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Chizzled06:
Lol. I once shared the same arrogance. I know how difficult it is to shake off the idea that every other living thing was made for your pleasure.

Have you ever heard of Neanderthals? Do you know some living humans aren't genetically 100% homo sapiens? It happens that some of your "destroyed world" 'survived' and interbred with modern humans. Check it out.

johnydon22:
[b]

**Face palm** Science deals with systematic deductions of which has established known truthful approximations. . . This is science.

Hypothesis are tags of postulations unsupported by evidence which further proves that science deals with truthful approximations.

-If it worked like theism scientists would have asserted they believe a hypothesis by faith but rather nobody believes a hypothesis.. Hypothesis is an area where research and study is required to either support or refute such postulations.

-e.g the flat earth hypothesis, now has been discarded when it was proven the earth was actually spherical.

Lastly theism encourages the teaching of superstition as truth and irrational assumption as immutable truths which is an insult to human intellect..

-People once thought storms at sea where as a result of the God neptune being pissed off now through scientific deductions we have known that hurricanes are not caused by any angry sick God..

So i refute irrational assumptions and superstitions because it possess a retarding danger to the intellectual development of man..

It is better one accepts he doesn't know and tries to know than for one to just assume up irrational answers in premises where he doesn't have answers .. [/b]

Chizzled06:
Yes, we both did. Our ancestors parted ways from modern apes two million years ago. There are fossils and DNA evidence, among others to prove it. And No, I've never seen Xmen.

I know it's almost impossible to convince you to discard beliefs you've held since childhood indoctrination by arguing on an internet forum, so that's not exactly what I'm here for.

I'm here to sow seeds of doubt in your baseless beliefs. To hopefully get you thinking rationally and craving for more knowledge, because when you do, there's only one outcome.

I'm also here for the on-the-edge religious reader of this thread. To explain that because almost everybody around you believes something doesn't mean it has to be real.

So no, I can't "run". I'll devote as much time as I can to liberating people from the mental slavery of organised religion.

johnydon22:

Now we are getting somewhere..

According to the Big Bang (So you don't confuse me for being a Big Bang theorist) the initial reactions in the singularity caused both space and time into existence as well and so the expansion is that of space itself... which remains the 3dimensional platform of the universe..



Lmao asserting atheists are smarter still is of your own making and none of my business..

- Science established and agrees when a postulation is hypothetical (which means it is unproven in facts yet and can be discarded)

-Hypothesis are not dogmas but rather agreed to be merely speculations unsupported by evidences that is why it is called a hypothesis..

- Wildly accepted scientific theories has absolutely nothing to do with atheism. . It remains your problem if you think so....

johnydon22:


Oh not again!!! This is getting very very tiresom..

- First the fabrics of space and time where caused into existence by the Big Bang according to the Big Bang theory.

- The cause of the singularity has pulled out many hypothesis of possible causality like an older universe that collapsed and a singularity is formed afterwards.

You own confusion stems from the fact that you think space and time caused the Big Bang while in actuality the Big bang theory postulates that Space and time actually are a product of the Big Bang..

Pheeeeew...

Chizzled06:
Nah.

I believe in this story:

A super powerful (good) guy was bored. So he created little beings for his entertainment.
But this was still too boring. So he created an alter ego to become his antagonist. This evil being became very evil, but the all powerful guy wouldn't make him cease to exist, that's just too boring.

Rather watch the antagonist terrorise his creatures till he gets bored again. Then he'll watch the ones who don't believe he exists burn forever.

But don't forget he knows the future, so these creatures think they're in control, but they really aren't. He already knows the ones he's chosen to burn.

Makes more sense.

PS. Have you considered praying for Lucifer? Maybe if God decides to change him to become good, all the evil will end? Just a thought.

johnydon22:
You keep confusing yourself..

Fall into is not the opposite of expansion ...


Lmao... You are simply too blank to understand the big bang theory..

The big bang asserts a collapse in a singularity (Which shows reaction) then results into an expansion..

I recommend you stop doing this to yourself..



Collapse of nothing huh? you are the one who asserted nothing exploded right there on your Op..

Now am sure i have shown you the Big Bang theory asserts an expansion not explosion of which both your link and wikipedia agrees with me

johnydon22:
Hahaha now you want to deny your own assertion?
Don't worry i will bring it for you and every other person to see.. You said


Now let me see you deny you didn't assert the universe was finite.. i thought lying was supposed to be a sin, now you deny your own post..



Here is where the problem lies assumptions..

Since our minds cannot yet gasp the depth of the universe, it is better we agree that we don't yet grasp it and then try to grasp as much as we can by studying as much as we can.

Instead of assuming up answers without basis of deduction in order to boycott room for learning how it actually happened..

Like i told you, there is no shame in saying we don't know, only when irrational assumptions and attendant behaviours fills the gap left by our ignorance



Exactly the point i showed you that because water is liquid therefore it must need a liquid source.

Intelligence is as a result of perception...


Lmao he said to himself like a psycho " I am the alpha and Omega" This God just like blowing his own trumpet...
This is where the concept of faith comes in which means believe it whether it is true or not... No sir, i don't possess such dishonesty..

Since you assert something intelligence must come from another thing intelligent, now you want to plead on Gods behalf to assert it doesn't need another intelligent being to cause it into existence?

We call that fallacy special pleading and you have murdered your argument with that..



Ok then. . .

Thrown to me? I never placed the universe under the confines of a finite value Mr. Man. That is even against the scriptures I believe. I just used your scientific postulations against you who loves to call theories actual facts.

johnydon22:
Boy science is not a dogma that needs to be believed anyway..

Science is not a belief system and so doesn't need to be believed but rather it is study which establishes that it's results can be agreed with or disagreed with in relation to the uncovering of more facts..

Don't bring others down your own mess of belief... Science doesn't need belief..



You see you were just too dumb to conclude that teaching you what a theory really says is same as subscribing to that theory.

I might as well teach you what the enuma elis says, it doesn't mean i believe it.. it simply means i am teaching you what it really says.

I took it upon my self to correct your daft assertion of the big Bang which you represented as nothing exploded and stuporously linking it with atheism by first showing you that

- Big bang didn't say nothing exploded but rather proposed an infinite point of value (singularity)

- Big bang has nothing to do with atheism.

- It wasn't an explosion but an expansion of an infinite point in as a result of reactions of it's values..


Believe in how exactly?

Isn't it better you agree you do not know something when you don't?

i have always told you that attendant behaviour and irrational gap fillers in the face of ignorance is the problem. Everybody must go down your mess of having a belief..


Only a sheep needs a shepherd, you just agreed to be one.....

wow no wonder.. i could have guessed tho.

The Irony.

So you don't believe most of what you've been saying with the agreement that science still has a lot of facts to uncover but yet you use those same theories to attack people that believe in a God

Hypocritical.

So how can you prove theists are deluded using imperfect science? How can one come up with a conclusion that there is no God?

I have just wasted my time debating with someone I thought knew what he believed in.

johnydon22 post=39015883]Of course it is a hypothesis or do you think i am you that hopes to establish immutable dogmas?

Hahahaha it doesn't actually you only went on further to continue show casing just how much scientific theories confuse you..



Now i see where your confusion stems from... you think collapse is the opposite of expand.. chai.. this is serious.

Nnam Collapse is not the opposite of Expand..

[color#990000]
Contraction is the opposite of Expansion rather [/color]

Collapse simply means to break down not to contract...... Stop confusing both..

I asserted with the big Bang theory that an infinite point of high density and temperature expanded which is exactly what the big bang theory says..

and you think Collapse means contract, how dafuq were you supposed to understand it then..

Am so glad you googled it up..

Big crunch proposes that this universe was as a result of a singularity caused by the collapse of another universe just like a blackhole is caused by the collapse of a star core at an infinite point of gravitational force.

You are not even saying the big bang was an explosion anymore. . . lol..

johnydon22:


You see the problem i have with discussing science with blank theistic minds. . they will assume because you discuss a scientific theory then you must believe it..

First i took up this discussion was because it was a scientific discussion about Big bang which you represented as NOTHING EXPLODED..

Telling you exactly what a theory said is not same as subscribing to it..

Lastly about the bolded ..

- Big Bang theory is not a johnydon22 theory but a scientific one propounded by Georges Lamitre..

Please that i was telling you what the theory asserts is not the same that i subscribe to it..

making such assumptions will only sell you off to be daft, don't drag me into such assumption again..

johnydon22 post=39015185]

You see? all this should be directed to you because you are the one that places the universe under the confines of a finite value..

You have not grasped what is there to grasp about the universe yet in your naive mind asserts it to be finite which is exactly as imperfect.

Still running around making assertions that keeps murdering your own postulations..

This is just like saying: For there to be water they must be another liquid source. .

Actually the formation of water is when hydrogen reacts with oxygen. . . So there musn't be a liquid source to get water.

Now going by this your argument only intelligence can come out intelligent.

- Then God (intelligent entity) must have come out of another intelligent entity which in turn must also require another intelligent entity.

You see assumption of this straight line of causality does not answer the question rather it postpones it..

There is no way you can pull this off for it to work for you. . .

Science simply means study of nature of which the ancient know as Natural philosophy..

So in your little mind you think science is restricted to our age?. . . hahahaha..

the ancient world knew much about science they made observations and postulated explanations but infused it with superstition like.

-Astrology

they had knowledge in
- Botany
-mathematics
- Biology
and many of them.....

You keep on showing you still know nothing of science thinking it is restricted to this age alone... Science is study

Hmm, Primitive. That knew a lot in science before our age
Now this will bring me to a question I will throw to you if interested

johnydon22:


You never noticed. . . Let me remind you with one of my posts on this thread i said
"Color=#990000] Many atheist like myself do not subscribe to any theory of how anythingbegan but rather say they don't know which is the truth.[/color]"

That i took up this discussion is sorely because it is of scientific inclination.




#Sighs. . You are still not getting it. . .

Science asserts the expansion of an infinite point of high density and temperature . . . First of all density is in relation to gravitational action.

even your link keeps proving your wrong... The same theory predicts the universe in the process of expansion my reach a point where it's gravitational pull might be too weak and therefore will collapse under it's own weight.

It is a scientific hypothesis called the Big Crunch.. i wonder which scientific material you read exactly...


This buttresses my point even further.. a star forms when gravity brings matter (nebula) under severe pressure by bringing them together thereby making it denser and hotter until eventually nuclear fusion begins and a star is born.

It is also noted that a star expands past that dense point when nebula comes under the action of gravitational pull and even expands further as the case of red giants. .
Hiann.... this is getting tiresom..




This is about science not atheism or theism. . . what ever you feel about Hawkins or other atheists out there should not be infused into science.

I repeat : - Atheism has nothing to do with science..





Further showing that the singularity started undergoing a reaction and led to an expansion..

Now will you do so well to agree that you were wrong asserting the Big Bang was an explosion which your own link just proved you wrong..


Yeah you only argued it was an explosion..



You keep showing to know nothing of science here..

- A scientific fact is based on observed phenomenon which begets theories.

- e.g: The planet Neptune was first proposed in theory when the FACT of a distortion in Uranus orbit was observed.

- The universe is said to be expanding which is an observed fact by the hubble space telescope.

- Earth is going round the sun is am observed scientific fact. . . I wonder if the definition of facts changed lately...



Hahahahaha you see? All your assertions are based on speculations of individuals...

You brought nature under the confines of a finite value because a scientist said so at the same time murdered that by asserting scientist says it has not been answered yet..

You just don't even grab the premise you are arguing over.... Thank you.!!!

Richirich713:

FOLYKAZE:
atheism is anti-christianity?

johnydon22 post=39013592]
Lmao you see just how unfounded assertions can lead to weak run around.


[quote]Since infinity does not have a mind of it's own in the case of a singularity, isn't it then obvious that the result of an infinite point can span both ways ..

Either in a finite or an infinite value of which has been observed.. . . You still have nothing boy..

Here comes the funny part of chronic assumptions.

God has a mind of it's own and therefore decides to create a finite value but God is infinite oo.

God is perfect but then decides to make an imperfect entity. . . Pheeew...!!!

Lmao... which scriptures. . .who exactly was going to reply such primitive crap..

Anyway the issue now is before you bring up more links, read them first..

johnydon22 post=39013347]
I am not even a big Bang theorists i still wonder why am even taking time to correct your naive impressions about the actual postulations of the theory..
Lmao. . and i was even waiting for a material that asserts an explosion

You don't even read your own posts because this post supports my assertion about a singularity which i asserted was a point of infinite value..

- And it was an infinitely dense point (Singularity) the big bang asserts to have expanded ..

You don't even have the slightest idea what you are arguing over..

Oh jeez Hawkins is a scientist what ever made you bring up he is an atheist shows you only running around the insecurities of your belief..

Hawkins proposes a gravitational point and you have been shown here how infinite gravitational value (blackhole) is also an observed fact.

A star is born when gravity brings a nebula under intense density that it's temperature rises drastically to begin the process of nuclear fusion.

Now this is a discussion of the scientific theory of Big bang, don't make it atheistic because atheism has nothing to do with it...

Lmao i just love how your own links keep working against you... directy from the link itself..

" The universe was born with the Big Bang as an unimaginably hot, dense point.
When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth
of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an
incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded
faster than the speed of light. "

Chai...

When the universe was just 10-34 of a second or so old — that is, a hundredth of a billionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second in age — it experienced an incredible burst of expansion known as inflation, in which space itself expanded faster than the speed of light. During this period, the universe doubled in size at least 90 times, going from subatomic-sized to golf-ball-sized almost instantaneously.

I can swear you didn't read this..

Here hawkin proposes time started with the universe which is exactly what the big bang asserts..

You see your life? So far here you are the one who asserted and brought the universe under the value of a finite entity and my reply was.

[color=#99000] For goodness sake nature is not restricted to one manifestation. A blackholeis an infinite gravitational well and is part of nature. . .
You are simply naive asserting nature is finite in your own little mind. [/color]

You never considered science says it is yet to be answered before asserting it was fine..

am sure it is clear whose assertions are based on speculations here..

johnydon22:


Now i think it is time for me to have fun with this...

So jeromejnr it is time i teach you the implications of your assertions by using them against you..

You said

Now using this your assertion of an infinite value must beget an infinite result let us boomerang it against your religion.

You assert an infinite and perfect God created the universe ... so going by your assertion above..

How can something infinite create something finite as you think?
so how in the world did an infinite God create a finite nature?

How can something perfect beget something imperfect... ?
How exactly did a perfect God create an imperfect nature

why did it give birth to finite nature? We expect that Infinity will give birth to it's likeness since it does not have a mind of it's own.

johnydon22 post=39011490]

Not again please..

Big bang is an expansion of density and temperature singularity. . I think i will need to just refer this one to wikipedia ... wasting my time with this is becoming demeaning.

The model accounts for the fact that the universe [size=20]expanded[/size] from a very
high density and high temperature state, [4][5] and offers a comprehensive
explanation for a broad range of observed phenomena, including the
abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background, large scale
structure, and Hubble's Law . [6] If the known laws of physics are extrapolated
beyond where they are valid, there is a singularity

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Big bang proposes the expansion from a singularity of high density and temperature.

You see why i always say you appear dumb? You assert singularity represents an infinity.. while my post says

" Boy singularity is a state of [size=20]infinite[/size] point of value in spacetime… " Now people should check and see who really knows what singularity is ..

Energy is an infinite value and energy is nature . . Who ever gave you the impression of a finite nature ...SMH[/i][/b]



For goodness sake nature is not restricted to one manifestation. A blackhole is an infinite gravitational well and is part of nature. . .

You are simply naive asserting nature is finite in your own little mind. . .

Secondly in a mathematical representation, a value at infinity comes under a finite point in one single value. . 0.9999999...till infinity is still equal to 1 which is a finite value..


Your post is self refuting. . .

menesheh:
What's wrong with your brain bro. Why not stop mentioning me in your nonsensical comments.

Do you think i have the whole time in the world to start replying (lecturing you) and typing long comments so as to convince and notify you that you're under the influence of Roman illusion.



Repost my previous post to backup your claim that am always looking forward for a helper to help me out in your silly argument.

I've outgrown that your level of argument. Take time and argue constructively.

johnydon22:
Oh Jeeez.. am i to start discussing science with this one now?...

Boy singularity is a state of infinite point of value in spacetime. . .E.g: A blackhole is caused by the gravitational singularity of a collapsed star core.

Big Bang theory is a freaking expansion. . Was proposed my Rev fr Georges when he observed the universe is expanding which was later confirmed by the hubble telescope..


Oh meeeehn.!!! refer above..



- first i have never asserted to be a big bang theorists.

- Second i only corrected your dumb assertion of big bang being an explosion.

- Lastly Big Bang is the scientific accepted theory on the origin of the universe that is why it's called a theory dummy..

johnydon22:


- First i have nothing to prove to you about my intellect
- Second i will not spend even a second of my time refuting a copy and paste (someone else's work)
- your assertion of me being intelligent is of your own making.
- Let me hope you won't copy and paste and bring up something from your own mind then i will see if it is worth me refuting.




Enough proof that you know absolutely nothing of science. . . .i wonder how you could be ok playing this dumb..


Me?

Lmao. . . There this thing called peer review in science, why not let your so called scientist put up his research for peer review in the scientific field and not have you who know nothing of science begging me to refute some unfounded claims of unrelated representations..



Am sure people are reading this now, let them now say who the daft one is..



So what has that got to do with atheism exactly?

why not let them come take it up with you..



Another daft statement ...


Rather you should have been ashamed disgracing your self in public. . .

About you bringing up an argument, i doubt if you ever can... Copy and paste is never an argument..

Go learn

johnydon22:
Scientific thread is asserting that the core of a planet is a hell? You see what i mean you need to start reading, the bible and other religious materials has retarde_d you enough..

-Scientific topics are put up in the science section..

- I wonder what scientific topic someone who think science is a belief system would put up..

-Lastly endeavour to add the links of the christian apologetic websites that wrote the thing you call scientific piece...

johnydon22:


The thing is nobody is obligated to even comment on a thread from someone who thinks the core of a terrestrial planet is a hell.

No atheist here is under any obligation to bother replying any of your posts because you come out quite daft and naive about simple things ..

why not first go learn basis argumentative ability then come back and we would see if you are worth discussing with..

Finally i suggest you start reading some scientific materials because you clearly need the bible has marred you totally

hahn:
Science proving god? Mind including the link?

Chizzled06:
Lol.

"Animals are too complex! Evolution can't do that! For every garden there must be a gardener!"

Google search "Evolution of Phylliidae"

When you learn that the earth has been around for billions of years, you realize there's more than enough time for nature to play around with stuff.

Enjoy.

Chizzled06:
Of course, I visit them. Exploring and understanding nature has made me lose the arrogance you currently possess and embrace the likeness we share with other creatures.

Are you in Nigeria currently? There's a Biology program at 19:55 on the Education channel - DStv channel 190 (I think it's on GOtv too) that you might learn a thing or two from.

My beliefs are gotten from science. Built on rational thinking and evidence based conclusions.