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If I have, it has to be Kiki Omeili

Mrval20:
Not a Nigerian but looks like one. The Electric Lady.

no way! You certainly are not refering to janelle monae are you?

Kay17:
In my view, the term God is meaningless. It is jargon. It is like asking for where Zebraia is.

With the right quantity of Faith, Zeus and other Gods can easily play the role of source of life.

you see, dis is the challenge. It is good that it is only in your terms that God is meaningless. That means you have work to do.

Why not take out time to investigate if God truly exist? I mean the over 4billion people that believe in God, can't all be wrong na! Atleast they are not all illiterate.

[quote author=Kay17 post=26980883]If your conviction is based on what I cannot do, then it is not valid. It should be based on what you have discovered that is APART FROM what me or any other believer say or doesn't say.

But like I said, how can zeus be the source of life when he had parent? His position was more like that of the president of Nigeria. Same with the other mythical gods- they were all positional leaders that's why they all have portfolios

finofaya:
Sorry about the delay.



Religion clearly exists. God's existence is not equally obvious. That's why I said that God, not religion, is nothing more than a theory.



Miracles are unreliable. They have never been replicated. They never occur where they can be recorded properly. There tends to be more reports of them where there is more hardship and lack of education. A lot miracle claims have been shown to be either false or to simply involve the happening of a statistically unlikely event. Miracles claim to involve breaking natural laws but there are no miracles that are outside the ability of man to manage, such as the growing back of limbs or resurrection of persons with extensive damage to their body. There are just so many grounds to question the truth of a miracle claim.

A personal encounter with the divine, as you may have heard before, is in the realm of psychosis and hallucinations. What are we to do with a report of an experience that only your brain perceives, sometimes even with others present around you, when almost everybody is known to have similar experiences? If I told you I fell into a trance in which I saw the ultimate proof that there is no God, would you without any skepticism accept at once that there is no God? You would prefer to put my so called proof to the test.

Attributing things to God because you don't understand them is one way of jumping to conclusions.

things a philosopher would say. If I may ask, what is religion built on if not God? What is religion without a divine being?

Wow! You are so impossible!
Goshhh!!! I don't know what to say to you reading through what you just wrote. Not because I lack what to say, but because you are too full of logic.

I am sure you read too much of Hume and nietzsche.

Saying miracles or supernatural occurences happen mainly where there's poverty or lack of education is so wrong and a disrespect on the intelligence of believers. What would one gain by faking a miraculous happening in his life? Wouldn't it be lying to oneself?

I also disagree with you saying every miracle is something that can man can manage. Saying that is contrary to science because medically, there are cases that are referred to as impossible. But I invite you to the gathering of believers any day you are chanced if you want to see proofs that you yourself won't be able to deny except ofcos if you are just trying to be adamant and not accept it
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But let me ask, what is the source of life? I mean is it possible to bring out something out of nothing?

Seun:
If there were references to Orunmila, Sango and Obatala in the our national anthem, pledge, constitution, etc, wouldn't you want to have them removed? As a Christian, you would not want your children to have to recite an anthem or pledge that refers to gods or Gods that you don't believe in. That's the same way that Atheists in the US feel about having references to God in their national anthems, etc. However, most atheists don't even care about these things. The people who fight these battles are militant atheists. Most atheists are mellow.


How would you feel if a public school financed by your taxes started building monuments to religions you don't believe in? Would you support the building of Mosques or Orunmila shrines on the premises of the school your child attends, using your money? I don't think so!


It is wrong to suspend a student just for reading his bible during break. Most atheists would gladly defend this boy's right to read any book that he feels like reading during break. But according to the school authorities, that is not what the boy was actually suspended for. "But a spokeswoman for the Grossmont Union High School District — the district named in the suit — contends there’s much more to the story. She couldn’t elaborate, however, to KGTV because of federal privacy laws." Source. Many atheists love to read the bible.


Let's say that there are 100 religions in the world. As a Christian, you believe in one religion but you don't believe in the other 99. That makes you a believer in one religion and an atheist to the 99 others. You don't believe in Islam? Me too. You don't believe in Zeus? Me too. You don't believe in the Lord of Light? me too! You don't believe in Ifa? Me too! You have more in common with atheists than you realise.


I can direct the question back to you. The existence of Allah, Ifa, Zeus, Sango, and the Lord of Light haven't been proven to be false. Why rule out the possibility that they are real? Why don't you believe in these other Gods too? Why do you think Ifa worshippers are misled?

first of all, making reference to sango or any of the other names you mentioned in the constitution or any other symbol of national unity would be inappropriate because it has to do with a particular ethnicity. Therefore, doing such would make the constitution lumpsided as it favours one religious group over the other. God in the national pledge for eg, is in a broad sense; it is now up to you to interpret it based on your belief. I am a Christian, therefore I will interpret it as God Almighty, a muslim may refer to the statement as Allah, and a traditionalist can relate it to whatever god he believes in.

Just like Nigeria, a chunk of the schools in America, has Christian roots(as they were founded by missionaries) so pillars of Faith has been part of these schools since inception. But I wasn't just refering to schools, the clamour was that religion be taken out of the public: parks, streets corners etc there are even calls for the phrase,"in God we trust" to be removed from the currency.

Now, we know that even though atheism has been around for a very long time, it was only some 30 or so years ago(I may not be correct though) that they really began question every thing questionable. But the US, just like most countries with early civilisation, was founded on religious beliefs and so we can't say the laws of those countries are biased toward atheist because they were somewhat non existent when these laws were made.

From time in memorial, different groups of people have believed in different creatures and beings. Some living, some sculptures.

Even today, we have people worshiping human beings eg beyonce, maradona and other public figures. And they all have seemingly cogent reasons for believing in such beings. Perhaps these people have seen evidences of the effect of these beings in their own lives-am not ruling that out.
But I believe in God Almighty because I know Him and have experienced him and so I am certain he exist. Perhaps these other folks have the same testimonies of what they believe in. I don't think anyone is fo0lish enough to follow after a divine being without a reason for his belief! But whether that reason is right or not is another discussion For another gathering.

My argument is this, atheist would tell you God is unproven and that's what I don't quite agree with.
Rather, the fact that you(as an atheist) have not been able to prove the existence of God, doesn't mean others that believe in him have not also been able to prove his existence. You don't believe because YOU CAN'T PROVE HIS EXISTENCE not that his existence hasn't been proven.

Religion is based on faith in God and not reasoning or logic(logic is a slap on the Supreme nature of God that makes him above us).

But I'll tie-up with this question: in a situation whereby my human right is in conflict with your human right, which of these individual rights should be respected or honoured?

I thought charlie boy only has one child( a daughter)that celebrated her 21st birthday recently?

Who come born these cute boys



But again, why them allow their hair dread na

Kay17:
So also is Zeus, and other Aztec Gods, they too lay claim to being the source of life. Or are they the Gods you describe?! You are still unclear

nah! Zeus, huitzilopochtli and all them other gods that you talked about cannot be the source of life because they represent a particular element: thunder, sun, fire, stone etc

Btw, the argument is not about different gods there are because you don't believe in any so why bother which I was refering to?

We don't have any problem with them using the hijab as long as they hung it on their neck while on queue- too many atrocities go on under the hijab.

In kaduna these days, whenever them hijabi girls enter any shop, they are asked to hang it round the neck because things they loss for shop after them leave.

Won't forget during the 2011 elections voting in gidan sarki ward, a woman was caught with thumb printed ballot papers under her hijab attempting to stuff the ballot box with it.

No thanks to the crowd that obviously were supporting the candidate of the party that was thumb printed she was allowed to go and the police man there couldn't do a thing.

We don't want such in 2015. Either you hang your hijab round your neck, or you tie headtie.

egift:
PDP denied Ribadu their ticket and gave it to Fintiri because he was in power with hope it will help Jonathan. Now that Mr Bala Ngilari is reinstated, he can easily become APC candidate since Ribadu and Marwa are out of the equation.

Up APC!!!

you wishhhh!! Adamawa is PDP all the way.

Kay17:
I will prove it. The starting point is, who is God?

God is the source of life.

Fake list. No kenneth copeland, joel osteen, brian houston, pst macedo, pst adeboye, pat robertson etc. By the way, as of last count, td jakes was worth over 150million dollars.

But it is good to see pastors doing well! Indeed God is faithful in meeting the needs of his servants.

Cr7 said," I do my talking on the pitch."

Oga Enyeama, We don hear this same talk over and over again; and the more una dey talk, the worse e dey become.

So, shhhh! And talk the talk on the field of play. But sha, I hope u and ur boys get the legs to take walk the walk

No its not. It is based on the absence of evidence for God.[/quote]let's not hold too tightly to our individual beliefs for once and let's view things from your own angle.

We were all brought up in a religious society that believe in the existence of a Divine being or divine beings, we were taught that right from time. Our fore-fathers believed it also ie it didn't start from this generation.

Now, we can't just all together dismiss this age long belief all in one day abi? So now, viewing things from your point of view, what evidence do you have to disprove the existence of a divine being other than the theory that," man thought the earth was flat, until it was later discovered to be spherical" and so man could have made the same mistake about the existence of a Divine being.

NB: let your answer not be on assumptions drawn from other similar assertions now disproved, but from tenable proofs. Thank you.

finofaya:
I don't see religion as science. I'm not a philosopher. I said that God, not religion, is at best a theory, and an unreliable one at that.



Anybody that believes that God exists should have tenable reasons for holding such a belief. If he wants me to share his belief, he has to share such tenable reasons with me.




Any means of proof that is accepted as sufficient for other matters. It could be direct evidence or even by an argument.



No its not. It is based on the absence of evidence for God.

well, religion is born out of a belief in God so you can't dismiss the object and accept the subject.

Proof!! What type of proof will be tenable for you?
If I share my personal miraculous experience(s) you'll dismiss it as fabricated. If I share those of others that I heard or read, you'll say it doesn't hold water. If I talk about Divine encounters(small and big) you'll still call it myth. So what manner of proof to you want because I believe that among other things,testimonies borne out of personal experience(s) should be valid enough.

Kay17:
My answer is "yes". However my belief is a confirmation of my conviction, it would be a contradiction to have doubts over my convictions.

hmm...ok! If I could ask: is there a substance inspiring this conviction? Eg a proof of his non-existence?

finofaya:
Hello.

I'm agnostic-atheist (fence sitter).



I'd say no.



God is unproven. He is also not disproved. However, the current absence of evidence for his existence is exactly what would be obtainable if he did not exist. You are therefore entitled to act as if he did not exist.

Religion involves acting as if an unproven God does exist. Being unproven, God is no more than a hypothesis, at best he can be a theory. A theory is something we can jettison if we find another better theory to replace it or if we find that the evidence does not support it.

In most religions (including christianity and islam), it is never found that the evidence does not support God, instead God is redefined to accommodate the evidence. For example, God is said to be all powerful and all good but when presented with the problem of evil, especially gratuitous evil, God is implied to lack some degree of control over evil while at the same time no concession is made as to his omnipotence, or he is implied to be imcompletely good and at the same time completely good.

This is where the gullibility comes in, as one who has been shown that A is not B insists that A must be B. Usually, the motive for insisting that A is B, or for example that God is completely good, is a selfish one. The person wishes God to be good because a good God favours him. To God himself, if any, what is it to him that he is not good? It does not add to or take away anything from him. In a world of joy and suffering therefore, what is the basis of insisting that God is completely good?

Religious people tend to refuse to think such issues through, instead preferring to assume that God is one who likes anything they like. The unquestioning assumption about the nature of God makes them prone to being manipulated or to believe other incredible things.

Believing that God exists is one thing and of itself it is not a problem. It becomes a problem when one believes that the God needs him to act in a certain way and that every other person should act in that same way. There is no telling what the God might require of his believers, and knowing that the followers are very likely to obey whatever instructions they receive from him without question since they believe it to be the truth, it is dangerous to allow people to insist on global acceptance of the instructions of any God.

Maybe you think your God is reasonable, but what about every other persons God? This unreliability in religion is what is sought to be shown by religions such as the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Good luck disproving their God.

This is why religion, or at least the insistence on everybody obeying the instructions of any God, should not be accepted.

hmmm I see you view religion as science! Things a philosopher would do.

I like your point, but lemme ask:

Whose responsibility is it to prove to you as an individual, that God exist since you claim his existence is unproven?

What do you need as proof of his existence? A picture?

Is your argument based on the fact that religion present God as "perfect" yet when you look around you, you see so much imperfections?

Seun:
While this describes most of the atheists who are active on this section, most atheists are not like that. Most atheists just ignore religious issues.

Which God specifically? The Christian God? The Muslim God? African gods and goddesses? The Lord of Light from Game of Thrones? If you believe that there's only one God, then you are an atheist relative to all other Gods/gods and the same questions apply to you too. Does the fact that you don't believe in the Lord of Light or Allah for whatever reason rule out the possibility of their existence and power or influence?


Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is worth spending time on. It's "possible" that father Xmas is real and lives in the north pole, but if you met an adult who truly believed that Father Xmas is real and sent 10% or his/her income to the north pole, what would you say?

Atheists in some countries fight against the imposition of religious practices on people who don't believe in the religions. That's all they fight.

I beg to differ on this, especially considering what is happening in the US, where Atheist are calling for the removal of anything "God" from every of the country's national symbols. As well as from schools and public buildings. Even going as far as getting court orders to remove moulded statures with religious inclination. That doesn't sound like "ignoring" it sounds like trying to change things because you are not comfortable with it-talk of being insecure.

I know nothing of relative atheism as you put it. If you talk of monotheism or polytheism, I believe that is a different case. Atheism reject it all together.

Why rule out a possibility that you haven't proven to be false? I believe God Almighty because I know He exist.

rather you mean atheist are fighting for a change of what has been the practice of those country because they are not satisfied with it. What would you say of a teenage high school kid that was suspended for reading his bible during break on charges of public religious practice?

aaronson:
Pray to your God to give you wisdom to construct top notch good question because that question right there is what is termed complex question in philosophy.

an example of top notch good question would be...?

abagoro:
I've written earlier that Obiano acts like a progressive more than PDP. I rather foresee him joinng APC or another party that supports good governance.

pls wat makes APC a progressive? Is it becos of the P in her name? Cos I don't see anytin progressive about the ideologies of the party.

Talking about good governance, do you mean PDP doesn't support good governance? Have you ever heard the manifesto of APC as a party? All we hear is that they want to do all to dethrone PDP in 2015 but they never tell you what they'll do to better the nation.

It is not enough promising to better lives, tell us how you intend to do it.

Confirm write up! Addressing issues just like GEJ does and not looking for cheap publicity like APC

Mimiko and Peter Obi don enter under the umbrella.

Next in line is Willie Obiano. But I pity for those wey rain go beat afta apc primaries; chai!! Na agglutinin go catch them.




The umbrella is open and big enough to carry even 200million people.
What are you still waiting for? Shey u dey enjoy the rain ni

sholay2011:
You and this your 'best month, best date' stuff...is it? Give reasons that are tenable in the court of law.

your honour! Permit me to request you to show me another date to be born that is better than 17th oct?

GOODLUCK Nigeria!

Soon the whole world will be learning from Nigeria, how to contain terrorism.




#americaSefdonKnow

sholay2011:
Wow...Hello birthday mate. October 17 rocks.

you can say that again!!!

#bestmonth
#best date

I have noticed the animosity with which atheists generally, react to anything that has to do with religion. Often making a meal out of it..

Well, I won't dwell on that; I just wan to ask this question to all atheist:

Does the fact that you don't believe in God for whatever reason, rule out the POSSIBILITY of his existence and Power or influence?

If "yes", who made you the judge over what is right or wrong and am I as a religious person not entitled to my own opinion/freedom of worship?
If "no", why then do you refer to/ see religious people as gullible and also fight against the public expression of religion or religious tenets?

Which would you prefer: that you partner hide the truth from you just to protect you by ignorance, or would you rather she told you and leave you insecure?

But like someone already suggested above, focus more on why she got divorced in the first place and I'll also add, discover what she's coming to add to your life.

Once you are certain 'SHE' has a role to play in your life, then, you won't have issues accepting and loving her child as yours or communicating her case to your family. Be cause it seems you are more concerned with what others might think or say than on why you should be with her.

You have said it already. Not just educationally but every wise.

But I'll advise a change of environment completely. At 8, it is not too late for her. It is not late at all.

Leaving her in nursery school isn't a good idea after all can the little kids speak that much better than her?

Put her with her mates in a good environment and she'll be forced to improve whether deliberately or not.


#life is contagious

A cheating wife is worse; it shows she knows next to nothing about the sacredness of marriage, While a nagging wife has character issues that can be handled with wisdom and understanding

CrystalHeart22:
I am still single and I really want a boyfriend.

why do you want a boyfriend? Do you have a cogent reason for it?

It is not good to keep secrets(personal secrets not those of other people told to you).

You free yourself from guilt and expose yourself to healing by revealing it.

Mind you, you don't tell everything about you to everybody: somethings need to be revealed to your partners or spiritual head/guide only.

The severity of the secret determine who should hear it. Even your bossom friends shouldn't know certain thing about you. There are things you share with your parent or family members and others you share with your spiritual head or trained counsellor cos your family members may not misunderstand you and take it harshly.

Wisdom is key! You don't want to tell someone something that he'll use against you later on when things aren't going too well with you too.

17th on point

Best month...

Best date...