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Maximus69:
Jesus DIRECTLY chose Paul from heaven{ Act 9:3-5} directed him to a Christian in order to be INSTRUCTED ON WHAT TO DO{ Act 9:6} Paul then was BAPTISED by one of the Christians {Act 9:18} Barnabas led him to the GROUP{ Act 9:27} Ever since then Paul kept REPORTING about all his activities to the GROUP {Act 15:2} And it's the DECREES of the Apostles {GROUP} that Paul is declaring everywhere he goes! 16:3-4

You will hear the word ORDAINED many times as you wish in the Churches since you're inquiring to see it Sir!

Just bear in mind that,

We are Jehovah's Witnesses! Our job is to go out there:

In search of Jesus' lost sheep Sir!

IN SEARCH OF THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel!

God bless you Sir!

you are the one that talked about ordination here even your founder was not even ordained so why are you now nagging about kumuyi? even your founder was divorcee which disqualified him to lead a flocks! now Paul was trained by the apostles in order to follow the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ but he was never ordained by them period.

bingbagbo:
You want to know where Jesus called himself God? Then see below




Jesus Said He Existed Before Abraham and called himself I AM. Who is I AM ?

"Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad."
The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?"
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM!"4

Jesus Said to See Him is the Same as Seeing God

Jesus shouted to the crowds, "If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me[b]. For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me[/b]. I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark."5

"No one can come to the Father except through me. If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!"
Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied."
Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! [/b]So why are you asking me to show him to you?"

Jesus Said He Could Forgive Sins
"...that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"--he then said to the paralytic--"Rise, pick up your bed and go home." And he rose and went home. When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God..."

He said to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world[b]. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins."

Jesus says He is God and if you don't believe you will die in your sins

Jesus Said He Is the Judge and Can Grant Eternal Life
"For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father."


Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live." Jesus is life , and you think He is a mere human or and angel? Which angel is life and resurrection? Who else is life but God?

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."

"For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day."

Jesus Said He Was the Same as God
"The Father and I are one."
Once again the people picked up stones to kill him.
Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?"
They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."


Is Jesus God? Why That Matters to Us
"I Am the Bread of Life"
Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."
"I am the way, the truth, the life"
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
"I am the Light of the world"
"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
"you will know the truth"
"If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
"have life, abundantly"
"I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd....My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."
"I will love him"
"...he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.... If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."
"I am with you always"
"...behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Anyone who still doubts that this Jesus is no other person but the same Father the creator is possessed with a demon and blinded with his conscience smeared with a hot rod.

no where Jesus called himself God and that word " I am" is different from I am who I am even I am who I am is not even a name God did not want to tell moses His name that's all.Jesus said in my FATHER House who is the father is talking about ? so Jesus is talking about himself? ah God?

Janosky:
Did you read these scriptures from my previous post ?
pls respond.

Apostle Paul himself answers your
question.
Acts26:12-20, more emphasis on
verses 16,17,19 &20. Romans1:1.
Acts9:15. Gal 1:1.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; this is from Ephesians 4:11 like what I have said no man have the right to ordain any man but only God does. just show me where apostles ordained any man even when they wanted to appoint a replacement for Judas they did not ordain any body but where chose by an election with the direction of holy spirit.

Maximus69:
Barnabas took Paul to the GROUP Jesus chose{Apostles}

Perhaps to tell them stories of how Paul preached boldly at Damascus in Jesus name so that they can become his friends right?

Well my friend, Jesus actually sent us out on a mission and it's purposely to find the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:24
This means individuals in any part of this earth who are like sheep at heart.
The SHEEP is a domestic animal that's synonymous to loneliness and fear therefore it always feel comfortable in the midst of other sheep and as a fold {GROUP} they're ever in need of a shepherd{leader} who directs/leads them to where they could get green pastures{Psalms 23:2}.
On the other hand, there is another domestic animal {GOAT}, this one is the exact opposite of the sheep. It feels NO NEED of companionship neither does it recognises headship. A goat often move in any direction of it's choice and synonymous to stubbornness!

Jesus in an illustration explains why sheeplike individuals will be saved whereas those like goats will perish! Matthew 25:31-46
Individuals like the goat will never agree with the idea of only one single source for divine guidance so that they can comfortably switch anytime to another LANE without a bleep! Matthew 7:13
But the sheeplike ones often feel hungry and thirsty for that single source of divine guidance{Matthew 5:6} so they'll never feel comfortable UNTIL THEY FINDS IT and after they'll stick to it! Matthew 7:14

So my friend, obviously you're not part of those that fancy sheepishness, therefore you can suit yourself.
God bless you!

funny banabas took Saul to the apostles then you completed it by yourself by assuming he went there to be ordained. like I have said no man have the power to ordain any one except God just show me where a any man ordained any man in new testament. period don't just quote irrelevant verses.

Janosky:
It seems you dey find pastorpreneurs to spoonfeed you OR your comprehension skills faulty.
It seems you're not ready to study ,research God's word to find out what's really true.

ahahahahh don't twist the simple word of God! a quotation is enough.

Janosky:
On point. Great post.

Isaiah 49 vs 1-6, Jeremiah 1 vs 1-9 and many more. is only God or Jesus have the power to ordain or commission any man for His works.

Janosky:
Apostle Paul himself answers your question.
Acts26:12-20, more emphasis on verses 16,17,19 &20. Romans1:1. Acts9:15. Gal 1:1.

****$$** It's very important to note the fact that Greek language has variety of words synonymous with "ORDAIN" as we know it in English.
For example, Mark 3:14.
#* New American Standard Bible
And He appointed twelve, so that they would
be with Him and that He could send them
out to preach,

*# King James Bible
And he ordained twelve, that they should be
with him, and that he might send them forth
to preach,Pls do well to check it out below.

Greek
3549. nomotheteo -- to make law, to ordain
by law
... to make law, to ordain by law. Part of
Speech: Verb Transliteration: nomotheteo
Phonetic Spelling: (nom-oth-et-eh'-o) Short
Definition: I ordain , enact ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/3549.htm -
6k
5021. tasso -- to draw up in order, arrange
... 5021 -- properly, (put in order); to place
in a , ; (figuratively) ordain , set
in place; "station" (J. Thayer). ... appoint,
determine, ordain , set. ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/5021.htm -
7k
2680. kataskeuazo -- to prepare
... 2), built (1), construction (1), prepare (3),
prepared (4). build, make,
ordain , prepare. From kata and a derivative
of skeuos; to ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/2680.htm -
8k
3724. horizo -- to mark off by boundaries, to
determine
... predetermined (1). declare, determine,
limit, ordain . From horion; to mark
out or bound ("horizon", ie (figuratively) to
appoint ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/3724.htm -
8k
4282. proetoimazo -- to prepare before
... ordain before, prepare afore. From pro
and hetoimazo; to fit up in advance (literally
or figuratively) -- ordain before, prepare
afore. see GREEK pro. ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4282.htm -
7k
4309. proorizo -- to predetermine,
foreordain
... determine before, ordain , predestinate.
From pro and horizo; to limit in advance,
ie (figuratively) predetermine -- determine
before, ordain , predestinate. ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4309.htm -
7k
2525. kathistemi -- to set in order, appoint
... render (1), set (1). appoint, be, conduct,
make, ordain , set. From kata
and histemi; to place down (permanently), ie
(figuratively ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/2525.htm -
8k
5500. cheirotoneo -- to vote by stretching
out the hand, to ...
... Word Origin from cheir and teino (to
stretch) Definition to vote by stretching out
the hand, to appoint NASB Word Usage
appointed (2). choose, ordain . ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/5500.htm -
7k
4160. poieo -- to make, do
... gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep,
+ lay wait, + lighten the ship, make,
X mean, + none of these things move me,
observe, ordain , perform, provide ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4160.htm -
14k
4929. suntasso -- to arrange (together)
... suntasso Phonetic Spelling: (soon-tas-
so) Short Definition: I arrange with, direct,
appoint Definition: I arrange with, direct,
appoint, prescribe, ordain . ...
//strongsnumbers.com/greek2/4929.htm -
6k.

**Peace.

a simple question I asked you people but you are digressing the post with irrelevant quotations my question is this no where in the bible that a group or man ordained any one except Jesus and God have the power to ordain any man for His work.

Janosky:
On point. Great post.

no man have the right to ordain you except God\jesus have the right and power to ordain you! just show me where Paul was ordained by the apostle period!

Maximus69:
Well Jesus chose the 12 Apostles when he was here {in the flesh}. Luke 6:13

He handed over the whole thing to them and that's the one and only GROUP approved by God for ORDAINING those who will take the lead in shepherding of God's flock anywhere you find the Christians back then! Act 6:1-6
Note that Jesus directed Paul to go and meet a Christian who will teach him WHAT TO DO{the tenets of Christianity}! Act 9:6-11
After Paul had started preaching publicly about Jesus Christ AMONGST HIS JEWISH PEOPLE, Barnabas still led Paul to the GROUP{Apostles}! Act 9:27
The Apostles then ORDAINED Paul to go and start congregating the gentiles for Christ just as Jesus has told Ananias! Act 9:10-16

You can argue about this but know today that

We are Jehovah's Witnesses!

JEHOVAH our God is NOT a God of disorder! 1Corinthians 14:33

your quotations did not show any ordination of Paul by any group! calling is ordination from God its only God that have the right to ordain any man for God's work.

Maximus69:
Well Jesus chose the 12 Apostles when he was here {in the flesh}. Luke 6:13

He handed over the whole thing to them and that's the one and only GROUP approved by God for ORDAINING those who will take the lead in shepherding of God's flock anywhere you find the Christians back then! Act 6:1-6
Note that Jesus directed Paul to go and meet a Christian who will teach him WHAT TO DO{the tenets of Christianity}! Act 9:6-11
After Paul had started preaching publicly about Jesus Christ AMONGST HIS JEWISH PEOPLE, Barnabas still led Paul to the GROUP{Apostles}! Act 9:27
The Apostles then ORDAINED Paul to go and start congregating the gentiles for Christ just as Jesus has told Ananias! Act 9:10-16

You can argue about this but know today that

We are Jehovah's Witnesses!

JEHOVAH our God is NOT a God of disorder! 1Corinthians 14:33 9:27 says

Act 9:27 says-
But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. so tell me where Paul was ordained here!

enilove:
@jcross19.

You are the one very confused here. There is nothing hard to understand here.

It is the blood of you father that runs in you .

Jesus told the Pharisees that he was the child of God on earth and they wanted to stone him. Why ?
Because they understood him clearly. This is even written in the Bible , so what is it that is too hard for you to understand ?

Is a baby lion not a lion ?

In the book of Revelation , Jesus Christ called himself God Almighty . Isn't that in your Bible as well ?

What about this :


John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was GOD.
[2] The same was in the beginning WITH God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

These scriptures means , Jesus ( the word ) was in the beginning with God and he is God just like his Father.

you are the most confused here simple question I asked where in the bible Jesus called himself God? except He says Me and My father are one meaning Jesus was trying to explained the type of relationship between him and God . now listen Jesus divinity was strictly considered by the meeting of so called church Fathers in year 6th century ACE that was the time Jesus was considered devine . but to me Jesus is my lord and my savior but the truth is that there is God that sit on the throne.

enilove:
@jcross19.

You are the one very confused here. There is nothing hard to understand here.

It is the blood of you father that runs in you .

Jesus told the Pharisees that he was the child of God on earth and they wanted to stone him. Why ?
Because they understood him clearly. This is even written in the Bible , so what is it that is too hard for you to understand ?

Is a baby lion not a lion ?

In the book of Revelation , Jesus Christ called himself God Almighty . Isn't that in your Bible as well ?

What about this :


John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was GOD.
[2] The same was in the beginning WITH God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

These scriptures means , Jesus ( the word ) was in the beginning with God and he is God just like his Father.

you are the most confused here simple question I asked where in the bible Jesus called himself God? except He says Me and My father are one meaning Jesus was trying to explained the type relationship between him and God . now listen Jesus divinity was strictly considered by the meeting of so called church Fathers in year 6th century ACE that was the time Jesus was considered devine . but to me Jesus is my lord and my savior but the truth is that there is God that sit on the throne.

Janosky:
Jesus himself is a member of Jehovah's organization (Isaiah 43:10-12. Acts3:13. John 20:17. Rev3:5. ).

His Father draws you ( John6:44-46) if you "listen" & repent ,accept the Father's message taught by Jesus (John 7:16. 3:16) & get baptised (Matt 28:19,20. Apostle Paul passed through that process Acts9:1-20, Jesus disciples taught him) before he /you can be ordained minister.

just state where Paul was ordained not where he was trained but ordained?

Maximus69:
That was the arrangement of choosing a prophet and directing them before the establishment of Christianity!
Hebrews 1:1

But when Christianity began, there's a group that must ordain you before you can become a preacher of the gospel of Christ.
Otherwise you're dividing the Church of God!

So it's better if you're excommunicated wrongly so that God condemns those who falsely dismissed you and made you his servant to correct what's going wrong.

But for someone to be JUSTLY excommunicated based on the tenets of the living Church of God, then God will now choose the rebel to start yet another Church all in the name of the same God is totally complicating Sir!

HE is NOT a God of disorder Sir! 1Corinthians 14:33

there is no where in the new testament where its written that you will be ordained by a group of people before you lead the flocks! pls. show it to me in the bible.

Maximus69:
That was the arrangement of choosing a prophet and directing them before the establishment of Christianity!
Hebrews 1:1

But when Christianity began, there's a group that must ordain you before you can become a preacher of the gospel of Christ.
Otherwise you're dividing the Church of God!

So it's better if you're excommunicated wrongly so that God condemns those who falsely dismissed you and made you his servant to correct what's going wrong.

But for someone to be JUSTLY excommunicated based on the tenets of the living Church of God, then God will now choose the rebel to start yet another Church all in the name of the same God is totally complicating Sir!

HE is NOT a God of disorder Sir! 1Corinthians 14:33

you are not called by a group of people but by God in your own case you are taking as JW who does not even know about spiritual aspect of God !

enilove:
You are partially right to say there is One God greater than Jesus Christ but wrong to say Jesus is not God Almighty.
For Example :
We have one President in Nigeria who is greater than everyone but that does not make him the only president.
A vice President is also a President .

Jesus Christ created a bird using ordinary mud , according to you Quran , that makes him a God because no one can give BRAETH to a non living thing for it to become a living thing , accept God.

Jesus never disputed the fact that he has a Father and that the Father is greater than him and that Father is his God. Likewise , Jesus confirms that he is a son of God and that he is God like the Father :

John 10:32-39 KJV
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
[37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
[39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Revelation 1:8,11,17-18 KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

you are confused here by the teaching of Catholic , catholic teaching have caused confusion in the midst of christiandome from your right up there and you are still putting things out of order. no where Jesus ever called himself God but he was telling us how united him and God were, how God trusted him have you forgotten the voice that came out of heaven and confirmed him as only begotten son of God? now, is your son you?

bingbagbo:
There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and He is spirit (John 4:4).
Blood is required to atone for the sins of men
Non was holy to be used, I mean his blood to atone for the sins of men. Just like Jesus said, none is good but God.

God had to take the form of a man (1 Timothy 3:16) to sacrifice his blood which is holy as the atonement for the sins of men.

Remember God is spirit, but the flesh He took isn't God. The flesh was a mere container of God, a temple. No wonder Paul asked, don't u your body is the temple of God? That is why Jesus told the Jews that He would destroy the temple (referring to His body ) and rebuild it in three days, remember He rose on the third day. That is why you would here statements such as , " The father is greater than I" , but I tell you this Jesus was God Almighty on earth.

If you don't believe Jesus is God, then you are not yet a Christian.

God bless you!

Am a Christian and I believe that Jesus Christ is not a God according to mark 16vs19 : so then after the Lord had spoken unto them He was received up into heaven and sat on the right hand of GOD! ,now in john 14vs 1 say let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God , believe also in Me can you see Jesus talk about him and God here is two different entities here! .

Maximus69:
You're quoting Nicholas Snowden Sir.

Instead of quoting the scriptures!

God's word ordered an unrepentant sinner to be DISFELLOWSHIP! 1Corinthians 5:13

And the same word admonishes that if the sinner realises his spiritual condition and comes back for help, the congregation should REINSTATE him. James 5:14-15

But baba was excommunicated since the 1970s, he left and started gathering people to form his own Church only to come and tell everyone now that the Church that dismissed him did what ought to be done!

So who ordained baba?
How did he become a Pastor?
Haba, these questions aren't that difficult to answer nah!

you need nobody to ordain you before to you Shepherd a sheep ! ordination come from God ! Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah, even moses were not ordained by man but still they spoke the mind of God.

Maximus69:
This is not about Judgement Sir!

It's about a dismissed member of a reputable Church of God who confirmed that he was JUSTLY excommunicated!

This led to thought provoking questions such as

¤If he was JUST excommunicated, then when was he reinstated?
¤Who should apologize to the other, the Church that JUSTLY dismissed him or himself the one disfellowshiped?
¤How did he became a pastor if the church that supposed to ordain him JUSTLY dismissed him and he never went back to be reinstated?

Please Sir there's no reason to be overly emotional on this matter, let's call a spade a spade!

Luther King was excommunicated and till today, the Catholic Church remains with that blemish for the action taken against him. But this case is totally different, as the one excommunicated publicly declared the action taken against him was JUST!

You are a man and you can never determine the mind of God ! God might allowed such scenario to happen so that God Himself can have another breed of Christians and God succeeded in doing !

Maximus69:
You can continue crying in pains for all i care Sir!

Kumuyi's statement declared him FAKE when he said he was JUSTLY excommunicated from a living Church of God!

So it's either the Church that excommunicated him is FAKE which could be the reason why they sent him out as a teacher of the truth or he is FAKE to have been dismissed from amongst God's people!

Just choose one Sir!

you are not in position to judge any one sire!!!!! unless you are not a Christian! even Luther king was excommunicated many times before he left Catholic church and started his Protestant ministry so maybe that's how God wanted for him.

Maximus69:
Fine!

So why been disfellowshiped if the Church's decision was right?

Because according to the Bible an excommunicated member has been handed over to the devil! 1Timothy 1:20
If he later started his own Church only to come out saying this after 40 years, is he a repentant wrongdoer or an opportunist who just left the church to make money, by starting his own?

Surely he never left his former Church on a good note, so who ordained baba to be a Certified shepherd?

for that 40years he prospered in the vineyard of God meaning the grace of God abide with him!

so stop pretending,you people are a wicked bunch and good for nothings....[/quote][/s][quote author=tsdarkside post=80823690]

tsdarkside:
if you realy cared,then you wouldnt be callin names here....

so stop pretending,you people are a wicked bunch and good for nothings....

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tsdarkside:
if you realy cared,then you wouldnt be callin names here....

so stop pretending,you people are a wicked bunch and good for nothings....

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tsdarkside:
if you realy cared,then you wouldnt be callin names here....

so stop pretending,you people are a wicked bunch and good for nothings....

what is this all about because I don't think there is something meaningful coming out of that show! please can some one tell me what's the show all about!

Simplyleo:
[s][/s]
Always typing out of point.

When are you going to buy Microsoft cooperation and Facebook since you favourably compete with owners of those firms?

What happened to your salamrushidie handle?

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Simplyleo:
[s][/s]
Always typing out of point.

When are you going to buy Microsoft cooperation and Facebook since you favourably compete with owners of those firms?

What happened to your salamrushidie handle?

[/s]

Simplyleo:
[s][/s]
Always typing out of point.

When are you going to buy Microsoft cooperation and Facebook since you favourably compete with owners of those firms?

What happened to your salamrushidie handle?

adding porn stars!

tstx:
It was done intentionally

can people gather around trump in US or Putin in Russia begging for money? still the northern part of the country remain the headquarter of poverty in the world and beggars.

tstx:
Keep shut... Even if baba walks down your street nothing go happen.. People go just gather am dey beg for money.. That's all.

....

can you see what we are talking now ? they will beg for money because he has succeeded in inflicting people with hefty poverty Nigerians have been reduced to beggar .

engrfaruq:
DARIQA..... You are free to cite any action of his that links him with Sunnah (aka Izala)

I thought its only two sects which one be dariqa!

engrfaruq:
Make sure you make findings before making comments

if buahri is not Sunni what is he?

Image123:
i'm sure you were there.

The most elites people in the bible were those hide under canopy of deities deceiving the gullible ones! The type of God Jesus introduced to us is quite different from what Happened in the old and most people perpetrated evil and hung it on God.

Funaki:
What's the point of Noah's flood if man will continue with his wickedness? Because the flood was pointless since men went back to being wicked and ungodly after a while. I'll think if God wants to purge the earth of wickedness, he'll do a perfect job. Noah's flood was a failure.

The truth is that Noah flood story was a tale or fiction any one you called it! they are many things in the bible that depicted God in a cruel way and if you study the bible very well you will discovered that most stories are fabricated in order to enslaved the people of their time! and still, they hide their atrocities under guise of God.