eve's sin, but I am asking the question specifically about and/or talking of Satan's sin, lol. cc stupidity
the issue is not the creator but the narrator and the writer that put it down.
MuttleyLaff: Everything in the creation story in the garden of Eden adds up, but to a not fully informed it might seem not.
Of course, the Omniscient, Omni know all, Omni know everything God knows the capacity of what He created and this is so much so, more the reason why the not covered up and/or not hidden, strategically placed centrally, in the garden, test was before them, lol, then the stand back. To stand back, is a God special modus operandi, lol. If you doubt that, God stands back, then be prepared and ready to answer the question about how did the first sin come about, lol? I am not talking of Adam and Eve's sin, but I am asking the question specifically about and/or talking of Satan's sin, lol. cc stupidity
simple as this ! Bible says Adam and Eve were primitive they did not know they were naked meaning their knowledge is like two years old baby , the tree of knowledge and evil. meaning without the fruit they will remained dumb still behave like animal eat whatever they see just like a toddler. in drugs label you will see keep out of children reach.! but for devil which is satan he was advance God creation so he knew his left and right . Gen. 6:1-6 you will know those angels too they know what's good and bad.
Your questions are very good, whatever the reason may be for your asking them. It is also excellent practice to pray and read the Bible daily. In addition to these things, however, you must also find a reliable Bible-teaching ministry and submit to it so that you can learn everything the Bible teaches and become able to live the way that Christians are called to live in honor of the One Who died such a terrible Death for them.
As to your questions...
Re: Q. Who was God referring to as “our” when He alone was and is the only God?? The Lord was speaking to the other Members of the Trinity, since we know from the Bible that all things were made by God, not by any creature (Genesis 2:1-3; Revelation 4:11).
Re: Q 2. If God created man in His own image, does it mean man was once like God or should I say man was God on earth? First, it is important to remember that God is Spirit (John 4:24), and not even in the sense that angels are spirits (Hebrews 1:7,14). Angels are created spirits who depend on space and time to exist. God, on the other hand, invented space, time, matter, and the universe, so His Existence is utterly independent of such things. It is impossible to define God in terms of shape or dimension or material composition, so it is not right to understand His Image in those terms either.
Next, the Image of God is itself defined by the passage in question:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Genesis 1:26-28 KJV
That is to say, the Image of God is related to the ability to exercise authority over the things that God has created. In fact, it is the ability to respond to God's Authority. We call that ability free will, namely, the ability to respond to God in obedience or in rebellion against His Will. Man was made possessing this spiritual ability to make a choice about what attitude he will have toward God, whether he will rule over the earth as God's regent, or whether he will rebel against Him instead and attempt to seize the Earth from its Maker, just like some of the angels had done before Man was created.
In other words, man was and is able to determine himself with respect to God. We can choose who and what we will be in relation to God. This is a unique ability among God's creatures. It is possessed only by the angels and man. It is why the Scriptures says that we are "gods" (Psalm 82:6; John 10:34) and why angels are called "sons of God" (Job 38:7). It enables us to exercise divinely delegated authority over our lives and the world around us in God's behalf.
Re: Q. Is the creation of Adam and Eve same as the creation of man in genesis chapter 1 vs 27 to 29? Yes. God finished all His Creation on the sixth day and rested on the seventh (Genesis 2:1-3). The description that follows in the rest of Chapter 2 is similar to other "zoom-in's" that Moses does in Genesis, where he develops a background in order to tell us an important story (for example, the story of Noah and the Flood). So, the creation of Adam and Eve happened on the sixth day. It is only focused on and expanded in chapter 2 in order to tell us how man fell and what that fall led to.
Re: Why did God plant the tree of evil in the garden that was supposed to be heaven on earth? When He knew man has a weakness and where was God when the serpent made Eve eat from the tree of evil? Also why did God put the serpent in the Garden of Eden when He knew the serpent was evil and bound to corrupt God’s creation? First of all, Adam and Eve had no weakness when they were created (Genesis 1:31; Ecclesiastes 7:29).
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31 KJV
Next, there was no tree of evil:
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. . .16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Genesis 2:9,16-17 KJV
There was only a tree of the knowledge of good and evil that the Lord commanded Adam not to eat from. That tree was said by the Bible to be pleasant to the sight and good for food. It wasn't evil. It was part of God's good creation. It was only forbidden to man.
As to why God put this tree in the Garden, it was to be his test, to allow him to demonstrate his attitude to God of his own free will. If he chose to obey God, then eventually man would be resurrected in a new, eternal body and confirmed in God's Eternal Family as the replacement for Satan and the angels who rebelled. If he chose to disobey and join Satan in rebellion, then man would also enter Satan's condemnation and have either God's Mercy to pursue or else eternal judgment to face. Without a command of the sort that the Lord gave to Adam in the Garden, there would have been no opportunity for man to exercise his free will and make an unhindered choice whether to remain in submission to God or to rebel against Him.
As to where God was, He was in the Third Heaven. But of course He is really everywhere, so He was also with Adam in the Garden when the couple made their choice. Also, the serpent did not make Eve do anything. It only offered temptation. Eve made her own choice.
About the serpent, see Genesis 1:31 above, the serpent was not evil. It was an animal that was subtle (or careful, loosely translated) by nature, and it was Eve's pet. The only evil in the Garden was Satan who possessed the body of the serpent in order to tempt Eve into disobeying God. As I said, God allowed that to happen so that Adam and Eve could make a choice about their future with the Lord.
Re: In the beginning/creation, no other being, Angel, God was made mention of but only Him. Then who are the “us” He talked about? Again, the Lord was addressing other Members of the Trinity here, not the angels. The angels were certainly around this time, but the Lord was not addressing them. The reason we can say so is that man had, by his choice to rebel and take of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, essentially constituted himself a rival God to the Lord. He would henceforth basically look to himself as the authority on all questions of life (Ecclesiastes 7:29; Romans 7; Galatians 5:16-17).
To explain, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a tree that, just as its name went, provided anyone who ate its fruit with knowledge of good and evil. Until Adam and Eve ate of its fruit, they depended on the Lord to tell them what was good for them and what wasn't. They had no need to know anything about evil, since they were perfect and the Lord had provided for them all that they could possibly desire that was good. The tree expanded their conscience enabling them to appreciate good and evil in a far more sophisticated way than they did in the Garden where there was no evil of any kind. With such an expanded conscience, the natural tendency of man would be to decide for himself what is good and what is bad without reference to God. How? By justifying anything we prefer and condemning whatever we don't. So, we basically invent morality as it suits us. Of course, the vast majority of mankind is reluctant to do this on any great scale, but we do do it in some small ways, and there are human beings who become pure psychopaths from redefining good and evil, and during the Tribulation, the whole world will do just that when the restraint of the Holy Spirit upon evil in the world is removed and the Lord gives an empowerment of error to unbelievers to allow them to rebel to their heart's content. See Romans 1:18-2:16; Ecclesiastes 7:29; 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12; Isaiah 5:18-21.
So, this has nothing to do with the angels. Furthermore, it is clear that the Lord was speaking in order to take an executive action to forestall a situation that He did not want as the Ruler of Creation:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
That is, the Lord was noting how man's new fallen state must not be allowed to become a permanent thing. This was why He drove man out of the Garden and guarded the way back to it with the Cherubim, the highest ranking angels in Heaven. If He was talking to angels, why would He need to justify any action He was about to take? Does He owe any of His Creatures any explanation for the things He decides to do? No, the Lord was merely taking a royal "decision" in the Godhead. Keep in mind that this is something of an anthropopathism though, because the Lord has always known what man would do and what He would do about it. What was written was written for our benefit, so that we can understand the Lord's Eternal Plan.
Re: Q. If Adam and Eve had not eaten of the evil tree, does this mean mankind will not know death but live forever on earth? If yes, what happens to the world ever increasing population?? Please note again that there was no evil tree.
To your question specifically, however, if neither Adam and Eve nor any of their children ever ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the human race would have expanded up to the number of the angels who rebelled against God, then the entire human race would have been resurrected to have eternal bodies that are perfect and invulnerable to any more damage or decay or trouble of any sort and the whole creation would have been resurrected too into a perfect creation devoid of anything bad at all. The problem of the earth's ability to bear the ever-increasing population does not really arise because the Lord is able to do all things. He can make the earth able to sustain all those who live on it. The Lord Jesus did feed a crowd of thousands with just five loaves of bread and two fish after all. Consider also that during the Glorious Millennium, the whole resurrected Church will live on earth with a rapidly expanding population of unresurrected human beings at a time when death will not be a particularly normal occurrence (compared to the prior 6000 years of human existence). That is, a vast population of mortal human beings - possibly exceeding the number of the whole resurrected Church - will be on earth at the same time, and it won't be a problem: in fact, the Earth then will be at its most prosperous and peaceful.
However, the Lord had a different plan. That is what we see playing out in creation and documented in the Bible.
Re: Q 2. What would have become of mankind if Adam and Eve had not eaten from the evil tree? This is answered to considerable extent immediately above. Here I will add that each human being born in such a hypothetical world would have also had to make at least a similar choice to the one that Adam and Eve had to make. If each person chose to not disobey the Lord, then the above scenario I wrote above would have occurred, but there is no guarantee at all that every single descendant of Adam and Eve would choose like they hypothetically did and if they didn't that would raise a completely new set of hypotheticals.
The Bible says that the Lord had things happen the way that they did so that all of the human race would be given to condemnation so that He would save us all (Romans 11:32; cf. Romans 5:12-19). That is, God allowed Adam and Eve to fall so that all their children would be born needing salvation. That way, the Sacrifice of the Lord Jesus that would be made later in history would answer for everybody. If only some humans sinned and not others, the situation would have been different. Adam and Eve's rebellion ruined their mortal bodies and that ruination has been passed down to every human being born of male seed ever since. That way, our sinfulness is guaranteed. Everyone of us human beings sins given even a second of life to live. That means that we are all in need of Salvation. Therefore the Death of Jesus Christ on the Cross was for all of us.
The reason for this is that Man was created as an answer to Satan's rebellion. Satan's greatest lie to seduce the angels to join him in his rebellion was that God could not forgive sin or judge the sinner. If He forgave, He would violate His Justice. If He judged the sinner, He would violate His Mercy. The Cross of Jesus Christ proved that God can do both without violating either His Justice or His Mercy. See Ephesians 3:10-12; cf. Psalm 50:21; Isaiah 14:4-20; Ezekiel 28:12-19.
Re: ...if Adam and Eve was so easy to manipulate and made to eat from the evil tree by a mere serpent right inside the Garden of Eden, this means God’s creation(man) was ALREADY vulnerable(FLAW) even before eating the forbidden fruit. I'm afraid I don't see how this is true at all. It's just like saying that because a good car can still suffer a crash, it was flawed to begin with. That makes no sense. Man was built perfect, without sin or weakness of any sort, but with a true free will, so that he could decide either to remain perfect and without sin and weakness or else to become sinful, weak and imperfect. Consider that this was the exact same situation with the Lord Jesus. Because His Body was produced without male seed, it was perfect and without a sin nature. But He did have a free will. He was free to choose to disobey the Father. But He never chose to do so. He remained faithful and loyal to the Father in every single way. Adam and Eve could have been the same if they wanted. We too today can be the same if we want. It is only impossible to us because we have a sinful nature now that drives us to sin in our thoughts, words, and actions at all times. That is, we actually don't want to not sin. We prefer to sin, by nature. When we believe in Jesus Christ and are thus born anew, we get the Spirit of God inside us. Then, it becomes a struggle between two natures, one that loves to sin and another that loves to obey God. Even then, we are never perfect in avoiding sin, because the other nature does get the upper hand from time to time.
So, Adam's and Eve's failure had nothing to do with their design, rather it had everything to do with their choice, just as ours today do.
Am strong believer and I have encountered the true power of God which concreted my faith in Him. But the truth is this , the creation story in the eden something is not adding up I may not want to go deeper because people who have a little faith.does that mean God did not know the capacity of what He created by given them such test? Now am asking you when you have a very young baby that has just started to crawl and you tell the baby do not drink this snipper and keep the snipper beside the baby what will happen? That's what happened in that Eden according bible which is not making sense.
donoro: Hope barca fans haven't forgotten the Greek god MANOLAS yes you heard the name right he eliminated you guys last 2 ucl napoli will shock the world trust me. Am very happy for that man city Madrid that's a match that can go either way it'll be a very promising match And for my liverpool thank god we played at metropolitano last year we need an away goal there I don't think their attack can break our defense I've watched them they play direct attack through the middle our defense should handle that and as for Chelsea fans start doing fasting and prayer Bayern no dey see London teams I repeat they no dey use eye see London teams na beating wey pass beating o ask arsenal and Tottenham
na the same London team beat them in their home ground and took champions league from them.
DonFreshmoney: This FOOLISH FOOL KAYODE is still yaning ballz... Oga, where is our resources when you headed aviation ministry?? You this afonja curved head thief..
In as much as boko haram and Fulani herdsmen are fighting, it's none of my business as both are the same
Seventy7kings: why do you have to drag Islam into this? You should face Netflix not Islam. You people would claim Islam is violent, yet it is clear that you're just hypocrites.
am sure that only comment can make you strip dynamite on your body and begin to shout allahu akubaru
TalkTalkTwins: The movie was probably made by Christians, for Christians and will be watched by Christians...
Maybe we should term that an irony of life! If you do not want the movie, don't watch it. Remove your Netflix app, go to YouTube and search for Pastor Ohanebo's messages. Those are exactly what you need!
is a lie the movie was produced not by Christian but by gays and lesbians. not all who have christiah0g n names are Christians. you can't dare it with Mohammed .
Bazamfare: You mean minority second class citizens!
that's why your region is poverty headquarter in the world. Highest almajirri in the world, 20milion almajiri, bandith have finished you people, b.oko haram is raping you people destiny over there, the worst epidemics can only be found in the north . still you are in power nothing to show out of it .
Sirjamo: What useless Court? Court that could not protect us from the lunacy of Mohammed Yusuf, he was arrested many times and always got released by the Courts, when his boko haram grew wings and start slaughtering people, the Court was nowhere to be found.
Nnamdi Kanu got a very stringent bail with a long list of conditions, the moment he stepped his foot out of prison, he broke all the bail conditions, what did we get from the court? Grave yard silence until he eventually jumped bail to go and continue his terrorism from abroad.
Even America that pride itself as the leader of the free world has Guantanamo bay where they lock up every one that constitute danger to their peace without trial, just like Sowore. Human right can be thrashed if it endanger the lives and peace of a nation. The end will always justify the means!!!
monthly stipends have made sane man loose his sanity and made him reason without sense!. it won't be well with those that impose this lunatic and tyrannical gangster as a President.
blueAgent: You quoted what your preconcieved beliefs told you not what is in the Bible.
The Bible says the word of God cannot be broken, thus to say the every word of God must harmonize with each other. From that Bible verse it is clear and evident that Paul was referring to the conscience, mind,thoughts, will (mind)of the people in Noah's days.
1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a PREPARING, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
As we can see the preaching was done while God was waiting for them to turn around and repent (120yrs). this disproves any argument that it was were Jesus went when he died.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
This Bible verse is not talking about Jesus been alive in the spirit, rather it is telling us that Jesus through the power and agency of the Holyspirit was the one through Noah who was preaching to the people in the time of Noah for 120yrs asking them to repent. This verse also explains to us that it was that same spirit that brought Jesus to live that was agency for christ preaching in the days of Noah.
Of cos anyone who lives in sin is in prison or bondage.
If we are to accept the lie that spirits live after death and Jesus went to Hell to preach to them. Then it contradicts God's words to prophet Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
ahahahahahahahs no matter how you constructed your lies it can't subdue or digress the truth of God . clearly in that chapter in verse 19 its stated that Jesus went to preached to those who are in the prison , I mean the spirits but to you now quoted genesis and Ezekiel which are not even related to the verses. Well is a matter of time you will know when you die. So no argument.
SenecaTheYonger: White girls do vaginoplasty, a surgery to tighten vagina. But when blacks do it their own way, it becomes a problem? Them don brainwash Africa.
ahahahahahahahs go and meet mummy in the kitchen, this is not child talk okay.
blueAgent: 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit. Christ, who is righteous, took upon himself the sins of his unrighteous people. Christ suffered for his people ( Isa 53:1-12 ). We remember that Peter already mentioned the concept suffering unjustly (see 1 Pet. 2:20-24 ; 3:14 , 17). Now he states that Christ suffered, not for the righteous, but for the unrighteous. Jesus is "the Holy and Righteous One" ( Acts 3:14 ; 7:52 ; 22:14 ; 1 John 2:1 , 29). Jesus is righteous, that is, without sin. As Paul writes, "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Cor. 5:21 ). Jesus fulfilled God's demand for justice, paid the penalty that was ours, and offered himself as a sacrifice "to take away the sins of many people" (Heb. 9:28 ; cf. Isa 53:12 ). Jesus "was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit." See Romans 1:4 ; 8:9-11 . See WCF 8.2; 8.7; BC 21; HC 16, 37. The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead (1 Pet. 3:18 ; Gen. 6:3 ) saves repentant sinners by grace alone ( John 3:1-8 ; cf. Gen. 6:8 ; Eph. 2:8-10 ). 1 Peter 3:19-20 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. Four main interpretations of have been promoted of 1 Peter 3:19-20 : (1) The section refers to preincarnate preaching (i.e., that Christ preached through Noah [cf. 2 Pet. 2:5 ] to Noah's wicked contemporaries while they were still alive). He called them to repentance, but they disobeyed and are now imprisoned. The point of Peter's argument would then be the parallel between God's vindication of Noah in a world of unbelievers and his vindication of Christians in similar circumstances. This is the most reasonable interpretation of our passage. (2) This passage refers to preresurrection preaching (i.e., preaching that occurred between Christ's death and resurrection, during a "descent into hell". One variation of this view holds that Christ announced his victory and their doom to the spirits of Noah's wicked contemporaries in the place of the dead. (3) Another version of the preresurrection approach holds that Christ proclaimed the same message to fallen angels, who are often identified with the "sons of God" of Genesis 6:2 , 4 (cf. Job 1:6 ; 2:1 ), in their place of confinement. (4) These two verses refer to postresurrection preaching (i.e., Christ proclaimed his victory to fallen angels at the time of his ascension into heaven). The point of the last three interpretations is that just as Jesus was vindicated, so God will vindicate Christians. In no case was Peter suggesting that Christ offered deceased unbelievers an opportunity to receive the gospel and thus be saved. One should probably agree with Grudem on his interpretation: 19. Taken by itself, the phrase spirits in prison could refer either to human spirits in hell or to fallen angelic spirits in hell. 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 speak of sinful angels being imprisoned and punished, while Luke 16:23-24 and 2 Peter 2:9 refer to unbelievers who have died and are in a place of punishment. . . . and in every case where it means 'angelic spirit' as well as every case where it means 'human spirit' the context makes it clear what kind of spirit is meant. 20. The spirits in prison are those who formerly did not obey (better: 'disobeyed', since the word has a sense of active rebellion), when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark. These phrases indicate that only human spirits can be intended, for nowhere in the Bible or in Jewish literature outside of the Bible are angels ever said to have disobeyed 'during the building of the ark'. Genesis 6:5-13 clearly emphasizes the human sin, which provoked God to flood the earth in judgment. . . . When God's patience waited in the days of Noah also suggests human, rather than angelic, disobedience. God's patience waited for human beings to repent before bringing the judgment of the flood (this is also a frequent theme in extra-biblical literature), but never is there any hint that fallen angels have a chance to repent - it is only given to sinful human beings (cf. 2 Pet. 2:4 ; Jude 1:6 ). But why does Peter refer to 'spirits' if he has in view disobedience by human beings who were not just 'spirits' but bodies as well? This is best explained by understanding the text to mean 'spirits who are now in prison' (i.e. at the time Peter was writing), but who were people on earth at the time of Noah, when Christ was preaching to them. (The NASB translates, 'the spirits now in prison'.) A similar expression is found a few verses later at 1 Pet. 4:6 , 'For this is why the gospel was preached even to the dead', which is best understood to mean 'the gospel was preached to those who are now dead' (but who were alive when the gospel was preached to them; see discussion below). One can speak the same way in English: 'Queen Elizabeth was born in 1926' is an appropriate statement, even though she was not Queen when she was born - we mean 'She who is now Queen Elizabeth was born in 1926.' The phrase who formerly did not obey is better translated 'when they formerly disobeyed', thus specifying that this was the time when Christ 'in spirit' preached to these people: i.e. 'when they formerly disobeyed when God's patience was waiting in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark.' Peter elsewhere mentions ideas similar to the thought that Christ 'in spirit' preached through Noah, for in 1 Pet. 1:11 the Spirit of Christ is said to have been active in the prophets of the Old Testament era (cf. 1 Cor. 10:4 ). Although Peter does not specifically call Noah a prophet in 2 Peter 2:5 , he terms him a 'herald of righteousness', and uses the noun (keryx) which is related to the verb 'preached' (kerysso) in 1 Pet. 3:20 . By saying that Christ went and preached rather than just saying that he 'preached', Peter suggests that Christ did not stay in heaven but 'went' to where people were disobeying, and there preached to them through the lips of Noah. The content of this preaching was not a message of final condemnation . . . or the completion of redemption . . . , but concerned the need to repent and come to God for salvation. This is what Noah would have preached to those around him (even without extra-biblical literature we would draw this conclusion from 2 Pet. 2:4 ). It is the right message to preach when people are disobeying 'while God's patience is waiting' (cf. 2 Pet. 3:9 ). This interpretation is very appropriate to the larger context of 1 Pet. 3:13-22 . The parallel between the situation of Noah and the situation of Peters readers is clear at several points: (1) Noah and his family were a minority surrounded by hostile unbelievers; so are Peter's readers (1 Pet. 3:13-14 ; 4:4 , 12-13 ). (2) Noah was righteous in the midst of a wicked world. Peter exhorts his readers to be righteous in the midst of wicked unbelievers (1 Pet. 3:13-14 , 16-17 ; 4:3-4 ). (3) Noah witnessed boldly to those around him. Peter encourages his readers to be good witnesses to unbelievers around them (1 Pet. 3:14 , 16-17 ), being willing to suffer, if need be, to bring others to God (just as Christ was willing to suffer and die 'that he might bring us to God', 1 Pet. 3:18 ). (4) Noah realized that judgment was soon to come upon the world. Peter reminds his readers that God's judgment is certainly coming, perhaps soon (1 Pet. 4:5 , 7; 2 Pet. 3:10 ). (5) In the unseen 'spiritual' realm Christ preached through Noah to unbelievers around him. By saying this Peter can remind his readers of the reality of Christ's work in the unseen spiritual realm and the fact that Christ is also in them, empowering their witness and making it spiritually effective (cf. 1 Pet. 1:8 , 11, 12 , 25; 2:4 ). Therefore, they should not fear (1 Pet. 3:14 ) but in their hearts should 'reverence Christ as Lord' and should 'always be prepared' to tell of the hope that is in them ( 1 Pet. 3:15 ). (6) At the time of Noah, God was patiently awaiting repentance from unbelievers, before he brought judgment. So it is in the situation of Peter's readers: God is patiently awaiting repentance from unbelievers (cf. 2 Pet. 3:9 ) before bringing judgment on the world (cf. 2 Pet. 3:10 ). (7) Noah was finally saved, with 'a few' others. Peter thus encourages his readers that, though perhaps few, they too will finally be saved, for Christ has triumphed and has all things subject to him (1 Pet. 3:22 ; 4:13 , 19; 5:10 ; 2 Pet. 2:9 ). This passage, once cleared of misunderstanding, should also function today as an encouragement to us to be bold in our witness (as Noah was), to be confident that, though we may be few, God will certainly save us (as he did Noah), and to remind us that just as certainly as the flood eventually came, so final judgment will certainly come to our world as well, and Christ will ultimately triumph over all the evil in the universe. 1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If the basis of one's salvation is Christ ("It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ", what does Peter mean by "baptism that now saves you?" Peter clearly says it saves one "not as a removal of dirt from the body." It is not the physical act which washes dirt from the body that saves a person - in other words, nothing man can do (John 1:13 ; Rom. 9:16 ) - but a "clear conscience toward God," which is by grace alone (Heb. 9:14 ; cf. Prov. 20:27 ) . Describing the conscience, Thomas Watson in Body of Practical Divinity states: A good conscience has God for its object, it respects his word, will, and worship; and therefore is called, "conscience towards God" (1 Pet. 2:19 ), as repentance is repentance towards God, and faith is faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ; . . . "conscience of God," which is of God, has God for its author, being implanted in the mind of man by him; it is God's vice-regent [an officer appointed as deputy by and to a sovereign or supreme chief], which acts for him, and under him, and is accountable to him. Peter was consistent with the other apostles (cf. Eph. 2:8-10 ) who taught salvation by faith alone (1 Pet. 1:18-19 ). He was not teaching the (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and in some circles Lutheran, etc.) doctrine of baptismal regeneration (a baptism which "signifies and actually brings about the birth of water and the Spirit without which no one 'can enter the kingdom of God'" - Section 1215 of the CCC). Baptism is a sign and seal of being in God's covenant (as circumcision was in the Old Covenant - Gen. 17:7-14 ) in which there are covenant stipulations (see "Covenants in General" below) of both blessings for obedience and cursing for disobedience for both saved and lost. A person in the Old Covenant could be circumcised (Gen 17:26 ) and yet lost. See "Was Ishmael Saved?" below. The same goes for baptism in the New Covenant (Simon in Acts 8:13-24 ; Alexander in 2 Tim 4:14 , etc.). Many commentators see a connection between the Old Testament rite of circumcision and the New Testament sacrament of baptism. Peter's wording of "removal of dirt from the body" probably implies that he was thinking about the rite of circumcision. Note that "circumcision" was a command given after Abraham had faith. Circumcision saved nobody. It was a covenant sign. The Old Testament saints were saved the same way New Testament saints are - through the gift of faith alone ( Gal 3:8 ). As Paul says, "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal 3:29 ). See WCF 27.3; WLC 161, 163, 167; WSC 91; BC 34; HC 69, 72. 1 Peter 3:22 "God's right hand" is the place in the universe of supreme privilege and sovereignty (Eph. 1:20-23 ; Heb. 1:3 ). Christ defeated principalities and powers (Col. 2:15 ), and when Christ ascended to Heaven, he proclaimed victory over the spiritual forces that were at enmity with him (Eph. 2:2 ; 6:12 ). In Psalm 110:1 , which Jesus applied to himself (Matt. 22:41-46 ), we read that upon his enthronement, Christ triumphs over his enemies. See WLC 54. So: (1) Baptism does save, not by literally washing one's sins away, but as Peter says, through "a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" which is a gift of God alone ( Heb 9:14 ; Jas 1:17 ; cf. Gen 3:7-8 ; Rom 2:14-15 ; 1 Pet 1:3 ). (2) In addition, Jesus didn't preach the gospel in Hell, but rather he preached the gospel through Noah to unbelievers, presently in Hell, while they were still upon the earth (1 Pet 4:6 ; 2 Pet 2:5 )
no matter how you quotes the whole bible the word of God stand firm. See no quotations can justify your unbelieve about spirit , you will know the truth after your death okay no rush.
JMAN05: That was well said. You know your Bible. Truely, God Almighty is the one that can kill the soul or as you said "destroy the "spirit"". Yes, destroy, not torture with fire.
destruction in bible mostly appeared figuratively but the truth is that " destroy "mean second death and second death mean everlasting torment in lake of fire!.
Beosten: My own understanding of 'freeze' is to keep someone's money in a cooler until when you're through with watery beans meals in a correctional facility. So, we gat no problem here.
They keep shouting that the government is bad, but I made it in 2016 after graduating from the uni in 2011.
can you listen to yourself and how selfish a soul can be,many people made it too and you think you are save? When the economy dwindled the result will be felt by masses , the securities will be compromised and you are not save from kidnapping , robbers and many things that will like to make living from yours illegally. Bro reason before you type.
Deserea: I am not just a Christian but a believer (born again). Our pastors have derail from holiness, charity etc to prosperity and estortion of members.
If the devil can give me what those men of God can't why wouldn't I go for it
ah you believer? Born again ! Oh I see . a born again led by the holy spirit can't say what you are saying sir!
Brandstudio01: In the end these matter will die a natural death. Unless the Killing was not polilitically motivated
even though is political motivated it will not die down unless the victim family have no strong back up , the culprits will suffer!!!! And their will eventually abandon them there to face the dance.
blueAgent: All the things you are saying are pagan beliefs not Bible. If there is any proof in the Bible you could have posted it.
1peter 3:18-21 21 New International Version (NIV) 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now who are the guys in the spirit prison.
JMAN05: Yet this spirit can feel the torture of a fire? And be entrapped in a location where there is fire.
the bible says fear not who can only kill the flesh but can not hurt the spirit but fear him who can kill the flesh and destroy the spirit who is that the Almighty God , is the only one that can penetrate pain to the spirit.
Ask your self ..this Questions.. 1. Which Church compiled the holy bible. 2.when was it compiled. .
The church you attend where and when did it start.. Please make your research. ... Don't start a fight you can't finish
bro. I said there is no bible quotation that can justify catholic idolatry! you are here telling who compiled the bible that one concern me ? just bring bible quotation just one that justify their idolatry period.
Politics › Re: Why Buhari Is The Best President - Alwan Hassan by jcross19: 8:18pm On Dec 17, 2019
