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House2:
I never knew some reasonable and intelligent writer like you are still on Nairaland
99% of people just react based on emotion and the sour of the moment in our society today. We are devoiced of the capacity to reason.
Listening to the sweet phonetics of Pastor Chris on this subject, people had already agreed with his myopic view about how Economics works.
From this video, its glaring the he doesn't have the basic understanding or knowledge of what progressive taxation entails.

Someone should remind him to stick to his preaching of the word of God.

The sad part is the gullible amongst us had already taken his views on this subject hook line and sinker

Stack illiterates everywhere

I would use derogatory words to describe ourselves though. People see things differently and I might have been against this if I hadn't seen how many successful nations build and sustain wealth.

ambale:
And has the government ever distributed any wealth equally??

They live beyond their means and keep the people in perpetual slavery

Isn't it worrisome that an average working Nigerian can't even live a good life without getting their hands soiled?

No government is perfect. We could start by holding those in power to account. That includes politicians when they waste money snd pastors when they say things like this.

If you want a country with a thriving middle class where the average person can buy a new car, live in a decent house, enjoy good healthcare and infrastructure, then we need to understand how modern economies work. The system we have now only guarantees poverty.

If there's one thing to note, taxation manytimes helps citizens to be alive to their responsibilities. People are more likely to demand better when they can see it's their money being spent.

matify83:
I will spell it out for you to understand.
Don't be carried away by the reprieve it claims to offer to the poor.

1- Did you hear when it was said that even prostitutes will pay their taxes?
Are these the people that government should be concentrating on if they have no alterior motive.

2- The law also stipulates that no TIN no bank account. Don't you suspect foul play at this junction?

3- small companies whose total turn over is less than 50m are said to be exempt from CIT. What government did not tell you explicitly is that, they are still required to file their financial statements through the TaxPro Max portal each year to maintain compliance status. However, if the company fails to file returns on time, the benefit of N50million threshold is lost. Trust that most companies will not keep a good enough account of their financial transactions for the year to qualify for the tax holiday

4-The large companies and high salary individuals whose taxes has risen to a 25% at the highest point are mostly the owners of these big companies and they will just plough back the taxes as cost of production thereby causing the cost-push inflation I earlier highlighted.

What the government did not take into cognizance is that the rich always have a way of avoiding these taxes as they can funnel their salaries and allowance into their company expenses and it is legal. Ask Trump why he brags about not paying taxes and he's not in jail. It's called Tax loopholes

5- with the Cost-push inflation, who takes the hit , it obviously the poor and middle class in the society.

6- This new tax policy to my mind is going to roll back the cashless policy as most Nigerians would start demanding cash payments to avoid exceeding the 800k threshold.

7- Other obnoxious clauses have also been introduced into the tax law that we are still oblivious of and it has been gazetted. It's only in court you may find out and it may be too late by then.

No government should ever be trusted. Heed this advice for the peace of your mind.

What's your issue with companies paying tax?
Companies pay tax on profit which comes after expenses. Any large company should know that they'd pay tax. That's their contribution to the wider society. As the society gets richer and the middle class increases, their profits increase.
Any company with a turnover of 50million that cannot get it's accounts sorted in time should face adequate penalties. This is not rocket science- it's how societies work.
We need to stop seeing taxes as just someone taking but as part of the cost to live in a decent society. What we should push for is it being progressive and amounts raised well used.

Let me ask, what would be your solution to the 'issues' you listed?

nairalanda1:


See agbado boy defending his master online, can't these people see that nigerians cannot afford a cup of alomo bitters again'

On a more serious note, thanks, even I have learned a lot. But the thing is, in a country where most people don't pay tax, and most don't like seeing the big picture, people just reject good things out of hand.

Meanwhile, oil prices are set to keep falling, and it will take ages to fix agric and minerals to the level where we was a major producer, and even then that may not help us much...so tax

Also, it helps us to become a nation of saner people...living in a sane country of actual rules.

I don't support APC, but for once, let's start somewhere, or we keep on borrowing. (Sadly the tax thing won't stop borrowing, but it will hopefully reduce it). Oil is not going to climb up to 100 dollars per barrel, and alternative energy gets better and better

A progressive tax system heavily benefits the poor and also the rich. It's about the only way to stop the rich from getting accumulating all the wealth and leaving the poor to chase crumbs. To be honest, I'm surprised it took us this long.

If we think the no tax band is too low, that could be adjusted with time. If we think too many will evade taxes, enforcement should be broadened. If we think it'd be misused, we should hold our leaders to account which this actually helps to achieve

I agreee we need to start from somewhere. And BTW, I never supported Tinubu

HustlaOfLagos:
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"Analysis by Civitas of Office for National Statistics (ONS) data from 2020-21 showed a record 54.2% of people (36 million) now live in households which received more in benefits than they contributed in taxes."
https://news.sky.com/story/record-number-of-britons-receiving-benefits-that-amount-to-more-than-they-pay-in-tax-study-finds-12793349

I think this is part of the reason they assume every immigrant who obtains citizenship will go on to do the same

No 2 - There is no country on earth that punishes people who are willing to work with taxes and gives to the lazy that ends up working longterm as something has to give. I am not saying taxes aren't good but there should be a limit.

Interesting. Would be keen to know how this has changed between then and now.

Reminds me when the government decided to heap the blame on GPs and folks fell for it blaming GPs for the out-of-work culture. Ultimately that didn't change economic facts and the labour government knew there had to be some policy change. Look what happened when MPs tried to update the framework. It was definitely easier offshoring fault to someone else.

I gather there are now over 1 million young people out of work yet you keep hearing phrases like 'support' e.t.c. What support does a youngie who spends the day playing games in his mums council house apparment need to go work in Care? We should look at other systems in the west and do thesame not sugarcoating facts.

Like I told someone recently as we spoke about 'support'. Non-working young men should be given a new Mercedes S-Class, a regular supply of weed and perhaps Asian ladies to suit their desire. Most of them would be satisfied with this- they are Brits afterall. When the money finish all man eye go clear.

Goke7:
Like one of us here said some time ago the exit of care workers from the sector after obtaining ilr is their greatest worry especially now that overseas workers entry has been banned reason for the threat of 15 year ilr qualification to keep folks in that sector for as long as possible.

Bigotry is terrible, makes you look stupid no matter how you spin it. How you do explain to your people you can’t even find prison workers? Farm workers, care workers, delivery riders thank God bus conductors no exist for this country shortage go dey for that one too 😂 even police officers too they are looking for while patriots sip their beer at home!

Hehe... careful before you are accused of insulting Brits.

Imagine if Britain goes to war with Russia today... be rest assured there'd be a fast track pathway for 'brothers' from the commonwealth to join the British Army. Nobody would claim Army jobs are being stolen

galantjoe:
But the new tax system is not progressive. In sense that poor doesn't pay tax, for example someone earning 800k or less will not pay tax; someone earning 1m pays income tax at 15% but someone earning 25m pays income tax at 25%. It is not truly progressive. It also encourage people to remain poor so that they won't pay tax.

That's exactly what progressive taxation means. I.e people contribute more as they earn more.

Someone earning 800k a year is barely just scrapping by - that's less than a bag of rice for a full month of work. Someone on 25m has enough to spare even after paying 5m+ in taxes.

It's not encouraging people to be poor. Already, over 60% of Nigerians are poor and can't afford the basics. It's giving people the chance of living in a decent society with opportunities. The countries Nigerians japa to sustain their economies on steeper tax rates. The government should use the extra tax revenues to fund basics in the society. That way, everyone is better off.

A common misconception is that someone earning above a tax band would pay the full rate on their total income. What they'd actually pay tax on is the portion of their income above the treshold. In your example, someone earning 1m would pay 15% of tax on the portion of their pay above 800k i.e 15% of 200k which is 30k not on the whole 1m

Having a progressive tax system where those who have more, pay more is one of the very few ways of distributing wealth which ultimately results in a richer and fairer society.

The natural direction of wealth is to get accumulated (i.e those who have are more likely to get more making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Progressive taxation helps break that cycle and gives more people a chance

What we need to demand is good enforcement and that the tax revenues are used properly.

Ralphlauren:
Lol @ inaginary houses and billions.

His stories, timeline from when he relocated to UK, wealth generated/accumulated doesn't add up.

For someone that claims to be a "medical doctor", the time he spends on his forum is quite a lot

Hehe... I pondered on whether to respond to you or not. Let's be clear, I am not trying to change your mind but your post made me chuckle. I've been on NL since 2009, and every now and again I still get surprised.

Your post reminds me of a thread I encountered on Reddit. A very high earner who sold his business was seeking advise. One chap questioned what someone with such means was doing on Reddit. It didn't take long for other high earners to show him they were everyday people. The odd thing is that I spend relatively little time here. Elon Musk and Trump are frolicking on Twitter despite their schedule.


What I find even the more fascinating is what part of all I've posted you associate with 'wealth' or find widely unfounded. Is it hustling for daily bread or stating that I'm not worthless? I stumbled upon someone with 19 houses (yes nineteen) and I wouldn't even use the world wealthy to describe him. The word wouldn't even cross my mind when describing myself today. It's fascinating but not surprising - people appreciate only what they can see i.e, we tend to see the world thru our circle (no insult intended). This conversation shows that.

Santa2:
Apologies if this turns out to be a long post. This Nairaland is like a market place. You come and buy (and sometimes sell) the goods you want and use it to cook a delicious meal or dump it in the trash. I have always know always believed that two truths can exist. There will always supposed 'high fliers' and there would always be those that stick with the norm. I personally believe that both are necessary for a healthy community. One just has to choose where one falls under and in that process not look down on the next man because you think he is not striving to be better himself. Its ok if the next man to stay 15 years for ILR if that gives him peace, While it might might not be ok for me, I need to respect the next man's choice because we are not fighting the same battles. What prompted this post the issue where someone said @jedisco was boasting about his achievement. I actually think the opposite is the case. I don't think we showcase enough the path of a successful immigrant so other can get inspiration. I have learnt a lot from Nairaland and still keep learning, Over 14 years ago, nairaland was were I ran to when I wanted have our kid in the US and thankfully it provided me the information I needed and the community. When it was time to build our house back then in Nigeria, the housing/building thread was a valuable resource. In 2020 when I decided it was time for my masters study in the UK, Nairaland was the best resource.

I came in as student, Nairaland thread was were I went to for settling down tips, housing, banks accounts, building credit profile etc. I came in at the height of covid when we had to quarantine when we arrive. I got all I tips I needed. While I was a student I did part time care work, I was able to save almost £4000 living frugally, My spouse and kids joined me several month later and she got a very good job here (as she had extensive experience). while the company said they wouldn't sponsor, six month down the line as our visa was expiring they did sponsor her. I got a job after study with a subsidiary of the NHS that offered full remote work and didn't pay as much as I would have liked. I initially gave myself six month to stay in that job but I slowly settled into that job and started to see my self as not being able to earn more than that. I applied to other jobs but didn't get much traction. Through that period my wife and I applied for a mortgage got approved and bought a new build 4 bedroom terrace house and was thanks to guidance from the nairaland mortgage thread (thanks to rent money is dead money conversation that some fought against). When the mortgage payment hit I slowly realised that I would need to double my hustle. Enter in Nairaland again, I had already identified an area I wanted to pivot into but wasn't doing as much action as I would have liked. Then I stumbled on a comment from @copershun ( I hope I got her handle right) on recruiters reaching out to her for roles 70k to 80k, I contacted her and found out that it was the same Data Management/Quality I was play around with that she was referring to. I got serious and did the work, and a few month later started a managerial role in this area. Almost a year into the role I have already identified the next niche I want to play in . Someone might say I am here bragging or what's not but I just hope it inspires some to take step and action and build the type of life you want for yourself. I still am on a journey of self discovery, @chukwuma's post on entrepreneurship has also sparked another fire that I am looking to explore in the next year. Once I again I state that Nairaland is a marketplace, You come here and choose the ingredients you want, and the type of soup you want to use it to cook. Selah

Kudos. Your journey was tough but inspiring.

Interesting how this place has evolved.

AKALAMAGBO:
In the midst of all these brouhaha (immigrations stuff and vilification of Boris wave), we completed on the 27th of November and got the keys to our house. All thanks to the “Rent money is dead money” by LexusGS.

Honestly, it doesn’t scare me a bit as people panic on immigration whatever… I can’t continue paying rent for the next 3 years whilst on skilled worker visa if I have the means to buy. I know if push comes to shove, I can sell in 2 years considering I only took 2 years fixed term anyways, and please don’t tell me it’s easier said than done! I have weighed my pros and cons and I am happy with whatever decision I make as an adult.

Life goes on, don’t delay your plans for the fear of the unknown.

Nuggets from people like Jedisco also informed my decision on stock and shares ISA with InvestEngine. Truthfully, I wish I started early.

I like seeing posts from Zahra because they do contain immigration informations which are legit.
Also, her sound response to questions about things are unmatched here. Though, I still think Zahra and Jedisco should meet for a cuppa 😅😅

Peace ✌🏻

Hehe..
Congrats... may fortune favour you.

No forget pensions... still early days but it's one area I wish I tilted more towards. Not very easy if there's uncertainty about the future though.

Mcleo007:
Most people despise them because of the quoted. They are adept at identifying gaps and seizing opportunities. Generally a good thing, but most people don't like it to be them.

True. Many times, there's also the talk that they segregate against blacks, live in enclaves or unduly favour their own.
I've encountered certain incidents that made me concerned. However, I also weigh it in another light. We are communual being and we build wealth by forming communities especially when facing opposition. The Jews did this for centuries. White Europeans also did same but by conquest. Even today, Brits still stick to 'expat' communities when visiting developing countries.

Banter aside and thinking through, I notice there's an animosity/dread some Nigerians have towards Indians.

Having worked in the NHS, I'm no stranger to working with Indians in different capacities. Even in Cana, dem full and I interract with them as colleagues, staff, patients and in wider settings e.g sales people, realtors e.t.c. infact, one even floated the idea of opening a clinic together.

I see them as just any other cohort - having the good, bad and ugly all of which I've experienced both with them and other demographies. They aggressively seek business- just like most immigrants would and should. Of late, they've had alot of negative media directed at them most of which is driven by hate. I know Nigerians would have come under same fire if we were that visible.

I don't share most of the narrative but given some things have been often repeated by my people, I wonder if there's something I'm missing. I know it'd be anecdotal, I'm keen to know what peoples experience with them has been.

lavida001:
He is quick to shut people down I remember when he called me rat and all. Then noBody said a word, everybody just throw away face but if na lavida na then man like wilberforce go suddenly come out of retirement to ask for admin to remove me.

Na our people we dey accommodate him. No one here has the balls to say it as it is. Just like someone said here some moons ago that he is a politician he knows how to bamboozle our people.

Come online post about couple of houses and cars and brag about the imaginary millions in acccount and watch how naija people become loyal to you and they see no wrong in what you do. You become their mini god.

Him no go try am for CA forum , those ones no get joy. Them go position am for his corner.

Lavidaloca my compatriot, nobody called you a rat.
Like I said, the fact we want to build Nigeria is not the reason to lineup behind a rat. That was in response of your constant belittling of peoples hardwork- thesame group who are actively contributing to Nigeria's growth.
After all this time, I am still waiting for you to elaborate on how we should build Nigeria.


That said. I have noticed a phenonenom among those switching countries. Yes, access to opportunities matter but a lizard doesn't automatically become a crocodile by changing countries. Someone struggling in Nigeria moves to the UK and suddenly becomes a philosopher and starts chorusing 'give back'. Oga, hold body first. The reverse is also true. A first gen born abroad who was virtually scrapping the bottom of their society moves to Nigeria and think they're now an Einstein. Nigeria might have its problems but we're not that bereft.

Jamesclooney:
Baba shift enter Canada thread abeg.

You’re not the guy you think you are. Other people on this thread, don achieve pass you, but na you proud pass (on top faceless forum oo 😂). You don’t have monopoly on “wisdom” or whatever you think you have upstairs. Every small thing, “mental rigmarole”…”I can’t imagine seeing life through your lenses”. Free advice: Stop pontificating!
You too, I hope this is not the brain you want to use in Canada? If not those Indians would mess you up.

Quite pathetic. Is this your response to my question to point out where I was hauty? In todays world where immigrants are looked at with disdain, stating I contribute is fact not pride.


You'd be the third person (after Zahra and lavidaloca) asking me to go to the Canada thread perhaps in a hurry to look down on yourselves/Nigerians. Eitherway, that's quite rich given we're having this discussion on a Nigerian-based fora. They stopped a while ago after seeing the folly in it. I'd tell you what I told them- as far as the UK goes, by virtue of contribution and investment, I have been invited in and would forever be part of the British society. Today, one of my yearly holidays is reserved for the UK, if not for anything, to inspect my rentals. When I have kids, they'd be entitled to Britain by birth and their fathers sweat. When they are considering higer education, top British universities would be part of the options on the menu. I can return at any point I see fit and God willing when I retire, Britain would definitely be one of the options on my buffet.


Indians... interesting but not surprising you brought that up. What's it with a particular cohort of Nigerians and Indians? I've worked and work with them in multiple capacities and have never seen them as a threat- tell me about your hidden concern about them

Saccharine:
Jedisco if na boasting, boast dey go, I'm loving it as it gingers me like crazy! Don't know about others but I love to read about accomplishments and people doing well for themselves . I always look forward to your canny updates.

There's posts here for everyone..misery club, boasters club,humble club, rich club, poor club, striving club, riffraff club, oyibo can't do wrong club,Nigerians are evil club.. No problem, just concentrate on the posts that fit you, me, I fix my eyes on the posts that give me life

Una just too funny

Thanks for the nice words. At least the feedback was good. Na me be patron for utopia club

Interestingly, my posts aren't primarily aimed to motivate or ginger folks. I just get tired seeing a narrative that diminishes us being repeated and type to challenge that.

Progress is being made. Take a step back and even here, the narrative is changing.

When was the last time folks blamed migrants here for not being able to see their GP or for the state of the rental market? I remember unfoundly being accused of 'insulting Brits' like they were a different specie. Chai! we don see things. Whisper that today and you'd have to tell me what cohort I'm insulting. Story was that we no go fit make am elsewhere.. them no know say God rewards hard and smart work.... Finally, na God dey boil out water.

Goke7:
So this is really who you are? Doing cheap blackmail like Mtn (everywhere you go) 😂

Hehe... the trash people say.
Later, they'd hide under building Nigeria but are unable to structure a sentence on how to go about it.

Logged on to catch up with the mentions. Folks don build me duplex for their head - all rent-free. Abeg those building should include a swimming pool. If not, I no go collect

Jakpon:
Which Burkina Faso? Una go just dey cap wetin no make sense. Why don't you leave Nigeria and relocate to Burkina Faso.

Those ibos advocating for a military take over in Nigeria, should first start with their five south east states. Let them remove their Governors : Alex Otti, Hope Uzodinma, Charles Soludo etc, and then appoint Hausa officers as states administrators. Let's start from their first

Quite pathetic that you bring bigotry into this. Based on what did you brain tell you that Igbos support a coup?

Jamesclooney:
Oga please shift.

For someone who claims to be so “accomplished”and “winning “ , you brag a little too much for an anonymous platform. If it was LinkedIn or IG, maybe I would understand. But sorry for you, I’m not easily impressed (as I suspect others maybe too).

Enjoy your new found life/thread (Living in Canada - Life of An Immigrant).

I hope they enjoy the benefits of your superior perspectives.

Shalom!

From 'almost like you were doing the UK a favour' to this.

So much mental rigmarole. I wonder if you know what it means to brag. Being confident of basic self-worth is not pride. Next time, it's worth understanding a post before jumping into conclusions.

Jamesclooney:
You’re missing my point. In the previous post you kept going on and on about how you’ve contributed to UK more than others etc. Almost like you were doing the UK a favour…and my question was why did you decide to help UK? Why not help Cameroon or Zambia or Lithuania?

We all know the answer why…exchange of value. You had a skill and they offered you a job/immigration pathway. Had it been there was no opportunity, you’d have sat down in country of origin and forcefully contributed especially in the medical field where your skills are desperately needed.

So spare us with the whole, you’ve contributed so much blah blah blah. It was an exchange. Nobody forced you into it. Now the gig is up for other Nigerians/would be immigrants coming behind us…jungle go soon mature.

Hehe.. I wonder why you sound hurt. Perhaps, you should read my post again (which I have copied below) and tell me how you went from what I wrote to what you posted above. Just highlight what part of the post you have issues with.
The way folks think ehn... Next if I say I breathe in air to survive, you would say I'm claiming to breathe more air than others.

jedisco:
Is this supposed to be a threat? The stuff you spew.

Let me ask - exposed on what? Exposed that when the UK badly needed skilled labour I offered my services? Exposed that I gave over half a decade of my life in service of the British populace? Exposed that I was a significant net contributor by a very wide margin throughout my stay? Exposed that I decided to invest in Britain rather that take that to competing nations? Exposed that I continued the Lords work elsewhere? Exposed on what exactly?

Whether it's by nature or nurture, the more you type, the more it becomes obvious that we do not think alike. I can only thank God for wiring my brain differently from yours. Can't imagine what it feels like to see the world through your lens.

I'm sure if I came here calling myself 'third worlder', chorusing how something is wrong with the black man or narrating how I lower my gaze when being spoken to, you'd have called me a visionary.

lavida001:
Let’s get this straight being a net contributor doesn’t put you above anyone ok, everyone contributes to the pot in different ways. So get off the high horse and touch some grass.

Not everyone measures their life in houses bought or cars offered, and not everyone feels the need to parade their gains publicly like you constantly attempt to force it down our throats. You talk like people should be wowed about your gain. Talk about I bought a house. Oh I was offered 300k car as I arrived. Guess what most don’t care.

If that Dr Pepple guy was not dragged , he might probably be on x bragging about buying a house two weeks after landing in the CA . That ‘I’m better than the next neighbour mindset is exactly why some people look down on care workers, call others riff raff, or shame their career. Owing to them arriving when things were easier or had better information beforehand.

Keep the petite bourgeois performance to your family and your inner circle. And no carry am enter CA. I trust those ones dem go drag you. Your target audience isn’t here.

I will continue to say if you like bag phd, surgeon the western world will continuously see you from a reflection of your home country/ skin. Until we develop our ancestral home only then we can be free. ILR oo citizenship oo, West Indian ooo push comes to shove they will summarise us all in one shopping cart. And you need to get that global citizen ideology out your head there is nothing like that and we all know where we came from.

If you still don’t understand what I mean by you will be exposed then google “petite bourgeoisie” it perfectly describes you.

I'd end this and let you run along. You've had enough of my mental bandwidth for today. Whenever you start building your ancestral land, let me know.

Jamesclooney:
Just out of curiosity, why didn’t you offer your homeland - Nigeria - these amazing contributions? Why bless UK and Canada with your gift?

I didn't exactly fall into UK from the sky you know?

My contributions to the UK hasn't and was never going to solve all the nations problems with the NHS, housing e.t.c. The presence of ongoing problems doesn't negate the need for individuals to do their part. I do my part and move on - unapologetically seeking the best for myself.

For Nigeria, I'm particularly indebted to her. I did and continue to do my part and hope I could do more. Regarding 'giftings', every human is gifted. Is for each to make use of that with the resources they have in reach. This is something I'm grateful to the UK for- the nation gave me resorces and opportunities.

Goke7:
The problem is that some of our folks just want to force themselves to be accepted because we are naturally emotional and not transactional like westerners. The other day I saw a content creator intelligently analysing the benefits of having a passport from a western nation and how it opens us so many trans border business opportunities telling folks that’s how they should be thinking. If people can have this shift in their mindset then you don’t bloody care what the natives think or how they see you. Having that second passport is for your own personal ambitions and goals and not to become an ethno national or whatever is called. The people who sold you the passport are simply doing business with you and their expectations is that you think that way too.

True.. Going around expecting random folks to like/accept you before you before you can flourish puts a subconscious bar on what one can achieve.

I shake my head when I hear statements like 'what would the locals think?'
There'd always be crackheads posting what they like on social media. The world is bigger than that. What's worse is that most of the people making such posts would contribute much less to the society than the average migrant.

Provided my safety isn't at stake, I couldn't care less what someone else thinks of me - it's their problem. If directly they cross certain lines e.g racial abuse, I take it up - western societies provide reasonable recourse for this.

lavida001:
If advocating for a better Nigeria makes one have inferior complex then im happy with it. You are what we call petit bourgeoisie and sooner or later you will be exposed 🤡

Is this supposed to be a threat? The stuff you spew.

Let me ask - exposed on what? Exposed that when the UK badly needed skilled labour I offered my services? Exposed that I gave over half a decade of my life in service of the British populace? Exposed that I was a significant net contributor by a very wide margin throughout my stay? Exposed that I decided to invest in Britain rather that take that to competing nations? Exposed that I continued the Lords work elsewhere? Exposed on what exactly?

Whether it's by nature or nurture, the more you type, the more it becomes obvious that we do not think alike. I can only thank God for wiring my brain differently from yours. Can't imagine what it feels like to see the world through your lens.

I'm sure if I came here calling myself 'third worlder', chorusing how something is wrong with the black man or narrating how I lower my gaze when being spoken to, you'd have called me a visionary.

4ever1:
Exactly ,
This people even said a piece
of paper doesn’t make you British
We will always be third class in their eyes

I've always wondered why we place an undue significance on what every loner says about us.

You don't need to be British in everyones eyes in thesame way you don't need to convert your neighbour before you can practice your religion.

olubams:
However, in the midst of all this for "proessionals", I am discovering that people on "streets" are really busy. A guy came to change my tires and oil change and charge $210 for less than 1hr job told me he still has about extra 3 other appointments as at 4:30pm. Guys who tow vehicles are charging $300 for less than 20Km trip etc.

Career pivot/flexibility is the way to navigate this trying period.

Noticed quite a few handy workers seem to be thriving especially if one targets the right industry. Encountered a hairdresser who recently started it as a side hustle but now almost always fully booked that she's pivoted and does it fulltime.

Zahra29:
Lol @ the bolded because the irony is only a few pages back, you were accused of being detached from reality yourself.

I guess everyone's reality is different.

Hehe. Madam Z. Are you still here? You've not been as active since our last conversation about utopia land.

Greetings from utopia by the way. How is our homeland and the King? I an not sure how much I've missed. I might visit for Christmas. Would be nice to share a cuppa.

WanderingChild:
I am afraid to say we are not really net positive contributors to humanity. You mention education? Do you want to compare the education in Nigeria with what you get in an m7 university? Have you seen any Nigerian university ever in the top 500 of university rankings? ASUU is on indefinite strike, have you heard about that in Europe or America or China or Singapore? Nobel laureate (don't even say it)? Field Marshall? Turing?

Didn't take long to come thru.

Do you still believe that those who don’t have '£300k to take risk' are useless to humaninty?

Or that any youth not in the top 20 cities of the world is also useless to humanity?

Waiting for you to come with a quote from Oyedepo or a lecturer at Covenant. You sound far removed from reality.


P.s. I'm keen to know why you left your top-20 American city to seek pastures in the UK.

Goodenoch:
I saw this since when you posted it but I have found it difficult to formulate a response because I am genuinely struggling to understand how you felt comfortable saying all this.

People that entered via care route from Nigeria and non professionals who had a BSC sha and ‘ran masters package’? So…in other words healthcare workers and graduates who decided to emigrate to pursue economic opportunities just like you did but perhaps didn’t have the qualifications/opportunities you did?

You didn’t even think that by virtue of being graduates they have already attained higher qualifications than the majority of adults in this same UK?

And those are the people that you categorize as riff raffs because you happen to work at a university?

Their ring light behavior? What does that even mean? Is the percentage of immigrants who make videos up to 1% or even 0.1%? Even 0.00001%? How many Nigerians are on NIUK and what proportion do those that agreed about driver’s license form, from among the entirety of the Nigerian immigrant community? As a university worker you felt that was a representative enough sample size? Lol.

And how exactly do they act? Like stuck up pretenders who think they’re better than everyone else just because they managed to get a ‘professional’ job and so feel confident enough to denigrate the ‘average Nigerian’ at every turn? What does average Nigerian even mean

Lol . Man if you introspect a little bit more you’ll realize you’re not as far off from what you think an average Nigerian is as you might think, and I assure you that for all your pretensions the people you’re twerking for to show you’re ’not like the others’ see nothing but an average Nigerian when they look at you.

Many people have deep seated inferiority or self-hate issues and look to reflect their insecurity on others. Folks should read a bit of history and see if European migrants who went to places like Can/U.S or Aus had any qualifications.

Not to long ago, same chap was using racial slurs to describe Indians blaming them for his inability to secure a job as a security guard and jubilating on how Trump would 'show them pepper'. I'm guessing saviour Trump did a good job there.


Now, he's turned on Nigerians. One can describe themselves in what ever way. It's trying to pull others into a concocted thought process that worries me.

Very poor journalism.

What is IMO council?

lavida001:
Could Dr pepple be thesame Dr on here that recently moved to Canada 🇨🇦 🤔 just thinking out loud and between I’m happy he was dragged.

Hehe. Almost did not respond to you.... but na weekend and sipping my whiskey, make I indulge.

I see I am still living rent-free in your head. Don't worry, I'd soon do some renovation.
BTW, do you now call it Canada and not utopia? Hehe

I don't even know what group you're referring to. The world is much bigger than your tiny cocoon on social media. I remember you were one of those who warned folks not to buy a place in the UK. How's that advise going for you?

Like I've told you multiple times, I have no issue with you looking down on or calling yourself names. Where I draw the line is when you expect me to see the world as you do. Look outside your circle, not everyone talks themselves down. I share my experience so we can see there is an alternate reality as it's easy to think what you see is all there is to life. Afterall, it's been a while since folks here blamed migrants for not being able to see a doctor or for the housing crises. I can only hope you have stop idolising those who denigrate you.