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 Romance › Re: Lady Who Demanded N20k From Her 'Toaster' To Prove His Love For Her, Reacts by jFrankNorfleet: 5:22am On Aug 18, 2018 |
AngryNigerian22:that picture though, When did we start putting wigs on animals? They should use her picture as a example of one of the 72 virgins that suicide bombers would get and We'd never have another suicide bomber ever again... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 9:22am On Jul 24, 2018 |
SonOfAfonja:Yes o! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Leaving Islam Landed Me In Prison - Alexander Aan by jFrankNorfleet(op): 5:27am On Jul 10, 2018 |
According to human rights organizations and various surveys, religious intolerance is on the rise in Indonesia, at least partly because of the growing influence of radical Islamic groups that use street protests and acts of violence to support their aims. Some of these radical groups demonstrated in Jakarta, the capital, before Mr. Aan’s trial in West Sumatra in 2012. “His case very much ties in with that whole trend,” said Benedict Rogers, the East Asia team leader for Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a human rights organization founded in Britain. The group released a report in February warning that religious intolerance in Indonesia was spreading beyond traditionally conservative Muslim bases like West Java Province. “Of course there would be religious people who would take offense about someone publicly expressing this view” about atheism, Mr. Rogers said. “But I think if it weren’t for this growing Islamism and extremism, Alexander’s case probably wouldn’t have happened.” Mr. Aan’s troubles began in January 2012 when a mob in the Dharmasraya district of West Sumatra showed up looking for him at a government planning office where he worked as a data analyst. “They wanted me to stop saying there is no God,” he said. “I told them that it was my right to express my beliefs.” Police officers were called to prevent any violence, and they instead escorted Mr. Aan to the local police station, where he found himself being interrogated and, within hours, charged with disseminating information aimed at inciting religious hatred. The next day, he was charged with blasphemy and inciting others to embrace atheism. A court in Padang, the capital of West Sumatra Province, threw out the blasphemy and atheism charges, but it convicted Mr. Aan in June 2012 of trying to incite religious hatred under the electronic information law and sentenced him to two and a half years in prison. |
| Christianity Etc › How Leaving Islam Landed Me In Prison - Alexander Aan by jFrankNorfleet(op): 5:56pm On Jul 09, 2018*. Modified: 5:25am On Jul 10, 2018 |
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4386911_z2_jpeg60df1ac41abfc1be6f045f1eeb2494fc www.nairaland.com/attachments/4386912_images1_jpegd981a8b1fae6a56cbfd792de36a93677 Growing up in a conservative Muslim household in rural West Sumatra, Alexander Aan hid a dark secret beginning at age 9: He did not believe in God. His feelings only hardened as he got older and he faked his way through daily prayers, Islamic holidays and the fasting month of Ramadan. He stopped praying in 2008, when he was 26, and he finally told his parents and three younger siblings that he was an atheist — a rare revelation in a country like Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim-majority nation. They responded with disappointment and expressions of hope that he would return to Islam. But Mr. Aan neither returned to Islam nor confined his secret to his family, and he ended up in prison after running afoul of a 2008 law restricting electronic communications. He had joined an atheist Facebook group started by Indonesians living in the Netherlands, and in 2011 he began posting commentaries outlining why he did not think God existed. “When I saw, with my own eyes, poor people, people on television caught up in war, people who were hungry or ill, it made me uncomfortable,” Mr. Aan, now 32, said in an interview. “What is the meaning of this? As a Muslim, I had questioned God — what is the meaning of God?” He was released on parole on Jan. 27 after serving more than 19 months on a charge of inciting religious hatred. Indonesia’s state ideology, Pancasila, enshrines monotheism, and blasphemy is illegal. However, the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion and speech, and the country is 16 years into a transition from authoritarianism to democracy. But Mr. Aan’s case is one of an increasing number of instances of persecution connected to freedom of religion in Indonesia in recent years. Although Indonesia has influential Christian, Hindu and Buddhist minorities, every year there have been hundreds of episodes, including violent attacks, targeting religious minorities like Christians and Shiite and Ahmadiyah Muslims, as well as dozens of arrests over blasphemy against Islam. Numerous churches have been closed for lacking proper permits. To be continued |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 5:14pm On Jul 09, 2018 |
Goodness4525:Lol 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Difference Between A Prayer And A Wish? by jFrankNorfleet: 7:46am On Jul 08, 2018 |
dalaman:Okay, so you're reiterating what HopefulLandlord said |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Difference Between A Prayer And A Wish? by jFrankNorfleet: 7:30am On Jul 08, 2018 |
dalaman:But we all have wishful thoughts, do you mean you're actually praying every time you have them? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 6:46am On Jul 08, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Wow! groundbreaking!! You're doing a good job ignoring this thread Now like and share your post with your alternate monickers as usual 14 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 6:34am On Jul 08, 2018 |
Butterflyleo: Butterflyleo:Take your own advice and stop being a hypocrite, practice what you preach by avoiding my threads Keep liking and sharing your own posts though, it would make it appear a lot more sensible! 16 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 6:31am On Jul 08, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Do you mind packing yourself up and getting out of my threads. my threads are not for your edification. i share because there might be people like hin out there too scared to question the nonsense they think they're too deep into. I am sorry if it hurts you but that's your own cup of coffee, many more are coming and I will never stop sharing them even if it rubs some of you the wrong way. Deconversion is personal to each person and the reasons for their personal experiences and choices always come from a place of PERSONAL SEARCH based on their PERSONAL SITUATIONS. What is applicable to him may not be so for you and really doesn't matter if it is or not. Bottom line is that it is applicable to someone out there even if it isn't you. HE WAS ONCE AN CHRISTIAN EVEN PASTORED BUT DUMPED CHRISTIANITY FASTER THAN HOT COALS WHEN TRUTH ABOUT HOW ABSURD IT IS. That's the focus of this thread You on the other hand can take your bitter self out of my thread and use the bitterness loaded in you to cook bitter leaf soup. Another's Joy irks you, another's peace irks you, another's life irks you, another's testimony irks you. Profound problems you are yet to remedy about yourself yet you wish to criticize the one who is now overflowing with Joy, Peace, life and sharing his experiences. 20 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 4:11am On Jul 08, 2018*. Modified: 4:40am On Jul 08, 2018 |
All of these dilemmas would be easily resolved if only God spoke clearly about something. This is what I spent countless years praying for – that God would answer some simple question of mine. What does he think of me doing this or that? What does he want me to do in this or that situation? Why am I supposed to waste years on guessing, when he could resolve everything in seconds? I spent nights and days pleading him to answer just one question, say just one word. Anything would do. But he kept silent. In the end, the one thing that did it for me was observing, as a pastor, how Christians lead their lives when they think nobody is watching. Because if there was one fundamental promise of Christianity that I kept sticking to after years of disappointment, it was that God is changing people’s lives. I could live with God not giving me my daily bread and not delivering me from evil – after all, it could always be because of his perfect heavenly plan that I am just too limited to comprehend. But the one thing that I thought the Bible is clear about is that he is supposed to change people for the better. Maybe not instantly, maybe not completely (not in this life anyway), but by the power of Holy Spirit people should be transformed into the glory of Christ, becoming better, more compassionate, more moral, more Christ-like. But nothing like that happens – in church, they just learn how to masquerade better. This was the final straw, the ultimate promise of the Bible that turned out to be false too. The whole house of theological fine print finally collapsed. Leaving faith in personal God was an unimaginable relief. For the first time in my life, the world started to make sense without retorting to hundreds of self-contradicting excuses. For the first time, I found a worldview that matches the world as it is, not as I wanted it to be. I don’t have to fight facts anymore. I don’t have to find excuses for God anymore. This whole big layer of spirituality, which was supposed to be comforting, turned out to be simply confusing. The world is much more beautiful when you are actually able to understand it. Source 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 2:43am On Jul 08, 2018*. Modified: 8:00pm On Jul 08, 2018 |
Butterflyleo:Do you mind packing yourself up and getting out of my threads. my threads are not for your edification. i share because there might be people like hin out there too scared to question the nonsense they think they're too deep into. I am sorry if it hurts you but that's your own cup of coffee, many more are coming and I will never stop sharing them even if it rubs some of you the wrong way. Deconversion is personal to each person and the reasons for their personal experiences and choices always come from a place of PERSONAL SEARCH based on their PERSONAL SITUATIONS. What is applicable to him may not be so for you and really doesn't matter if it is or not. Bottom line is that it is applicable to someone out there even if it isn't you. HE WAS ONCE AN CHRISTIAN EVEN PASTORED BUT DUMPED CHRISTIANITY FASTER THAN HOT COALS WHEN TRUTH ABOUT HOW ABSURD IT IS. That's the focus of this thread You on the other hand can take your bitter self out of my thread and use the bitterness loaded in you to cook bitter leaf soup. Another's Joy irks you, another's peace irks you, another's life irks you, another's testimony irks you. Profound problems you are yet to remedy about yourself yet you wish to criticize the one who is now overflowing with Joy, Peace, life and sharing his experiences. 6 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 10:29pm On Jul 07, 2018*. Modified: 2:44am On Jul 08, 2018 |
https://s1-ssl.dmcdn.net/SEub/x240-pIx.jpg When you sign up for a new insurance policy, reading it may be very reassuring. You feel protected. It seems that every unfortunate event in your life will be covered. But attached to the policy is also the fine print – an endless list of clauses that allow the insurance company to bail out on coverage in numerous (and often quite surprising) situations. Reading the fine print can leave you very disillusioned, and you may start wondering if the policy actually covers anything at all. (That’s why most of the people skip reading it altogether. Pentecostal Christianity offers exactly this kind of “policy” for your life. It is full of promises about what God is supposed to do for you, both in this life and in the next. He will answer your prayers. He will guide you. He will protect you. He will give you wisdom, strength and an abundance of everything that you will ever need. All of these promises are more or less directly derived from the Bible, which is treated as inspired and literally infallible. But when you live this kind of life for a few years, you start noticing that more often than not, these promises fail to materialize. You begin collecting answered prayers, because they are so rare. You notice that bad things happen to you as frequently as to your non-believing friends. You make bad decisions thinking that God told you to make them, only to realize that you must have heard him wrong. You cannot turn a blind eye anymore to prophecies that failed to become fulfilled, to miraculous healings that were promised but never happened, to people for whom you prayed so hard but were never “saved”, and dozens of other situations where the Bible promises you something but you never get it. What do you do then? You start building excuses, the fine print of your Pentecostal personal theology. To be continued... … 6 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet(op): 10:27pm On Jul 07, 2018 |
Why did I stop believing in God? The shortest answer would be that I ran out of excuses for him. Pentecostal Christianity stresses that God is actively involved in the believers’ lives, answering their prayers, communicating with them, and changing events around them. As a teenager, I loved this idea. I was raised in traditional Catholicism, where God, while powerful, was very distant. I always thought that if there is a God, I wanted to have close contact with him – I couldn’t imagine any other way of living a meaningful life.But the dull Catholic liturgy, repeated week after week, did not provide me that. So when I found myself at a charismatic, joyous Pentecostal meeting, I knew immediately that what I had discovered was a religion for me. On that very day, I was “baptized in the Holy Spirit” and started “speaking in tongues”. I never attended a Catholic mass again (except for sporadic family weddings, christenings and funerals). I found a God who felt so close I could almost touch him, who was personally interested in what was happening with me, and who seemed to personally speak to me via the Bible and the “quiet voice” I kept hearing in my head. It was the fulfillment of my childhood dreams. And then came the excuses. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Kicked Off Egyptian TV, Advised To See Psychiatrist by jFrankNorfleet: 7:40pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Advised to see a psychiatrist for daring to air a view different from the overwhelming majority regardless of how rational or logical his position is? I watched the video, the host shouts too much for someone who serves a living god. I had to reduce the volume as I was streaming it through my home theatre sound system “You have not uttered a single convincing word.” said the host who didn't give him a chance to. I'm sure most of the viewers heard the word "Big Bang Theory" for the first time and curiosity can be triggered from there as they attempt to learn more on what its About 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Mental Disorder Called Atheism. Must Read For All Nairaland Christians by jFrankNorfleet: 6:59pm On Jun 19, 2018 |
| Technology Market › Re: Buy Plasma, Lcd And Led Televisions For Affordable Pricein Lagos. by jFrankNorfleet: 6:59pm On Jun 19, 2018 |
acunon:Its not available in 32in? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Mental Disorder Called Atheism. Must Read For All Nairaland Christians by jFrankNorfleet: 9:54am On Jun 18, 2018 |
AtYourCervix:That anas09 is a talented liar, that's how he said the moving story about watching a "real life" video of an event while adding lies to make it sweeter and fit his agenda. He must be related to Lai Mohammed or maybe, as hopefulLandlord use to say, Yahweh sent lying spirit to him like he did to Ahab's prophets 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by jFrankNorfleet: 6:33am On May 19, 2018*. Modified: 7:33am On May 19, 2018 |
Anas09:Of course, pretend you didn't see the truth so that you can keep spreading lies allover the place. an important tenet of Christianity Anyways I don't care if you ignore or not. I see lies and I call people out for it no matter who the lie is coming from Budaatum and others interested in the truth, here's where you can learn the Truth Be wary of any emotional moving story told by Christians, most times they're filled with lies to fit an agenda 2 Likes |
| Family › Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 6:55pm On May 18, 2018 |
PrecisionFx:Let me elucidate then Humans appear to love each other no conditions attached most times because they can't put their finger on the condition that made them love such a person so it appears unconditional and the only way they'll realise its conditional is if that thing they can't put their finger on gets eliminated. have you ever liked/loved something and one day you're on your bed asking yourself why you loved this thing so much but you can't give a coherent answer? "I just love her, everything about her, its unconditional" is just the person not really knowing the condition, sometimes the condition might actually be looks or wealth or something else but the person doesn't "know" and can't say it so it appears "unconditional" and believe me the person saying that might actually mean it! he isn't lying 3 Likes |
| Family › Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 6:33pm On May 18, 2018 |
PrecisionFx:you still don't get it sir. a love based on look is conditional, a love not based on look is based on some form of condition or another even if the person doing the loving can't really put his/her finger on what makes him/her love the other so much and in such a situation once the unknown "condition" leaves the love leaves or another condition replaces that condition. this unconditional love of a thing makes sense only on the surface but deep thoughts show its simply empty words 1 Like |
| Family › Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 5:28pm On May 18, 2018 |
Miggs:aptly put sir Meaningless words gain traction and people start thinking its meaningful. "Unconditional Love" what does that even mean? that we're able to string words together doesn't make them exist in reality after all Unicorns have a definition doesn't mean they exist 4 Likes |
| Family › Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 4:17pm On May 18, 2018 |
cruchenutii:Give me a single example of a love that's unconditional 1 Like |
| Family › Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 4:17pm On May 18, 2018 |
cruchenutii:Give me a single example of a love that's unconditional 3 Likes |
| Family › Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 3:47pm On May 18, 2018 |
donstan18:I hate it when people put down Africa to make a point about something that's the same the world over There's NO such thing as UNCONDITIONAL LOVE anywhere in the world. people can only lie to themselves that they have unconditional love for someone else but some basic conditions have been met by proxy like a mother's love for a child would appear unconditional unconditional but she couldn't have loved the child the same way if the child belonged to another person. even Christians that scream Jesus loves them unconditionally still says you need to draw closer to Jesus to activate that love which is actually a "condition" Unconditional love is simply empty words 8 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Life? by jFrankNorfleet: 2:11pm On May 18, 2018 |
edicied:Runnin' sampled that line. if you're interested the original was sang by Edgar Winter and the title is "Dying to Live" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by jFrankNorfleet: 1:25pm On May 18, 2018*. Modified: 1:42pm On May 18, 2018 |
Anas09:Lying for Jesus is a hobby for Christians a. They were not against their mentioning "Jesus", they were against people bringing their religious beliefs into it so whatever speech is to be given has to be "Religiously-Neutral", making this about Jesus is implying Mohammed, Sango, Buddha etc is allowed while Jesus is not which isn't the case at all. I know you guys have victim complex and see persecution in everything but this isn't the case b. financiers of Lewis-Palmer High School weren't atheists, the school is a public school and one of the best Public Schools in Colorado. Do you have any proof Lewis-Palmer High is sponsored by atheists or you made that up like Christians are fond of doing? What prevents the girl from mentioning Jesus is what would prevent Budaatum from saying "Jesus is imaginary and Allah is fake, There's no Hell or heaven, no god anywhere" maybe the atheists should also claim persecution for not being able to bring their antireligious views into graduation speeches c. Mike wasn't disconnected, she said everything she wanted to within the 60 seconds allotted time and left the stage as planned, None of her speech was "Edited". what she did was dubiously submit a religiously neutral speech and read a religiously biased one. No one edited the original speech and even she owed up to the dubiousness when she was challenged I know you can't stop lying for Jesus but at least tone your lies down a lil bit CC: Budaatum 6 Likes 2 Shares |
