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oluwaleokey:
Oga I want to believe you are also a politician (9ja + UK)
You have succeeded in confusing you .
Anyways I admire your writing skills and illustrations.
I can partially agree with you when it comes to aged single bachelors however for a men in their early 40's with family+kids?
Ordinary changing kids school within same locality could impact them let alone moving countries, perhaps different languages, culture, society, system etc u go know how far be that

E get age way man go reach like this, u go understand better say obodo oyibo nah obodo oyibo o, as long u see fine fine houses, roads, environment, white oyibo and most especially the foreign currency, otito!

Hehe.. hopefully, not all remain stuck there.

In life, we all make choices. Take two men of 40 with kids and put them in a workplace. Its almost guaranteed that in a period of say 15yrs, outcomes would be very different. Some of this might be by chance, some by effort. Infact many people refuse to japa in their 40's cos they dont think it's worth it whereas, I've seen a man in his mid 60's sell his house and japa. I've had married colleagues come into the country together, start at entry roles, after a while one keeps pushing on to advance while the other enjoys the entry role and remains there for periods on end. Again, none of these folks necessarily took a bad decision. They just focused on what mattered to them.


Even out of the workplace, the effort people put in things differ widely mainly based on the importance they attach to it. Move things over to say religion and some folks who were docile at work become firebrand. Again not bad, just choices- all of which come with implications.

Cyberknight:
No sir, I most certainly did not. You very clearly denigrated state school students in your original quoted post, now you're saying that you were only talking up private (fee-paying) school attendance.

That's a straw man argument you're trying to set up there, you know.

In any event, there's no point going back and forth, so I'll wish you a good morning when it comes and leave you to it.

Not surprised. Go read my post again.

In hurry to make insinuations you failed to understand the content of my conversation

oluwaleokey:
I believe age plays a major factor
You don't expect baba tunde with 3 kids or papa chukwudi with kids to jumping around countries even when they have got a reasonable paying job that's way above average pay?
It's entirely not a bad idea but remember some folks migrated with family or do not have age on their side anymore.
Good luck to all of us on any category we belong

I agree age and family can be a significant limiter but it does appear that just like with many things, some get it, some don't.

Even if you attempt to correct for certain variables and take two similarly aged folks in same field who came into the country at about same time and work for same employer, some would be satisfied just with the fact they're now in the UK and settle for whatever, some wouldn't.

Moving countries is a symptom of the underlying driver. One can work in thesame role all thru while still pushing up and being unforgiving about seeking and taking opportunities. You wouldn't regards Giggs or Xavi any less good because they played most of their career at one club.

Cyberknight:
Regarding the bolded comments, allow me to refer you back to your original premise that state school attendees are under-achievers, because you are clearly refuting your own argument and are arguing in favour of my assertion. Please also note that most grammar schools are state schools and private schools do not have catchment areas. The people paying high house prices and rents to live in these areas because of desirable schools are "rushing" state schools.

Regarding the italicised, I don't disagree with the fact that the UK is still a classist society and that (mainly white) public school leavers run the country, set themselves up through old boy networks, etc. It's well known (a recent report for instance showed that about 3/4 of judges are white and public schooled). That was not the point you were trying to make. You tried to assert that state school attendees are under-achievers dreaming of minimum wage obscurity, and I'm pointing out to you that that assertion is incorrect.

It appears you missed the whole point of my initial statement hence your post.

In simple terms I was saying that the worldview/mindset of a group of kids who attend a school where their parents could be paying over 10k per term (except they are talented enough to get a scholarship) would be on average quite different from the that of kids in a regular state school (which is largely a post code lottery). We can postulate what the possible drivers for this would be, but one thing is clear- it does feed into outcomes.
That's the reason I use private, grammar and even select regular state schools interchangeably in driving points. Many parents struggle to send their kids to these in an attempt to correct for certain variables i.e being among their peers with certain xtics.

Thats the whole point.

Cyberknight:
One wonders

I'd gloss over the rigmarole. The chap in question was the driver who drove me on home visits. With him working as a driver in different roles for over 20yrs in a county with quite a few private schools, I don't have a reason to doubt him especially as it fits with common experience.


The private school population in the UK is less than 10% yet even for a nation that is relatively fair and priced itself in upholding her working class citizens, over 50% of prime ministers in recent decades have been private schooled. That distribution is even more stark in certain sectors.

In the UK, a local student progressing to uni is hardly an achievement. People don't pay thousands in private fees so that their kids can go to uni.


To believe that certain forms of education don't carry a demonstrable premium (both perceived and real) is folly.

-My county has no grammar school yet there are quite a few folks who'd have their kids be transported almost one hour in each direction to attend a Grammer school in another county.
-Even the highly regarded state school in my county has by default added 15-20k in prices to houses within it's catchment.
-When I got my place, one of my top questions was the quality of schools around even though I didn't have kids.
-Some parents rent a place or engage in do alot of rigmaroles to ensure their kids are within the catchment of certain schools.
-Top unis had to go out of their way and introduce steps that broadened access as it was quite clear where their admissions tilted to.

I have not been one to push private (even in 9ja) but I've always asked folks with kids there if it was worth it and the response even for many struggling to afford it has been similar. Its less about what/how they are thought (which is manytimes better) but more about the mindset it inculcates.

Past governments pushed uni education as it was a proven pathway to break entrenched class barriers which the UK was known for. With the resultant increase in supply, the value of a bland uni degree may have devalued but there are still many fields/circles that are still quite elitist and difficult to break into without the right education/contacts.
Of late the UK tried introducing an apprenticeship program for medicine- a reason was the feeling that local admissions were quite elitist and did not reflect the demography of the local populace. It's even worse in law e.t.c

Goke7:
There’s never anything like uncontrolled immigration, visas were applied for and granted, even those coming by boats are being received and not that they just sneak in without anybody seeing them. The term or word uncontrolled is just political to always irk people against imaginary enemies. And even when the figures go down we still continue to heard the word uncontrolled!

Well said.

Zahra29:
Second gen? Lol

My question was simple- at what point does the change occur?
I see kids of colleagues and I dont see a Suelette or Kemi in them. At what point is that thinking likely to take hold?

Goodenoch:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DObsRoMjzGZ/?igsh=MTc1NnZ6ZmZ5azM3dA==

https://archive.is/W9ahu

Violent, lawless, broken Britain? The facts tell a different story

“The populist narrative of a migrant-driven crimewave is catnip on social media and oil to the wheels of Reform. But it is so far from the truth that we’re in danger of losing sight of the country we live in.”

It becomes impossible to believe what the facts do seem to suggest: that our society, for all its faults, is probably safer, richer and better than any before it....
Such scepticism is partly human nature: as living standards rise, expectations rise faster. What was once extraordinary soon becomes the baseline; discontent becomes the norm. Which is just as well, because discontent remains the engine of human progress.

Interesting article... one I'd sure bookmark.

It's puts succinctly something I noticed a while back and my major bugbear of working in the UK- the entitlement was insatiable.

With investment and funding etc, the NHS might someday catch up with demand but it'd never catch up with how entitled the current British poplace are.

Older colleagues would recount how decades back, they did much less with much poorer health outcomes yet folks were appreciative and felt they were saving the world. Today, health indices are close to the best they've been yet healthcare workers are hounded.

All said, while not discounting the real challenges with the NHS, I believe that if people start self-paying for part of their healthcare like is the case in Canada, the EU and AUS, satisfaction might actually rise.

HustlaOfLagos:
Thanks!

I appreciate this response.

For the bolded, I'd say it all boils down to one's circle, mindset, and if one is willing to strive for stuff and work hard towards it.

Many Nigerians walk with people in HC so they somewhat think thats all they have to do. Even worse when their friends want to pull them down with the typical crabs in a bucket mentality. Someone with solid banking experience in Nigeria should not be striving to work long shifts in HC when finance is one of the hot cakes in the UK if one actually works towards it

The circle theory can't be underestimated. One can't achieve what they can't see. The only reason I applied for my UK second tole was cos of a friend I came in with pitched it to me - I told him anyhow, I'm doing nothing now. Make we dey go. That has turned out to be one of the best decisions I made in my life so far. To contrast, there was another brilliant colleague who had been in the role we were joining for over 2 years with no progression. When he heard about our plans, he was shocked. Like wetin give una this mind. Even on my Canada waka, a close friend who was non-committal but 2 months after I waka, we spoke and he said I'm moving over. Already, he don join body.

A chap who used to drive kids related the huge difference in midset when talking to kids in local state schools vs private schools. He recounted that many of the state school kids would be talking about going to work in McDonald's e.t.c after they're done with no plan of progression. For the private school kids, it's which of the reputable unis they'd attend, where they'd go on a gap year e.t.c. It doesn't take a magician to see attainment would be vastly different.
If most of your circle bought their places or are into property, statements we've heard repeated here e.g 'what would the locals think' would not even cross your mind when you come to buy your place.

Folks should be able to pick up any job to feed their family but if you were a professional/doing well in 9ja, then it's worth taking the time to craft a pathway for yourself. It doesn't necessarily have to be in same field but it should pay well enough to see you enjoy things of life and plan for retirement. This is not even factoring in running a business

Goke7:
Those kind of aggressive and violent Christians are not different from Islamic fundamentalists. They are much in America and are great proponents of gun rights. They will tell you they are pro-life when it comes to abortion laws but can never be pro-life for gun control 😂

Hehe... In UK, many of those have not even seen a church in ages but all of a sudden become defenders of the church because the brown man next door is of a different religion.

I was only just having a conversation about that on Nairaland as it seems Kirk is now the new martyr. The rally of certain Christians towards lunatics- people who hate them for their colour all because that lunatic said 'go to church' or uses certain phrases is something else. Religion can truly be an opium

Goke7:
When Braverman too was reminded that her parents were refugees she replied that they were legal refugees 😂 that’s when I knew these folks are just jesters!

Hehe... didn't read this.

But seriously, I just can't narrow it down.

Though anecdotal, I have tried speaking to second-gens at different levels and still can't pin it down.
I look around and see kids of recent arrivals happy and mingling I just can't envisage them telling hardworking migrants in say 20yrs how they're parasites and their parentswere the model migrants. It boggles my mind. Perhaps our prominent second gen @Zahra29 could be of help here.

HustlaOfLagos:
..And here I am, feeling guilty as I am trying to test the market and see what's good after 1 year LOL

Did you have to pay sponsorship costs each time? That is the only reason I considered staying till after 2 years but with the way the UK is, best to enjoy yourself and at least earn well before they change rules again

I'd say be unapologetic about seeking the best for yourself along as it's within the rules and you try not to shatter connections unduly.

With many things, some people get it and some dont. I think it was Charlie Munger who said that when asked about having an economic mindset.

There are huge bottlenecks but it irks me when I see people limit themselves mentally and dont grab opp

When I came into the UK, despite my first role being a well paid job, I started planning for and went to an interview for my second role before fully starting the first. In 5 months, I resigned and moved on.
When I completed post-grad training, I narrowed down to 3 workplaces and was very clear. For the first, despite they had applied to the Home Office for visa sponsorship because of me (and got it), I told them if they can't match market rates I wouldn't be taking their offer and moved on. For the remaining two, I told the familiar one what the other was offering and as they couldn't match it, I left.
I enjoyed where I worked and after 2 yrs, resigned and worked via my company.

When the Canada PR route for healthcare workers launched, I grabbed it without thinking twice. Many here said I wad seeking utopia but I knew better.
On moving to Canada, after consideration, I decided to go with two clinics and work across sites. They are both aware. My plan remains to test both out and finally settle into one. No regrets so far.

At every stage, I had colleagues who had dithered and never took opportunities when they presented themselves. Many spent years with no forward plans. Recently I asked a recent arrival what their plans were and the lack of depth was annoying.

Reason why when folks insinuate opportunities are only out there for healthcare workers, I wonder whether its more of a chicken and egg scenario. Is it because that cohort are relatively less likely to settle for less? Even in 9ja, same was the case

Onlinetutor7:
Why cry more than the bereaved. Be an atheist in Peace.

You don't need to go ad-hominem when out of depth

I'm not an atheist. I'm a Christian and know enough about Christian values not to see Charltans like Trump as role models.
Whats next? Tomorrow you'd line up behind an active p0rn star because they said 'go to church'?
Are you that easy to manipulate?

Biglittlelois:
Control them remotely how? Explain in details pls

It's like the old quote- religion is the opium of the masses.

It seems people would follow any lunatic as far as they say something pro-christian even if that person is actively working against their interest. Pointing towards people who are openly racist to blacks as a reason why we should go to church does not make sense.

It's not hard to see how this would ultimately damage Christianity among the younger generations if it continues.

jesusjnr2020:
For those here who once bragged about the world's richest man, Elon Musk being atheist, it's becoming more and more obvious that they've lost their biggest fish even if he once was.

He himself said quite recently he believes in Jesus and His teachings, hence this single act of openly sharing Erika Kirk's "Go to church" post on X may just be the latest confirmation of his faith in Jesus.

God bless.

If Elon musk and Kirk are you pointers for Christianity, then I'm ashamed.

The use of religion to these people is to use it as a remote to control your likes

Mcleo007:
There is a possibility that the ILR might not apply retrospectively and may only apply to individuals already on the routes when the rules are introduced.

Forcing people to work for the same employer for 10yrs is peak wickedness. Unless the visas are made to make job switching easy, otherwise, it's nothing but a modern-day slavery.

With all being said, this move might be the biggest revenue generator for the government since they came to office.


So after 8yrs in the country, one could have 60 days to leave the country should they lose their job. That's incredibly punitive.

Even with the job security my role had, I still felt being on a visa unduly restrictive.
Most of what I achieved in the UK financially was thanks to visa restrictions that were lifted during covid and the freedoms I had post-ILR.
The ultimate outcome here would be much reduced attainment (health, financial e.t.c) for immigrants which would likely spill unto their kids. Then same folks would point to that difference as an excuse to go further.

With this, top shooters and folks with options will likely use the UK as a stepping stone to other nations while many who'd remain would be for lack of alternatives. Of course, there'd always be folks seeking to come in.

Goodenoch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez1cn8d28_8

Niko Omilana at the ‘Unite the Right’ rally.

After 2 attempts, I did watch most of it. Not surprised. What's more telling is that though folks in this video look largely rundown, such narrative permeates thru most sectors in different shades. It usually usually only takes a scratch to bring it to the fore.

Also not surprising that the distinction is based on colour and religion not when ones progenitors arrived. It's a very thin line between true concern about immigration and these folks.

What I however find surprising is rising islamophobia. As someone who is a Christian, though I sadly don't go to church regularly, I was usually the most religious person in my cohort. I begin to wonder where all these Christians that want to save their country come from.

ReesheesuKnack:
They want to impose a 6% TAX on International Students so that they will use the money to fund grants for ‘Home’ students!!!!

The same international students that even after getting glossy paper UK degrees will wait a minimum of 10 years to get ILR?

I have a very strong feeling that the Labour Party rep that used to be on this thread, MissJekyll has Japa’ed a long time ago.

What I find most interesting about this announcement is how much little press coverage it got i.e the actual source of the grant. This is virtually the only place I see it mentioned. Its quite telling.
This sure goes against the constant narrative of migrants not contributing despite independent data showing they contribute far more than their local counterparts.

I remember saying during the last visa fee and IHS increase that the UK has seen migration as a low-hanging income source. They'd keep going at it until something breaks.
If not anything, this demonstrates once more my favourite guiding quote- one which many struggle to grasp in their early days here. we're not here because we're wanted. We are because we are needed. In simple terms, we're not being done a favour. It's the main reason why I have always been unapologetic in seeking the best for myself.

Hehe @missjekyll.. perhaps she felt she could do without emotional exchanges which she did seem to have many of

Raalsalghul:
What's the difference between increasing the time to get ILR retrospectively and reform deporting folks with ILR already?

On this, Labour has no moral ground like opined in this article since both policies are the same and will unsettle the people who are in this category.

Make them rest abeg.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/28/keir-starmer-says-farage-plan-racist-deport-people-settled-in-the-uk

She said her parents, who settled in Birmingham in the 1970s, didn’t “just come to work – they settled, they made a contribution to the local community, they were volunteers, they got involved in local politics. They did more than simply work and earn a salary.”

I have always wondered what goes on in the mind of certain second gen folks. It appears they truly believe their parents had widely different (i.e 'better') characteristics than those coming today. At what point does this thinking take hold?

Looking at the description of her parents, it's quite clear they were everyday hustlers however, she's made up this complex in her mind about them being high-riders. I'm sure if you ask Kemi, she'd say her mum who edged in her birth in was also a 'contributor'

I am truly curious as this is a narrative I'd look out for in my kids and challenge if present.

safex:
I'm an auto exporter but I help people buy cars at auction for use here just in case anyone is interested. Cheers

Do you have a contact that undertakes customs clearance in Nigeria?

Once considered buying and shipping but that was from the U.S

Always asked myself this and never got a sensible response. I stumbled upon it one day I decided to read the favourite anti-trouser passage myself and carried on a few verses on.
Most who want to die upon the matter of women wearing trousers don't even know this verse exists.

Funny thing is that most modern clothing have different fabric mixed in one. Check the label of a shirt and you'd see 70% cotton, 25%polyester e.t.c. Good thing is that they're both in thesame chapter and close together so I wonder how one can excuse a verse and die untop the other.

Jamesclooney:
Starmer truly wan use his own hand to topple his government. Digital ID to stop illegal immigrants working? WTF?! The guy is so tone deaf.
Abeg make I brace for the new govt, this guy can’t last another 12 months. Useless govt! Keir Starmer, I pour you pregnant woman spit 💦

Quite interesting he chooses to bring this on now knwoing fully well there'd be good opposition to it.
I'd discount most of of the backlash though which seem to stem from conspiracy theories that have blossomed of late.

Eitherway, no matter what, he should do himself good and not backdown on this as a retreat might very well be the end of his premiership.

lanresz:
However, over the 30 to 60 years, new communities are established and people tend to move to those communities leaving the older ones behind. Lot of these communities are in downtown full of undesirable characters. If you buy a 30 to 60 year old house, a lot could happen in 15 - 25 years when you might be looking to sell it. It depends on where the market is at that point. One thing I have found about Canada is that it is very underpopulated given the landmass......The point I'm trying to make is that with the land size, it is difficult to predict what would happen in 15 to 25 years when one might be looking to sell. Some of the old houses are knock down to build new ones. If the house is in a desirable area like River Valley in Edmonton and the lot size is big, a developer may pull the house down and build 2 to 4 houses on it. A lot goes into play. Given the increase in cost of heating and the temperature in Canada, people care a lot about how energy efficient a house is.

I hope I answer some of your questions.

Interesting and true.
The first thing I noticed in Canada is the ample space. For the most part, there's free room in most directions. When folks put down Canada's housing crises to lack of space, I smile... I tell them the issue is too much space. How can you have the equivalent of almost a dual carriage way in a resi area and as if that's not enough, add another road behind

It's something I'd keep in mind but a bit worrisome though especially coming from a system where I know for the most part, future builds would be father out and not as connected

Sonnobax15:

The real definition of who an African man is...

Our forefathers married multiple wives and they all lived long,but we the men of this generation who are forming civilized end up dying very young.

Crap.
It's high time we start building modern and functional societies rather than chasing frivolities. The world is leaving us behind. This is not 1300 where your number of wives is a bragging right.

NosyNursy:
If it’s weekly, and almost 45% is chopped in tax, does that not give a reason to vex?
The remaining change is what I’m expected to use for bills, rent, food, council tax, etc

Truly, it's tough but just imagine if you were paying 40% base rate (as against 20%) plus NI, student loans (perhaps) and losing out on certain benefits. Some peole get only 28 - 35% of increments after certain thresholds.

Just ran a quick querry thru GPT and this is the result for the 'death trap' between 100 and 125k. This is not even considering pensions which many ultimately have to use to reduce their taxable income

Goodenoch:
Pension is not a tax though, is it?

You can choose to cancel your contribution at any time (although of course that would be a massively foolish thing for anyone to do).

Anyway, this is definitely not the full story because you would pay 0 PAYE if that was truly your full earnings per month. NI contributions would also be negligible.

Overall, I’m a staunch believer that the UK is not overtaxed. Everything we benefit from (even though we cannot access benefits lol) needs to be paid for - infrastructure, security etc - and it’s very middle of the table compared with many other countries with similar systems: https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/27/uk-workers-tax-wedge-infographics/

Fair enough.
Low to mid earners in the UK pay relatively lower taxes when compared to other nations. Added to this is the fact that our minimum wage is one of the highest in the OECD and it's increased yearly. This is not counting the generous benefit system (for eligible folks) and free healthcare. Where the UK really trumps others are the tax free or tax efficient accounts. Combining pensions and ISAs, an individual could save 80k per year - a good chunk of which remains tax-free. Very few western nations (if at all any comes close)

Folks having it tough are immigrants still on a visa due to limited opportunities and higher earners who bear the brunt of the taxman without comparatively high incomes they could command in other countries. Overall, this reduces inequality in the UK but also leeds to flight of human capital.

Goke7:
Just schoolboy politics, leaving more serious things to focus on the most vulnerable population they can find, easy to suppress.

Maybe by the time they are done with people with ILR or permanent status, the next will be naturalised citizens. Who else will they blame next for their woes? Gradually they are getting there 😂

Students' dependents - cancelled, care workers overseas and dependents - cancelled, skilled workers with less than RFQ 6 - cancelled, medium-skilled workers' dependents - cancelled, ILR - to be cancelled, naturalised citizens -

Hehe... the citizenship treshold would cause alot of chaos moreso with Britain having roots thatrun wide.

A whisper mind tells me with time, they'd say dual citizens would not be eligible for state pension. That'd be an easier hurdle to navigate than reforming (i.e cutting) the state pension. Eitherway, I'd still continue to make voluntary contributions as a proper citizen looking to help the Treasury

Reform forcing Labour into the corner while out of government might be the very thing that'd lead to their demise. Labour would likely exhaust all options before Reform gets in (if they do). By then, all it'd take would be an inevitable cut in benefits or state pension for a good chunk of Farage's support to evaporate.

Ultimately, my British compatriots need to understand that this is not 1860 or the hay days of the empire. Britain is a dying empire and they need to adjust to the fact that things are not as they were in the past. Today, some of those migrants from previously colonised states are collecting rent from Brits in GB

Raalsalghul:
This is exactly what would happen.

The centre of gravity for UK politics has certainly shifted right.

Current Labour is centrist and spineless.

Too bad, a far left party such as Greens or Your party has struggled to gain traction. With Starmer not being a firm leader, he may invariably drift towards the right (as he's already doing) until he understands theres no vote to be won there

Igbamatigbi:
Hello, please is it possible to get mortage with less than 8 months on visa? My visa will be renewed in another 8 months but I want to start the process now for a old build house thanks

Depends on your role. Ive seen someone get in less time though he was set to go.

Goke7:
.... The UK PM was the one who actually played into these folks' hands with all those earlier economic policies of scrapping welfare here and there. If he were more focused and brave enough like his counterparts in France and Germany, Nigel and his gang wouldn't have grown this much in popularity. His political naivety is what has caused all this.

Hehe... I wouldn't be surprised if Starmer's response to this is to hasten up the 10yr ILR bill. He and Kemi need to understand they wouldn't beat Reform in right wing policies neither would they convince core right wing voters to choose for them over Reform.

My main concern with Nigel is that he has shown he can cause havoc out of government by driving policies even for governments that oppose him. If not for the folks that my suffer, I'd really want him to be PM. In a country like the UK with a promptly unforgiving political system (unlike the U.S), it'd be nice to see him run the economy.

Fred2020:
Anyone potentially affected should take a brace position and plan alternatives.

The UK is ultimately going to become more nationalist with minorities and vulnerable groups being scapegoated even by Labour as they are chasing the tailwind of reform. I expect Labour to roll out some very restrictive policies against legal migrants in the coming weeks to try to take the wind out of Reforms sail.

Ultimately, everyone other than the stereotypical white British will likely be hammered and blamed at some point in time as nationalists gain in the polls.

The UK's path to a turnaround is likely to be in the events that the US strong rightwards swings result in severe economic and social setbacks much like UK's experience with Brexit became a lesson for other right-wing parties in Europe to shelve the idea of leaving the EU.

Well said. The reality is that many will struggle with that given the general preparedness and current world climate.

It does seem the only thing stopping Reform at this stage would be a woeful performance of Trump or a huge scandal. A scandal is less likely given Nigel's supporters would turn a blind eye to anything he does at this stage.

lavida001:
So this Canada man still dey here 🤣 Thought you left for good. Love to the family 🤣

Not surprised. Guessing this is how you hope to build Nigeria.

lavida001:
What’s wrong with these Pakistani men and sex. They are always tied to sexual scandals. Disgusting 🤮

What if it was a white British man, what would you say?