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Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 5:14pm On Jul 09, 2018
Goodness4525:
Christians indeed!!!! a religion invented by Romans ,propagated, choved down ur throat by ur colonial master, u are here doing anything to defend it,s authenticity.
continue !!!!!
Lol

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Religion / Re: What Is The Difference Between A Prayer And A Wish? by jFrankNorfleet: 7:46am On Jul 08, 2018
dalaman:

Prayers are wishful thoughts directed towards an imaginary deity.
Okay, so you're reiterating what HopefulLandlord said
Religion / Re: What Is The Difference Between A Prayer And A Wish? by jFrankNorfleet: 7:30am On Jul 08, 2018
dalaman:
Prayer is wishful thought.

But we all have wishful thoughts, do you mean you're actually praying every time you have them?
Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 6:46am On Jul 08, 2018
Butterflyleo:
My Brethren, the above is proof that this thread was done out of envy.

The OP is definitely a fan of mine in guest mode grin

Muttleylaff and the rest of my brethren,

He went straight to a quote I made on another thread to post it here asking me to take my own advice. Shows he is a monitoring spirit of my posts cheesy

The below shows when I made the post and it was directed at one of his atheist colleagues who has also been on this thread.




It surely hurts them when we theists ignore them.

Bravo my brethren let's keep up the good work of ignoring them and further ignoring them.

They can watch from the sidelines while we triumph in our faith walk.

Wow I have an atheist fan grin cheesy

He had to edit it too and took out the part about overcoming with the blood of the lamb and the power of testimonies. Lmao
Wow! groundbreaking!!

You're doing a good job ignoring this thread

Now like and share your post with your alternate monickers as usual

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Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 6:34am On Jul 08, 2018
Butterflyleo:


Muttleylaff do you see how weak and totally lame the excuses given were?

Do you also sense the envy in this OP?

I put up numerous threads on atheist conversions and suddenly he wishes to put up one on an alleged theist conversion. Just that the theist was not well grounded in anything to begin with but signed on so he can have his problems fixed and expected God to do it the way he wanted and not according to his will and way.

He must have had God in a bottle. smiley

Butterflyleo:
ALL CHRISTIANS WOULD DO WELL TO LEARN TO AVOID SUCH THREADS AS THOSE OPENED BY ATHEISTS. THEY DONT WANT TO LEARN AND INDEED CAN NEVER LEARN FROM YOU ABOUT GOD. ALL THEY SEEK IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDICULE YOU AND YOUR FAITH.

BE WISE AS A SERPENT MY BRETHREN. IGNORE SUCH THREADS AS THESE

NOTICE THE NUMBER OF ANTI CHRISTIAN THREADS THAT WILL FLOOD THE RELIGION SECTION TODAY BEING SUNDAY BUT WE WILL COUNTER ALL.

ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE FIGHTING YOU AND ALL YOU STAND FOR.

WHEN YOU SEE SUCH THREADS, DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO COMMENT ON THEM BUT RATHER IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON TO MORE PROFITABLE THINGS AS YOU FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH.

LET HE WHO HAS EARS, HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS SAYING

Take your own advice and stop being a hypocrite, practice what you preach by avoiding my threads

Keep liking and sharing your own posts though, it would make it appear a lot more sensible!

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Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 6:31am On Jul 08, 2018
Butterflyleo:


Muttleylaff do you see how weak and totally lame the excuses given were?

Do you also sense the envy in this OP?

I put up numerous threads on atheist conversions and suddenly he wishes to put up one on an alleged theist conversion. Just that the theist was not well grounded in anything to begin with but signed on so he can have his problems fixed and expected God to do it the way he wanted and not according to his will and way.

He must have had God in a bottle. smiley

Do you mind packing yourself up and getting out of my threads.

my threads are not for your edification.

i share because there might be people like hin out there too scared to question the nonsense they think they're too deep into. I am sorry if it hurts you but that's your own cup of coffee, many more are coming and I will never stop sharing them even if it rubs some of you the wrong way.

Deconversion is personal to each person and the reasons for their personal experiences and choices always come from a place of PERSONAL SEARCH based on their PERSONAL SITUATIONS.

What is applicable to him may not be so for you and really doesn't matter if it is or not.

Bottom line is that it is applicable to someone out there even if it isn't you.

HE WAS ONCE AN CHRISTIAN EVEN PASTORED BUT DUMPED CHRISTIANITY FASTER THAN HOT COALS WHEN TRUTH ABOUT HOW ABSURD IT IS.

That's the focus of this thread

You on the other hand can take your bitter self out of my thread and use the bitterness loaded in you to cook bitter leaf soup.

Another's Joy irks you, another's peace irks you, another's life irks you, another's testimony irks you. Profound problems you are yet to remedy about yourself yet you wish to criticize the one who is now overflowing with Joy, Peace, life and sharing his experiences.

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Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 4:11am On Jul 08, 2018
All of these dilemmas would be easily resolved if only God spoke clearly about something. This is what I spent countless years praying for – that God would answer some simple question of mine. What does he think of me doing this or that? What does he want me to do in this or that situation? Why am I supposed to waste years on guessing, when he could resolve everything in seconds? I spent nights and days pleading him to answer just one question, say just one word. Anything would do. But he kept silent.

In the end, the one thing that did it for me was observing, as a pastor, how Christians lead their lives when they think nobody is watching. Because if there was one fundamental promise of Christianity that I kept sticking to after years of disappointment, it was that God is changing people’s lives. I could live with God not giving me my daily bread and not delivering me from evil – after all, it could always be because of his perfect heavenly plan that I am just too limited to comprehend. But the one thing that I thought the Bible is clear about is that he is supposed to change people for the better. Maybe not instantly, maybe not completely (not in this life anyway), but by the power of Holy Spirit people should be transformed into the glory of Christ, becoming better, more compassionate, more moral, more Christ-like. But nothing like that happens – in church, they just learn how to masquerade better. This was the final straw, the ultimate promise of the Bible that turned out to be false too. The whole house of theological fine print finally collapsed.

Leaving faith in personal God was an unimaginable relief. For the first time in my life, the world started to make sense without retorting to hundreds of self-contradicting excuses. For the first time, I found a worldview that matches the world as it is, not as I wanted it to be. I don’t have to fight facts anymore. I don’t have to find excuses for God anymore. This whole big layer of spirituality, which was supposed to be comforting, turned out to be simply confusing. The world is much more beautiful when you are actually able to understand it.

Source

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Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 2:43am On Jul 08, 2018
Butterflyleo:


Muttleylaff do you see how weak and totally lame the excuses given were?

Do you also sense the envy in this OP?

I put up numerous threads on atheist conversions and suddenly he wishes to put up one on an alleged theist conversion. Just that the theist was not well grounded in anything to begin with but signed on so he can have his problems fixed and expected God to do it the way he wanted and not according to his will and way.

He must have had God in a bottle. smiley

Do you mind packing yourself up and getting out of my threads.

my threads are not for your edification.

i share because there might be people like hin out there too scared to question the nonsense they think they're too deep into. I am sorry if it hurts you but that's your own cup of coffee, many more are coming and I will never stop sharing them even if it rubs some of you the wrong way.

Deconversion is personal to each person and the reasons for their personal experiences and choices always come from a place of PERSONAL SEARCH based on their PERSONAL SITUATIONS.

What is applicable to him may not be so for you and really doesn't matter if it is or not.

Bottom line is that it is applicable to someone out there even if it isn't you.

HE WAS ONCE AN CHRISTIAN EVEN PASTORED BUT DUMPED CHRISTIANITY FASTER THAN HOT COALS WHEN TRUTH ABOUT HOW ABSURD IT IS.

That's the focus of this thread

You on the other hand can take your bitter self out of my thread and use the bitterness loaded in you to cook bitter leaf soup.

Another's Joy irks you, another's peace irks you, another's life irks you, another's testimony irks you. Profound problems you are yet to remedy about yourself yet you wish to criticize the one who is now overflowing with Joy, Peace, life and sharing his experiences.

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Religion / Re: "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 10:29pm On Jul 07, 2018


When you sign up for a new insurance policy, reading it may be very reassuring. You feel protected. It seems that every unfortunate event in your life will be covered. But attached to the policy is also the fine print – an endless list of clauses that allow the insurance company to bail out on coverage in numerous (and often quite surprising) situations. Reading the fine print can leave you very disillusioned, and you may start wondering if the policy actually covers anything at all. (That’s why most of the people skip reading it altogether.

Pentecostal Christianity offers exactly this kind of “policy” for your life. It is full of promises about what God is supposed to do for you, both in this life and in the next. He will answer your prayers. He will guide you. He will protect you. He will give you wisdom, strength and an abundance of everything that you will ever need. All of these promises are more or less directly derived from the Bible, which is treated as inspired and literally infallible.

But when you live this kind of life for a few years, you start noticing that more often than not, these promises fail to materialize. You begin collecting answered prayers, because they are so rare. You notice that bad things happen to you as frequently as to your non-believing friends. You make bad decisions thinking that God told you to make them, only to realize that you must have heard him wrong. You cannot turn a blind eye anymore to prophecies that failed to become fulfilled, to miraculous healings that were promised but never happened, to people for whom you prayed so hard but were never “saved”, and dozens of other situations where the Bible promises you something but you never get it.

What do you do then? You start building excuses, the fine print of your Pentecostal personal theology.

To be continued... …

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Religion / "Why I Stopped Believing In God" Ex Presbyterian Pastor Michal Pleban by jFrankNorfleet: 10:27pm On Jul 07, 2018
Why did I stop believing in God? The shortest answer would be that I ran out of excuses for him. Pentecostal Christianity stresses that God is actively involved in the believers’ lives, answering their prayers, communicating with them, and changing events around them. As a teenager, I loved this idea. I was raised in traditional Catholicism, where God, while powerful, was very distant. I always thought that if there is a God, I wanted to have close contact with him – I couldn’t imagine any other way of living a meaningful life.But the dull Catholic liturgy, repeated week after week, did not provide me that. So when I found myself at a charismatic, joyous Pentecostal meeting, I knew immediately that what I had discovered was a religion for me.

On that very day, I was “baptized in the Holy Spirit” and started “speaking in tongues”. I never attended a Catholic mass again (except for sporadic family weddings, christenings and funerals). I found a God who felt so close I could almost touch him, who was personally interested in what was happening with me, and who seemed to personally speak to me via the Bible and the “quiet voice” I kept hearing in my head. It was the fulfillment of my childhood dreams.

And then came the excuses.

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Religion / Re: Atheist Kicked Off Egyptian TV, Advised To See Psychiatrist by jFrankNorfleet: 7:40pm On Jul 04, 2018
Advised to see a psychiatrist for daring to air a view different from the overwhelming majority regardless of how rational or logical his position is?

I watched the video, the host shouts too much for someone who serves a living god. I had to reduce the volume as I was streaming it through my home theatre sound system

“You have not uttered a single convincing word.” said the host who didn't give him a chance to.

I'm sure most of the viewers heard the word "Big Bang Theory" for the first time and curiosity can be triggered from there as they attempt to learn more on what its About

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Religion / Re: The Mental Disorder Called Atheism. Must Read For All Nairaland Christians by jFrankNorfleet: 6:59pm On Jun 19, 2018
Anas09:

Post my lies.
https://www.nairaland.com/4509458/student-wins-right-talk-jesus#67666173
Technology Market / Re: Buy Plasma, Lcd And Led Televisions For Affordable Pricein Lagos. by jFrankNorfleet: 6:59pm On Jun 19, 2018
acunon:
Samsung 40" Smart Full HD 3D Motion and Voice control LED TV with Wi-Fi

Model Code : UE40F6200/F6400

Price : 110K negotiable

Its not available in 32in?

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Religion / Re: The Mental Disorder Called Atheism. Must Read For All Nairaland Christians by jFrankNorfleet: 9:54am On Jun 18, 2018
AtYourCervix:

if my exposing lies gets interpreted by liars as "being angry" and bitter then I'm a proud angry and bitter person

Just like jFrankNorfleet, I don't care if you respond, I see you tell your holy spirit enabled lies and I call you out for it with facts to back myself up

That anas09 is a talented liar, that's how he said the moving story about watching a "real life" video of an event while adding lies to make it sweeter and fit his agenda. He must be related to Lai Mohammed or maybe, as hopefulLandlord use to say, Yahweh sent lying spirit to him like he did to Ahab's prophets

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Religion / Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by jFrankNorfleet: 6:33am On May 19, 2018
Anas09:

See, i have walked passed your type, so i will ignore you and pretend i didn't see this.

Of course, pretend you didn't see the truth so that you can keep spreading lies allover the place. an important tenet of Christianity

Anyways I don't care if you ignore or not. I see lies and I call people out for it no matter who the lie is coming from

Budaatum and others interested in the truth,
here's where you can learn the Truth


Be wary of any emotional moving story told by Christians, most times they're filled with lies to fit an agenda

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Family / Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 6:55pm On May 18, 2018
PrecisionFx:




grin ...

I tried to make sense of ur post but i couldn't.

Humans luv each other with no conditions or strings attached. I have experienced it a few times n many other humans on earth have done so as well. It us a fact that has been here for millenias so there's no point of arguing.

Let me elucidate then

Humans appear to love each other no conditions attached most times because they can't put their finger on the condition that made them love such a person so it appears unconditional and the only way they'll realise its conditional is if that thing they can't put their finger on gets eliminated. have you ever liked/loved something and one day you're on your bed asking yourself why you loved this thing so much but you can't give a coherent answer? "I just love her, everything about her, its unconditional" is just the person not really knowing the condition, sometimes the condition might actually be looks or wealth or something else but the person doesn't "know" and can't say it so it appears "unconditional" and believe me the person saying that might actually mean it! he isn't lying

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Family / Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 6:33pm On May 18, 2018
PrecisionFx:



There are women who will love u unconditionally. It's safe for u to say u haven't met one, Not that they don't exist.

There are women who are in a relationship because of attraction n nothing more. They can stay 3 years wit u even though u don't have anything. Poverty has really structured a lot of women in our society to take finances as the singular reason to stay in or leave a relationship or marriage.

you still don't get it sir. a love based on look is conditional, a love not based on look is based on some form of condition or another even if the person doing the loving can't really put his/her finger on what makes him/her love the other so much and in such a situation once the unknown "condition" leaves the love leaves or another condition replaces that condition. this unconditional love of a thing makes sense only on the surface but deep thoughts show its simply empty words

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Family / Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 5:28pm On May 18, 2018
Miggs:
The packaging and marketing of romanticism across the world by businesses selling vacations,jewelleries,perfumes,movies etc has led to the over-use and belief in the non-existent "unconditional love" mantra by many people

aptly put sir

Meaningless words gain traction and people start thinking its meaningful. "Unconditional Love" what does that even mean? that we're able to string words together doesn't make them exist in reality after all Unicorns have a definition doesn't mean they exist

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Family / Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 4:17pm On May 18, 2018
cruchenutii:

There is Bro. And he is right about Africa
Give me a single example of a love that's unconditional

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Family / Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 4:17pm On May 18, 2018
cruchenutii:

There is Bro. And he is right about Africa
Give me a single example of a love that's unconditional

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Family / Re: 60% Of Married Women Don’t Love Their Husbands- Lady Says, See Response by jFrankNorfleet: 3:47pm On May 18, 2018
donstan18:
Fact is; Unconditional LOVE doesn't exist in African marriages, so i'll say most partners don't love themselves.



I hate it when people put down Africa to make a point about something that's the same the world over

There's NO such thing as UNCONDITIONAL LOVE anywhere in the world. people can only lie to themselves that they have unconditional love for someone else but some basic conditions have been met by proxy like a mother's love for a child would appear unconditional unconditional but she couldn't have loved the child the same way if the child belonged to another person. even Christians that scream Jesus loves them unconditionally still says you need to draw closer to Jesus to activate that love which is actually a "condition"


Unconditional love is simply empty words

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Religion / Re: What Is Life? by jFrankNorfleet: 2:11pm On May 18, 2018
edicied:
And I wonder if they'll laugh when I'm dead?
Why am I fighting to live if I'm just living to fight?
Why am I trying to see when there ain't nothing in sight?
Why am I trying to give when no one gives me a try?
Why am I dying to live if I'm just living to die? - Running

Runnin' sampled that line. if you're interested the original was sang by Edgar Winter and the title is "Dying to Live"
Religion / Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by jFrankNorfleet: 1:25pm On May 18, 2018
Anas09:

Hmmmm.

I watched a video (Real Life) of a girl who submitted her speech for screening or editing before the D day (the school authority needed to make sure she won't mention Jesus, it was against the rules as the financiers were atheists. They didn't want Jesus getting mention in a school they sponsored). The Girl said nothing, on the D day, she pulled out her original speech instead of the edited one and began reading, the Mike was disconnected and she was silenced. The mike didn't come altho she read her speech to the end, but was not heard.

Lying for Jesus is a hobby for Christians

a. They were not against their mentioning "Jesus", they were against people bringing their religious beliefs into it so whatever speech is to be given has to be "Religiously-Neutral", making this about Jesus is implying Mohammed, Sango, Buddha etc is allowed while Jesus is not which isn't the case at all. I know you guys have victim complex and see persecution in everything but this isn't the case

b. financiers of Lewis-Palmer High School weren't atheists, the school is a public school and one of the best Public Schools in Colorado. Do you have any proof Lewis-Palmer High is sponsored by atheists or you made that up like Christians are fond of doing?
What prevents the girl from mentioning Jesus is what would prevent Budaatum from saying "Jesus is imaginary and Allah is fake, There's no Hell or heaven, no god anywhere" maybe the atheists should also claim persecution for not being able to bring their antireligious views into graduation speeches

c. Mike wasn't disconnected, she said everything she wanted to within the 60 seconds allotted time and left the stage as planned, None of her speech was "Edited". what she did was dubiously submit a religiously neutral speech and read a religiously biased one. No one edited the original speech and even she owed up to the dubiousness when she was challenged


I know you can't stop lying for Jesus but at least tone your lies down a lil bit

CC: Budaatum

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Religion / Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by jFrankNorfleet: 11:14pm On Mar 26, 2018
Emmanystone:

Link to resdit? www readit.com.
link to the reddit thread where you read how atheists admitted to their misery. where Not even a single one said s/he is free from depression. where Some want to just commit suicide fearing a very dangerous disease may torment them in future.

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Religion / Re: What Is The Simplest Meaning Of Life? by jFrankNorfleet: 3:50pm On Mar 26, 2018
Emmanystone:
. I went to reddit and read how atheists admits to their misery. No single one is free from depression. Some want to just commit suicide fearing a very dangerous disease may torment them in future.
Links please

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Religion / Re: "Respect other People's Belief" Is Arguably The Most Hypocritical Statement Ever by jFrankNorfleet: 1:28pm On Mar 21, 2018
nice one

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