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italo:
Talk about your own.

I never saw a bad priest who claimed God told him to rape boys...

But your protestant pastors do that. They don't just sin, like everyone else. They claim it's the Holy Spirit's directive.

You don't see the log in your own eye.

And do you really believe the lie you Protestants spread about Jesus not coming back?

Why do you people embrace lies so much? Anyway you're serving satan, the father of lies.

Provide the source for that.

You wont...because you cant.

italo:
Now you're telling blatant lies.

Quote where I said it.

You won't...because you can't.

You have no problem telling lies because you are serving satan the father of lies...who you said is the source of the bible.

italo:
Which scriptures?

The same one you said is satanic?

italo:
Except that you can't claim not to be protestant while you worship the protestant bible.



So you should look into your pastors feeding you snakes, petrol and feeding your mothers, sisters and daughters semen...all these in church

italo:
Na wah for protestant ignoramuses o...

So because Nebuchadnezzar was called King of kings...

...and a false god was called Queen of heaven...

It is now sinful to have the real King of kings, Queen of heaven, and God?

Do they collect your brains in your churches shops?

italo:
Yet you use the protestant bible...

Or did you reconstruct yours?

vooks:
Am saying I may not understand fully Romans 8:26 but that don't mean I will latch onto any interpretation of the same. I can outrightly rule out some


Sounds logical except Christianity is a walk and life of faith not sight. Have you been to heaven? Have you met Jesus yet? Must we meet Jesus to 'understand' Christianity?


Am sorry I offended you sir. Thank you for your time , much appreciated that you took your time and shared your faith sir. May the Lord increase you and in you.

italo:
Pope that compiled the bible in 382AD.

Maybe he lied about the compilation too.

Clown.

vooks:
It is pointless getting carnal over spiritual matters. Why the personal jabs?


Romans says they are UNUTTERABLE. an uttered groan is by definition the opposite of UNUTTERABLE


I don't claim to understand all scriptures but I lack anything linking Romans to tongues and I find abundant evidence that it can't be tongues for the reasons I have shared above

vooks:
Distinguish the two from scriptures. Thank you


Am not more enlightened sir, am a lover of God and the truth.
The bible says groans that can't be uttered. How comes prayer in tongues are audible?
And secondly, how comes Paul says we should interpret the prayers in tongues ('groans') as well?
1 Corinthians 14:13-15 (KJV)
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:


It is very clear tongues are for unbelievers. That's Holy Spirit speaking sir. Here,
1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe

vooks:
Bro, what went down at Pentecost, 'ministry gift' or 'praying in the language'?


Very comforting verse. I don't know how one hops from this to praying in tongues


Sorry I don't understand

italo:
Very correct. Like the Protestants that eat snakes that pastor gave them and go to church naked because pastor told them to...and the Protestants whose pastor in Brazil told his female congregation to drink holy milk from his penis.

You're very correct.

OLAADEGBU:
You need to catch up with the latest pronouncement of your Pope, you're out of date.

vooks:
The fact that scriptures tells you not all speak in tongues nor interpret should qualify your assumptions. You have 4 or so instances of baptism of the Holy Spirit with t least three clearly telling you they spoke in tongues. Should you assume that ALL MUST SPEAK IN TONGUES or should you not rather follow the clear voice of the Holy Spirit here;
1 Corinthians 12:30 (AMP)
30 Do all possess extraordinary powers of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?


The point is that 'inner witness' need not be visible to me to make it true. Likewise, your baptism of the Holy Spirit need not be witnessed by me.

vooks:
This verse tells us the Jews perceived the Gentiles had received the baptism because they heard them speak in tongues. But please note a few things

Acts 10:46 (KJV)
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
1. The Jews heard them MAGNIFY GOD. So they heard what they Gentiles were saying.
2. While this means they received the baptism and spoke in tongues, and baptism was evidenced by tongues,nowhere is it said that baptism MUST be evidenced by tongues.

There are other aspects of salvation more important than baptism such as forgiveness of sins, being born again which have no evidence. Why? Because they are received by faith.


Again, baptism followed by tongues but who said tongues MUST evidence baptism?


Where is it written that baptism MUST be evidenced by tongues?

The fact that in Corinthians we are taught not all speak in tongues means so many who received the baptism NEVER spoke in tongues

vooks:
I have one scripture for you
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The scriptures are sufficient in and of themselves, may WE not be found resisting Holy Spirit by upholding lawlessness and traditions of men

vooks:
My brother
1 Corinthians 14:13- 17 (KJV) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified..
1. Pray
2. Sing
3. Bless
All these 3 MUST be interpreted so others may be edified and say amen. Otherwise why would Paul use the examples specifically in the context of interpretation of tongues?


When Christians were constantly praying for Peter in prison, how do you think they prayed together? Was it English? Were they saying, "Lord deliver Peter" over and over repeatedly?
Or was it tongues they all used?

This thing is not hard to understand.

misreal:
you try oh.I can't waste my time arguing oh.

vooks:
First, there is no scripture that says one needs evidence of baptism of Holy Spirit much less that the evidence being tongues. That is doctrines of men that make the word of God of non-effect.

What evidence do you have that you are born again? What about evidence that your name is written in the book of life? Or better, that your sins are forgiven?

vooks:
EVERYONE means entire church. How different is everyone in the church having a tongue and the whole church bubbling in tongues simultaneously?


Agreed but the reason it never said that is because church is where 2 or three are gathered. Church in apostolic times were usually held in homes. See here
1 Corinthians 16:19 (KJV)
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


Bro we are splitting hairs. Whether somebody is at the front or back, ain't they both IN CHURCH?

dmandy:
Now you act like a Christian.

Yes I speak in tongues.

Yes I am baptized in the holy ghost.

dmandy:
ok.

that has always been the tactics.

vooks:
you can all pray in tongues if you all interpret. But it should be done orderly. Hear Holy Spirit speaking;
1 Corinthians 14:26-28 (KJV)
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God

vooks:
My broda,
Regardless of the various species of tongues, nothing uninterpreted is to be admitted in public worship

misreal:
hahahahaahhaha..even if you try,will he even agree?

misreal:
will you be able to explain all these at once

dmandy:
When it's time to say, okay now I understand, you do that. There's no shame anywhere. We learn everyday and from each other.

vooks:
Amen
God help you too. Or you are all too knowledgeable and you don't need help, right?