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Christianity EtcRe: Which Jesus Do You Believe (concerning Atonement)? by jiggaz(m): 8:30pm On Jan 02, 2018
Ferisidowu:
thanks brother God bless....
you welcome
Christianity EtcRe: Which Jesus Do You Believe (concerning Atonement)? by jiggaz(m): 8:22pm On Jan 02, 2018
Ferisidowu:
Of course we know that there are various gospel, even a different Jesus, not that there's another, just that some have perverted his mission on Earth.

Below are various theories concerning Christ's mission on Earth, may God allow us understand (AMEN)

"What are the various theories on the atonement?"


: Throughout church history, several different views of the atonement, some true and some false, have been put forth by different individuals or denominations. One of the reasons for the various views is that both the Old and New Testaments reveal many truths about Christ’s atonement, making it hard, if not impossible, to find any single “theory” [b](with God all things are possible )[/b]that fully encapsulates or explains the richness of the atonement. What we discover as we study the Scriptures is a rich and multifaceted picture of the atonement as the Bible puts forth many interrelated truths concerning the redemption that Christ has accomplished. Another contributing factor to the many different theories of the atonement is that much of what we can learn about the atonement needs to be understood from the experience and perspective of God’s people under the Old Covenant sacrificial system.
The atonement of Christ, its purpose and what it accomplished, is such a rich subject that volumes have been written about it. This article will simply provide a brief overview of many of the theories that have been put forward at one time or another. In looking at the different views of the atonement, we must remember that any view that does not recognize the sinfulness of man or the substitutionary nature of the atonement is deficient at best and heretical at worst.


Some say it's Ransom to Satan: This view sees the atonement of Christ as a ransom paid to Satan to purchase man’s freedom and release him from being enslaved to Satan. (This is also refuted by understanding God's sovereignty) It is based on a belief that man’s spiritual condition is bondage to Satan and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to secure God’s victory over Satan. This theory has little, if any, scriptural support and has had few supporters throughout church history. It is unbiblical in that it sees Satan, rather than God, as the one who required that a payment be made for sin. Thus, it completely ignores the demands of God’s justice as seen throughout Scripture. It also has a higher view of Satan than it should and views him as having more power than he really does. There is no scriptural support for the idea that sinners owe anything to Satan, but throughout Scripture we see that God is the One who requires a payment for sin.

Recapitulation Theory: This theory states that the atonement of Christ has reversed the course of mankind from disobedience to obedience. It believes that Christ’s life recapitulated all the stages of human life and in doing so reversed the course of disobedience initiated by Adam. This theory cannot be supported scripturally.

Dramatic Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as securing the victory in a divine conflict between good and evil and winning man’s release from bondage to Satan. The meaning of Christ’s death was to ensure God’s victory over Satan and to provide a way to redeem the world out of its bondage to evil.

Mystical Theory: The mystical theory sees the atonement of Christ as a triumph over His own sinful nature through the power of the Holy Spirit. Those who hold this view believe that knowledge of this will mystically influence man and awake his “god-consciousness.” They also believe that man’s spiritual condition is not the result of sin but simply a lack of “god-consciousness.” Clearly, this is unbiblical. To believe this, one must believe that Christ had a sin nature, while Scripture is clear that Jesus was the perfect God-man, sinless in every aspect of His nature (Hebrews 4:15).


Moral Influence Theory:
This is the belief that the atonement of Christ is a demonstration of God’s love which causes man’s heart to soften and repent. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually sick and in need of help and that man is moved to accept God’s forgiveness by seeing God’s love for man. They believe that the purpose and meaning of Christ’s death was to demonstrate God’s love toward man. While it is true that Christ’s atonement is the ultimate example of the love of God, this view is unbiblical because it denies the true spiritual condition of man—dead in transgressions and sins (Ephesians 2:1)—and denies that God actually requires a payment for sin. This view of Christ’s atonement leaves mankind without a true sacrifice or payment for sin.


Example Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as simply providing an example of faith and obedience to inspire man to be obedient to God. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually alive and that Christ’s life and atonement were simply an example of true faith and obedience and should serve as inspiration to men to live a similar life of faith and obedience. This and the moral influence theory are similar in that they both deny that God’s justice actually requires payment for sin and that Christ’s death on the cross was that payment. The main difference between the moral influence theory and the example theory is that the moral influence theory says that Christ’s death teaches us how much God loves us and the example theory says that Christ’s death teaches how to live. Of course, it is true that Christ is an example for us to follow, even in His death, but the example theory fails to recognize man’s true spiritual condition and that God’s justice requires payment for sin which man is not capable of paying.


Commercial Theory: The commercial theory views the atonement of Christ as bringing infinite honor to God. This resulted in God giving Christ a reward which He did not need, and Christ passed that reward on to man. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is that of dishonoring God and so Christ’s death, which brought infinite honor to God, can be applied to sinners for salvation. This theory, like many of the others, denies the true spiritual state of unregenerate sinners and their need of a completely new nature, available only in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). Really funny doctrine

Governmental Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as demonstrating God’s high regard for His law and His attitude toward sin. It is through Christ’s death that God has a reason to forgive the sins of those who repent and accept Christ’s substitutionary death. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is as one who has violated God’s moral law and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to be a substitute for the penalty of sin. Because Christ paid the penalty for sin, it is possible for God to legally forgive those who accept Christ as their substitute. This view falls short in that it does not teach that Christ actually paid the penalty of the actual sins of any people, but instead His suffering simply showed mankind that God’s laws were broken and that some penalty was paid.


Penal Substitution Theory: This theory sees the atonement of Christ as being a vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice that satisfied the demands of God’s justice upon sin. With His sacrifice, Christ paid the penalty of man’s sin, bringing forgiveness, imputing righteousness, and reconciling man to God. Those who hold this view believe that every aspect of man—his mind, will, and emotions—have been corrupted by sin and that man is totally depraved and spiritually dead. This view holds that Christ’s death paid the penalty for sin and that through faith man can accept Christ’s substitution as payment for sin. This view of the atonement aligns most accurately with Scripture in its view of sin, the nature of man, and the results of the death of Christ on the cross.


Recommended Resource: The Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Enns
Justification by an imputed righteousness by John Bunyan
Very nice write up...
Christianity EtcRe: My Grace Testimony : Recurring Nightmare Stopped, Enjoying Absolute Peace by jiggaz(op): 7:24pm On Jan 02, 2018
Hello
Christianity EtcRe: My Grace Testimony : Recurring Nightmare Stopped, Enjoying Absolute Peace by jiggaz(op): 10:17am On Jan 02, 2018
The testimony is longer than this but i have to summarize it.... Listening to the true Gospel of Christ set me free. I have been to so many deliverance places for freedom. Even white garment churches but the Gospel of Grace did it only in one month!! Praise Jesus!!

Christ have been faithful to me.... During those days of seeking for freedom, i sometimes see wild animal sleeping beside me on the bed at night. The white garment church even got me entagled with water spirits in the dream. Those days, i see dem beautiful Indian girls coming to make love to me in the dream.... And so many other things.... Spirit of death was following me everywhere. Couldn't sleep well at night, terrible nightmares where hired assassins will be pursuing me in the dream!! Sometimes i dread to sleep. Thank God its all over today!!

That's why i carry the Gospel of Grace for head here on Nairaland!! I want people to be free!! The Gospel is the power of God unto your Salvation!! ( which includes Wholeness, Peace, Provision, Deliverance, Preservation) .

I thank God for bringing Pastor Joseph Prince my way... All glory to Christ Jesus my Lord!! I can't wait to meet my Lord on the day of Rapture!!
Christianity EtcMy Grace Testimony : Recurring Nightmare Stopped, Enjoying Absolute Peace by jiggaz(op): 10:05am On Jan 02, 2018
This is my own personal testimony after getting my deliverance by listening to the Gospel of Grace by Pastor Joseph Prince in 2015. I sent the testimony to his ministry's website and they published it after some months due to large volumes of testimonies coming in from all over the world!! Praise Jesus!!!


I had been having nightmares since I was a child. In those nightmares, I would be shot, pursued by armed military men, and chased by wild dogs, but God would always deliver me. These nightmares kept recurring for years and it was even foretold to me that I would meet with sudden death.

A few years ago, my elder sister gave me a number of video sermons by Pastor Prince. I watched them and was awed! I started meditating on the Father’s love for me, Jesus’ finished work on the cross, and my identity in Christ. I also studied the truths in the sermons for a month.

Soon, the demonic nightmares stopped completely! And for two years now, I’ve not had them. The gospel of grace has totally delivered me. I am free indeed!

I’m also no longer weighed down by condemnation and I’m enjoying absolute peace in my life. I’ve learned that the Christian life is all about resting in the finished work of Jesus. This gives me a confident expectation of good for my future. Praise the Lord!

Thank you so much, Pastor Prince, for preaching the wonderful gospel of Christ. Your sermons are all over the world and here in Nigeria, so many people are blessed by your television program. All glory to God and our Lord Jesus Christ!

Anonymous
Nigeria
https://www.josephprince.org/blog/praise-reports/recurring-nightmares-stopped-completely-enjoying-absolute-peace
Christianity EtcRe: Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus : Five Reasons To Thank Him - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 8:05am On Jan 02, 2018
jiggaz:
Morning
Hoi
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens To Christians Who Stray? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 8:04am On Jan 02, 2018
Hey
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Scourge Us? 7 Reasons To Say No!! - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 8:01am On Jan 02, 2018
Morning
Christianity EtcRe: How Does Faith Establish The Law? ( Romans 3:31 ) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 8:00am On Jan 02, 2018
Morning
Christianity EtcRe: 9 Facts About Heaven That Will Surprise You - Randy Alcorn by jiggaz(op): 3:59pm On Jan 01, 2018
Pidggin:
Great thread and factual too. OP you have made my day
Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Speak God's Word And Activate His Angels - Joseph Prince by jiggaz(op): 12:16pm On Jan 01, 2018
jiggaz:
Noted
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Christianity EtcRe: The Power Of The Holy Communion - Joseph Prince by jiggaz(op): 12:15pm On Jan 01, 2018
jiggaz:
noted....
Christianity EtcRe: The Positive Ministry Of The Holy Spirit - Andrew Wommack by jiggaz(op): 12:14pm On Jan 01, 2018
Hoi
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Law Written In Our Hearts? - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 12:11pm On Jan 01, 2018
Morning
Christianity EtcRe: An Open Letter To Hot Blooded Young Men - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:43am On Jan 01, 2018
Happy new year
Christianity EtcRe: Are You Lukewarm? Take The Test - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:43am On Jan 01, 2018
Morning...
Christianity EtcRe: Religious Gangsters ( Matthew 7:21-23) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:42am On Jan 01, 2018
Morning
Christianity EtcRe: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by jiggaz(m): 6:38am On Jan 01, 2018
Julivas:
Glory be to God Almighty for what HE has done, doing and will still do in our lives. It is indeed a wonderful privilege to see the end of the year 2017.

I'm using this medium to thank our esteem readers and participaants for making the year 2017 an interesting one. Thanks so much. Trust that we shall do better in this new year 2018.

I'm also using this opportunity to call out on all Christians faithful to let us work together in this year to make this thread live up to expectation. It's a Christian chat box,  let's really have things to chat about that will uplift our souls and edify our spirits. In addition,  we can bring up chat that will bless us mentally,  physically, emotionally and in other aspects of life , with eternity in the kingdom of God in view.

Wishing us all prosperous and fulfilled new year  2018

Shalom.

cc. Msngo40, Humbledbygrace, Victorotex,  Olaadegbu An2elect2, Goshen360, jiggaz, asuustrike2009, farmtech,  5solas, Ferisidowu, 4reala and all Christians brothers and sisters out there.
Thanks... Happy New Year.
Christianity EtcRe: Laodicea : To Him Who Overcomes ( Rev. 3:21) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 11:06pm On Dec 31, 2017
Janeyinspires:
It feels good to be reminded each day,of whose DNA we carry as believers.
Sometimes,I can't help buh think that I need to fix myself,when in truth Jesus has already done it for me.No wonder scriptures says we should renew our mind daily.

Thanks jiggaz
You welcome Janey...
Christianity EtcRe: Your Every Blessing Is Found In The Person Of Jesus - Joseph Prince by jiggaz(op): 8:30pm On Dec 31, 2017
2018
Christianity EtcRe: An Open Letter To Hot Blooded Young Men - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 8:29pm On Dec 31, 2017
Happy 2018
Christianity EtcRe: The Good News Revolution!! - Steve Edwards by jiggaz(op): 8:29pm On Dec 31, 2017
Happy New year...
Christianity EtcRe: How Does Faith Establish The Law? ( Romans 3:31 ) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 8:28pm On Dec 31, 2017
Hello
Christianity EtcRe: 9 Facts About Heaven That Will Surprise You - Randy Alcorn by jiggaz(op): 8:26pm On Dec 31, 2017
atheist5:
look at enlightened souls, mehh Nigerian may not be bad after,not everybody follows superstition,am quite glad alright
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Christianity EtcRe: Testimony From India: Delivered From Porn, Long Term Sexual Addiction In 2 Weeks by jiggaz(op): 8:24pm On Dec 31, 2017
philipstanley:
Joseph Prince ministry really changed me
Yes... He teaches the truth without fear.... I thank God for your life.
Christianity EtcRe: Laodicea : To Him Who Overcomes ( Rev. 3:21) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:17pm On Dec 31, 2017
jiggaz:
evening
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Christianity EtcRe: Religious Gangsters ( Matthew 7:21-23) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:16pm On Dec 31, 2017
jiggaz:
evening....
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Understand In Romans 8:33 by jiggaz(m): 6:14pm On Dec 31, 2017
5solas:
grin grin Praise the Lord!
cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Are You Lukewarm? Take The Test - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:07pm On Dec 31, 2017
Xxxxx
Christianity EtcRe: How Does Faith Establish The Law? ( Romans 3:31 ) - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 6:06pm On Dec 31, 2017
Evening
Christianity EtcRe: 9 Facts About Heaven That Will Surprise You - Randy Alcorn by jiggaz(op): 5:48pm On Dec 31, 2017
Harmored:
Nice one jiggaz but about that number 7 the flesh will not be going to heaven only the soul, how do we identify a person by the soul, it's only the flesh we can use to identity people on earth and the flesh will get old, I'm just Curious in heaven will you there be old people? Or Young ones or even babies? Or it's just the soul and if it's just the soul how do you identify
Thank u Harmored ... Yes in heaven, you can identify someone you knew before on earth. The people in heaven now only have their spirit and they are waiting for their glorified body which they will get on the day of the rapture.

Yes you can identify the soul. In your dreams, you are able to identify people you knew before right? And in the dream world, its the soul you see, not the physical body. One thing you have to understand is that, in the spirit realm, the spirit / soul of somebody is the same as that person's physical body. So people in heaven with their spirits do identify each other.

And in heaven, there are no old people. God is not old, Jesus is not old and the angels don't get old either. Old age came about as a result of the fall of Adam in the garden of Eden. God's plan from the beginning is for us to be forever young and forever strong!! Yes there are babies in heaven but they still grow to full adults.

As for the peeps talking about boredom in heaven, there's nothing like that. Boredom came about as a result of the fall of Adam in the garden of Eden. All the evil in this life is as a result of the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden. Adam and Eve were never bored in the garden. And their mind was very sharp and they were extremely beautiful!!! But we the believers in Christ are greater than Adam and Eve because what Christ Jesus accomplished for us on the cross through Redemption is greater than what Adam was in the garden through Creation.

Heaven is going to be amazing more than you can ever imagine!! Believers in Christ are in for an amazing destiny!! Our future is really really really greaaaaatttt!! And it's all about what Christ Jesus achieved for us at the Cross!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Can Salvation Be Lost? Let's See : Hebrews 6:4-6 - Paul Ellis by jiggaz(op): 7:14am On Dec 31, 2017
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