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davidylan:
. You cry "christian reason" and yet all the best you can come up with is "human reasoning" that does not even fall within acceptable boundaries of human intelligence.
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davidylan:
You are not i search of the truth and that is why you will continue tripping your feet all over John 3:13.

Did you read the statement of Jesus Christ Himself as quoted in Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.? Did i put that word "paradise" in the book of Luke? Maybe you can carry John 3:13 to Christ and accuse Him of lying and misusing words on the cross.

davidylan:
It may sound crazy but Paul himself gives us a not too clear insight into the fact that there may actually be different grades of heaven of which paradise might be one. Again the bible is not very clear on this so i wont give a categorical statement. Judge for yourself and the Holy Spirit guide those who are truly in search of knowledge:

Those who cling to John 3:13 and clap themselves on the back for having discovered yet another christian "trap" can continue reveling in their own delusions.

2 Corinthians 12: 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

davidylan:
Apparently you now see yourself as intelligent, nothing could be farther from the truth: here are just a few for people like you who don't read before making noise:
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter

davidylan:
1. It is not a matter of "good manners", its is certain you asked the "question" NOT to seek for answers but trying to appear smart. There is no hide and seek with the bible. . . paradise and heaven are 2 different places. That the bible chooses to use both words uninterchangeable should be enough evidence.

2. The mighty prophets of old are in paradise. True. you can choose to hit your head on the wall, it doesnt change the truth.

Another New Doctrine? ehn? the mighty prophets of old are in paradise but not heaven according to Our Lord "And no man hath ascended up to heaven , but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is from heaven." John 3:13 ,now were is paradise referred to in the scriptures,i mean in which testament, and what is it referred to? (find out more in the book of revelations, last book )

True. you can choose to hit your head on the wall, it doesnt change the truth

davidylan:
I don't know everything, i learn everyday and i will appreciate if someone more knowledgeable sheds some light on this issue.
thanks

davidylan:
Sir, i avoid no questions. The mighty prophets of old are in paradise. Depending on your level of spiritual understanding people do say that paradise is slightly lower than heaven and that we don't all really get to heaven until after the rapture. I tend to disagree though but God knows better.

Ever read about the translation of Enoch? Elijah never saw death but was transported to heaven in a chariot of fire.

Look at the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Jesus Christ mentions Lazarus being in the bossom of Abraham in paradise.

Christian Reason!!!

what if elijah was taken to another "entire" different location? oh so you mean Elijah went to heaven when even Jesus Christ said himself "And no man hath ascended up to heaven , but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is from heaven." John 3:13 what if i just said a lie?

Look at the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Jesus Christ mentions Lazarus being in the bossom of Abraham in paradise

what if you just read that verse Literally

cgift:
Would you just get lost! If you want answers to that, open another thread. Seeming detractor!

Seun:
LOL.

davidylan:
They are in heaven today . . .

mdsocks:
During Prophet Ibrahim's time, His father were idolaters who woship stones and object
One day they had a sort of festival and left home to the town center for the celebration leaving Prophet Ibrahim alone at home.

Afetr leaving, Prophet Ibrahim(ASWS) destroyed all their gods and left the biggest amongst them alone, after this he hanged te cutlass over the neck of the biggest.

When the idolaters came back, they were suprised to find there gods destroyed, They panted frantically and said they new who would have done this bad thing to them.

Prophet ibrahim was called and asked if he new anything about it.
He answered that he new nothing about it,that they should ask the biggest with the axe if he can hear or speak to them who destroyed their gods,

This made the idolaters angry and decided that they would burn Prophet Ibrahim , They gathered firewoods and made fire ,

After doing all these, they threw Prophet Ibrahim into the fire,
Allah the most high sent his word down, and the fire turned cooled for Prophet Ibrahim, he was not hurt by the fire and came out clean and unhurt

With this ,the idolaters sent Prophet Ibrahim packing from the town.

Sharn06:
Some 'junkies' said i luk like Stella Damasus. How high they were!

n u think u r pretty! ehn?

chiogo:
You do, obviously.

tkb417:
for this my guy, i need to have your email. Sometimes i wonder where you brilliant people on Nairaland are? why do you guys allow people like Jerrymania to just yarn dusts.

My take is
im a xtian and i believe im right- Cos the Bible told me with Christ, ill be in Heaven; meaning the Muslims wont go to heaven

The Muslims believe, if you have another religion apart from Islam, you cannot enter heaven.Then, how can we be so sure either is right because both of them have holy books!!!!!