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dueal:
Confidence comes from studying vastly. Which obviously you lack or fear for what you will find. I can tell you confidently that Matthew was a tax collector and his lastname was never given so is Luke and Mark but only their occupations. But unlike you who decided not to research I have shown John to be the of Zebeede . Mark, and Luke were not of the 12.

Read your history, Mohammed lacked prophecy and had not written one word in the first collection of the Quaran.

I like folks like u who claim 2 read vastly and are quick 2 use insult people. D other guy have being arguing without insults b4 u barged in on our argument. 1st and foremost, 'Mr Read vastly',where in the world have u seen a document written by someone with only one name? A: Nowhere. Every other prophet of God mentioned in the Torah,the bible and Quran...their full names were clearly stated. My argument is,if these folks are genuine anointed men of God,what happened 2 their last names? I didn't ask u 4 where they came 4rm,I asked 4 their names Mr. If u claim 2 knowledgeable,u'll give me the names of these folks I seek. And dude,don't use abusive words here,ok?

dueal:
John son of Zebeedee. Corrections, Mohammed did not write any part of the first collection of the Quaran as a book in his own writing because he died in 632CE and the Quaran was made into a written document in 634CE by some of the living followers who could recite it from heart.

The best reciter of the Quaran was killed at war before the documentation began. The same way the first books were documented of the bible after Christ ascended.

Study your history...Quaran did not fall from the sky neither did Mohammed pen it before he was killed.

LMAO....dude u're funny. See the way u just wrote all these with so much confidence and yet its false. We're not talking about compilation here Mr man,read up our argument. Okay Zebedee is the father of john? Hmmmmm,what Mathew,Mark and Luke?

dubsy91:
. The view that each translation of the Bible conveys a different message is incorrect. There is only one Bible message that has been translated into hundreds of vocabularies for different readers,depending on each reader's understanding of english language.

I might add that I own four different translations of the qur'an into English (and I know that many more translations exist). One translation says that my husband has the right to "beat me up" if he thinks I might not be "faithful." (To him or to Islam is not clear.) Another translation says my husband can "strike" me. Another translation, the oldest, says my husband can "scourge" me (whip me with a heavy whip until I'm almost dead).

Dis is how is it with these Bible versions,the words just differ and not the content.for instance,John 1 vs 1according to Good News Bible says: "Before the world was created,the Word already existed;he was with God,and he was the same as God.......... same passage according to the New International version says : "In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God."
Do u now see d meaning of these versions?n not wat u àre erroneously taught

Good,u just agreed dat mathew has no surname. What about luke,mark and john? Do they? A: they don't. Now let me ask u,where in d world will u find a document written by sm1 wit just a single name? A: No where. That should raise questions 4 any1 who knws tins abt books and writers. As 4 revelations made thru Mohd (pbuh),u have d quran. Which was revealed over a period of 23yrs and he transferred it 2 his followers and it has being preserved since then. As 4 versions of the bible,u said notin like versions only translations. Pls explain KJV,Good news,RSV all this are versions na. Besides the books/chapters in these bibles are not the same thing. The number of chapters in one version differs 4rm anoda version. The Quran doesn't have versions,it is one. The Quran in Nigeria is the same as d rest all over the world. The number of chapters and verses are the samething. The only dat differs is the grammar wen it comes 2 translation (naturally so). And latly, there's no disagreements in d quran,one whatsoever. Pls tell me one last time; where did christ (in his own words) say I am God worship me. Don't quote Mark,john,Luke or Mathew 4me becos u can't prove d origin of these guys.

dubsy91:
. The view that each translation of the Bible conveys a different message is incorrect. There is only one Bible message that has been translated into hundreds of vocabularies for different readers,depending on each reader's understanding of english language.

I might add that I own four different translations of the qur'an into English (and I know that many more translations exist). One translation says that my husband has the right to "beat me up" if he thinks I might not be "faithful." (To him or to Islam is not clear.) Another translation says my husband can "strike" me. Another translation, the oldest, says my husband can "scourge" me (whip me with a heavy whip until I'm almost dead).

Dis is how is it with these Bible versions,the words just differ and not the content.for instance,John 1 vs 1according to Good News Bible says: "Before the world was created,the Word already existed;he was with God,and he was the same as God.......... same passage according to the New International version says : "In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God."
Do u now see d meaning of these versions?n not wat u àre erroneously taught

My bro,u're still beating about the bush. The concept of the trinity started with people who never met jesus christ (john,Mark,Mathew and Luke) and were never disciples of jesus.
U said Mathew has no surname;is there any document written by any1,anywia in d world with just 1 name? A:No. That should be a red flag 4 any1 who knws anytin abt books. Even the church authority leaders (outside africa) have made clear dat it is possible (Mark,Mathew,Luke and John) were 'PEN' names.
Now as 4 revelations made thru Mohd (pbuh),u have the Quran. Revealed thru him over a period of 23yrs,which he transferred 2 his followers who have preserved it since dat time. A
As 4 versions of the bible,can u tell me the content of KJV,RSV,GN etc are all the same? Of course not. Becos,in some of the versions of d bible u find some books and in others u won't. The Quran has no versions (it is d same anywia in world. The number of verses and chapters are all d same) but d grammar used in d translation is what's different (naturally so).
And lastly,there's no disagreements in the Quran whatsoever.
So,again wen u're ready 2 answer my question: where in the bible did christ said I am God and should be worshipped? In his OWN words,not d words of mathew,Mark,Luke and John.

Genea:
Makes me remember d idiot dah broke my hrt and smashed it into pieces, have reciprocated by breaking oda guys hrt

That makes u an idiot too. Let the heartbreak continue.

dueal:
Please Read:
These are the 12 disciples hope you read;
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Mat 10:3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.

Now since we have established that your are not looking for the Book of Jesus in the Bible read;
Joh 5:25 "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. Joh 5:26 "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,

Has Mohammed ever called himself the Son or even a Son of God?

If this doesn't show you another place where Jesus speaks of his divinity then you are just another typical Muslim who can read but will shout that it is not there.

Now we're getting smwia. U've taken time 2 tell me who the disciples were (which I don't need anyway,cos a learned muslims will knw that),but wat u've failed 2 explain is who. Mathew mark,luke and john were. Their 1st names,which u failed 2 mention. And a single crystal-clear statement wia christ said I am God worship. We muslims,we believe in the phenomenal birth of jesus,his miracles,his message and he never made mention of anything about him being divine. Even wen d people of his time asked him hw de did his miracles...he said: I can of myself do nothing,but wat so ever he who sent me orders me 2do,that wat I do. My point here is that there exaggerations in the bible;things that the romans put there...and it all started with d likes of mathew,mark,luke n john (who were never companions or disciples of jesus christ). Besides,do u know dat u xtians dnt even agree wat d bible is anymore? There r over 500 versions of the bible 2day.U xtians differ on the number of verses n chapters in the bible. I ask u 2 read the history of the church and ask urself sm hard questions. Why should any1 attribute things 2 jesus was he never called himself?

Made in Aba guinness.

dueal:
Hopefully we are getting somewhere with this. Define what it means to be a Prophet and Prophecy?

Is Aisha a Prophet in Islam? We'll go from there.

Nope she wasn't. And no revelation was sent 2 her. She's a respected woman in muslim history,just like ruth,mary et al were. Now I ask u,don't change the topic...explain who mark,mathew,luke and john were. People who never met jesus,who were never disciples of jesus but are the ones writing about his so-called divinity. And again,like I've said b4,show me wia jesus in his own word said he his God and therefore he should worshipped. When u do dis,I'll accept all dat u've said.

dueal:
I am trying to understand if you are looking for the Book of Jesus in the Bible. Well, it is not there because the fathers of Christianity are not liars and won't falsify a book that isn't available to prove any point.

I am also trying to understand what you mean by a book cannot have just one authors name. Says who? Isn't there a book of Isa(one name) and Mariam(one name) and Aisha(one name) in the Quaran?

And since you have close relatives who choose to be Christians they can give you their reasons why they choose to.

Christianity is one of those religions that tells you to test everything to prove for yourself. That is a sign of Peace.

U just proved my point. There are records of who mary was and who her mother was and her father too. Likewise aisha (RA). I ask u 2 point out a single,crystal clear statement of jesus christ in the bible where he said I am God worship me. Search 4rm now,till thy kingdom come,u will never find it. Again,who was the father n mother of mathew,mark,luke and john? All prophets of God had their origin documented in the holy books. So,tell me who were d parents of mark,mathew,luke and john.

dueal:
You can't change your religion even if you see it for yourself because there is a threat on your life if you do so. But just to correct you from thinking you believe the Messiah of men.

Read:

Mat 11:27 "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and he to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Mat 11:28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.


Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Mat 22:42 saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David." Mat 22:43 He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'Lord,' saying: Mat 22:44 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? Mat 22:45 "If David then calls Him 'Lord,' how is He his Son?"

B4 I believe any quote 4rm d book of 'Mathew,Mark,Luke and John' please do me a favour by telling me what were their 1st names? Where in the world does some1 write a document and put just one name there? No where,only in d bible. Go and ask a writer u know,whether there's such in the world? I guarantee u,u'll not find it. Even the church authority till dis day,has not being able 2 explain d concept of the trinity. And some even admit that (Mark,mathew,luke and john) were probably pen names. The concept of jesus christ's divinity started with them;people who never met jesus. I ask u 2 show where in the gospel of jes of jesus,wia christ said I am God,worship me. Please do so...I'm waiting on U. And again,u should know,ur views about islam are misguided and extreme. I have a sister,born the same mother,raised a muslim but 2day is a xtian. Q:who threatened her life? A:No one. My maternal grand mum,died a xtian,and was buried a xtian. So,dude....learn not 2 judge blindly.

amjoseph19:
Every time I write and article that sheds Islam in a negative
light, my life gets threatened by muslims, I get hate
messages from liberals, and I’m labeled a ‘racist’ by idiots
who do not realize that Islam is not a race.
If Muslims are so proud of their quran, why would they
threaten my life for simply sharing verses straight from their
“holy book”?
Islam is also not a religion,
It is a theocracy and terrorist cult that hides behind the
mask of religion in order to acheive its mission of world
domination.
Furthermore, people, including news anchors who call islaic
terrorists “extremists and radicals”, are wrong… They are
DEVOUT muslims simply following the dictates of their
koran.
I have read the koran and studied it thoroughly. I have read
the muslim brotherhood’s documented plan for the
destruction of the world from within.
I will not submit or convert and I will not allow the death
threats, the name calling, and the pack threat mentality stop
me from telling the truth about Islam.

Islam is a terrorist group.

Its amazing how some xtians say crap about muslims and islam and yet fail 2 examine d history of their faith. Is it xtianity dat doesn't have its own history of violence? Read up; the crusades,d spanish inquisition,d anti-jewish pogroms,european colonialism of africa and asia,the lord's resistance army in uganda,christian violence in N/ireland (where catholics and protestants murdered people). I ask u,what truth do u knw about islam? Is it what u see in the news? Or wat u read on islamophobic websites? Or perhaps wat u see on tv,that has already being prepared 4u? Can u defend all dis falsehood u mentioned here in a debate? Of course not,u're just loud on social media. How do u indict a global faith by the actions of a few people? If that is d case,xtianity n xtians are no better;becos u have ur own history of violence,racism,bigotry,bloodshed,murder et al.

dueal:
Muslims do not believe in Christ, they just have a concept of him. They don't believe in a Messiah they just use the word in defense.

If you believe in Moses, then you should believe in the Messiah of men. I would have referred you to where Yahoshuah/Christ calls himself God but since to you the books are false and edited it serves you nothing.

Another thing Muslims believe is that the Quaran is in it's original form.

Where in the bible did jesus call himself God? Tell me and I will revert 2 christianity 2day.

Meiji:
Actually from the Christian perspective, Muslims insult Christ by saying he is a mere "prophet" of God and denying his divinity.

That we don't scream and threaten violence as a result doesn't make it any less an insult.

Actually,muslims don't abuse christ becos we believe in him 'as a messiah,an anointed prophet of God' who was sent 2d lost sheep of the tribe of israel and nothing more. U lot exaggerate what christ is,u call him things he neva called himself. U fail 2 realise how d romans have altered the contents of the bible 'Mathew,mark,luke and john' what were their 1st names? Who's their father,mother and even companions? Where in the world have u seen a genuine document wia the writers use only one name? Ans: No where. Even the church authority have confirmed,its possible that these were 'pen' names. And the concept of divinity,trinity started with them. They never met jesus christ and by the way,they were not disciples of jesus. We muslims don't exaggerate,but we believe in the gospel of jesus and those who came b4 him. And jesus neva called himself God.

onexile:
And yet, Buhari and APC could not win a single ward in the whole of Enugu State where Mbaka came from.

Infact, PDP also won Mbaka and Buhari in Mbaka's ward. No mater how mbaka try, he can never sell APC to Igbos.

If we can reject Ngige with all the good works he did, then who is Buhar?

I couldn't have said it better myself. U just effectively described what the mindset of igbos is like: PATHETIC.

49cents:
Now you are the saint and she is the sinner!!!

U're missing the point. The issue here is not who's a saint or not,but a girl who a guy has invested so much in betraying him like dis. How pathetic is that? Girls of dis 21st century ma sef

Very sad indeed. But this story is incomplete abeg. That dude is not a mad man na,but I must admit he was extreme with his actions. Girls should be careful with the way they jilt men,some men can take it in good faith,while some will do the unimaginable. Some girls think it raises their profile/status wen they break a guy's heart or disregard his feelings. Abeg, be careful ur actions can push some 2d edge and it could lead 2 disaster.

PDP dey mad gannnn....better kini?

Good work boys...contaminate the environment until u can do so no more. I hear cancer cases are on the increase due 2 pollution caused by oil spill. Make una kontinu una hear?

freeze001:
Sick or something?

Was about 2 ask u d same thing...u don't sound well @ all.

freeze001:
Is he not a fool? Progressive01/Omenka will not feature here with his dumb epistles. Of course he is an ardent promoter of evil n violence against anyone who isn't a buhari/apc slave like him.

U seem like an angry little BOY,full of hate. Watch ur words,it speaks a lot about U.

Noblecx:
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is very unfortunate that Gej couldn't complete his tenure to shame you morrafuckers...

But alas what is the present administration doing?

Nothing I presume...

All thanks to God, the Chinese company, the gov. Of Anambra and Enugu state.

Dumb..Daft...mentally retarded,pick one. He spent 6yers as president and that wasn't enough 2 make a difference in SE? May God put light in dark heart. U need therapy,becos u have no clue where u're headed.

Kunlexxxx:
F*ck boy!

No matter how big a hammer is,u can never knock sense in2 sm1 with a block head. Foolishness should be ur middle name.

Kunlexxxx:
Motherfucker!

Cock sucker...

parisbookaddict:
Oh i tot u said he was not a muslim.. now u turn to insults.. typical muslim behaviour. . Go comb your beard i have nothing more to say to u.

Insults? I just pointed out fallacies in ur post. As 4 combing my beard,I'll definitely do that. Thank U. I've got nothing more 2 say a phobe,bigot and a hater of muslims.

CaptEColeJnr:
When will these people have sense?
How do you expect to gain acceleration and run at full speed with those burden of load on her body!

Plain stupidity if you ask me

Receive sense. U think the disgners don't know that? She's dreaased according 2d norms of her faith. If u handle that,take ur bigotry eslewhere.

Skelewu:
Filthy, hate-filled Muslim! So, because Arabs and jews have been at loggerheads, the moronic Egyptian should not shake hands with an Israeli in a sporting competition?

Your level of bigotry and hatred stinks to the high heavens. People like you are the reason why the world is held to ransom by jihadists maiming and killing innocent people in accordance with your Allah's injunction.

Bunch of bloodthirsty sons of Satan!

See this cunt. If u weren't full of ignorance u dis bitch,u'll see all the errors u xtians keep making all the time. By who's injunction are u retards so full of IGNORANCE? I aint a bigot like u,u fool. In my family we're mixed hence we know what tolerance is about. But morons like u,knw nothing abt such. No wonder politicians use religion 2 fool idiots like U. God punish u there.

Kunlexxxx:
Your are a fool, I swear! Just make your point and move along!

I gree. But u are a bigger FOOL.

parisbookaddict:
Muslims make up over 94% of the population of egypt.
It used to be a pagan country and a very advanced pagan country but muslims managed to jihad the hell out of them.. so 94% added with the nepotism and persecution of nonmuslims it is hard to believe that the Egyptian who refused to shake the israeli is a nonmuslim.. and judging by his 2 fistfuls of beard he is 99% muslim..

He lost to the Israeli like all warring muslims will..

Advanced indeed. Nepotism doesn't exist in Nigeria abi? See ur pathetic life. What truth can a bigot like u see in muslims,none. Get a life.

Kunlexxxx:
The Egyptian athlete couldn't be a Christian, if he were, he wouldn't do that and besides, Egypt as a nation will never choose a Christian no matter how good to represent their country. Egypt is an Islamic nation in all ways. In fact, to them, any citizen who is a Christian is considered a lost soul and is seen as even lower than animal

Your ignorance is laughable. Nigerians and their holier than thou attitude,always bringing religion in2 everytin. The egyptian female beach volley team is made up of a muslim n a xtian. Stop reading/watching islamophobic materials. U have.a brain,use it.

Respect55:
No harm intended. D msg I'm trying to pass across is dat sports is mainly laid for two purposes :entertainment and unifying factor. Let's see it as such if not, den the original intent will be dashed

On the same note, the Egyptian can't be a Christian. If he were, he wud have shaked him. U said dey dnt see face to face (Arab and Jews), so let me ask, 'The Jewish that extended hand of friendship to the Arab, is he stupid or u think it is out of Fear?

No offence,but go 2 RIO and find out.