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Some bad belle people never like good news. They always see bad in everything.

See this one up there that is shouting corruption for example

Point of correction.

The bible never said it was a whale. People just assumed that.

It said it was a large sea creature or great fish.

Papist:
My brother the talmud is an anti Christian book. Thats why the talmud was burnt many times in many parts of Europe during the Middle Ages. It is full of anti Christian hate literature.

Talmud is a Jewish book not a Christian book. No one ever said it was Christian. It contained the old testament laws and genealogies. Which was used partly the the Old Testament reviews.

The question you need to ask yourself is, who burnt it?

Papist:
Besides you already proved confession through "scripture alone". Let him use the scripture he is clamouring for, to argue against confession.

Please which scripture is that?

Papist:
I wasnt familiar with him unfortunately. But then again lots of haters of the Church have been converted by the truth which is Christ himself. Think St Paul. Blessings brother.

Your fellow brother that went about preaching that Christ wants us penniless.

I laff.

Papist:
Are you suggesting that you didnt really know what you were talking about. Because you seem to have suggested that the invocation of Mary started after Ephesus due to the sub tuum praesidium?

I am suggesting that history has nothing to do with confirming if a dogma is right. I can give you Jehovah Witness history if you like and why they believe what they beleive.

What matters is the scriptures and what it says.

italo:
Here is you claiming the bible is from the heretical talmud.



https://www.nairaland.com/2552459/scriptural-proof-god-wants-us#37419401

So on what grounds are you challenging Catholic doctrine?

We show you scripture, you say it is 'heresy', 'words of men.'

The Talmud is a huge collection of doctrines and laws compiled and written before the 8th Century, A.D., by ancient Jewish teachers. The Talmud, which often cites the Old Testament, is the basic book of Jewish law.

Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds
There are two editions of the Talmud; one was composed by Babylonian Jews and one by Jews who lived in ancient Jerusalem. Generally a citation from the Talmud refers to the Babylonian version, which is considered authoritative. The Jerusalem Talmud is not generally taught in even the most Orthodox Jewish schools today, though advanced Talmud scholars sometimes study it.
— Anti-Defamation League (12)

So seeing that there old testament laws came from that, I wonder what point you're trying to prove.

BTW, there are two types of Talmud. I am sure the heretical one you are referring to is the Jerusalem Talmud.

So take a chill pill and do a research before talking trash.

Dhugal:
Of course,you didn't.You wouldn't.
There's none as blind as he who would not see.

You lucky say I no get your time today sha.

italo:
So the John 20:23 And Matt 16:19 I quoted on this thread are words of men, right?

And you didn't say if you're denying that you claimed the Bible is from the heretical talmud.

Your afraid to own up to the truth, "christian?"

I didn't see where you quoted that.

italo:
Should I provide the quote where you said the Bible is from the heretical talmud?

So you want to run away from our previous discussion and bring up something else.

You've not said AMEN to that prayer yet.

italo:
Now you're lying.

1. Are you denying that you said the bible is from the heretical talmud?

2. Can you quote where I said I didn't believe the bible?

From what you say, its obvious you don't beleive the bible. You beleive in the words of men.

italo:
Papist, what did I tell you?

Now he's back to the same scriptures he says is from a heretical source.



Jeromejnr, how can you ask for backing from a scripture you say is heretical?

Why do you accuse me falsely my guy.

Its one of the sins God says is an abomination to Him o.

italo:
No surprise...

You also think the Bible is heretical.

You always think the wrong things.

How na.

You're the one who doesn't believe the bible. You are afraid of the Truth.

No wonder when Jesus Himself brought the Truth, He was called a heretical teacher by the Pharisees.

Pharisees are those who stay too far from the Truth that they can't even see it.

italo:
Na lie!

BTW, I thought you were Jehovah Witness, why are you here?

italo:
Still can't cite your source.

Italo

I actually didn't know this was you. Ahh! For your sake I would have brought out the sources.

italo:
Mind you, you're arguing against Jeromejnr who would go as low as claiming the bible is from a heretical source, just to oppose the Catholic Church.

Keep that in mind.

If you need me to provide the quote, I will.

Now he considers the History Channel as his Bible...

When the History Channel supports Catholicism, you'll hear him scream "bible alone!"

He's just hear to oppose the Church, even if it means blaspheming

Hahaha. Italo. My guy.

You are welcome to the conversation.

You talk of history channel. Well, that was why I diverted the discussion back to the scriptures.

All I want right now is scriptural backing of all claims. Shikena.

castro316:
My first month I maade N4,200 after teaching for free for most of the time, though small and in the midst of trying times, I divided it into two and gave N N2,100 to God. It did reach more than 48hrs before this one came.

cool.

italo:
Still can't cite your source(s).



Where is the proof that any of the 'sources' said what you claim?

I can cite many, I just don't have time.

Papist:
History Channel is as reliable as wikipedia if not worse. Second no the prayer that you mean...the sub tuum praesidium? No it was not read at Ephesus. Also the Council of Ephesus was in response to the Nestorian heresy a heresy which threatened the divinity of Christ by regusing to call his mother Birth Giver of God aka Theotokos. And how exactly was St Irenaeus misunderstood?

Forget all this ones. I don't have time to start getting into history.

The point is, is what you're doing commanded in the scriptures? I have seen majority twist the scripture to try to suit their claims.

Most Catholics just believe all these because they grew up that way. So even if the truth comes, its hard to accept. Instead they use scriptures that was given to them from the pulpit that has been twisted from generations past to try and defend their claims..

castro316:
That is not my first salary. Read my text well I was teaching in my madams place before I met the guy. Do u know what I did to my first salary?

Okay.

I am sure you gave all of it to God.

castro316:
It's hard how easy to fall into favor like that. That is God for you.
In my case I didn't bliv it was true untill I received my first pay . I used it buy this BlackBerry Q10 I am using to text this message to u now.

So you used your first salary to buy BB

Papist:
Excuse me where did you read all this? Can you cite your sources please. You dont even know the name of the Council where. they supposedly made it ok to pray to Mary? Are you reffering to the Council where Mary was called Theotokos? Are you talking about the Council of Ephesus?

There is no just one source. I mostly got my info from the history channel and then other readings.

But anyway, what you reffered to there is the Third Ecumenical council, which was in the 5th century. And maybe as you know the concept of praying to Mary came as a result of a hymn which was written. Which was later accepted by the council. And later they brought up churches dedicated to Mary.

And all this debate of praying to Mary was done without scriptural backing o. But based on different assumptions. All this started because of misunderstanding of what Iraneaus said about Mary in the 2nd century.

castro316:
Why will you blivit!cos u don't help. It has also happened to me and it it was like a dream. This time a guy working for one of my madam tutorial center. A centre that my highest pay was, N15,000. He was stranded along cele express road in lagos and I picked him up with my father's car I borrowed for emergency situations. There was so much load on him that I wondered how he will get to the office. After we got to the office I never knew he was thinking of who to direct. To meet. Man who was looking for a private tutor ans so being that I helped him that day, he decided to hand me the job. Do u know that the man was a retired nnpc manager and he was able to pay me, 50,000 naira for his kid whom I taught 5 subjects abnormal for tutorial teacher. So don't disbelieve. God works in mysterious ways and try to help a stranger in anyway u cann.

Jesus lives.

Of course I beleive God works wonders. No doubt about that. Its this particular story I don't believe.

Even though its good to do good.

I don't believe the story.

Even just by looking at the way you narrated the story in what you called your "friends own words". Nobody talks like that with word of mouth. Except written for a blog or something.

That reason alone gave you away.

Gejpresident:
don't ever quote me again in ur life scum

I won't be surprised if your own prayer works for you.

Papist:
And after the Apostles died the Church disappeared right? Only to be resurrected by Martin Luther and his friends? So the martyrs of the catacombs of Rome who died for their faith in Christ were not Christians. St Polycarp, St Philomena, St Agnes etc?

Seems, you don't know the history of the church very well.

Let me summarise:

There was a massive persecution. Christians were dispersed into so many nations as a result. Later Constantine comes and stops the killings of Christians. He establishes Christianity as the major religion in Rome.

Now Rome is a gentile nation. Known for its practices of idolatry and worldliness.

Many Christians as a result troop into Rome because there they found peace. But still some remained in other nations.

Then something happens. Constantine starts to give decress and laws for how Christianity should be practiced. There was a struggle at first but as time went by some of this genti
Practice's were accepted and mixed together with Christianity. Then came all forms of bishops and dogmas.

Now later on, someone in a particular council (I think they called it second council order or something) ..comes up with a suggestion of praying to Mary as a result of just one scripture he read. Years after it was established by the Pope as an accepted doctrine.

Meanwhile all this is happening, those Christians in other nations are still living in the commands of the early apostles and are not affected by the teachings of Rome. They go about techomg the Word, God still confirming it with signs and wonders and then God raises up some people who will go forth and shine the light of the glorious gospel as given originally by Jesus and the apostles which came revelation by revelation until what we call full gospel movement came about....

A revival broke out as a result (Azusa street) were the whole town was brought to the knowledge of God and the ways of the early apostles. Meanwhile all this is happening there is no praying to Mary going on and all those other practice's.

But at the other side, because most people have been brought up with the ways of the Romans and have mixed it with Christianity, even when they saw the truth, they could not accept it. So as we have it then we have it now.

There are always going to be Pharisees who try to establish their own doctrines and their own way of righteousness.

Papist:
No Jesus is our mediator not intercessor. There is a difference. And Jesus is our mediator to the Father because he reconciled mankind to God through becoming one of us by being born in the flesh.

Hebrews 7:25: Therefore He (Jesus) is able also to save to the uttermost those who come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Not Mary.

Papist:
I would say ignorance of Christian history before Martin Luther and his ilk. Or do you think there were no Christians before the Protestants came along in the 16th century?

Yep! The apostles and their disciples were Christians.

krattoss:
So because u cant explain all these , then u then attributed it to a god?

Read it again.

Gejpresident:
Op may u die in this ember month

U will not see year 2016 for doubting almighty God

Can you read at all

And besides, all this type of prayers don't work.

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