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Maximus69:
You're missing the mark Sir!

Cyrus actually did something in favour of pure worship because God touched his heart for God's plans to work out!

But did Cyrus join in worshipping the most high God in Jerusalem? NO!

For instance, something similar happened here in Nigeria almost 40 years ago, God's true worshipers came under attack as a military ruler ordered that every Nigerian must recite the Anthem, it became a problem for God's people and Nigeria is the world's most populous black nation. If pure worship come under attack in Nigeria, most African nations may join in doing the same and it will become a big problem for God's people to continue worshipping God in Nigeria!

Despite all their well arranged orderliness back then, this military ruler was overthrown by another military ruler and immediately that order was cancelled!

Most people later started cursing the one who cancelled that order because he later committed many atrocities but none of them realized that God used him to free his people from the hands of Satan's agents who would have caused a great problem for pure worship to continue flourishing in Africa.

God's kingdom has not yet come, and this military ruler is no more in power today, but he is the one and only military leader who left office willingly appointing an interim government. He is still alive till today while all those who were attacking him for all his atrocities back then are gone. But is he one of the worshippers of the true God? NO! NO!! NO!!!

Yet God used him to deliver his people in 1985!

in Isaiah 54 vs 16 says" I created the wester to destroy" now look at it? God created everything to bring glory to his name ! don't be surprise when you later discover that devil is working for God indirectly , every body know that the might right hand of God is for protection and miracle then what about His left hand abi God no get left hand? God can use anything He likes to carry out His mission.

TruthinAction:
It's true. Just like it's difficult to explain why a person should turn to snake. But God's word is still our reference point in all life related matters. If people are tempted to believe in reincarnation because of a few isolated stories, it could cost them thier salvation. They may not believe in the gospel any more and that is a dangerous position to take. Most that have experienced death and came back affirms the reality of heaven and hell. So we can't use just a few cases to nullify the thousands of witnesses that confirms what the Bible teaches. The Bible warns about lying vanities. And these are part of the deception of the last days to turn people away from the truth.

do you know there are many mysteries that church did not revealed to us but with the help of holy spirit many things will be brought to light ! do you know there is spiritual content in our DNA!

Maximus69:
Cyrus is totally a pagan with whom God had no divine dealing!

But as i've told you let scripture interpret scripture, don't just conclude on an idea after reading few passages.

Think about what Jesus said regarding ascension to heaven, it was recorded that Enoch was taken and Elijah went to heaven in a chariot. Anyone could easily conclude that these faithful men have gone to heaven, but Jesus who came from heaven declared publicly that no man has been to heaven apart from himself {who is now living as a man} that came from heaven! John 3:13

It's confusing right?
It's later that the born again sons of God revealed that it's impossible for flesh and blood to go to heaven because only spirits lives there! 1Corinthians 15:43-44 compared to Luke 20:35-36

So where is Enoch and Elijah?

Well let's live that for now and focus on the issue raised.

God's people will be enslaved because of their idolatrous deeds, they will suffer in the hands of a pagan nation and because of God's promise that the Messiah will come through them, they'll still return to their land. But if a world power like mighty Babylonian empire seizes them, how are they going to return and build the shattered temple that's to be destroyed by the Babylonians?
Another world power must issue that order for God's people to return and continue as a nation until the arrival of the Messiah. That's why God foretold that another world power in the person of Cyrus will conquer Babylon and free his people to return home.

Don't forget what i told you from the onset, God only focus on his own plans regarding the Salvation of mankind, and Jerusalem is very very significant in this arrangement! Cyrus happened to be that world ruler who will give that order to restore pure worship in Jerusalem, but did he join the worshippers there? NO!
So he couldn't have been a REAL servant of God because his PERSIA kingdom has nothing to do with pure worship!
But as soon as the nation of Israel rejected Jesus, he told his faithful followers to forget about Jerusalem and it's Temple because it will be destroyed again and the Jews will be dispassed to all foreign lands never to be assembled again as a nation! Matthew 23:37-38

when you commission to carry out a task that's divine call from God either good or bad now Cyrus was called for mandate , who ordained him for that assignment God! You are moving in circle.

TruthinAction:
I have heard similar stories before but God's word is truth. Demonic manipulation comes in different forms to discredit God's word and make people not to believe in the after life. If humans can change to animals before the eyes of people, anything is possible.

Demons possess people and talk through them using their voice as though they are the one talking. In some other cases, they appear in human form for a while and they disappear.

Some people you see on the streets are not humans. They are demons in human flesh. Even those who proposed the doctrine of reincarnation excludes the possibility of remembering their past lives.

How I wish I could monitor the story of this boy. You will see where it will end.

am not disputing the fact that there are many demons in human flesh, I had encountered with a young lady that knew her past life but she came from marine kingdom but still there are many mysterious things around that we could not fathom which are permitted by God but because we did not understand things of the spirits it became blasphemous to us but there are not.

Maximus69:
These men are part of God's chosen race{Abraham's lineage}
What God said is clear!

I know you guys more than you know yourself, so as part of my chosen race i can boldly say you're qualified for this job i'm about to give you!

If you read through the books you will understand why God said this before commissioning these faithful men, along the lines both of them came to find out that it's not that easy delivering God's warning message before people with crooked minds! Jeremiah 20:7-11

Notice what Jeremiah said about God: "you have deceived me!" Jeremiah 20:7

Why did he say so? Well he became confused due to all the intimidation he receives each time he tried to deliver God's messages!

So he's now wondering, but you said you ordained me from my mother's womb, is it to suffer like this in the hands of this crooked people?

But at verse 9 he said God's word is like a burning fire in his minds so he can't help it but to speak out!

Surely the true God knows those he is sending to deliver his messages much more than they knew themselves!

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Maximus69:
These men are part of God's chosen race{Abraham's lineage}
What God said is clear!

I know you guys more than you know yourself, so as part of my chosen race i can boldly say you're qualified for this job i'm about to give you!

If you read through the books you will understand why God said this before commissioning these faithful men, along the lines both of them came to find out that it's not that easy delivering God's warning message before people with crooked minds! Jeremiah 20:7-11

Notice what Jeremiah said about God: "you have deceived me!" Jeremiah 20:7

Why did he say so? Well he became confused due to all the intimidation he receives each time he tried to deliver God's messages!

So he's now wondering, but you said you ordained me from my mother's womb, is it to suffer like this in the hands of this crooked people?

But at verse 9 he said God's word is like a burning fire in his minds so he can't help it but to speak out!

Surely the true God knows those he is sending to deliver his messages much more than they knew themselves!

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Maximus69:
These men are part of God's chosen race{Abraham's lineage}
What God said is clear!

I know you guys more than you know yourself, so as part of my chosen race i can boldly say you're qualified for this job i'm about to give you!

If you read through the books you will understand why God said this before commissioning these faithful men, along the lines both of them came to find out that it's not that easy delivering God's warning message before people with crooked minds! Jeremiah 20:7-11

Notice what Jeremiah said about God: "you have deceived me!" Jeremiah 20:7

Why did he say so? Well he became confused due to all the intimidation he receives each time he tried to deliver God's messages!

So he's now wondering, but you said you ordained me from my mother's womb, is it to suffer like this in the hands of this crooked people?

But at verse 9 he said God's word is like a burning fire in his minds so he can't help it but to speak out!

Surely the true God knows those he is sending to deliver his messages much more than they knew themselves!

your last statement have shown that God do send people to deliver his message meaning before God send you , He might have chosen for the mission? now check Isaiah 45vs 15 to 19 there God is talking king Cyrus who was not even an Israelite but was chosen by God to carry out God's task! sir like I have said some people have divine call but due to they have not seen the light the real mandate have not been materialized .

midolian:
Why are you always pained whenever northerners are in the news for good reasons. This gives you away as an Osu flatttie. The Yorubas that I know are not full of hate like you.

nairaland have turned to mediocre ! that man was not the only Nigerian on the list that won world champion in that competitions but why posting only him?

Afamed:
Dr. Yakubu Nura of the University of Maiduguri Nigeria wins World Physics Competition

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World Champion Dr. Yakubu Nura is now recognized as Father of modern EINSTEIN’S PLANETARY EQUATION studies in Physics. The purpose of the award is to identify brilliant scientists and academicians around the world through World Championship. The World Championship is organized by International Agency for Standards and Ratings at international level Dr. Yakubu Nura, (World Champion and Fellow, Directorate of Physics, IASR) plays a vital role in advancement of scientific knowledge in Physics (EINSTEIN’S PLANETARY EQUATION

#CONGRATULATUONS ���✌️!!

you now posted it to look like prestigious award! post the sources of the news let people that they are many Nigerians that won such medals in another subjects!

Maximus69:
All scriptures is inspired of the one and only true God! 2Timothy 3:16

So everything you find in his word is TRUE but if you don't allow scripture to interpret scripture you'll be making it sound as if the Bible contradicts itself!

That's why every believer need the accurate knowledge of God's word! Romans 10:2-3

Isaiah 49:1-2and Jeremiah 1:1-6 can you explain it to me?

Maximus69:
Well Matthew 13:44 is surely about God's Kingdom and that promise is what made Jacob bought the birth right from Esau who dispises the heritage of having to do with Jesus {the main man through whom God's Kingdom will be made possible}

So i was talking about why God said he preferred Jacob and i said it's because he treasured Spiritual heritage just like the man in Jesus illustration!

ah there is no where in the bible it was stated like that! if you can show it to me then I believe you! I have given you quotations backing my divine call point can you show a quotations too that counter it that's all let's examine it.

Maximus69:
Because someone disagreed with you doesn't make us enemies Sir, and it's not a reason to be annoyed with your neighbour!
One thing we both shared is the believe in a Creator who have the power to reward those who put their trust in him.
So if our differences is just this predestination issue, then we need to trash it out mildly and succinctly not grudgingly.

Our own believe is that God doesn't predestine all of us before birth. Granted he foretold what will happen to those having to do with his plans, and of course he is able to foretell things before it occurred but that doesn't mean he does that always. He began doing so immediately after Adam and Eve had sinned! Genesis 3:15

To illustrate, imagine a builder who has great architectural designs in his plans, during the construction he noticed that some workers have other plans apart from what he employed them to do.
So he went into his closet and brought out his telescope, surely you can't expect him to gaze anywhere else apart from his wonderful design which he had in mind to bring to reality!
In the same manner, God is that builder {Hebrews 3:4} the heavens and earth are his wonderful masterpiece, the workers are his children both angels and faithful humans, the selfish workers are Satan, demons and disobedient humans.
While he had good plans to make sure that all his creatures live in Paradise and faithful humans are working hard with him to actualise this wonderful purpose, selfish and disobedient creatures are making things difficult for his loyal ones. That's why he brought out his telescope {power to foresee the outcome of things from afar} but his focus is on his plans and only those having to do with his plans, whether they're contributing to it's success or opposing it!

now are you telling me that some bible verses are not true?

Maximus69:
@bolded

Sir, i disagree completely with that statement of yours!

Jacob surely treasures spiritual things but Esau doesn't that's why God preferred Jacob {the second son} rather than Esau! Genesis 25:30-34

Both of them knew very well that the promise of being the ancestor of the Messiah {Christ} belongs to the first born son of the family, but Esau dispises these spiritual heritage while Jacob really treasure it in his heart!

Remember Jesus' illustration of the man who found a piece of land that's of great value, went and sold all that he had only to by that land! Matthew 13:44

Jesus is God's representative in the flesh so whatever Jesus tells us is exactly how God feels inside! John 1:18

God whose undivided attention is focused on the lineage that will bring about the Messiah could say in advance that Isaac's second son is his choice!

Apart from that lineage and anyone having to do with s pure worship, it's God's angels that makes report of what's happening there to him {Genesis 18:20-21} because he has taken his mind away from them since they'll not bring him joy! Genesis 6:5-6

So he is NOT predestining all humans on earth as the Churches taught people Sir, his main focus was on the one and only race that will produce the Messiah! Luke 3:23-38

am talking about divine calls you are talking about seeking kingdom of God are they not different from each other?what's Mathew 13vs44 has to do with divine call? jw you need Christ not unscriptural journals!

Maximus69:
@bolded

Sir, i disagree completely with that statement of yours!

Jacob surely treasures spiritual things but Esau doesn't that's why God preferred Jacob {the second son} rather than Esau! Genesis 25:30-34

Both of them knew very well that the promise of being the ancestor of the Messiah {Christ} belongs to the first born son of the family, but Esau dispises these spiritual heritage while Jacob really treasure it in his heart!

Remember Jesus' illustration of the man who found a piece of land that's of great value, went and sold all that he had only to by that land! Matthew 13:44

Jesus is God's representative in the flesh so whatever Jesus tells us is exactly how God feels inside! John 1:18

God whose undivided attention is focused on the lineage that will bring about the Messiah could say in advance that Isaac's second son is his choice!

Apart from that lineage and anyone having to do with pure worship, it's God's angels that makes report of what's happening there to him {Genesis 18:20-21} because he has taken his mind away from them since they'll not bring him joy! Genesis 6:5-6

So he is NOT predestining all humans on earth as the Churches taught people Sir, his main focus was on the one and only race that will produce the Messiah! Luke 3:23-38

then what about Isaiah 49 vs 1-2 , Jeremiah 1vs1-6 ? and 1peter 2:9 I quoted before? abi that verse is not part of bible? funny if you don't believe that, that does not mean there is no divine call! you are spiritual empty that's why you are talking like a kid I have given quotations backing my point. now there is no where in the bible where God says He chooses Jacob because he treasure the spiritual heritage abi what do you call it self. I laugh again! so are you telling me that Jacob and Esau have decided their believes from womb is that what you are saying? back your point up with bible verses. don't come post that your unwise journals here.

Maximus69:
Please calm down a bit because it's pointless becoming bitterly annoyed with someone who is asking you sincere questions!

¤So what's the purpose of Jesus coming if God has chosen all of us one way or the other to do his will?

¤What then is the meaning of all have sinned and fall short of God's glory.Romans 3:23 if all of us are divinely chosen?

¤What is the essence of preaching and teaching if all those living had been chosen from their mother's womb?

1 Peter 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; can you see that? look at the story of Jacob and Esau , Jacob was chosen even inside the womb but still the chosen Jacob did not stop him been a fraudster can you see that? God have given every mankind a mandate but the choice is left for you.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmmm OK, so you think i'm confused right?

Well @bolded

So if these ones eventually heard voices, are you of the opinion that God actually called them! Revelations 16:14

¤Please for what purpose? 2Corinthians 4:4

¤Called for what without Christ{Light}?

¤Then what stops God from calling everyone?

¤Why preaching if God chose to call just anybody all by himself?

Please i'll assume you're NOT confused for now but if these questions aren't answered then something is wrong somewhere!

don't be confused here or try to misunderstood me! like what I said many Muslims and traditionalists they have divine calls but until they get close to church or Christ before it materialised . I have a friend who was born as Muslims most of his life as Islamic preacher but one day he met Christ in his dream that's all because he was a chosen vessel! before any man was born, man have been chosen from womb to carry out a certain mission that's your divine call! a duty that can only be carried out only by you. they are many pastors in book haram but because they are on a wrong track they could not realised who they are now devil have hijacked them to carry out his works.

Seated:
Why Were Some Books Left Out of the Bible?
Clinton E. Arnold — April 19, 2016

The following post is a chapter from Short Answers to Big Questions about God, the Bible, and Christianity, co-authored by Dr. Clinton E. Arnold (Dean of Talbot School of Theology) and his son, Jeff Arnold.

A few years ago, the National Geographic Society announced the discovery of a lost gospel called the Gospel of Judas . Every major news outlet covered this event, with some hailing it as the discovery of the century. The Society then aired a television special on the Friday before Easter telling the story of this great find and discussing its significance. This discovery raised many questions for people, but especially two of a critical nature for the Christian faith: (1) why were some books left out of the Bible (like the
Gospel of Judas ), and (2) should we consider including other books in the Bible?

The Gospel of Judas was a great discovery, but it was not a big surprise. The famous second-century church leader Irenaeus actually mentions this so-called gospel in his book, Against All Heresies . The Gospel of Judas was not written in Greek (as every New Testament book), but in an Egyptian language known as Coptic. It was also composed after the New Testament was written. More importantly, it was part of a collection of documents belonging to another religion called gnosticism. The gnostics looked down on physical life and taught a belief in two gods—the Creator God that we know about through Genesis 1, but also a secret, hidden, unknown god that exists in the kingdom of light. It is this unknown god that gnosticism claims to reveal. At the heart of the Gospel of Judas is a revelation of this unknown god.
The Problem of People Wanting to Add to the Bible
Irenaeus explicitly said that the gnostics wrote many different gospels and books, but he, along with all other church leaders of the second through fourth centuries, regarded them as grossly inaccurate and harmful in what they taught. He warned, “They adduce an unspeakable number of apocryphal and spurious writings, which they themselves have forged, to bewilder the minds of foolish men, and of such as are ignorant of the Scriptures of truth.” [1] It is from this religion—a religion that is quite different from Christianity—that so many spiritual books were written that are now sometimes referred to as “the lost books of the Bible.” Although it may be rather obvious that the
Gospel of Judas should not be part of the Bible, what about other books?
At various points in the history of the church, individuals have emerged who have challenged what books should be in the Bible—either by wanting to eliminate some or to add others. The important point here is that the churches already knew what the books of the Bible were; these were the ones they were already using in their teaching and worship. These books had just not been officially recognized.
The Problem of People Wanting to Take Books Out of the Bible
One of the earliest challenges to the commonly recognized collection of books that the churches were using as Scripture came from a man named Marcion. He was a wealthy and prominent church leader who lived in the early second century AD in a coastal city of northern Asia Minor (today this is in the country of Turkey). He was passionate about the writings of the apostle Paul but had a very skewed idea of what they taught. Ultimately, he advocated that only ten letters of the apostle Paul should be accepted as Scripture as well as the Gospel of Luke; all others should be rejected (including the Old Testament). Because of his wealth and influence, the churches of the Mediterranean world had to respond. This challenge became a huge motivation for the churches to declare formally and publicly what books they had already been using as Scripture.
The Early Church’s Recognition of God’s Word
So, as early as the second century AD, the church began developing the concept of the
canon of Scripture to distinguish those books that were regarded as inspired by God and thus carried divine authority. The term comes from Greek where it commonly meant a “rule” or a “standard” and came to be applied to the standard books that made up the Bible. The eminent Princeton scholar Bruce Metzger noted that Marcion’s challenge was “accelerating the process of fixing the Church’s canon, a process that had already begun in the first half of the second century.” [2]
By the time of Jesus, the thirty-nine books that constituted the Hebrew Bible (what we call the Old Testament) were widely recognized within Judaism as the Bible. Because of that, Jesus could cite from various books of the Old Testament by simply referring to them as a coherent and unified whole called “the Scriptures” (see, for example, Matt. 21:42; 22:29; 26:54, 56).
As for the twenty-seven books that we know as the New Testament, these were formally recognized as the canon of Scripture in the second through the fourth centuries. The apostle Peter himself referred to the letters of Paul as “Scripture” (2 Pet. 3:15–16). In one of the earliest church documents written after the final New Testament book was completed, the Gospel of Mark is cited as “Scripture” ( 2 Clement 2:4). The earliest church leaders regularly quote passages from the various New Testament documents giving them authority as divine revelation in a way that distinguishes them from any other writings.
It is important to realize, though, that from the moment the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) were written, they were copied and circulated throughout the extent of the world where churches had been planted—Israel, Syria, Asia Minor, Egypt, Greece, Italy, and elsewhere. They began to be used regularly by the churches for teaching, worship, and devotion. The same can be said about the collection of the letters of Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and John as well as the letter to the Hebrews and the book of Revelation. They were rapidly copied, distributed to the churches, and in constant use as documents that were inspired by God and essential for the growth and nurture of believers. Wherever churches had been planted, believers were reading and using these documents as the revealed Word of God.
What this means is that there was no one individual who privately made a decision regarding what should be in the Bible . Or, similarly, there was no group of individuals who made such a decision and then imposed their decree upon all of the churches . In fact, the process happened in precisely the opposite manner. The gatherings of church leaders who produced official lists of New Testament books were formally recognizing what the churches all over the world had already recognized and were using as the inspired and authoritative Scriptures. As Metzger notes, “The Church did not create the canon, but came to recognize, accept, and confirm the self-authenticating quality of certain documents.” [3]
How the Church Recognized What Was Scripture
The influence of the Holy Spirit in the hearts and minds of the early Christians was the primary factor influencing what particular documents the individual churches began to use as inspired and authoritative Scripture. But there were also some objective and rational standards:
(1) Apostolic origin (from the Apostles) . From the very beginning, Christians “devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching” (Acts 2:42). Originally, their teaching was spread orally, but once this teaching was written down, churches obtained copies of these documents as soon as they could and used them as the very Word of God for their beliefs and practice. (2) Orthodoxy . The churches rejected out of hand any document that did not conform to the collection of essential teachings that all of the churches accepted. (3) Usage . In the third and fourth centuries, no book was regarded as Scripture unless it had been widely used by the churches from the beginning. Of course, this latter standard rules out the possibility that any document can or should be added to the Bible now.
So, when it comes to considering whether a newly discovered document like the Gospel of Judas should be made part of the Bible, it fails on every ground. Although it claims to be from Judas (one of the Twelve), there are good historical reasons for concluding that it did not (not least of which is that Judas hung himself shortly after he betrayed Jesus, who was then crucified; Matt. 27:5). Furthermore, the teaching of this book is gnostic and contradicts most essential Christian doctrines. And, finally, it was never used by the church and was actually condemned.
There are no other books that should be considered as part of the Bible. Even if, theoretically, an authentic letter from the apostle Paul should be discovered, as awesome as such a discovery might be, we would not consider making it part of the Bible. It was simply not used by all the churches over time.
What we currently possess in our Bibles is the completed canon of Scripture . It is exactly as God intended it and is the living, active, and powerful Word of God.
This post is an excerpt from Clinton E. Arnold and Jeff Arnold, Short Answers to Big Questions about God, the Bible & Christianity (Grand Rapids: Baker, 2015).
Notes
Irenaeus, Against Heresies 1.20.1.
Bruce Metzger, The Canon of the New Testament: Its Origin, Development, and Significance (Oxford: Clarendon, 1987), 99.
Ibid., 285.

2 Peter 3:15-16 New International Version (NIV)
Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. please I did not see where Peter called Paul letters "Scriptures" what am seeing is "other scriptures" but in that verse of 16 peter regard them as LETTERS.. don't quote out of point here.

ProudlyAfarmer:
Where is Christianity heading. Lord help your people!!

ah are you sure this church program? Jesus will be watching His servants with laugh! waiting patiently at the gate!

TruthinAction:
There is no reincarnation. It is demonic manipulation. The boy is possessed. It is a demon that new what happened talking through him. It is a familiar spirit.

I don't think the guy is possess, whatever oppose our religious ideology we term it demonic? am very sure they are things in this world that are hidden from mankind which God programmed to be but because of we don't understand how it happened it turned to be demonic mind you, God is mysterious and everything about His creations are mysterious ! note they are demons outside there but not all are demonic. even human being are mysterious in nature that's why we are so complicated in taming .

Maximus69:
Divine call worked out before Jesus established Christianity @ Pentecost, note how Apostle Paul explained this @ Hebrews 1:1: there he made it clear to the Israelites{the one and only nation with whom God had a direct dealing} that divine calling is appropriate because God's only begotten son who will teach us all what we need to know about God has not come yet!

Immediately after Pentecost all those who wish to worship the true God must work in harmony with the Christian congregation. There happens to be no more divine calling that's independent of this group! Roman's 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

It's impossible for anyone to start a new religious group that's independent of all other existing religious groups and still claim that it's from the same God! 1Corinthians 14:40

Kumuyi never claimed that he is not serving the same God with other existing Churches, which means he supposed to be ordained by one group as a minister having the same teaching with them. That's why Kumuyi's followers are confused on this matter because they can neither claim he is totally different nor freely associate with other existing religious groups!

On the other hand, Russell's followers strongly believe that there's no other group teaching the truth except their group and they're ever ready to defend their assertion.
For your information Sir, that's why all other religious groups do team up against the JWs as they're not as dumb as deeperlifers who finds it difficult to stand out clearly as totally different from all others!

Before now i also thought the same thing, but after discussing with several members of these two groups, i discovered the sharp contrast!

you are confused here! am on the field and I understand what divine call is all about ! they are many Muslims and traditionalists who have divine calls to be pastor or prophet but they are not even a Christian still divine call is on them until they find their way to Christianity before the call can materialised . like I have said it's only Jesus/God have the power to ordain any man for His workshop.

LifestyleTonite:
Will just keep shut?

Who told you King James translated the KJV? Because he had his name on it? Ho and read about all the scholars from far and wide who came together to translate the KJV. The King called James only put his seal of approval on it after preventing the Catholic Church mercenaries from smuggling the apocryphal books into it.

Go and study

go and make your research about the impact of king James on so called Bible! you are bad fruit! bible says what does darkness have in common with light then asked your what was the intention of a masonry in aiding the translating of the bible. now like I have said Catholic spread the gospel round the world so why? if they are of devil.

LifestyleTonite:
Sorry, the Catholic Church is not a Christian Church. It is a satanic church positioned to lead people astray. No wonder they use apocryphal books and also now down to statues.

are you sure? then we are doom! King James was a masonry who helped translated bible from Latin to English what do you think having a masonry translating bible for us? now Catholic you called satanic they were the one that compiled all the scriptures to be in one piece as bible now look how satanist have compiled our bible today , what damage do you think they would have done to it? Catholic spread gospel round the world.

OkCornel:
He will tell you the book of Tobit condones magic.

But yet, wiping of blood on door posts to avert death, or Jesus mixing spit with clay to heal a blind man is not magic ...since it is part of the 66 books, they are miracles

we Christians are afraid to condemn the evil act in the bible thinking all of them were inspired by God but that's not true if truly the love of Christ is in us there are many things in the bible need to be condemned.

OnPointMan:
So many people say sex before marriage is fornication, while some say not all sex before marriage is fornication.

My cousin explained to me that having sex with someone who is not your boyfriend/girlfriend is only what is actually called committing the sinful act of fornication.

He explained further that it's only a sin because the person you had sex with is not yours.

Please, is my cousin right?

ahahahahahah na wah ooooh see human being , your cousin is not a Christian.

elated177:
This is the message.

Micah 4:5 All the nations may walk in the name of their elohim, but we will walk in the name of YHVH our Elohim for ever and ever.

Isaiah 12:2-4 Behold, El is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid; for Yah, YHVH is my strength and song; he also is become my salvation. Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. And in that day shall ye say, praise YHVH, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.


YAHUSHUA the Messiah!

The name above every other name!

Acts 4:12!!!

The name of the begotten Son of Yahveh El Shaddai!

Why is the kingdom of darkness trying so hard to prevent people from using this powerful name?

The use of this name, Yahushua the Messiah, will raise so many questions that false preachers will never be able to answer.

The use of the great and awesome name of the Saviour of the world, Yahushua the Messiah, will expose the doctrines and commandments of men.

The use of this yoke-shattering name will jeopardize the empires some people have built by twisting the WORD of Yahveh of Hosts. This is what they are trying to prevent.

This name, Yahushua the Messiah, like violent winds, torrents of rain and hailstones, will shatter the whitewashed walls the false believers and hypocrites have erected. They, the hypocrites and false believers, know it is true.

Prov 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!
There it is, people!

His name is not Lord, LORD, The Lord, The LORD, or whatever. His Son's name is not Jesus.

His name is YaHVeH. His Son's name is Yahushua.

Reject, accept, ignore, entirely up to you.

If you reject or ignore, then you can keep your Jesus. I won't hate you or fight you.

I will keep my Yahushua. Don't hate me or fight me. If you hate me, it won't deter me.

John 15:18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

John 15:21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me.

However, if you do fight me, you will most certainly perish, because you won't be operating from a point of ignorance.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and they have kept thy word.

The name of the Father, Yahveh El Shaddai, is who he is. He shares that name with his Son, Yahushua the Messiah. His attributes are tied to his name. Therefore, he cannot be separated from his name.

May the Father of the heavenly lights who does not change like shifting shadows, continue to help us, his servants, who are proclaiming his name and that of his Son. May we continue to do this, proclaim his great and awesome name and that of his Son, without fear or favour. May we continue to call upon his name and that of his Son out of pure lips, and obey and worship him from cleans hearts.

Praise YaHVeH!

can you see what nnandi kanu has turned your life to? ahahahahahaah !!!!

emeijeh:
VERY RARE!
Some naija men of God will gladly accept it and pray for the boy.

But I hope this post is not a form of format advert?

If you know, you know

what if Governor gives him a cheque won't he collect it?or politicians ? now what's different from Nigeria politicians and yahoo boys?

newsynews:
@bold

When I saw comments from people calling you satanic, I thought they were just being extreme. But now I can see you are truly of the devil. Just so you could uphold the evil book of Jasher, you make a blasphemous claim that the Bible contains contradictions. So you mean God contradicts himself. This is the height of it all and it's satanic. The next thing you will start to do is point out so-called contradictions in the Bible just to say it is not only the book of Jasher that contains such. Just make sure it's only the King James you quote from. Devilish child.

Samuel and Joshua didn't make reference to the book of Jasher which you have today. The one they referenced was just a record book and not the inspired word of God.

The book of Jasher which you have today is a fraud and contradicts the Bible in so many ways. I just proved it to you, which you couldn't counter because you saw it yourself. Yet you still hold on to the claim that that is the same book Samiel and Joshua referenced?

Now, where did I claim the write-up was mine? Whether it is mine or not, one thing is certain: it exposes the falsehood of your satanic book of Jasher. Instead of you to accept, you are trying to draw attention away from it by saying I copied and pasted it here. What does it matter? The fact is that the write-up exposes your false book of Jasher, point blank.

bros. don't just say that am a Christian and I know my right from my left . Bible contains evil I mean crime against humanity if we should go deep in the bible so you mean God supported those massacre in the bible? slavery? raping in the name of holy war? so if that is the case then why are you opposing the boko haram people or herdsmen because they are the people carrying out god task but God forbid the God Jesus revealed to me in new testaments is the God I will like to serve period.

LifestyleTonite:
Errors and false teachings in the Ethiopian Bible


The false book of Maccabees which is part of the Ethiopian Bible teaches that one can use money to pay for the sins of the dead so they will be delivered from punishment in the afterlife. This false book has inspired the evil teaching by the Catholic Church that people can pay money to free their sinful dead loved ones from purgatory. Can you see how the Ethiopian Bible contains false doctrine?

2 Maccabees 12:43–45
43 He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. 44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.


The book of Tobit Condones the use of magic

Tobit 6:5-7 , "Then the angel said to him: Take out the entrails of this fish, and lay up his heart, and his gall, and his liver for thee: for these are necessary for useful medicines. 6 And when he had done so, he roasted the flesh thereof, and they took it with them in the way: the rest they salted as much as might serve them, till they came to Rages the city of the Medes. 7 Then Tobias asked the angel, and said to him: I beseech thee, brother Azarias, tell me what remedies are these things good for, which thou hast bid me keep of the fish? 8 And the angel, answering, said to him: If thou put a little piece of its heart upon coals, the smoke thereof driveth away all kind of devils, either from man or from woman, so that they come no more to them."


Teaches that forgiveness of sins is by human effort.
Salvation by works:

Tobit 4:11 , "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness."

Tobit 12:9 , "For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting."

This is in total disagreement with the four books below which all agree with one another that forgiveness of sin comes through Jesus Christ. Yet Okcornel believes the evil book of Tobit should be lumped with them.


Luke 24:47
and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

Hebrews 9:22
And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.



Okcornel the Ostrich, read link below to see how the Church Fathers you keep mentioning reject the apocryphal books contained in the Ethiopian Bible.


https://carm.org/early-church-fathers-apocrypha

those books you mentioned are in catholic good news bible , go to book shop request good news Catholic version you will find them there because the Catholic synod have canonized them!

Seated:
you prove yourself to be a satanist throughly.
you should take you argument to paul the. apostle

he said that the scripture makes the man of God perfect.
It means the scriptures is perfect and complete in itself.
But I dont expect anything different from someone who oppose the gospel



2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

you are not making sense here so because he did not abide to your own opinion is now a Satanist?. now are you telling me that those histories are inspired by God? what about if Constantine give verdict to include more books in the bible when they were compiling it together what will you say? do you know that Roman Catholic have more religious book in their museum in Vatican? the book they kept from mankind? you are talking trash because Ronan empire give you a little out of what they hide from mankind!

guuudy87:
If na naija now dem go talk say na juju

who told you that Indian don't do money ritual?where so do you think ocultic guys are getting their charms?

Kingosytex:
BBN dishing out celebrities to Nigerians since 2017. In the next few years most people will be celebrities. I wish them good luck in their journey to become one. May the spirit that monitored and destroyed many celebrity marriages never see them in JESUS NAME... AMEN

stop mocking Christianity because Jesus don't support indecency and immorality.

Cosmatikka:
No.1 already started at AFCON.
No.2 I like am sha cos my club no sabi score rebound
No.3 Diego Simeone will be having palpitations by now
No.4 Chelshit will suffer from did most
No.5 Arsenal signing Pepe dey pepper chelshit & Manure
No.6 Refer to No.5

I try to fish out sense in your post but it show the real reason arsenal is a colossal failure the last time I checked Chelsea wallop arsenal 4-1.

Janosky:
The point is no man can be ordained by his fellow man. Ordination is from the will of Jehovah God by means of holy spirit.
The minister must have a firm grasp of God's word, so he can minister to others.
Shalom.

okay! you now get my point! you people might not believe what divine call is all about you can check the story of Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jacob, John the Baptist, Jeremiah and many in the bible called for a special mission.

Janosky:
I twisted NOTHING !
These were some of the scriptures I listed for your consideration, you should have checked them.
Romans 1:1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be
an apostle, separated unto the gospel of
God,

1 Corinthians 1:1
Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ
through the will of God,


Acts 22:10,14-21
And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the
Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into
Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of
all things which are appointed for thee to
do…
Acts 26:16-18
But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have
appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make
thee a minister and a witness both of these
things which thou hast seen, and of those
things in the which I will appear unto thee;
…

Indeed, Paul was called,(or appointed, a Greek word synonymous with ordain ) a minister "through the will of God" and his son Jesus Christ.
He was well grounded in the Word by fellowship with believers.
Shalom.

oh go and check my previous posts I said give me a quotation where the apostles ordained Paul? I have told you that it's only Jesus and God have the power to ordain a man ! Jesus was the one that ordained Paul and the apostles ! So show me where apostles ordained any man.