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Empiree:
you think I'm a fool?. You wanted to devote your thread to bashing "Muslims intolerance" to atheists while you ignored atheists inequalities to muslims. How fair is that?. Right there in Nigeria with both Muslims and CHRISTIANS majority, atheism is frown upon needless to say Muslim countries.

And on several occasions I have encountered atheists curse God openly. No one said anything. There are Atheists in Islamic world. How many of them killed?. The only time you hear about persecution of atheists is only coming from bigots who are looking for fame.

Take Canada for example, the country opens her border for asylum seekers especially from Africans. Most of these people always lie about Islam to get approval. I have watched them on YouTube several time where couple who perhaps are not Muslims claimed they escaped from Nigeria because Muslims told them their babies most be married off before @ 1 yr old and that they wanted their children to attend madrasa by force. I was just shaking my head knowing these folks are lying just to obtain asylum.

What they claimed on asylum however are recorded as official labels on Islam. This is what the West knew but they are more enlightened now. They have realized people lie about Islam just to enter Canada. Some of them fake homosexuality and being persecuted by Islam and they "escaped" to Canada. So average Canadians are reading these things and assumed this is what Islam is about. I have never seen any of them claimed persecutions by CHRISTIANITY or other religions. They all lied about Islam. You want to make money in the West, just make up lies about Islam and within a blind you are at the top. That's where usermanee is heading.

CapedBaldy:
started kimetsu no yaiba today already binged 6 episodes really good anime I'll rate it 8/10 but honestly it's a little over hyped.

losprince:
Killer Bean forever 7.5/10

It's silly and at the same time engaging, it's also funny, just switch off your brain and you might actually enjoy this one.

Ultramane:
@usermane here. Sorry for the belated reply.

I think the reasons why Atheists are maltreated in Muslim states boils down to religion.

Apostasy is punishable by death in mainstream Islam. And sure, we rarely ever get news of apostates killed, but the existence of such a penalty for apostasy in the sacred texts cultivate a culture of hate against apostates.

Even if an apostate from Islam don't get executed; he doesn't get to keep his marriage, he doesn't get to inherit from his Muslim kins, he doesn't get to be buried near his dead Muslim relatives, no one will attend his burial, his family may disown him.

There is so much discrimination against ex/non-Muslims under mainstream Islam. To better understand this, it is important to study the status of dhimmi(religious minorities) under sharia according to classical tafsir, hadith & fiqh.

But wait, Torah stipulates death for apostasy right? So, why aren't Jews & Christians hostile to apostates?

Simple answer is the enlightenment.

The enlightenment helped Jews & Christians to see the limitation of their faith. They began to discover that absolute reliance on the Bible won't get them far. And so, they were able to unclutch themselves from the shackles of scriptural legalism and literalism.

The thing with the Muslim world is they didn't get the enlightenment. They can't still see the limitation of their faith. Compare to Jews, how many Nobel Prizes have Muslims won? If you ask any Muslim why how they can lead the world once again in science and technology, they'll probably tell you it is by returning closer to Islam. They don't get it.

So, why is the Muslim world most hostile to atheism? Religion. And why religion? Lack of enlightenment.

If you follow me on Islam section you can see how much ignorance I have to contend with. People who are not enlightened & never took the time to examine Qur'an verses especially on science, will make bold statements like "Qur'an is a clear book or perfect book". And they will not have second thought about Islamic literalism or legalism.

Of course, there are enlightened Muslims out there denying the limitations and doubts in the Qur'an & Islam either out of dishonesty or delusion. But these are few, the majority of Muslims are just not enlightened enough to examine their faith and scripture.

Hope this helps. If you got more questions, leave it for me. I'll do my best to reply even if not immediately.

Empiree:
ofc, bcuz it doesn't suits you

budaatum:
I'd say very strong. You sure love labelling though. I think its blinding. Especially labelling without fully comprehending. It's religious too, the assumption of knowing what one doesn't. You must be one of those Muslims or Christians who believe stuff without bothering to check the evidence.

YODA will use very strong force to make you an atheist! Mark my word.

budaatum:
That's a start JeromeBlack. You admit you do not understand buda. And the blame isn't yours, but buda's inability to communicate in English. I've found those who are patient with themselves tend to understand eventually though, so be patient with yourself. You'll understand buda, eventually.

budaatum:
I will when I'm ready, but not yet.

This was you:



Unfortunately, it would appear that you can't really see how "christianity got reformed", and call "nonsense" and "rubbish" what it has reformed into.

budaatum:
Instead of engaging your brain, come and shut me up like some ayatollah imposing sharia would and you might just see how your are exactly what you rail so much against!

Empiree:
remain neutral?. Really?. But you just claimed they are not religious and they are atheists as well and you tried to portray all nonmuslims as victims of muslims and Muslims are intolerant. I just gave you example of Judeo/Christian/atheists intolerant terrorists in the middle East but all you could say was you are neutral?.

Well, this is why I rendered your thread baseless at outstat knowing you were gonna be one sided. So your thread is DOA

budaatum:
I can compare! I might compare and find they are similar or not similar but I must compare. It is how one broadens ones horizon and learns.

So tell, can you not see how this is the blasphemy law of an advanced people?

I don't know when you lived in UK, but if you go on the streets today and "blaspheme" against anyone's God, you will be arrested!

budaatum:
Kindly stop behaving like some god who has the right to be tell buda telling not to be the image you created in your head. Open your eyes and see reality for what it is! I'm simply not here bashing others.

So, to you, where one raves makes a difference? And you cannot see how intelligent people will couch anti-blasphemy in disturbing the peace laws?

Say half the stuff we say on here on twitter and see how long your account last before it's shut down. Say what we say on here on Twitter and the police will pay you a visit if you live in UK!

No different to anti-blasphemy laws to me.

budaatum:
I'm not "nigga" and being reasonable does not imply apologetic.

Even in countries you claim practise apostasy and those against blasphemy, apostasy and blasphemy do occur, and In UK that doesn't have laws against blasphemy, you try blaspheming on the streets and see how long you last before being arrested for disturbing the peace.

Empiree:
hypocrite! Why then you worry about Muslim women not marrying outside their faith?.

Listen, I cornered you in my first post because I knew where you were driving at. I was ahead of you. If Jews in Israel are either not practing or are essentially atheists, we can infer that they are Judeo/Christian/atheists intolerant terrorists occupiers of Palestinians and killing them. Therefore atheists are intolerant. We don't need you to tell us what's tolerateted and what is not.

budaatum:
Most Muslims don't practise it neither!

Saucyxo:
Lol. I got adequate sex education, handsomeness and intelligence wont make me off pant . Much to Emp.iree's despair

Saucyxo:
Christianity reformed? Lol I think it's just not Christianity anymore. It's just a different way of life that believes the same principle that Jesus is God.

Beorn:
I thought as much. Just watch the part 1 and you may reconsider your rating of its part 2

Saucyxo:
He and I would be great friends.

Saucyxo:
But is that because of Islam or because of Nigerias society. Or the society of people who have lived a certain way and experience something different ?

Jaysus that's everywhere babes lol. I dont smoke but my friends are CONSTANTLYYY trying to get me to smoke something. I'm muslim and I'm constantly getting invited to church. My mums a nurse and shes constantly trying to get me to study nursing. I think that's just people trying to hey you to live their way of life which is even more pronounced in Nigerian society.

I dont agree with this that's ridiculous. Is it against the law in northern Nigeria? Why would you then go against the law ? In Ireland, because of public health, you cant buy or sell alcohol after 10pm and on certain days. If you're caught you'd be arrested and fined. If I decided that, I dont drink much so I didnt contribute to the public health issue so I'm going to buy alcohol at 11pm. I'm still going to get arrested. It's their law.

Nigerians are homophobic lol. Like that's not a surprise at all. Even if there was no religion in nigeria they'd still be homophobic.

I did know that. They dont want you to insult their religion. Dont do it if you stay there.

Noooooooooo I do not agree. From my experience anyways. They arent. I've met arrogant muslims and arrogant athiests. The athiests I've met that are arrogant, it's another level.

Lol here we go. I've actually read studies like that too. And with all the logic athiests love working with, they really dont use much in their day to day life. Like you just said athiests are more versed in religion than religious people. Like Duh. Obviously. Most people that are religious are born into their religion. They see it as their way or life and they just go with it. Thats just normal. Most athiests however reach a point where they question some parts of their religion and eventually go and study and learn in order to educate themselves. Eventually they reach a point where they completely disagree or it doesn't make sense to them and they leave religion. Most of them go through different religions and they all have faults or dont make sense with reality. Obviously youd have to learn about religion before you reach this conclusion. And most religious people don't do that. It's just a way of life for them. I've spoken to many athiests and even though I dabbled in agnosticism and strong irreligious beliefs for a little bit no athiest was EVER able to use any sort of logic to dismantle my belief in God.

I do agree that religious people need to educate themselves more about their faith and their belief in God however. That is the "advantage" atheists use to dismantle small minded people.

Hey! I'm an average Nigerian and I'm not a slowpoke. Speak for yourself
Sigh. I also read that study that athiests are more intelligent than religious people. Please be open minded to read and expand more on that. Its not true. I don't want to write a whole epistle about it.

Saucyxo:
I dont agree with what Muslim people practice but I don't think its Islam that needs reforming I think it's the people.

The reality is most muslims actually dont believe in apostasy. They'd actually agree with my stance. Imagine if all over 1b muslims started executing everyone. We'd be in trouble.

Saucyxo:
You too why are you following muslim girls ehn. Can you imagine. Lol face front, leave our sisters alone

Ah. Are muslim women complaining ? How e take concern you? I dont see why that bothers non muslims so much. Mind ya business.

tartar9:
Did I say they are still practiced
That they no longer practice it still doesnt changes the fact that it exists in their religions.The same way Israel and other xtian countries recognize gay marrriages and are actively promoting it.
We Muslims shall remain true to our faith.

tartar9:
In judaism,apostacy is punishable by death! apostacy that was practiced by xtian countries

tartar9:
Are xtians or jews supposed to marry outside their faiths at all?

tartar9:
Are xtians or jews supposed to marry outside their faiths at all?

Saucyxo:
Really? You must blend? Lol honestly having been to many religious countries, I've never had to blend to anything. Obviously we could have different experiences, please enlighten me.

Saucyxo:
I only ever see you in the muslim section though... Did a muslim girl break your heart ?

Saucyxo:
I agree no one should be executed for leaving he religion. I honestly dont know anyone who has.
Hey! Why don't you advocate for it ?

Saucyxo:
Okay. What rights are being disrespected ?
What basic human rights?

Ehm no. That's not true. That's a bit of a silly conclusion. Lol they're not mutually exclusive. Just because a Muslim/Christian is arrogant doesn't mean athiests arent. Actually I thought it was just me but it's common knowledge that active athiests can be very arrogant. I'm sure if you do a quick Google search you'll find some forums that ask the same question.

Lol many people here dont know alot of things including you and I. Someone once told me the people that spend alot of time on nairaland are the lowest of lows in Nigeria . But I've met plenty intellectually sound people here and some not to much. It would be quite silly for a non nigerian to open the ... romance section here for example and conclude that all Nigerians are morons.

budaatum:
I wonder if you've told your family and close friends that you are an atheist. If you did, and if they are religious, could you tell us if they don't think you are going to hell, and forced you to be an activist? Did they just accept you were an atheist.